Home shower drip repair (how do I get the Delta faucet apart)?
Donna
drip?
I'm stuck - I don't know how to get the shower faucet apart?
- I removed the two bolts holding the back plate on
- I removed the set screw holding the handle on
- I removed the sleeve around the brass thing that turns
And ... I'm basically stuck here ... I can't see what next to remove.
I posted 15 pictures of the steps here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/sets/72157603940232052/
Can you help me with the next step to dissaembly of this Delta shower
faucet?
Thank you,
Donna
Donna
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/sets/72157603940232052/
It might be hard to see the key pics so to help you help me, I just made
extensive annotations of the pics for you to help me.
This is basically where I started
http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2484369038/in/set-72157603940232052/
And, this is basically where I'm stuck!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2483559087/in/set-72157603940232052/
Do you know what next to remove to get this Delta shower faucet apart?
Thanks,
Donna
JoeSpareBedroom
news:g07n6d$197$1...@aioe.org...
Great picture, but I can't help. Try poking around here:
Or, the shorter version:
hchi...@hotmail.com
wrote:
IIRC, you need to remove the escutcheon (The big silver plate that
covers the hole) In behind it, you'll probably find a big U shaped
brass or spring steel retainer clip that holds the plastic cartridge
in place in the housing. Pull up on it to remove it. The little
brass limit stop on the front of the white cartridge in you picture
usually slips off, the cartridge gets set to the noon position, and
with the retainer clip off, the cartridge slips right out coming
forward. If you have to use any significant force you are doing
something wrong. The only things keeping it in place at that point
are a couple of O-rings.
caloo calay
Try going to Home Depot et al, and find the "kit" that repairs
your faucet. Then you will be able to identify what needs to come out.
Note that you will probably need to grab onto that metal post sticking
out, with a pliers, and just pull it out, and whatever is attached to
it (probably a valve). .Make sure you have removed whatever parts are
holding the valve in before trying to pull it out. It might be hard
to get out, even with all the obstructions removed. If the Delta is
like other faucets, you just need to pull out the old "valve", and
insert the new one. (PLus all the other parts) Around $15 to $20 at
home depot probably.
Great pictures, btw.
Big_Jake
> > I'm stuck - I don't know how to get the shower faucet apart?
> > I posted 15 pictures of the steps here
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/sets/72157603940232052/
>
> It might be hard to see the key pics so to help you help me, I just made
> extensive annotations of the pics for you to help me.
>
>
> And, this is basically where I'm stuck!http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2483559087/in/set-7215760394023...
>
> Do you know what next to remove to get this Delta shower faucet apart?
> Thanks,
> Donna
The big brass ring that you point to and say "This doesn't have a flat
spot" needs to come off, with Channellocks or a pipe wrench (gently).
It spins off counter-clockwise. It is holding the cartridge in (the
main white plastic part). Typically Delta's have a couple of rubber
"cups" on the back of the cartridge that can be replaced to stop a
leak. If the cartridge is bad, it will be pretty expensive. The last
one like yours I had to replace had frozen. :-(
JK
Big_Jake
Gosh I hope you turned the water off, both sides, first...
JK
Donna
> http://tinyurl.com/64rlmo
Hi Joe,
That was a great idea to poke around the Delta site.
http://www.deltafaucet.com/wps/portal/deltacom/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLNzSPN3cNBMmB2WGO-pGoggHxZk5IYkH63vq-Hvm5qfoB-gW5oRHljo6KAB45wpM!/delta/base64xml/L3dJdyEvd0ZNQUFzQUMvNElVRS82XzE3XzdFUg!!?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=http://render1.deltafaucet.com/wps/wcm/connect/www.deltafaucet.com/Customer+Support/Frequently+Asked+Questions/Leaks/My+Tub+or+Shower+faucet+leaks
I found this exploded diagram:
http://tinyurl.com/5fb5y3
Which I reproduced in the slide show on flickr at:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/sets/72157603940232052/show/with/2484362698/
Specifically, it's this picture in the set:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2484557563/in/set-72157603940232052/
I see some people say to remove the "escutcheon" and others say leave it
be. Unfortunately, from the exploded diagram above, I can't tell still how
to remove the "cartridge".
