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Mr. K
Nov 9, 2011, 10:37:23 AM11/9/11
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What "Goods and Services" do you enjoy in paying property taxes. Roads
"law" enforcement, a lovely court house , what else?
How can a I get more for my money?
--
Karma, What a concept!
"law" enforcement, a lovely court house , what else?
How can a I get more for my money?
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Karma, What a concept!
Bob F
Nov 9, 2011, 1:07:26 PM11/9/11
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Mr. K wrote:
> What "Goods and Services" do you enjoy in paying property taxes. Roads
> "law" enforcement, a lovely court house , what else?
> How can a I get more for my money?
You don't like roads, fire departments, police protection, water, sewer systems,
> What "Goods and Services" do you enjoy in paying property taxes. Roads
> "law" enforcement, a lovely court house , what else?
> How can a I get more for my money?
street lighting, libraries, schools.........
You could move to the paradise of Somalia.
Rod Speed
Nov 9, 2011, 9:50:47 PM11/9/11
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Mr. K wrote
> What "Goods and Services" do you enjoy in paying property taxes.
> Roads "law" enforcement, a lovely court house , what else?
Decent judicial system, schools etc if you have brats and choose to use them.
> How can a I get more for my money?
The main thing you can do is minimise what you
are paying property taxes on, 'live' in a hovel etc.
> What "Goods and Services" do you enjoy in paying property taxes.
> Roads "law" enforcement, a lovely court house , what else?
> How can a I get more for my money?
are paying property taxes on, 'live' in a hovel etc.
Mrs Irish Mike
Nov 10, 2011, 12:20:11 PM11/10/11
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that's where the real value of paying property taxes comes from. Do
you want to live in a community where all the young people are
ignorant?
EVIDENCE:
The states with the lowest property taxes are LA, AL, WV, MS, and AR.
The states with the highest property taxes are NJ, NH, CT, NY, MA.
http://efinancedirectory.com/articles/States_with_the_Highest_and_Lowest_Property_Taxes.html
Or you could do as another suggested and move to Somolia and have
your money go to support war lords and teenagers with automatic
weapons.
Mr. K
Nov 11, 2011, 7:21:10 PM11/11/11
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In article <9i0sg9...@mid.individual.net>,
I do. Well, by California standards. $1000 prop. taxes a yr.
Mr. K
Nov 11, 2011, 7:23:13 PM11/11/11
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In article
<60a63259-4385-42c4...@i13g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
I am opposed to the school system. it is a failure. Just ask any home
schooling parent.
I don't have kids, but look at what the "system" produces.
<60a63259-4385-42c4...@i13g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
schooling parent.
I don't have kids, but look at what the "system" produces.
Rod Speed
Nov 12, 2011, 1:03:04 AM11/12/11
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Mr. K wrote
> it is a failure.
Nope. Most do end up being able to read and write.
> Just ask any home schooling parent.
Hardly what you might call a completely unbiased judge of that.
> I don't have kids,
Thank christ for that.
> but look at what the "system" produces.
Look at what happens with no school system at all.
> Mrs Irish Mike <wilm...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Mr. K <george...@toast.net> wrote
>>> What "Goods and Services" do you enjoy in paying property taxes.
>>> Roads "law" enforcement, a lovely court house , what else?
>>> How can a I get more for my money?
>>> What "Goods and Services" do you enjoy in paying property taxes.
>>> Roads "law" enforcement, a lovely court house , what else?
>>> How can a I get more for my money?
>> The biggest expenditure of property tax is public school education,
>> that's where the real value of paying property taxes comes from. Do
>> you want to live in a community where all the young people are ignorant?
>> EVIDENCE:
>> The states with the lowest property taxes are LA, AL, WV, MS, and AR.
>> The states with the highest property taxes are NJ, NH, CT, NY, MA.
>> http://efinancedirectory.com/articles/States_with_the_Highest_and_Lowest_Property_Taxes.html
>> Or you could do as another suggested and move to Somolia and have
>> your money go to support war lords and teenagers with automatic weapons.
> I am opposed to the school system.
Your problem. You get to pay for it anyway unless you are prepared to 'live' under a bridge etc.
>> that's where the real value of paying property taxes comes from. Do
>> you want to live in a community where all the young people are ignorant?
>> EVIDENCE:
>> The states with the lowest property taxes are LA, AL, WV, MS, and AR.
