JEREMY CROCKER'S LAST WORDS
Ian Goddard
I just acquired a tape of Jeremy Crocker, the disappeared
TWA Flight 800 researcher and missile theorist, speaking
on the Peter Ford Show (12/04/96) just five days before
he disappeared. Crocker's family believes that there
may be a connection with his disappearance and his
focused research into the crash of TWA 800. As
the Press-Enterprise (10/28/1997) wrote:
Crocker, a longtime Palm Springs resident
whose father built the Palm Springs Aerial
Tramway, was last seen Dec. 9 at the down-
town Los Angeles library where he did much
of his research on the [ TWA 800 ] crash.
His preoccupation with the airline crash
included countless hours of research in
libraries and on the Internet. He did not
trust the government's probes of the crash
and believed a projectile knocked the air-
liner from the skies. He created mathematical
models and studied the aerodynamics of the
crash and similarities to other air dis-
asters worldwide.
...Crocker's two grown sons...believe their
father's disapperance may be connected to
the July 17, 1996 crash of TWA Flight 800
off the coast of Long Island.
Listening to Jeremy Crocker I hear a man who is calm and
collected, mild mannered, objective, and intelligent. It
is clear that he is a careful thinker who does not make
wild off-the-cuff truth claims. He believed that TWA 800
was shot down with a missile, but never states directly
whose missile he thinks it was. I get the feeling from
that that he had not made up his mind exactly who fired
the missile. He does say that he thinks it was not a
small missile and that in the effort to discover the
truth, contacts in the military are needed.
I do not type fast, so transcribing from tape is a pain-
fully slow process for me. I have therefore not taken the
time to transcribe everything said and the only speaker
I've transcribed is Crocker. The portions of Crocker I've
not transcribed had to do with the crash of KAL 007 and
some minor chit-chat with a few callers. Nothing from
that untranscribed discourse leads to any insights into
his TWA 800 research. Some sentences may not read right,
but I've transcribed them as they were spoken.
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LAST PUBLIC WORDS OF JEREMY CROCKER ================
These are some of the last publicly stated words of
disappeared TWA Flight 800 researcher Jeremy Crocker
speaking on the Peter Ford Show, KIEV Radio 12/4/96:
JEREMY CROCKER: I contribute to KIEV my presence here
because it was questions on the Ray Bream show and
others and particularly his guests such as Captain
Richard Russell who brought out the questions that
I've spent several months trying to answer.
PETER FORD reads from Ron Lewis's Air Forces
Monthly report, citing the terrorist fax.
JEREMY CROCKER: I think I could add something on that.
The London Telegraph covered some of that activity in
the Middle East particularly because some terrorist
camps had been established around Tehran and were seen
from U.S. satellites, and it looked like the U.S. was
going to have a pretext there for an attack on Iran at
that time. I would guess that they did not have the
evidence to show that Iran was at the root of the
TWA crash is the reason for not doing it.
PETER FORD speaks about Nov 18 report
of streaks of light seen by Pakistani
pilots off Long Island.
JEREMY CROCKER: Yes, on that one Peter keep in mind
on the Ray Bream Show earlier in the week had an
expert in the field, Captain Richard Russell. And
I have been privy to something that came by another
airline captain, a flight going from FLL, which is
probably a Florida origin, to BOS, which is Boston,
was headed for Providence at 33,000 feet and was
crossing over the course of the Pakistani airliner
at the time it made that report, so you have two
credible sources.
CALLER says he thinks TWA 800 investigation
is a coverup, citing FBI and NTSB relations.
JEREMY CROCKER: Well I think particularly the 23
of the month, I forgot which month, maybe it was
August, quite an analysis by Joe Sexton in the New
York Times in which he analyzed the interior of the
investigation and it supports your conclusion that
there's something fishy there with the way the
organization is constructed.
PETER FORD speaks about the shows plan.
JEREMY CROCKER: Could I speak to that and sort of
sketch out the picture which we have and also the
places were there are holes and invite listeners
to fill those holes?
First we'll talk about the things that did not bring
down the airliner, contrary to what you may have heard
from the frequent press conferences at Calverton Long
Island. It wasn't a bomb, it wasn't a bomb for several
reasons. Not only were there no appreciable amounts of
explosives recovered, and you heard from Rodney [Stich]
that it takes a couple hundred pounds to take the nose
off a plane that has a 20 foot diameter fuselage and
has to fly at Mach .86 and all the forces that that
requires. So that we can throw out.
Then secondly it wasn't the fuel tank, which had no
fuel in it, it never has fuel when crossing the Atlantic,
it has a center fuel tank for trans-pacific flights only.
So then we come down to a missile. It wasn't a small
missile because small missiles go right through planes.
And there's an Aviation Week study which shows some 25
airliners have been hit by missiles over a period between
1978 I think through '94. So we need to have people who
have contacts in military, in aviation, and particularly,
as we'll talk about a little later, in foreign countries;
there's been some interesting things that have happened
in the way of cover-ups in Italy and Korea indirectly.
SEVERAL CALLERS call in, mostly off-topic talk.
JEREMY CROCKER: We wonder why governments fail to have
proper investigations and I think we can help to under-
stand that if we look at some cases in history. One
that we were talking about, the first one, was one in
1980 when an Italian airliner on its way from the main-
land to the city of Palermo in Sicily fell into the
ocean and 81 people died.