Can someone confirm if I have to remove the escutcheon (which means cutting
it away from the tile since it seems glued in) or if I have to somehow
twist out the "cartridge"?
Thanks for your help - without you - I'd never have the courage to try
this!
Donna
Donna
> Try going to Home Depot et al, and find the "kit" that repairs
> your faucet. Then you will be able to identify what needs to come out.
Hi Caloo Calay,
I did go to Home Depot, armed with the printout of the photographs.
Unfortunately, we didn't find ANYTHING that matched this faucet!
The store person suggested I take the Delta faucet apart and come in with
the parts in my hand.
Of course, that's where the problem is.
I can't figure out the next step in disassembly.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2484557563/in/set-72157603940232052/
It looks like two options were suggested here:
a) Cut away the escutcheon with a knife and see if there is something
behind it to remove ... or ...
b) Grab the post sticking out with channel locks and try to twist it out by
force ...
To get a better handle on the next step (i.e., a or b above), I tried
calling Delta Customer Support at 1-800-345-DELTA (800-345-3358) but they
were closed for the weekend. So I emailed them at
custome...@deltafaucet.com and I hope to get a response.
Meanwhile, I appreciate any and all help you guys can provide as it's not
obvious to me, and, whatever you help with, the next person with the same
problem will have this information in the archives to benefit from.
Donna
Donna
> IIRC, you need to remove the escutcheon (The big silver plate that
> covers the hole) In behind it, you'll probably find a big U shaped
> brass or spring steel retainer clip that holds the plastic cartridge
> in place in the housing. Pull up on it to remove it.
Here's a Delta diagram of what's behind the "escutcheon".
http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2484557563/in/set-72157603940232052/
That exploded diagram might help you understand what's next - but - it
doesn't help me figure out what's the next part to remove.
I've heard two different answers ... which one is the right one?
That is, should I cut off the escutcheon with a knife or should I try to
pull or twist the brass tube thingey with channel locks?
Donna
Big_Jake
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 17:40:41 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> >http://tinyurl.com/64rlmo
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> I found this exploded diagram:
> http://tinyurl.com/5fb5y3
> Which I reproduced in the slide show on flickr at:
>
>
> Specifically, it's this picture in the set:http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2484557563/in/set-7215760394023...
>
> I see some people say to remove the "escutcheon" and others say leave it
> be. Unfortunately, from the exploded diagram above, I can't tell still how
> to remove the "cartridge".
>
> Can someone confirm if I have to remove the escutcheon (which means cutting
> it away from the tile since it seems glued in) or if I have to somehow
> twist out the "cartridge"?
>
> Thanks for your help - without you - I'd never have the courage to try
> this!
>
> Donna
The diagram is for a "ball type" Delta faucet, which is not what you
have. Spin the brass ring off with a pipe wrench or channellocks
(gently) and then pull the cartridge out. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE
WATER OFF, and let the water pressure out of hot and cold before you
do this, or you will get really wet, and might send parts flying as
you take it apart.
Here is a pictorial of what you need to do, but I still don't think
you need to take off the escutcheon.
http://www.hammerzone.com/archives/plumbing/bathtub/faucet1/deltarot/replseal.html
JK
Donna
> Gosh I hope you turned the water off, both sides, first...
Ooops. No. I just turned the handle to shut the water off.
I guess I better turn the water off at the main inlet huh?
I didn't think of that - but then - I didn't get to that part yet.
(It wouldn't have been my first disaster, mind you!).
Without you guys, I'd never have the courage to attempt these jobs!
Thanks for your help ...
I guess I'll try the channellocks on the brass part, twisting it counter
clockwise - to see if something happens.
Donna
Donna
> Did you buy the repair kit? Did it not come with instructions?