>> The states with the highest property taxes are NJ, NH, CT, NY, MA.
>> http://efinancedirectory.com/articles/States_with_the_Highest_and_Lowest_Property_Taxes.html
>> Or you could do as another suggested and move to Somolia and have
>> your money go to support war lords and teenagers with automatic weapons.
> I am opposed to the school system.
> it is a failure.
Nope. Most do end up being able to read and write.
> Just ask any home schooling parent.
> I don't have kids,
> but look at what the "system" produces.
Mr. K
Nov 12, 2011, 10:21:19 AM11/12/11
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In article <9i6gql...@mid.individual.net>,
The ideal school system would be a little more user friendly. Herding
the kids into a "grade" because their age, has it's problems. And before
the knowledge of "learning disabilities". school was hell for some.
But, the ones who most suffer are the gifted, the artists who are bored
to distraction. One size does not fit all.
But most of the school efforts are to groom factory workers and military.
Real education begins in college. So only the elite can prosper.
I mean what does the government do right?
the kids into a "grade" because their age, has it's problems. And before
the knowledge of "learning disabilities". school was hell for some.
But, the ones who most suffer are the gifted, the artists who are bored
to distraction. One size does not fit all.
But most of the school efforts are to groom factory workers and military.
Real education begins in college. So only the elite can prosper.
I mean what does the government do right?
Rod Speed
Nov 12, 2011, 6:34:53 PM11/12/11
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Mr. K wrote
A lot more friendly in fact, particularly for the kids that dont really need
a school because they have enough initiative to do fine without them.
Thats only a small subset of kids tho.
> Herding the kids into a "grade" because their age, has it's problems.
Yes, but so do the alternatives in spades, particularly with bigger class sizes.
> And before the knowledge of "learning disabilities". school was hell for some.
It still is for some. There is no alternative for some of the more unusual kids.
Its hell on earth for the most socially inept kids and
no one has ever been able to do much about that.
Its really only the most effective schools that can be very selective
about who they employ as teachers than can really do much about
that and thats never going to be feasible for state schools, particularly
since those by definition arent going to appeal the best teachers who
can do something about that in the best schools.
> But, the ones who most suffer are the gifted, the artists who are bored to distraction.
Thats very arguable indeed. You can make a case the the most socially
inept kids who find school hell on earth for very good reasons suffer much
more and the proof of that is how many of them end up killing themselves.
> One size does not fit all.
Corse it doesnt, and the best schools dont even try to operate like that.
Doesnt mean that its actually feasible for state schools that have
to accept the everyone who chooses to use that school for their
kids tho or where the system decides which schools they attend.
> But most of the school efforts are to groom factory workers and military.
Thats never been true. Fuck all work in factorys any more in the first world
and state schools dont even bother with what the military wants anymore
and havent for a long time now, largely because the union goons that so
many of the state school teachers are hate the military system with a passion.
> Real education begins in college.
Thats wrong too, particularly with the basics.
> So only the elite can prosper.
Thats just plain wrong. Hordes of successful small business
owners have prospered without any college education.
> I mean what does the government do right?
Oh, just a few trivial things like basic education, the military, judicial system,
the cops, the fire service, operations like the CDC, NASA etc etc etc,
Mere frippery all of them.
a school because they have enough initiative to do fine without them.
Thats only a small subset of kids tho.
> Herding the kids into a "grade" because their age, has it's problems.
> And before the knowledge of "learning disabilities". school was hell for some.
Its hell on earth for the most socially inept kids and
no one has ever been able to do much about that.
Its really only the most effective schools that can be very selective
about who they employ as teachers than can really do much about
that and thats never going to be feasible for state schools, particularly
since those by definition arent going to appeal the best teachers who
can do something about that in the best schools.
> But, the ones who most suffer are the gifted, the artists who are bored to distraction.
inept kids who find school hell on earth for very good reasons suffer much
more and the proof of that is how many of them end up killing themselves.
> One size does not fit all.
Doesnt mean that its actually feasible for state schools that have
to accept the everyone who chooses to use that school for their
kids tho or where the system decides which schools they attend.
> But most of the school efforts are to groom factory workers and military.
and state schools dont even bother with what the military wants anymore
and havent for a long time now, largely because the union goons that so
many of the state school teachers are hate the military system with a passion.
> Real education begins in college.
> So only the elite can prosper.
owners have prospered without any college education.