At the time there was some supposition that maybe a
bomb then a little later they thought maybe a missile
from Libya had hit it. And it stayed like that. There
was an organization of survivors of those related to
the victims, and I've spoken to someone who knew of
that. I also talked to some Italian visitors. And
finally in 1995 Agency France Press, which writes about
events all over the world, had an intriguing little
story, which you can find by archiving, that indicated
that amongst the various things Italian prosecutors
were looking into in items of corruption was the
unexplained crash of that airliner.
Then again a year later the English Guardian came out
with quite story based on papers discovered in the
secret, in the archives actually, of one of the Internal
Security, which is a nice name for their version of the
FBI, in which it laid the whole thing out, that Italy
in cooperation with other NATO members had attempted
to kill Qadhafi in route from Libya to somewhere. But
they brought their forces to bear and discovered that
Qadhafi was escorted by MIGs, and in the ensuing fire
fight knocked down some of their planes and unfortunately
caught an airliner that was passing by, which was the
one we spoke of, a DC-9.
PETER FORD talks about the Italian crash.
CROCKER: I have had some personal anecdotes on that.
You mentioned Palm Springs, I spent some time toward
the end of the week at a library which also functions
as a visitor center, and I keep listening and I hear
Italian accents and I ask questions. A young man said
yes, when they brought the airliner up it has a piece
of French jet in it.
PETER FORD talks more about the crash and asks Jeremy
if a US Navy P-3 was involved in the Italian incident.
CROCKER: Well P-3 comes up with the TWA crash, which
is an interesting point. But in any case let's be kind
of easy with the Italians. They had what seemed like
a good idea at the time. Qadhafi was very unpopular. If
most of our listeners remember being in line for fuel
in 1979 because of the second oil shock, which Qadhafi
had arranged. So had it worked, it would have removed
Qadhafi, an irritant to NATO, and been popular, even
thought they probably wouldn't have admitted it. But
when it failed and knocked down an airliner they were
really in difficulties. And the article goes on to
explain what they did about it, which is to clamp
down and they've kept it clamped down ever since.
PETER FORD asks if the commercial airliner that
was caught in the fire fight went out of business.
JEREMY CROCKER: It was called Itavia, a domestic
airline, and then the New York Times index shows it
to have gone out of business by the end of the year.
PETER FORD goes into KAL 007. Jeremy Crocker expressed
belief that the U.S. Govt used KAL 007 to penetrate
Soviet airspace, but that KAL may not have penetrated.
PETER FORD reads a Jerusalem Post report on French
Intelligence sources who say it must have been a U.S.
military missile and the U.S. will never admit it.
CROCKER: If I could interject something, you mentioned
the French, and the French have been quite helpful on
this, because they have quite a few people that have been
victims of the TWA crash. The quote that you gave us from
the Jerusalem Post originated with French sources, and
we can look overseas for perhaps an investigation that
is not clouded by U.S. interests.
PETER FORD talks. Presents closing question:
Is there any hope to sleuthing this thing out,
or where is this all this going?
CROCKER: I have great faith in thinking Americans and in
thinking people of Europe in particular because these are
people I've heard from [ words I can't decipher ], and
people also in Britain who do understand these things
probably with a subtlety we don't, that governments lie
and people have to figure it out despite their lies.
== END OF CROCKER INTERVIEW =========================
About Jeremy Crocker, The Winds reported that:
Crocker's work had come to the notice of Peter
Ford, a Los Angeles radio host. Just five days
before his disappearance, he had been a guest
on Ford's program where the subject was TWA 800.
Ford indicated that Jeremy Crocker was "abso-
lutely convinced that there was a lot of foul
play involved" in the downing of TWA Flight 800.
Continuing his research on December 9, 1996,
Crocker traveled to Los Angeles where he put
some of his current findings into an envelope
and mailed them to Ford. That was the last
anyone has heard from Jeremy Crocker. "The
dark side theory would be that he was taken
out. That someone, somewhere felt he was a
threat", said Ford. The Crocker family is
still searching, but police have never found
a trace. They say he simply vanished.
(Hard Copy, November 27,1997).
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For more information on the Itavia DC-9 crash
that Jeremy Crocker spoke of, visit these pages:
http://www.webexpert.net/thread/library/itavia.html
http://www.webexpert.net/thread/library/dc9analysis.html
http://www.webexpert.net/thread/library/tc.html
To order a tape of the 12/04/96
Jeremy Crocker interview on the
Peter Ford Show send $10 to:
Peter Ford
911 Oxford Way
Beverly Hills, Ca. 90210
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http://www.peterford.com/order.htm
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Ian, the information about Jeremy Crocker and the transcript
of
part of his interview are fascinating.
I exchanged notes with Mr. Crocker a few times in the fall of
1996.
One of my earliest experiences with him came about after he sent me a
graphic he had made...it showed the Long Island area, with the track
of TWA
Flight 800 represented as a line...intersecting that line was another
line
that approached from the north-east, from an area in the region of
Block
island...over Peconic Bay, and ending where it touched the TWA Flight
800
track. That line was not labeled. I asked him for clarification, but
he
didn't respond to that issue.
He sent me a note shortly before he disappeared, stating he
was
going to Los Angeles to look at some 747s.
I also find it interesting to learn from the transcript that
he was
interested in the 1980 Itavia DC-9 accident. If any list members would
like
to read about that incident, there are a couple of articles about it
in the
archives at my website
<http://www.webexpert.net/rosedale/twacasefile/default.htm>