Hi Joseph Meehan,
This advise sounds easy but in fact you can't buy the repair kit, at least
at the Home Depot I visited with pictures in my hand - until you positively
identify the faucet.
And, it turns out, you can't positively identify which repair kit to use
until you take apart the faucet (at least according to Home Depot).
Which brings us back to square one ... how to disassemble the Delta shower
faucet to repair a leak?
Donna
Donna
> You need to remove the chrome escution from the wall. It should pry off
> easily. It may be held on by some caulk or just a gasket in back, but be
> gentle and pry around it so that you not deform it.
Hi John Grabowski,
You're the second person to recommend removing the chrome "escutcheon".
There are two problems with that - the first is that it's stuck on and I'm
scared of cutting it away - but - the second is that others here say we
don't have to remove that chrome escutcheon.
When I look at the diagram on the Delta site, I can't tell (I can't find
the instructions for taking the Delta faucet apart on the Delta web site).
http://tinyurl.com/5fb5y3
Can you tell, from this diagram, whether I need to remove the escutcheon
next (which means cutting it away from the tile) or if I need to somehow
spin out the brass cylinder with pliars?
Donna
John Grabowski
From the diagram it looks as though there is a screw in the center that
needs to be removed and that may be what is keeping the remaining parts
secure. However I don't see that screw in your actual photograph. According
to Big Jake the escutcheon does not need to be removed on this particular
valve and the diagram appears to support that claim. However I am wondering
what role that big round piece which is probably behind the escutcheon plays
in all of this. The escutcheon is probably just stuck to the wall from
caulk. If you want to remove it, try getting a small flat screwdriver or a
putty knife behind it and gingerly work your way around.
I have found that plumbing instructions, like electrical instructions are
written for people who already know how to do this type of work so no great
detail is provided.
Donna
> I am wondering what role that big round piece which is probably
> behind the escutcheon plays in all of this.
Hi John, Joe, Jake, Joseph, etc.
That big round brass bonnet turns out to be fundamental to the cartridge
removal process! I called Delta again this morning (800-345-3358) for one
of my most amazing customer support phone calls.
First off, I didn't have to press 1 for English (why isn't that always the
default!), second, they answered the phone right away (wow!), third it was
a human who answered (woo hoo!), and fourth, they knew what I was talking
about without me having to ask for the next level of support! Amazing.
Simply amazing. I went from cursing Delta to loving Delta in a single phone
call!
What Delta customer support told me on the phone was the following:
- No need to remove the escutcheon (unless we need more room)
- No need for any tools (except, in dire cases, a strap wrench)
- She called the set screw a grub screw & said it was 1/8 inch allen head
- She said I described the Delta 1300 or Delta 1400 series faucet
- The parts and procedure are the same for either shower faucet
The key is the brass bonnet ring (as you surmised):
- The brass bonnet ring spins off counter clockwise by hand
- If it won't spin by hand (it didn't for me, but, I'm not that strong)
- She said to soak a rag in a 1:1 solution of warm water & vinnegar
- Let the rag sit on the brass bonnet up to four times
In tough cases:
- If it's won't turn off by hand, she said DO NOT USE CHANNEL LOCKS!
- She was adamant about not using any two-point pliars!
- She said pliars don't apply even 360-degree pressure
- She said the only tool recommended is a "strap wrench"
- I'm not sure what a strap wrench is, but, I guess it's like a really tiny
an oil filter wrench of about 1 1/2 inch diameter.
She said:
- Once you spin out the cartridge, buy a replacement cartridge
- Reassembly is as simple as spinning the cartridge back in
- The cartridge is Delta P/N RP19804 for both faucet types
- She said it's at Lowes, Home Depot, Ace Hardware, Best Hardware, etc.
Well, I guess we know the answer. Spin out the bonnet. I am off to Ace to
see if I can find a tiny strap wrench after work today. Wish me luck!
Donna
Big_Jake
Good luck! That cartridge will likely set you back $30-$60. You
should probably be able to replace the two rubber "cups" for less than
a buck.
