Burger King charging for water
michael
water.
Well, it's bottled water, but they refuse to give out cups of water any
more, so if you want water, you have to pay 92 cents for it. Is this a new
nationwide Burger King policy, or is this just one local store trying to rip
people off?
curious
I used to know this guy who would bypass the whole
soda buying at BKs. He would simply keep his
BK soda cup that he bought there a day or 2 before
and refill the cup as if he just bought it. Kind
of unethical though.
Chic...@witty.com
wrote:
Contact the local health agencies and restaurant associations. In
many places, it is illegal to provide food without providing free
water. The water can be from a fountain and not a cup.
More likely, if the store has had shrinkage problems, the management
is doing a hard inventory on cups, where the cup equals the retail
price. Cups cannot be given away under such rules, but usually 2 or 4
oz courtesy or "pill" cups should be provided.
Kaydee
cents for the cup & ice but they have got wise.
( as in ,some wise ass employee trying to score brownie points with the
boss, by saying we should refuse them free water & stock bottled stuff we
can sell at a profit) (-:
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: Say it ain't so! The Burger King near my home is now charging 92 cents
:
Me
"michael" <michae...@home.com> wrote in message
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I have no idea. Since BK stopped serving edible french fries, I haven't
been in there, other than picking up an occasional sandwich via the
drive through, but even their sandwich quality has fallen. Yuck!
Mtnguy (CO)
Jim
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curious
a very happy guy. I guess the shortcuts didn't do him
much good.
"krh." wrote:
>
> On Sat, 03 Mar 2001 05:32:04 GMT, curious <cur...@home.com> wrote:
> ........
> >I used to know this guy who would bypass the whole
> >soda buying at BKs. He would simply keep his
> >BK soda cup that he bought there a day or 2 before
> >and refill the cup as if he just bought it. Kind
> >of unethical though.
>
> Unethical? More like petit larceny.
>
> krh
Don K.
The difference between the cost of soda water and tap water to BK is probably
about 15 cents. I think they would be totally justified to charge nearly
as much for iced tap water as for flavored soda water.
The policy at most fast food places is ambiguous. They don't a post a price
for tap water, either because they don't want to suggest it as an alternative
or they want to avoid the issue on a public relations standpoint.
When I ask for a water, it is usually given at no charge, but it does
make me feel like a bit of a beggar.
Don
Don K.
However it also destroyed their flavor.
Don
bluevelv
I'm such a cheapskate that I refuse to pay the buck for sugar water
(coke) any more.
On the rare occasions I am forced into fast food - I take it home. I
haven't eaten inside of one of those joints in 15 years.
bluevelv
Chic...@witty.com
based frying oil a while back. The best flavored fires are cooked in
lard, the second best are cooked in peanut oil. Canola oil is on the
bottom of the list, right down there with frying in fish oil.
Further, most fast food places undercook the fries, following only the
minimum time recommendations. Properly cooked fries almost always
have the smaller bits overdone, and are naturally crispy without any
added starch coating to improve crispness.
I remember when McDonald's changed oils, because I began feeling more
ill than normal after eating there. Canola is one of those things
that my body doesn't tolerate.
The McDonald's fries used to be from a better variety of potato than
the Burger King fries. I've no idea what either use now. The only
things I'll eat at either place is the 100% beef patties (without
anything on it, including the bread) and maybe a coke or coffee.
Everything else has been adulterated in some way. Even the grilled
chicken has added crap. Take a look at the shipping boxes sometime.
Kaydee
<Chic...@witty.com> wrote in message
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: As I remember, both McDonald's and Burger King switched to a canola
: based frying oil a while back. The best flavored fires are cooked in
: lard, the second best are cooked in peanut oil. Canola oil is on the
: bottom of the list, right down there with frying in fish oil.
:
: Further, most fast food places undercook the fries, following only the
: minimum time recommendations. Properly cooked fries almost always
: have the smaller bits overdone, and are naturally crispy without any
: added starch coating to improve crispness.
:
: I remember when McDonald's changed oils, because I began feeling more
: ill than normal after eating there. Canola is one of those things
: that my body doesn't tolerate.
:
: The McDonald's fries used to be from a better variety of potato than
: the Burger King fries. I've no idea what either use now. The only
: things I'll eat at either place is the 100% beef patties (without
: anything on it, including the bread) and maybe a coke or coffee.
: Everything else has been adulterated in some way. Even the grilled
: chicken has added crap. Take a look at the shipping boxes sometime.
started eating it I looked at the ingredients
on the box.