> I mean what does the government do right?
the cops, the fire service, operations like the CDC, NASA etc etc etc,
Mere frippery all of them.
Mrs Irish Mike
Nov 13, 2011, 2:59:18 PM11/13/11
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On Nov 11, 4:23 pm, "Mr. K" <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> In article
> <60a63259-4385-42c4-ae77-614365a99...@i13g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
language among a nation of immigrants. A country that has a high rate
of literacy. A country with freedom of religion that is not controled
by religous dogma. A country of a diverse ethnic population that is
not in constant social upheaval. And many more aspects of
socialization that comes from the public school system, without even
mentioning our technological superiority and our unique creativity.
As far as home schooling, I would not like the average parent to be
entrusted with educating our children. We have a population that
believes in ghosts, bigfoots, UFOs, and the lottery as an investment
vehicle. To entrust the ignorant to instruct their children would be
to condemn a large number of children to a life of ignorance with no
chance of escape.
Those who are home schooled are children of parents wth a higher than
average social-economic status. The parents can afford to have only
one parent working, The teaching parent usually has achieved some
secondary education if not a degree. These advantages would be
apparent in the child's development, home schooled or not.
As far as the youth of our nation, I think our children and
grandchildren will be more advanced than us. I feel so much more
intelligent since getting the internet late in my life, the kids today
are growing up with it. America's children will stand on our shoulders
to see a much larger horizon. They will learn from our mistakes. My
only fear of the youth is they will regard me as obsolete and they
will be angry about the world my generation has left them.
> In article
> <60a63259-4385-42c4-ae77-614365a99...@i13g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> Mrs Irish Mike <wilma6...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The biggest expenditure of property tax is public school education,
> > that's where the real value of paying property taxes comes from. Do
> > you want to live in a community where all the young people are
> > ignorant?
>
> > EVIDENCE:
>
> > The states with the lowest property taxes are LA, AL, WV, MS, and AR.
> > The states with the highest property taxes are NJ, NH, CT, NY, MA.
> >http://efinancedirectory.com/articles/States_with_the_Highest_and_Low...
>
> > The biggest expenditure of property tax is public school education,
> > that's where the real value of paying property taxes comes from. Do
> > you want to live in a community where all the young people are
> > ignorant?
>
> > EVIDENCE:
>
> > The states with the lowest property taxes are LA, AL, WV, MS, and AR.
> > The states with the highest property taxes are NJ, NH, CT, NY, MA.
> > rty_Taxes.html
>
> > Or you could do as another suggested and move to Somolia and have
> > your money go to support war lords and teenagers with automatic
> > weapons.
>
> I am opposed to the school system. it is a failure. Just ask any home
> schooling parent.
> I don't have kids, but look at what the "system" produces.
>
Let us look to see what the public school system produces. A common
>
> > Or you could do as another suggested and move to Somolia and have
> > your money go to support war lords and teenagers with automatic
> > weapons.
>
> I am opposed to the school system. it is a failure. Just ask any home
> schooling parent.
> I don't have kids, but look at what the "system" produces.
>
language among a nation of immigrants. A country that has a high rate
of literacy. A country with freedom of religion that is not controled
by religous dogma. A country of a diverse ethnic population that is
not in constant social upheaval. And many more aspects of
socialization that comes from the public school system, without even
mentioning our technological superiority and our unique creativity.
As far as home schooling, I would not like the average parent to be
entrusted with educating our children. We have a population that
believes in ghosts, bigfoots, UFOs, and the lottery as an investment
vehicle. To entrust the ignorant to instruct their children would be
to condemn a large number of children to a life of ignorance with no
chance of escape.
Those who are home schooled are children of parents wth a higher than
average social-economic status. The parents can afford to have only
one parent working, The teaching parent usually has achieved some
secondary education if not a degree. These advantages would be
apparent in the child's development, home schooled or not.
As far as the youth of our nation, I think our children and
grandchildren will be more advanced than us. I feel so much more
intelligent since getting the internet late in my life, the kids today
are growing up with it. America's children will stand on our shoulders
to see a much larger horizon. They will learn from our mistakes. My
only fear of the youth is they will regard me as obsolete and they
will be angry about the world my generation has left them.
Rod Speed
Nov 13, 2011, 3:56:22 PM11/13/11
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Mrs Irish Mike wrote
> Mr. K <george...@toast.net> wrote
> A common language among a nation of immigrants.