My channellocks are 4 point, but I understand their concerns. I have
distorted a brass ring badly enough to have to replace it.
JK
Gordon
@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com:
> Well, I guess we know the answer. Spin out the bonnet. I am off to Ace to
> see if I can find a tiny strap wrench after work today. Wish me luck!
>
> Donna
In a pinch, I have used a leather belt for a strap wrench.
Donna
> Good luck! That cartridge will likely set you back $30-$60. You
> should probably be able to replace the two rubber "cups" for less than
> a buck.
Hi Big Jake,
You were right on the money. On all counts! The Delta Monitor cartridge was
$50 and the two rubber cups & springs under them were really all I needed
to stop the leak.
I tried both the new cartridge and the repair kit and, guess what, they
both worked fine - so I returned the $50 cartridges and opted for just
replacing the two rubber cups and springs below them. I also replaced the
two small washers on the hot/cold water nipples on the cartridge, and the
large O-ring on the outside of the cartridge.
Overall, the job was easy once I removed the brass bonnet ring with a strap
wrench! I did make a few mistakes though. For example, I turned on the
water to test but I had forgotten to put the bonnet ring back on, and the
cartridge shot out of the wall a quarter inch or so spewing water
everywhere until I could shut off the main water supply.
Also, the hot became cold and the cold became hot, so, I had to reverse the
way I put the cartridge in the wall. But, overall, once that bonnet ring
was off, it was a piece of cake. The bonnet ring is deceptive because it
looks like it's part of the main brass assembly, whereas, in reality, the
bonnet ring is in addition to the main brass assembly. That's what threw me
off.
To repeat, we did NOT have to take off the escutcheon. The only tools
required to fix a leaking Delta Monitor single handle non tilt shower
faucet were the 1/8 inch allen wrench to remove the grub screw holding the
handle on and the strap wrench to remove the soft thin brass bonnet ring.
I'll post some pics so the next person benefits from our work!
Donna
Smitty Two
Donna <donna...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Personally, Donna, I find you quite annoying. You have quite a habit of
extending simple questions into threads of 500 posts, with excruciating
detail. I imagine others are caught up in your little soap opera life of
home repairs, though, so yes, please post those pics so all your little
homies can see how you conquered a leaky faucet.
Somehow it just seems kind of obscene to me. Your fascination with
yourself, and your perception that others are equally fascinated. You
cross post to four different groups, because you just love to share with
a big audience, and you're always so polite and cheerful. It's really
quite ugly.
Do have an absolutely wonderful day, though, won't you dear? We'll be
eagerly waiting to guide you through your next challenge, because next
to fixing broken crap in our own houses, our favorite pastime is talking
to Donna about fixing broken crap in hers, and joyfully celebrating her
hard-won victories.
Donna
> In a pinch, I have used a leather belt for a strap wrench.
Hi Gordon,
That would have worked, I'm sure, as with the strap wrench, the bonnet
easily spun off (I couldn't budge it without the strap though).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2488962230/in/set-72157603940232052/
Here, so everyone benefits, are the additional photos showing the entire
repair (http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl).
The Delta Monitor faucet repair slide show is here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/sets/72157603940232052/show/
I hope the next person with a leaky Delta Monitor single valve non-tilt
shower faucet can benefit from our discussion here.
Thanks everyone!
Donna
John Grabowski
Donna, thanks for getting back and letting us know the final outcome and for
the details of your experience. I wish more posters would come back with the
end result.
Donna
> I wish more posters would come back with the end result.
Hi John,
Thanks for the kind words.
I very much thank you and Big_Jake, Joseph Meehan, Caloo Clay,
JoeSpareBedroom, hchickpea, and Gordon for your wonderful advice.
It's nice to know there's help out there when you need it!
And, now, there's the answer so the next person has the benefit of what
we've learned together!