Every chemical additive you could imagine. I was horrified...
:
Annette M. Stroud
<that guy over there> wrote:
>As I remember, both McDonald's and Burger King switched to a canola
>based frying oil a while back. The best flavored fires are cooked in
>lard, the second best are cooked in peanut oil. Canola oil is on the
>bottom of the list, right down there with frying in fish oil.
McDonald's used tallow (beef fat) not lard.
Annette
Chic...@witty.com
but properly it should also be reserved for pork fat. Don't try to
reference this in modern dictionaries. You have to use it in 19th
century terms to get the gist of it. I totally believe that McD's
used beef fat, as you state. My error in thinking they would use
lard, which is superior for french frying. Thanks for the correction.
.
The differences in fat definitions has become muddied.
Ray L.
> The McDonald's fries used to be from a better variety of potato than
> the Burger King fries. I've no idea what either use now. The only
> things I'll eat at either place is the 100% beef patties (without
> anything on it, including the bread) and maybe a coke or coffee.
> Everything else has been adulterated in some way. Even the grilled
> chicken has added crap. Take a look at the shipping boxes sometime.
>
That's an interesting coincidence. The very last thing I ever ate
from a McDonald's was the beef patties
without the buns. I asked for a hamburger, hold the
cheese, hold the condiments, hold the buns.
NO SPAAAAAAM
> is doing a hard inventory on cups, where the cup equals the retail
> price. Cups cannot be given away under such rules, but usually 2 or 4
> oz courtesy or "pill" cups should be provided.
>
You are right the cost of cups have sky rocketed and is hurting a lot of
food services.
Melinda Meahan
businesses have cups with names of soft drinks of them that are some type of
cooperative advertising deal, and they have to pay the soft drink company for
each cup that is used, so they have to charge for the cup.
Again, though, I have no idea if this is the problem in this case.
michael wrote:
> Well, it's bottled water, but they refuse to give out cups of water any
> more, so if you want water, you have to pay 92 cents for it. Is this a new
> nationwide Burger King policy, or is this just one local store trying to rip
> people off?
--
I know God will not give me anything I can't handle.
I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. - Mother Teresa
curious
Melinda Meahan wrote:
>
> I haven't been to Burger Kong <deliberate typo> in ages, but I know that some
> businesses have cups with names of soft drinks of them that are some type of
> cooperative advertising deal, and they have to pay the soft drink company for
> each cup that is used, so they have to charge for the cup.
>
> Again, though, I have no idea if this is the problem in this case.
>
> michael wrote:
>
I'm gettin kind of silly here, but here goes:
In this era of 'subsidy' advertising (i.e. companies paying you
to have their logo on your car, etc.) I'm waiting for a reality
tv show to go over the edge. Like a having a guy going through
some tragedy like a divorce or some such, with a gaudy tatoo
of Tylenol on his shaven head. But I'm sure that even this would
eventually be too mundane.
Marty
C. Jones
<cas...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> .
Excuse me? I think I missed your point.
quan...@webtv.net
had to pay for water you at least should get a couple lemon slices. That
way you could have lemonaid. Since we're not big soda drinkers, I always
get water with a couple of lemon slices when we go out to eat.
Q2
o^=o _ _
Jaeger T. Cat
"Rip off"? It's a free market. If you don't like it, don't
go there. You're not entitled to free water there, any more than
you're entitled to a free meal.
Cindy Hoogerwerf
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>
> "Rip off"? It's a free market. If you don't like it, don't
> go there. You're not entitled to free water there, any more than
> you're entitled to a free meal.
>
Great point! Besides it is not the water you are paying for. It is the
overhead and cost of providing the water! Do you think rent and help is
free? How do you think the person serving the water gets paid?
LEACH!
Susan
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> > .
>
What chocolate pies?
Mike
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It must be a regional thing. I don't recall seeing any chocolate pies at
the BK's in my neck of the woods. However, their baklava is excellent.
Chic...@witty.com
>noted above, using a restroom or asking for drinking water and a cup,
>especially without buying something while on premises, is a service
>the company provides as they see fit.
Nope. The usual state laws are quite specific. If you serve food,
you must provide (tap) water and restroom facilities. If you don't,
you lose your license to serve food, end of story. Street vendors and
restaurants in mall courts with common restrooms are about the only
exception to the rules. Anyone who has had any connection with
starting a restaurant or other establishment serving food knows this.
