Cell Phone boosters or antennas
Jeff Thies
coverage is poor. Up the driveway it is fine.
Any experience with any of the cell phone boosters?
I see some are tethered to the phone, in which case an antenna would
be just as well. Some rebroadcast both ways. I'd like to spend less than
$200, but you know how that goes!
I'm halfway thinking of a Pringles can (or some such waveguide
antenna) facing the tower, but elevated, connected to a half (or quarter
if there is a ground plane) wave dipole. Seems like the can would have a
ton of gain. Crazy?
Jeff
Rod Speed
> The rental house is on the downside of a hill and the cellphone coverage is poor. Up the driveway it is fine.
> Any experience with any of the cell phone boosters?
They arent legal in my country.
> I see some are tethered to the phone, in which case an antenna would be just as well.
Yes, those are used a lot in RVs.
You do need a cellphone that can have an antenna attached, most modern ones cant anymore.
> Some rebroadcast both ways. I'd like to spend less than $200, but you know how that goes!
> I'm halfway thinking of a Pringles can (or some such waveguide
> antenna) facing the tower, but elevated, connected to a half (or
> quarter if there is a ground plane) wave dipole. Seems like the can
> would have a ton of gain. Crazy?
Nope, it can work, but its not as easy to do as you might think.
Tony Miklos
Get yourself an old "bag phone". They have about 20 times more signal
strength. Keep the antenna away from your body.
aemeijers
And talk to what with it? All the old bag phones I have seen are analog,
which is basically gone at this point.
OP needs a cell repeater or femtocell device. He'll cry at the price,
though, even online. Google 'residential cell phone booster', figure out
correct model. and then try to find a cheaper one on ebay.
Or just get rid of the cell phone and get a real phone. After a month
you won't even miss it.
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Doug Miller
> The rental house is on the downside of a hill and the cellphone
>coverage is poor. Up the driveway it is fine.
>
> Any experience with any of the cell phone boosters?
>
> I see some are tethered to the phone, in which case an antenna would
>be just as well. Some rebroadcast both ways. I'd like to spend less than
>$200, but you know how that goes!
Talk to your cellular service provider. When I complained to Sprint about poor
signal strength in my home, they shipped me -- free of charge -- a microcell
that sends the signal via internet. Signal in my living room went from one bar
to five bars. It's been installed about two years now, and we haven't had any
trouble with it at all.
Michael B
wrote:
Or change providers. They share towers,
but there are other towers, other locations.
Malcolm Hoar
>Talk to your cellular service provider. When I complained to Sprint about poor
>signal strength in my home, they shipped me -- free of charge -- a microcell
>that sends the signal via internet. Signal in my living room went from one bar
>to five bars. It's been installed about two years now, and we haven't had any
>trouble with it at all.
You were lucky. Still, I'm glad I forked out the $150 for
an AT&T Microcell that fixed my problem with almost 0 bars
at home. I didn't have much of a choice since Verizon and
Sprint coverage are no better at this location.
I bought the thing the day it was released for public
sale and the initial performance was a bit ragged.
However, it improved dramatically over the next few
months. I assume that was due to firmware updates.
Repeaters and the like are a lot more expensive ($200-500+
with antennas and all) and the results are very hit and
miss according to the reports I studied.
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aemeijers
> In article<intfsj$nr7$1...@dont-email.me>, dougatmil...@example.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
>> Talk to your cellular service provider. When I complained to Sprint about poor
>> signal strength in my home, they shipped me -- free of charge -- a microcell
>> that sends the signal via internet. Signal in my living room went from one bar
>> to five bars. It's been installed about two years now, and we haven't had any
>> trouble with it at all.
>
> You were lucky. Still, I'm glad I forked out the $150 for
> an AT&T Microcell that fixed my problem with almost 0 bars
> at home. I didn't have much of a choice since Verizon and
> Sprint coverage are no better at this location.
>
> I bought the thing the day it was released for public
> sale and the initial performance was a bit ragged.
> However, it improved dramatically over the next few
> months. I assume that was due to firmware updates.