Like hell it does. It doesnt even do that with the kids of the immigrants,
they pick up the common language regardless of public schools.
> A country that has a high rate of literacy.
Higher than it would otherwise be, sure.
> A country with freedom of religion that is not controled by religous dogma.
The public school system doesnt produce that, the constitution does.
> A country of a diverse ethnic population that is not in constant social upheaval.
The public school system doesnt produce that.
> And many more aspects of socialization that comes from the public school system,
That happens even without a public school system, most obviously with other schools.
> without even mentioning our technological superiority and our unique creativity.
The public school system doesnt produce that.
> As far as home schooling, I would not like the average
> parent to be entrusted with educating our children.
Doesnt matter what you would like.
> We have a population that believes in ghosts, bigfoots,
> UFOs, and the lottery as an investment vehicle.
And you get to like that or lump it.
> To entrust the ignorant to instruct their children would be to condemn
> a large number of children to a life of ignorance with no chance of escape.
Mindlessly silly. Hordes of kids manage to dump, the
stupiditys of their parents, even with the home schooled.
> Those who are home schooled are children of parents
> wth a higher than average social-economic status.
Easy to claim. Have fun actually substantiating that claim.
> The parents can afford to have only one parent working,
Doesnt require a higher than average social-economic status, just
a willingness to accept a lower standard of living in superficial terms.
> The teaching parent usually has achieved
> some secondary education if not a degree.
So what ? The first is true of most parents.
> These advantages would be apparent in the
> child's development, home schooled or not.
Easy to claim. Have fun actually substantiating that claim, particularly with the fundys.
> As far as the youth of our nation, I think our children
> and grandchildren will be more advanced than us.
Than you wouldnt be hard.
> I feel so much more intelligent since getting the internet late in my life,
No evidence of that in the above.
> the kids today are growing up with it.
And it remains to be seen if that will make them more advanced than us.
And thats completely irrelevant to what is being discussed anyway.
I've just had to answer an email from a kid who has just left public
school, after having graduated after having completed all of it thats
available, who didnt even know what that invoice entry from the ISP
labelled Closing Balance means.
> America's children will stand on our shoulders to see a much larger horizon.
Then those standing on your shoulders should just hang themselves.
> They will learn from our mistakes.
We'll see...
> My only fear of the youth is they will regard me as obsolete
Corse they will, we evolved like that.
> and they will be angry about the world my generation has left them.
Corse they will, we evolved like that.
> Mr. K <george...@toast.net> wrote
>> Mrs Irish Mike <wilma6...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> The biggest expenditure of property tax is public school education,
>>> that's where the real value of paying property taxes comes from. Do
>>> you want to live in a community where all the young people are ignorant?
>>> EVIDENCE:
>>> The states with the lowest property taxes are LA, AL, WV, MS, and AR.
>>> The states with the highest property taxes are NJ, NH, CT, NY, MA.
>>> http://efinancedirectory.com/articles/States_with_the_Highest_and_Low...rty_Taxes.html
>>> Or you could do as another suggested and move to Somolia and have
>>> your money go to support war lords and teenagers with automatic weapons.
>> I am opposed to the school system. it is a failure. Just ask any home schooling parent.
>> I don't have kids, but look at what the "system" produces.
> Let us look to see what the public school system produces.
Yes, lets.
>>> The biggest expenditure of property tax is public school education,
>>> that's where the real value of paying property taxes comes from. Do
>>> you want to live in a community where all the young people are ignorant?
>>> EVIDENCE:
>>> The states with the lowest property taxes are LA, AL, WV, MS, and AR.
>>> The states with the highest property taxes are NJ, NH, CT, NY, MA.
>>> http://efinancedirectory.com/articles/States_with_the_Highest_and_Low...rty_Taxes.html
>>> Or you could do as another suggested and move to Somolia and have
>>> your money go to support war lords and teenagers with automatic weapons.
>> I am opposed to the school system. it is a failure. Just ask any home schooling parent.
>> I don't have kids, but look at what the "system" produces.
> Let us look to see what the public school system produces.
> A common language among a nation of immigrants.
they pick up the common language regardless of public schools.
> A country that has a high rate of literacy.
> A country with freedom of religion that is not controled by religous dogma.
> A country of a diverse ethnic population that is not in constant social upheaval.
> And many more aspects of socialization that comes from the public school system,
> without even mentioning our technological superiority and our unique creativity.