Gerald Clough
Shouldn't that be qualified to "must provide...for your customers"? I
suppose there could be some place where you would be required to provide
for the public at large (tourist areas?), but certainly here, you need
not admit anyone to the premises whom you don't want there, and you can
show anyone the door for any reason, unlawful discrimination excepted.
But yes, for all the obvious reasons, you must provide a restroom, and
it must have water, including hot water, but here the state specifies
that for workers. The requirement for customer facilities is, so far as
I can see in state regulations, left up to the local government rules,
and I find nothing at the state level requiring that you serve free
water, not do I imagine many cities require that.
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"Nothing has any value unless you know you can give it up."
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pcha
Is this going forward or a repeat of the past?
I remember as a child going to restrooms in department stores and
putting a nickle in the slot to open the stall. There was a matron at
the door. I never tipped her, if I remember correctly, though I suppose
I was supposed to.
Cindy Hoogerwerf
rooms? Yes, as a kid I remember my mother telling to crawl underneath and
go.
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Chic...@witty.com
>Shouldn't that be qualified to "must provide...for your customers"? I
Yes. You are correct.
>suppose there could be some place where you would be required to provide
>for the public at large (tourist areas?), but certainly here, you need
>not admit anyone to the premises whom you don't want there, and you can
>show anyone the door for any reason, unlawful discrimination excepted.
>But yes, for all the obvious reasons, you must provide a restroom, and
>it must have water, including hot water, but here the state specifies
>that for workers.
Also correct. Many times customer restrooms are not required to have
hot water, but they must have running water, which technically fits
the requirement of providing water for free.
>The requirement for customer facilities is, so far as
>I can see in state regulations, left up to the local government rules,
>and I find nothing at the state level requiring that you serve free
>water, not do I imagine many cities require that.
I'm having a difficult time trying to access the applicable codes on
the web. I can't prove one way or the other.
RE: Pay toilets. Yes, I remember them. They were usually broken, and
I think they were banned in many areas. In any event, the cost of
repairs to the doors and mechanisms must have caused many places to
convert to free toilets.
JoelnCaryn
>
>suppose there could be some place where you would be required to provide
Arizona. All residents of Arizona, IIRC from my classes, are required to give
anyone who asks for one a drink of water. Stranger knocks on your door and
asks for water, you gotta give it to him. (You are not required to open your
door, however.)
I'm pretty sure this law dates back to the late 1800s, but it's been a long
time since I studied ARS. I'm also pretty sure that few new residents are
aware of it.
--
Caryn
Amy Bridger
tapped out in a desperate attempt to summon help:
>Arizona. All residents of Arizona, IIRC from my classes, are required to give
>anyone who asks for one a drink of water. Stranger knocks on your door and
>asks for water, you gotta give it to him. (You are not required to open your
>door, however.)
How do you give him the water without opening the door? O_o
--
Amy Bridger (a...@full-moon.com)
I am in AUSTRALIA
Be yourself. Who else is better qualified?
Derek R. Larson
<that guy over there> wrote:
>wrote:
>
>>Say it ain't so! The Burger King near my home is now charging 92 cents for
>>water.
>>
>>Well, it's bottled water, but they refuse to give out cups of water any
>>more, so if you want water, you have to pay 92 cents for it. Is this a new
>>nationwide Burger King policy, or is this just one local store trying to rip
>>people off?
>>
>
>many places, it is illegal to provide food without providing free
>water. The water can be from a fountain and not a cup.
I always order tap water at fast food places, and did so at BK Saturday
night. THey gave me a large soda cup at no charge; most use smaller cups
for H2O, so small that I sometimes order two. :)
If they actually charge $.92 for water with no alternative, I'd never go
there again.
-drl
--
________________________________________________________________________
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"Let me go on record as stating that Mountain Dew, although a refreshing
and enjoyable beverage, is NOT A CONTRACEPTIVE." -Ann Landers
curious
have had when "nature calls." Politely asking the local
Dairy Mart (or whereever) attendant, "May I use your
restroom?" They smuggly reply, "We don't have a restroom."
Then I wonder sarcastically, where do they go? in the parking
lot? So then I gotta limp into the car to find a place.
Arghhh!
GREEN MONSTER
drink, I for one am leary of opening my door for anyone I dont know. Dont
even open for some I DO know, if they came over unannounced and univited...