>
> Repeaters and the like are a lot more expensive ($200-500+
> with antennas and all) and the results are very hit and
> miss according to the reports I studied.
>
yeah, but if it is hung off your internet connection, and that goes
down, and you don't have a landline, how ya gonna call it in?
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philkryder
I have no knowledge of chip can antennas.
I have use antennaes and two of the WILSON boosters and one of the wy-
ex zboost sytems.
All of them worked. for both ATT and VERIZON 800/1900.
Remember that 4 g is coming - if that matters to you.
The antennae i used required a phone that accept an antenae.
As noted there are few of them any more.
However,
I've seen ads for inductive coupled antenaes.
I have NOT tried those.
check with Wilson for solutions. they are very helpful.
also check with Howard Forums on the net.
Remember you can only boost signal if you HAVE signal.
zero times any boost is still zero.
You may be able to run the cable up the hill to where there is signal
for the external antenae. The LMR 400 cable is expensive, but much
better than "regular" coax.
one final note,
be sure that you
Follow the instructions to make sure that the booster cannot "see" the
external antenae.
We ended up using a refridgerator to separate them. it made a huge
difference.
Rod Speed
> Jeff Thies wrote
>> The rental house is on the downside of a hill and the cellphone coverage is poor. Up the driveway it is fine.
>> Any experience with any of the cell phone boosters?
>> I see some are tethered to the phone, in which case an antenna would be just as well. Some rebroadcast both ways. I'd
>> like to spend less than $200, but you know how that goes!
>> I'm halfway thinking of a Pringles can (or some such waveguide
>> antenna) facing the tower, but elevated, connected to a half (or
>> quarter if there is a ground plane) wave dipole. Seems like the can
>> would have a ton of gain. Crazy?
> Get yourself an old "bag phone". They have about 20 times more signal strength.
The industry is pulling the plug on those AMPS phones now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Mobile_Phone_System
George
Malcolm Hoar
>
>yeah, but if it is hung off your internet connection, and that goes
>down, and you don't have a landline, how ya gonna call it in?
Drive half a mile down the road where I can make a regular
cellphone without difficulty. Or 1.5 miles where I can
park literally right under an AT&T cell tower ;-)
Yes, the Microcell is useless without IP but I'm still
better off with it than I am without it. It doesn't make
matters worse in *any* respect -- there's zero downside
(apart from the $150 purchase price).
Jeff Thies
It's mostly that I need to go up about 5 feet.
http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/cantennahowto.html
That looks like: a 4 1/4" (for 1900 mHz) can at least that long.
Perhaps a 1/4" hole 1.63" from the bottom, with 1.63" of wire sticking
both into and out of the can mounted in a bit of plex. Orient the can
vertically and point it at the nearest cellphone tower, which is visible.
Am I missing something that you know of?
Jeff
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Jeff Thies wrote
>>> The rental house is on the downside of a hill and the cellphone coverage is poor. Up the driveway it is fine.
>>> Any experience with any of the cell phone boosters?
>> They arent legal in my country.
>>> I see some are tethered to the phone, in which case an antenna would be just as well.
>> Yes, those are used a lot in RVs.
>> You do need a cellphone that can have an antenna attached, most modern ones cant anymore.
>>> Some rebroadcast both ways. I'd like to spend less than $200, but you know how that goes!
>>> I'm halfway thinking of a Pringles can (or some such waveguide
>>> antenna) facing the tower, but elevated, connected to a half (or
>>> quarter if there is a ground plane) wave dipole. Seems like the can
>>> would have a ton of gain. Crazy?
>> Nope, it can work, but its not as easy to do as you might think.
> What's the problem?
You clearly dont know much about antennas. Not that that is
a major problem if you can find a decent set of plans for one.
> It's mostly that I need to go up about 5 feet.
Whats that based on, where the driveway is ?
I still think that if your cellphone can accept and external antenna,
and most cant, that it makes a lot more sense to just buy the sort
of antenna thats designed for a car or RV instead and use that.
> http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/cantennahowto.html
> That looks like: a 4 1/4" (for 1900 mHz) can at least that long.