> As far as home schooling, I would not like the average
> parent to be entrusted with educating our children.
> We have a population that believes in ghosts, bigfoots,
> UFOs, and the lottery as an investment vehicle.
> To entrust the ignorant to instruct their children would be to condemn
> a large number of children to a life of ignorance with no chance of escape.
stupiditys of their parents, even with the home schooled.
> Those who are home schooled are children of parents
> wth a higher than average social-economic status.
> The parents can afford to have only one parent working,
a willingness to accept a lower standard of living in superficial terms.
> The teaching parent usually has achieved
> some secondary education if not a degree.
> These advantages would be apparent in the
> child's development, home schooled or not.
> As far as the youth of our nation, I think our children
> and grandchildren will be more advanced than us.
> I feel so much more intelligent since getting the internet late in my life,
> the kids today are growing up with it.
And thats completely irrelevant to what is being discussed anyway.
I've just had to answer an email from a kid who has just left public
school, after having graduated after having completed all of it thats
available, who didnt even know what that invoice entry from the ISP
labelled Closing Balance means.
> America's children will stand on our shoulders to see a much larger horizon.
> They will learn from our mistakes.
> My only fear of the youth is they will regard me as obsolete
> and they will be angry about the world my generation has left them.
The Real Bev
Nov 13, 2011, 5:24:02 PM11/13/11
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On 11/13/2011 11:59 AM, Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
> On Nov 11, 4:23 pm, "Mr. K"<george...@toast.net> wrote:
>>
>> I am opposed to the school system. it is a failure. Just ask any
>> home schooling parent. I don't have kids, but look at what the
>> "system" produces.
>
> Let us look to see what the public school system produces. A common
> language among a nation of immigrants. A country that has a high
> rate of literacy. A country with freedom of religion that is not
> controled by religous dogma. A country of a diverse ethnic population
> that is not in constant social upheaval. And many more aspects of
> socialization that comes from the public school system, without even
> mentioning our technological superiority and our unique creativity.
That's the way it should be and the way it used to be. Not any more.
> On Nov 11, 4:23 pm, "Mr. K"<george...@toast.net> wrote:
>>
>> I am opposed to the school system. it is a failure. Just ask any
>> home schooling parent. I don't have kids, but look at what the
>> "system" produces.
>
> Let us look to see what the public school system produces. A common
> language among a nation of immigrants. A country that has a high
> rate of literacy. A country with freedom of religion that is not
> controled by religous dogma. A country of a diverse ethnic population
> that is not in constant social upheaval. And many more aspects of
> socialization that comes from the public school system, without even
> mentioning our technological superiority and our unique creativity.
Even so, it's a proper expense and I only bitch that it's spent the
wrong way -- enriching and safeguarding the jobs of union members at the
expense of education.
> As far as home schooling, I would not like the average parent to be
> entrusted with educating our children. We have a population that
> believes in ghosts, bigfoots, UFOs, and the lottery as an investment
> vehicle. To entrust the ignorant to instruct their children would be
> to condemn a large number of children to a life of ignorance with no
> chance of escape.
doing it. It took maybe an hour a day. If we'd been more interested (or
expert) in other subjects the kids would have been better educated, but
we left the rest to the school.
> Those who are home schooled are children of parents wth a higher
> than average social-economic status. The parents can afford to have
> only one parent working, The teaching parent usually has achieved
> some secondary education if not a degree. These advantages would be
> apparent in the child's development, home schooled or not.
>
> As far as the youth of our nation, I think our children and
> grandchildren will be more advanced than us. I feel so much more
> intelligent since getting the internet late in my life, the kids
> today are growing up with it.
thought or discussion shown in usenet. I guess 'LOL' can substitute for
several paragraphs, but it doesn't have much subtlety.
> America's children will stand on our shoulders to see a much larger
> horizon. They will learn from our mistakes. My only fear of the youth
> is they will regard me as obsolete and they will be angry about the
> world my generation has left them.
That's what we tried to do, just like our parents did. Whining isn't
productive.
--
Cheers, Bev
_|-_|-_|-_|-_|-_|-_|-_|-_|-_|-_|-_|-_|-_
When you stop bitching, you start dying.