Donna
Vic Smith
<prest...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>Personally, Donna, I find you quite annoying. You have quite a habit of
>extending simple questions into threads of 500 posts, with excruciating
>detail. I imagine others are caught up in your little soap opera life of
>home repairs, though, so yes, please post those pics so all your little
>homies can see how you conquered a leaky faucet.
>
>Somehow it just seems kind of obscene to me. Your fascination with
>yourself, and your perception that others are equally fascinated. You
>cross post to four different groups, because you just love to share with
>a big audience, and you're always so polite and cheerful. It's really
>quite ugly.
>
>Do have an absolutely wonderful day, though, won't you dear? We'll be
>eagerly waiting to guide you through your next challenge, because next
>to fixing broken crap in our own houses, our favorite pastime is talking
>to Donna about fixing broken crap in hers, and joyfully celebrating her
>hard-won victories.
LOL. Good. I always find huge detailed threads about taking a faucet
apart a bit much, when getting hold of a copy of that little schematic
that usually comes with it would do.
OTOH, it's more interesting than "never had a clue" and "fuckwit."
--Vic
Bob Thompson
wrote:
> I always find huge detailed threads about taking afaucet
> apart a bit much, when getting hold of a copy of that little schematic
> that usually comes with it would do.
> OTOH, it's more interesting than "never had a clue" and "fuckwit."
I challenge both Vic and Smitty Two to point out WHERE on the Internet
are instructions for taking apart and repairing a Delta Monitor shower
faucet?
That "schematic" you bespeak of does not explain the steps nor the
tools and it is not obvious how to take apart the faucet.
Personally, I just searched, and found a bunch of similar requests for
the procedure to repair a leaky Delta Monitor but nowhere the steps
with pictures and explanations until this thread.
When Vic and Smitty Two come to the same conclusion, I'd ask them to
post back what the purpose and intent of this home repair related
newsgroup is and how this thread, in their opinion, doesn't fit in
perfectly.
Bob Thompson
> You cross post to four different groups, because you just love to share with
> a big audience, and you're always so polite and cheerful. It's really
> quite ugly.
I challenge Smitty Two to explain which are the four groups posted to
and how they do not relate to home repair by individuals presumably
wishing to save money over a plumber.
I also challenge Smitty Two to find where in the RFCs where it says
you're not supposed to cheerfully share your experiences with the
usenet audience?
Additionally, I challenge Smitty Two to find the answer to this
question as if it's already posted? Sure he'll find the question. But
I challenge him to find the answer. Until now.
Besides I only see three groups posted to and if I look at the first
reply tos it's only back to one group.
Smitty Two
What exactly is wrong with cheerfully sharing personal home repair
experiences in this group?
Bob Thompson
> Personally, I just searched, and found a bunch of similar requests for
> with pictures and explanations until this thread.
While I'm sure neither Smitty Two nor Vic could find the answer to
even this simple question I did find the exact question asked a number
of times.
A representative example is in this "alt.home.repair" thread on Sun,
20 Mar 2005 00:36:16 GMT asking 'Have a Delta Monitor single lever
with a temperature control knob in the bath/shower. Anyone have an
idea where I can find instructions on how to repair/replace the valve?
Have a slight occasional drip. I found some pdfs at deltas web site.
It was good to ID parts but not for any disassembly."
This previous request to this same newsgroup resulted merely in a
pointer to a kitchen faucet schematic which looks totally different
than what I saw in the shower pictures posted here and where the most
important bonnet component looks nothing like the kitchen schematic
and neither does the faucet escutcheon. The faucet cartridge is also
totally different with wholly different removal procedure and
fittings. It's a Delta Monitor faucet but that's where the
similarities end.
Why is the answer to this question so obvious to Smitty Two and Vic
that even in this group in the past and present there was general
discussion until a consensus could be reached?
Vic Smith
<bthomp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On May 14, 11:07?am, Bob Thompson <bthompson...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Personally, I just searched, and found a bunch of similar requests for
>> the procedure to repair a leakyDeltaMonitor but nowhere the steps
>> with pictures and explanations until this thread.