> Perhaps a 1/4" hole 1.63" from the bottom, with 1.63" of wire sticking
> both into and out of the can mounted in a bit of plex. Orient the can
> vertically and point it at the nearest cellphone tower, which is visible.
> Am I missing something that you know of?
Yes, thats a wifi cantenna, not a cellphone cantenna.
The frequencys are completely different.
Your original shows that you dont understand the basics with the
bit about the dipole. That cantenna doesnt use anything like that.
Corse you do need to check that your cellphone can take an external antenna first, most cant.
Jeff Thies
Yes, I know, which is why I tuned it for 1900 mHz rather than (I
believe) 2300mHz.
>
> Your original shows that you dont understand the basics with the
> bit about the dipole.
I think I have some grasp on dipoles (held an Amateur Advanced [seems
like misnomer]) at 16 and have built my share of antennas.
That a cantenna doesnt use anything like that.
The feed element is tuned to a 1/4 wave. Think of a 1/4 vertical with
the can being the ground plane, it is large enough wavelength wise.
>
> Corse you do need to check that your cellphone can take an external antenna first, most cant.
I thought you were following the passive repeater bit. What I'm
thinking is something of an improved version of this:
http://www.amazon.com/Cellet-Mount-Passive-Antenna-Repeater/dp/B000KNNKVS
Hey, if you know something about this, put in something constructive,
otherwise it's back in the virtual kill file.
Jeff
>
>
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
reams of your pig ignorant mindless **** flushed where it belong
willshak
That phone reminds me of "A Night at the Roxbury"
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In Hamptonburgh, NY
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aemeijers
My point being, that other than the fact they are used to it and/or
addicted to it, how many people really NEED a cell phone to survive,
personally or career-wise? Mine lives in my briefcase, and I turn it on
once a week to clear the wrong-number messages. I actually carry it in
my pocket and switched on, maybe 4-5 days a year, when I am traveling,
or need to meet up with some contractor or something. That is worth the
8 bucks a month to me. But 50 bucks a month or more for a smartphone?
What for? I have a computer at work, and a computer at home. I can tough
it out for the 15 minute commute. I refuse to be a cell phone zombie
wandering around the grocery store or mall or city street, hunched over
looking at a tiny screen.
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Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Jeff Thies wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Jeff Thies wrote
>>>>> The rental house is on the downside of a hill and the cellphone coverage is poor. Up the driveway it is fine.
>>>>> Any experience with any of the cell phone boosters?
>>>> They arent legal in my country.
>>>>> I see some are tethered to the phone, in which case an antenna would be just as well.
>>>> Yes, those are used a lot in RVs.
>>>> You do need a cellphone that can have an antenna attached, most modern ones cant anymore.
>>>>> Some rebroadcast both ways. I'd like to spend less than $200, but
>>>>> you know how that goes!
>>>>> I'm halfway thinking of a Pringles can (or some such waveguide
>>>>> antenna) facing the tower, but elevated, connected to a half (or
>>>>> quarter if there is a ground plane) wave dipole. Seems like the
>>>>> can would have a ton of gain. Crazy?
>>>> Nope, it can work, but its not as easy to do as you might think.
>>> What's the problem?
>> You clearly dont know much about antennas. Not that that is
>> a major problem if you can find a decent set of plans for one.
>>> It's mostly that I need to go up about 5 feet.
>> Whats that based on, where the driveway is ?
Why didnt you answer that ?
>> I still think that if your cellphone can accept and external antenna,
>> and most cant, that it makes a lot more sense to just buy the sort
>> of antenna thats designed for a car or RV instead and use that.
>>> http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/cantennahowto.html
>>> That looks like: a 4 1/4" (for 1900 mHz) can at least that long.
>>> Perhaps a 1/4" hole 1.63" from the bottom, with 1.63" of wire
>>> sticking both into and out of the can mounted in a bit of plex.
>>> Orient the can vertically and point it at the nearest cellphone
>>> tower, which is visible.
>>> Am I missing something that you know of?
>> Yes, thats a wifi cantenna, not a cellphone cantenna.