JoelnCaryn <joeln...@aol.comfortable> wrote in message
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GREEN MONSTER
krh. <ken97...@eudoramail.com> wrote in message
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> On 05 Mar 2001 05:07:13 GMT, joeln...@aol.comfortable (JoelnCaryn)
> wrote:
>
> .......
> >Arizona. All residents of Arizona....are required to give
> >anyone who asks for one a drink of water. Stranger knocks on your door
and
> >asks for water, you gotta give it to him. (You are not required to open
your
> >door, however.)
> >
> >I'm pretty sure this law dates back to the late 1800s, but it's been a
long
> >time since I studied ARS. I'm also pretty sure that few new residents
are
> >aware of it.
>
>
> I doubt the women of Massachusetts are aware they must wear a bathing
> suit when they take a bath. I believe NY requires women to wear
> petticoats underneath their dresses. <g>
>
> krh
>
David J. Greenberger
Outside cities (and sometimes inside them as well), gas stations almost
always have public restrooms and rarely mind making them available even
to non-customers. Sometimes they're not as clean as I'd like, but
beggars can't be choosers.
(I know this doesn't help if you're nowhere near a gas station.)
If you happen to be walking around the streets of a city, I've found, at
least in NYC, that Starbucks doesn't seem to mind random people using
their restrooms. Lines can be long, though.
--
David J. Greenberger
Cheryl
up on their drinks. :(
Peace!
Peace & have a nice day! Cheryl Harrell-- A T2 diabetic Married To A T1
diabetic...
Personal Quote: "The best thing you can do for your diabetes is to always keep
your faith in Jesus no matter what".. By: My folksinger friend ADG
Victoria A. McDonnell
We had to say this in the store I worked in. We had a restroom, when we
said we don't have one we meant for customers to use, but we can't say
"we have one, but not for you". There was a public restroom in the mall
where our store was and the problem is most of the time that the
bathroom is in the back of a place where insurance policies don't cover
accidents to non employees. We stored cleaning suplies and other stuff
in there that could be digested or tripped on and someone could sue the
company and it wasn't covered under the accident policy that is covers
the rest of the front of the store.
--
Victoria A. McDonnell
http://vmcdonnell.net
h. +353 (91) 589-930
m. +353 (86) 824-9010
"Hell hath no fury like that of a woman scorned"
~^Johnny^~
<ken97...@eudoramail.com> did apparently write:
>On 05 Mar 2001 05:07:13 GMT, joeln...@aol.comfortable (JoelnCaryn)
>wrote:
>
>.......
>>Arizona. All residents of Arizona....are required to give
>>anyone who asks for one a drink of water. Stranger knocks on your door and
>>asks for water, you gotta give it to him. (You are not required to open your
>>door, however.)
>>
>>I'm pretty sure this law dates back to the late 1800s, but it's been a long
>>time since I studied ARS. I'm also pretty sure that few new residents are
>>aware of it.
>
>
>I doubt the women of Massachusetts are aware they must wear a bathing
>suit when they take a bath. I believe NY requires women to wear
>petticoats underneath their dresses. <g>
There is still a law on the books in Los Angeles which requires a
housewife to boil her dishrag.
--
-john
none
*** In the Texas Statues, there is no such crime as "rape". And
it is perfectly legal to make love to a goat PROVIDING that it
doesn't offend anyone.......
from Dallas
Charles A Lieberman
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>I bought my neice a wedge of chocolate pie at B.K a while back & when she
>started eating it I looked at the ingredients
>on the box.
>Every chemical additive you could imagine. I was horrified...
It's not a gourmet restaurant. The important elements for the menu are
shelf life, ease of preparation, and consistency. Chemicals work better
than real food on all those counts.
I stopped eating hamburgers at McDonald's when I looked at a patty and
it looked like it could have been squeezed from a tube.
--
Charles A. Lieberman | Taylor, you can't love a man with no head!
Brooklyn, New York, USA |
http://calieber.tripod.com/home.html No relation.
Charles A Lieberman
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>I totally believe that McD's
>used beef fat, as you state. My error in thinking they would use
>lard, which is superior for french frying.
Piss-poor for keeping their kosher cert, though
Chic...@witty.com
wrote:
>*** In the Texas Statues, there is no such crime as "rape". And
>it is perfectly legal to make love to a goat PROVIDING that it
>doesn't offend anyone.......
That certainly explains a lot about where Texans come from... :-)
Chic...@witty.com
<vmcdo...@vmcdonnell.net> wrote:
>We stored cleaning suplies and other stuff
>in there that could be digested or tripped on
Stunning. First I thought about that being an interesting way to
describe packaged food, then I saw the pun "tripped."