>
>While I'm sure neither Smitty Two nor Vic could find the answer to
>even this simple question I did find the exact question asked a number
>of times.
>
Didn't mean to offend you. I just thought Two's post was amusing, and
he was tongue-in-cheek.
Donna's posts are quite informative, and in this case a boon to Delta
faucet repairers.
Info is good, this thread was well done, and the last thing I want is
to stifle info in any way. Sorry.
--Vic
Smitty Two
<7c9e2e7a-13e6-480f...@q27g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Bob Thompson <bthomp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well, Bob, if you really want to dialogue with me, you'll have to stop
posting from google, because I killfile them. But I became aware of your
post through Vic's response.
If you'll read my post carefully, I never said the instructions were
readily available on the internet. I never said the post was off topic.
What I said was, Donna annoys the crap out of me. And she does.
KLS
<prest...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>What I said was, Donna annoys the crap out of me. And she does.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but Donna's virtue is the
fount of information she is leaving on the Internet for future
homeowners' reference, unlike, for example, HoundMan (VF) on
alt.autos.subaru who persists in modifying his 2007 Subaru to feel and
perform like his 1968 Chevy and provides excruciatingly detailed posts
addressing his goals, his actions, and his opinions, few if any of
which correlate to the reality the rest of us live in. Try reading
some of his posts for maximum annoyance.
Donna
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 19:00:44 -0700, Smitty Two
> <prest...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>What I said was, Donna annoys the crap out of me. And she does.
>
> Donna's virtue is the fount of information she is leaving on the
> Internet for future homeowners' reference
Oh my! I certainly did not mean to annoy the very people who help me!
Nor did I mean to annoy anyone who needs the help in the future.
I'm very sorry for the "excrutiating" detail - I never intended to offend.
I'll therefore keep this apology short and leave quickly.
Donna
Bob Thompson
> Here is a pictorial of what you need to do, but I still don't think
> you need to take off the escutcheon.
My comments on the handyman article should you attempt this repair
yourselves.
http://www.hammerzone.com/archives/plumbing/bathtub/faucet1/deltarot/replseal.html
http://tinyurl.com/4y3bwl
They were omnipotent when they said "we had to study the situation for
a few minutes before we realized that the brass collar was actually a
separate part from the rest of the brass valve housing" and "Once the
retaining collar was removed, the rest was obvious." The same ideas
were expressed in this thread.
But the actual steps they took in that handyman article were wrong not
only because they used pliars instead of a strap wrench but because
they took apart parts that even they didn't use so they never needed
to take apart those part in the first place. There was no need to pry
off the o ring on the tip of the valve and to pry off the brass
temperature limit valve either. They were just blindly taking things
apart because they could not because they should.
Otherwise it was a good article and the pictures are excellent.
Combined with this thread I would think someone could now do the job
in about ten minutes.
They even explained why there is a screw hole which isn't used in a
handle shower faucet but which is used in a knob shower faucet.
Cheapo Groovo
@yahoo.com says...
helping a brother/sister out or as to frugality!
Donna
> stand up to the bullies
Hi Cheapo Groovo,
I do appreciate your support but, really, how can I possibly stand up to
them?
They can always impugn my reputation in a single post and shout me down
were I to even try. That's easy and inexpensive on their part.
The actual hard part is taking the pictures, saving them, shrinking them,
cropping them, annotating each and every one, uploading them, making a
slide show out of them, calling the faucet company and asking intelligent
questions, doing the initial web searches, following up on all the
suggested links, buying the correct parts, buying the right tools, and then
doing the actual repair work and writing it all up for others to benefit.
Given I've done all that, I don't really have the time nor the energy to
"stand up to the bullies". In fact, I'd rather spend my appreciable time on
my next home repair project (which is to fix the wiring in the bathroom
that I screwed up installing automatic on/off lights supposedly to save
money). Sigh.
Thanks,
Donna
mn...@yahoo.com
project, I couldn't have finished mine.
Thank You Very Much.