>> The frequencys are completely different.
> Yes, I know, which is why I tuned it for 1900 mHz rather than (I believe) 2300mHz.
You sure your cellphone is using 1900 ?
>> Your original shows that you dont understand the basics with the bit about the dipole.
> I think I have some grasp on dipoles (held an Amateur Advanced [seems like misnomer]) at 16 and have built my share of
> antennas.
That cantenna you posted the url for doesnt have one.
> That a cantenna doesnt use anything like that.
> The feed element is tuned to a 1/4 wave.
Its isnt a DIPOLE, its a monopole.
> Think of a 1/4 vertical with the can being the ground plane, it is large enough wavelength wise.
Its nothing like a ground plane electrically.
>> Corse you do need to check that your cellphone can take an external antenna first, most cant.
> I thought you were following the passive repeater bit. What I'm thinking is something of an improved version of this:
> http://www.amazon.com/Cellet-Mount-Passive-Antenna-Repeater/dp/B000KNNKVS
Cant see that working very well.
And how do you plan to do it with that cantenna ?
> Hey, if you know something about this, put in something
> constructive, otherwise it's back in the virtual kill file.
I dont give a flying red fuck what you do or do not choose to read.
Rod Speed
> George wrote
>> aemeijers wrote
>>> Tony Miklos wrote
>>>> Jeff Thies wrote
>>>>> The rental house is on the downside of a hill and the cellphone coverage is poor. Up the driveway it is fine.
>>>>> Any experience with any of the cell phone boosters?
>>>>> I see some are tethered to the phone, in which case an antenna
>>>>> would be just as well. Some rebroadcast both ways. I'd like to
>>>>> spend less than $200, but you know how that goes!
>>>>> I'm halfway thinking of a Pringles can (or some such waveguide
>>>>> antenna) facing the tower, but elevated, connected to a half (or
>>>>> quarter if there is a ground plane) wave dipole. Seems like the can would have a ton of gain. Crazy?
>>>> Get yourself an old "bag phone". They have about 20 times more signal strength. Keep the antenna away from your
>>>> body.
>>> And talk to what with it? All the old bag phones I have seen are analog, which is basically gone at this point.
>>> OP needs a cell repeater or femtocell device. He'll cry at the
>>> price, though, even online. Google 'residential cell phone
>>> booster', figure out correct model. and then try to find a cheaper
>>> one on ebay.
>>> Or just get rid of the cell phone and get a real phone. After a month you won't even miss it.
>> How does that work out portability wise?
> My point being, that other than the fact they are used to it and/or addicted to it, how many people really NEED a cell
> phone to survive, personally or career-wise?
It aint about survival, its about convenience.
If you do need a cellphone anyway, it may not be
worth it for HIM to pay for a fixed line phone as well
if he can make the cellphone work cheaply at home.
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
We don't have a land line. Except when I was looking for a job and during the
later move, I rarely use my cell phone but I do carry it with me when I'm out
of the house anyway.
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I dont give a flying red fuck what you do or do not choose to read.
TRANSLATION: I, the great god speed, have no ability to back up anything I post
George
Actually that sounds quaint and how folks used to use cellphones when
they cost $1/minute and had 1 hour battery life.
We don't have a landline. Everyone in my family and most of my friends
are on the same carrier so we have "free" calling.
I think cellphones have incredible utility value. Just yesterday morning
I had a two hour drive to meet someone and about ten minutes into the
ride the guy called and said he had a family emergency and needed to
reschedule. If my phone was turned off I would have wasted 4 hours of
driving. And with a smartphone I can often resolve stuff in minutes.
Also I can search stuff, look up prices, get notifications on deliveries
and handy stuff like being able to check the weather radar when we are
out cycling to decide how long we have until the storm instead of the
old days of "rain is forecast , lets ride another day"
moronsbegone
news:insi7m$nn7$1...@news.albasani.net:
This would be so much easier if one could post a PDF here but
here is a website that teaches you the same thing, What works
for Wifi WORKS for cell phones as well. I built one of these
and I can hit any unsecured Wifi spot within ten miles of my
vehicle, Oh ya this would look weird strapped on a bike? I
wouldn't recommend it. Here's the site hurry the Article is
getting ready to "Time Out".