You make the restroom sound fascinating. Huge box lunches, edible
cleaning supplies, and drugs. I'm sure quite a few teens would like
to call such a place "home."
David J. Greenberger
> *** In the Texas Statues, there is no such crime as "rape". And it is
> perfectly legal to make love to a goat PROVIDING that it doesn't
> offend anyone.......
First make sure it doesn't offend the goat.
--
David J. Greenberger
Victoria A. McDonnell
> Stunning. First I thought about that being an interesting way to
> describe packaged food, then I saw the pun "tripped."
>
> You make the restroom sound fascinating. Huge box lunches, edible
> cleaning supplies, and drugs. I'm sure quite a few teens would like
> to call such a place "home."
>
Um, no, really, no pun there, I meant extra mannequins and boxes, as for
ingesting things, we stored cleaing chemicals in there, and
unfortunetly, people are stupid enough nowadays to drink something just
to sue someone for millions and claim "it didn't say on a sign outside
the door I couldn drink anything in there.." our insurance didn't cover
that area of the store for customers so they weren't allowed back
there. There was a restroom only about a 2 minute walk from our store
though.
Chic...@witty.com
wrote:
>I don't understand all the discussion about private rest rooms. Many
>places have public rest rooms, but those that don't do in fact have
>private ones. And, no law requires the establishment to make it
>available to the public. It's the proprietors choice.
As it is our choice to pee in the lobby, which I did at a theatre
many, many years ago. When you are five and someone says they don't
have a restroom, and your parents said "don't leave the theatre"
choices are limited.
Mike
<Chic...@witty.com> wrote in message
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> As it is our choice to pee in the lobby, which I did at a theatre
> many, many years ago. When you are five and someone says they don't
> have a restroom, and your parents said "don't leave the theatre"
> choices are limited.
Good thing you didn't have to take a dump. At least you had enough good
sense to relieve yourself, as opposed to pissing your pants. I can recall
pissing in my pants on more than one occasion, back when I was just a wee
lad. I guess my parents didn't realize that telling me to "hold it" wasn't
an effective preventative measure <But Mom, I gotta go pee-pee *now*!>
liam
> On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 15:54:57 GMT, Marty
> <cas...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >> .
>
>
> Excuse me? I think I missed your point.
It was in the subject header. I guess the n/t bit meant "no Text"
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rhondatipton
>
> Nope. The usual state laws are quite specific. If you serve food,
> you must provide (tap) water and restroom facilities. If you don't,
> you lose your license to serve food, end of story. Street vendors and
> restaurants in mall courts with common restrooms are about the only
> exception to the rules. Anyone who has had any connection with
> starting a restaurant or other establishment serving food knows this.
>
of charge. Restaurants are only required to have restrooms available to
customers if they have more than 30 chairs. So places that are primarily
take out but have a few tables do not have to have restrooms available for
customer's use. Most do anyway but it is not required by law.
--
Rhonda
www.MSDollarSaver.com
rhondatipton
> >Arizona. All residents of Arizona, IIRC from my classes, are required
to give
> >anyone who asks for one a drink of water. Stranger knocks on your door
and
> >asks for water, you gotta give it to him. (You are not required to open
your
> >door, however.)
>
> How do you give him the water without opening the door? O_o
>
--
Rhonda
www.MSDollarSaver.com
Elaine Gallant
The restaurant must also pay for the building, the employees, fixtures,
power and taxes for everything and everybody in the store, in addition to
the cups. .25 is a deal.
"Matt Conrad" <mco...@alumni.indiana.edu> wrote in message
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> On 5 Mar 2001 19:03:34 GMT, drla...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Derek R.
> Larson) wrote:
>
> >I always order tap water at fast food places, and did so at BK Saturday
> >night. THey gave me a large soda cup at no charge; most use smaller cups
> >for H2O, so small that I sometimes order two. :)
>
> The Burger King near our office has special small, clear cups for
> water. This discourages people from asking for water and filling the
> cup with soda.
>
> Also, I used to work for a pizza restaurant that sells drinks in
> reusable plastic cups (I'm sure you know the place I'm talking about).
> Those cups cost over 15 cents each, so we'd charge $.25 for water. I
> think every single person who asked for water balked when I mentioned
> the charge. (Most of them paid after I explained that we were charging
> for the cup, not the water.)
>
> Matt