Mrs Irish Mike
Nov 14, 2011, 2:52:24 PM11/14/11
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On Nov 13, 2:24 pm, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/13/2011 11:59 AM, Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
>
>
> > Let us look to see what the public school system produces. A common
> > language among a nation of immigrants. A country that has a high
> > rate of literacy. A country with freedom of religion that is not
> > controled by religous dogma. A country of a diverse ethnic population
> > that is not in constant social upheaval. And many more aspects of
> > socialization that comes from the public school system, without even
> > mentioning our technological superiority and our unique creativity.
>
> That's the way it should be and the way it used to be. Not any more.
> Even so, it's a proper expense and I only bitch that it's spent the
> wrong way -- enriching and safeguarding the jobs of union members at the
> expense of education.
This is your main complaint, "enriching and safeguarding the jobs of
> On 11/13/2011 11:59 AM, Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
>
>
> > Let us look to see what the public school system produces. A common
> > language among a nation of immigrants. A country that has a high
> > rate of literacy. A country with freedom of religion that is not
> > controled by religous dogma. A country of a diverse ethnic population
> > that is not in constant social upheaval. And many more aspects of
> > socialization that comes from the public school system, without even
> > mentioning our technological superiority and our unique creativity.
>
> That's the way it should be and the way it used to be. Not any more.
> Even so, it's a proper expense and I only bitch that it's spent the
> wrong way -- enriching and safeguarding the jobs of union members at the
> expense of education.
union members...".
Let me remind you that freedom of association is a basic human right.
It is enshrined in our Bill of Rights, it has been supported by our
Supreme Court, even the UN's Universal Human Rights spells this out.
In the past there have been many who were against labor unions, Lenin,
Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, and many other totalitarian regimes.
If you're not happy with your local public school, perhaps you need
to have better elected officials who can more effectively negotiate
with the unions. Quit whinning and get involved.
If your only contact with the youth of America is reading FaceBook,
you are in no position to judge. The youth of America are intelligent,
informed and involved. The only way they will fail is if our
generation saddles them with debt they will never get out from under.
There will be little hope for them if our generation allows our
commonwealth to be sold out from under them, to destroy our enviorment
for the wealth of a few, and if we fail to provide superior education
and opportunity.
Bob F
Nov 14, 2011, 3:23:50 PM11/14/11
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Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
> On Nov 13, 2:24 pm, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 11/13/2011 11:59 AM, Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Let us look to see what the public school system produces. A common
>>> language among a nation of immigrants. A country that has a high
>>> rate of literacy. A country with freedom of religion that is not
>>> controled by religous dogma. A country of a diverse ethnic
>>> population that is not in constant social upheaval. And many more
>>> aspects of socialization that comes from the public school system,
>>> without even mentioning our technological superiority and our
>>> unique creativity.
>>
>> That's the way it should be and the way it used to be. Not any more.
>> Even so, it's a proper expense and I only bitch that it's spent the
>> wrong way -- enriching and safeguarding the jobs of union members at
>> the expense of education.
>
>
> This is your main complaint, "enriching and safeguarding the jobs of
> union members...".
>
> Let me remind you that freedom of association is a basic human right.
> It is enshrined in our Bill of Rights, it has been supported by our
> Supreme Court, even the UN's Universal Human Rights spells this out.
> In the past there have been many who were against labor unions, Lenin,
> Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, and many other totalitarian regimes.
Unions are the only reflection of democracy in the workplace. People who hate
> On Nov 13, 2:24 pm, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 11/13/2011 11:59 AM, Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Let us look to see what the public school system produces. A common
>>> language among a nation of immigrants. A country that has a high
>>> rate of literacy. A country with freedom of religion that is not
>>> controled by religous dogma. A country of a diverse ethnic
>>> population that is not in constant social upheaval. And many more
>>> aspects of socialization that comes from the public school system,
>>> without even mentioning our technological superiority and our
>>> unique creativity.
>>
>> That's the way it should be and the way it used to be. Not any more.
>> Even so, it's a proper expense and I only bitch that it's spent the
>> wrong way -- enriching and safeguarding the jobs of union members at
>> the expense of education.
>
>
> This is your main complaint, "enriching and safeguarding the jobs of
> union members...".
>
> Let me remind you that freedom of association is a basic human right.
> It is enshrined in our Bill of Rights, it has been supported by our
> Supreme Court, even the UN's Universal Human Rights spells this out.
> In the past there have been many who were against labor unions, Lenin,
> Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, and many other totalitarian regimes.
unions are expressing their actual hate for democracy.
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