<"http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/15/how-to-build-a-wifi-
biquad-dish-antenna/">
You can cut corners by getting a Pad antenna and using that on
the Dishes horn but the construction is pretty simple, I opted
out of the cost and built the Pad myself. Some HAMS call them
"BowTie" antennas. Others may use the term "Pressure-Zone"
what-ever.
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moronsbegone
http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/15/how-to-build-a-wifi-
biquad-dish-antenna
N8N
Really? I think that I'd miss having my cell phone, seeing as it
actually works, as opposed to the last land line that I had (which
Verizon claimed worked, and had no problem charging me for, but would
stop working if it was raining, humid, windy, etc. or even for no
discernable reason.) My monthly cell bill was cheaper than my (basic,
no long distance) land line bill too.
There's a reason that I haven't had a land line in years, and it
starts with "V" and ends in "erizon."
nate
N8N
yup yup yup
also my cellphone has free unlimited mobile-to-mobile minutes no
matter who the carrier is, and free "night and weekend" minutes so
it's a very rare call (would have to be during the day, on a weekday,
and to a land line) for which I actually get charged minutes. And I
have 450 of those a month. I don't talk on the phone nearly enough to
get to that. I finally drank the Kool-Aid and got a smart phone a
couple months ago, and it's cool as heck, but even before that, I was
cell only for about seven years just because the convenience of the
cell was great, and with high-speed internet there was no longer any
compelling reason at all to pay for a land line which pretty much
would never get used. (why would I make a LD call from a land line
and get charged for it, when I can make the same call for free from my
cell?)
And, like I said, it works, without hassle. Unlike the last THREE
times I got a land line from V*****n, about whom I don't have the
vocabulary to clearly explain to you just how badly and in how many
different ways they suck. And I am quite fluent in colloquial English
profanity.
nate
ransley
> The rental house is on the downside of a hill and the cellphone
> coverage is poor. Up the driveway it is fine.
>
> Any experience with any of the cell phone boosters?
>
> I see some are tethered to the phone, in which case an antenna would
> be just as well. Some rebroadcast both ways. I'd like to spend less than
> $200, but you know how that goes!
>
> I'm halfway thinking of a Pringles can (or some such waveguide
> antenna) facing the tower, but elevated, connected to a half (or quarter
> if there is a ground plane) wave dipole. Seems like the can would have a
> ton of gain. Crazy?
>
> Jeff
I bought a 400$ booster with dual antennas and it didnt help. Then I
got a Micro Cell and it boosted me about 3-5 bars. Att Verizon and
maybe Sprint have these. They are a trasmitter reciever and run your
cell phone over the internet. for about 150 I got the Att version. I
have no added monthly fee.
aemeijers
>(snip).
(why would I make a LD call from a land line
> and get charged for it, when I can make the same call for free from my
> cell?)
>
How are the international rates on your cell? Do dial-around services
work on them? I have wacko relatives that insist on living on the other
side of the puddle.
And why are you replying to a month-old thread?
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aemeijers
Only useful if you have a good internet connection. Not always true in
areas with lousy cell coverage, for the same reasons- no money in it for
the vendors.
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ransley
Not true, I have crap att broadband, often it can go to 400kb download
and never goes over 1.2mb download, average is 1mb down. And ATT cant
get me better service. All you need is broadband just no dialup. It
is for areas of lousy cell phone coverage, thats the point. The
vendors do sell alot of them as verizon just came out with theirs.
aemeijers
How about on a 384 DSL line, like many of us have? And that is when it
is working correctly.
Just checked. A blazing 480kb up, and 380kb down. Surprisingly good.
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sf
wrote:
I'd like to know what carrier you love at this point. We have had no
landline for the last 5 years and have been satisfied with Verizon for
10-15 years.
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sf
wrote:
> And why are you replying to a month-old thread?
That's my complaint on another, ng that generates around 400 nonspam
posts in a day, at least this is a slow news group.