Fwd: Re: Re[2]: [CLNJ_BODs] Championship well deserved .. but..Points to Ponder

[purav pandit]

Lot of you might be sulking because it's only Wednesday.  Let me brighten up your day with this lively email chain from clnj bod.  Start from the bottom of the chain.

Read Responsibly and Enjoy
Purav

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From: "billfayyaz billf...@yahoo.com [CLNJ_BODs]" <CLNJ...@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sep 23, 2015 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [CLNJ_BODs] Championship well deserved .. but..Points to Ponder
To: "CLNJ BODS" <CLNJ...@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "clnj_ec clnj_ec" <cln...@yahoogroups.com>

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> Just wanted to weigh in on the actual matter. Teams contributing to cricket in NJ by spending money is a great thing, but that does not mean we should jeapordize the safety of our young players, specially the tail enders and allow bad role models to tamper with the game. I have personally heard from players feeling that they felt targeted by Lawson after they hit him for a six where he seemed adamant on hurting them. He apparently chucked even more than he typically does and did not care about no balls.
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> In my personal experience, Lawson seems like a very nice guy playing the sport he loves and getting paid for it. He showed respect to me and I did to him. In that regard, he is no different to Shemroy Barrington. Having said that, what I just mentioned about Lawson being a nice guy or anybody getting the exposure to play against him has NOTHING to do with whether we should OR should not ban him. There is a clear issue with his action, much worse than almost any name mentioned in some of the emails. Please note: we do not play on flat tracks where pace and bounce is predictable which makes it doubly hard to play a guy chucking at that speed. Some good batsmen might adjust, but those are not the players Lawson will hurt.
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> The fact that he has continued to play shows the weakness in our leadership(EC and BODs) as the largest league in NJ. I can understand why other leagues might be OK with jeapordizing player safety, but as far as CLNJ is concerned, almost all teams here are top class and we do not need to endanger the safety of our players.
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> Let's also not blame the people that have employed him as there is no standard set for them by the leagues or umpires and we have the culture of winning at any "cost", which has tainted us all in ways we are blind to recognize at this point in time. Somerset needs to understand this discussion is not about them or in anyway a bad reflection on them as a team. They have played by the expectations we have set as a league, and Lawson was a small part of their extremely successful campaign. 
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> For now, let's recognize and identify this as a weakness of our umpires that do not feel strong enough to no ball a high profile player. Having said that, we should be glad some were smart enough to video tape and trigger this discussion. We should all take the blame as a league for not starting this discussion before Lawson played his first game under our banner.
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> Let's fix this and protect our players. When Lawson sees our resolve, he may fix his action as well if not then he will find cricket elsewhere. We are a big family and when controversial issues come up, we should resolve them proactively rather than waiting for others to address them.
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> I am assuming EC will now take over this issue and will let the BODS vote on the matter.
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> Thank you,
> Bilal Fayyaz
> SomCaV (aka Monroe Cavaliers)
>
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> From: "Kumar T kuma...@yahoo.com [CLNJ_BODs]" <CLNJ...@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 09/23/2015 12:54 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: CLNJ...@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: clnj_ec clnj_ec <cln...@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [CLNJ_BODs] Championship well deserved .. but..Points to Ponder
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> Hi Sagar,
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>  Would the original email fall under Code of conduct (Level 1) ?
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> 1.4 Using language that is obscene, offensive or insulting and/or the making of an obscene gesture. 
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>  I understand the term "offensive" is relative, just want to know EC's opinion on this. 
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> The healthy part of the discussion; I had responded to comments on the same subject in MCL yesterday, this might be repeat for some folks.
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> 1. In CLNJ bouncers are not allowed (below is extract from rule book). 
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> 2. No Ball 
> a. If any ball, after pitching, goes over the shoulder line of a batsman in normal stance it is considered a no ball. 
> b. There are no bouncers allowed.
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> What happens when a bowler bowls bouncers in intervals (say 1 per over)? at what point can umpires remove them from bowling ? What happens to repeat offenders,i.e. bowlers bowling few bouncers every game ? Do they get banned from bowling for the rest of the season ? If we answer this, player safety related to short pitch bowling will be taken care. This would apply for high full tosses as well.
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> 2. Jermaine Lawson; umpires have not called "no balls" for illegal deliveries. Is the one neutral umpire in the best position to call "no balls" i don't think so. Video evidence may not be enough for EC or others to ban a bowler. Everyone would have seen muthiah muralidharan, lasith malinga, shabir ahmed, harbhajan singh, etc; for the naked eye everything looked like chucking, but some were not considered illegal, others were. If we put a process for banning a bowler based on illegal actions we can apply same yardstick for all. 
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> As for the rest of the comments, everyone understands there is too much romance between the two teams, name calling is unwarranted. Both the teams have contributed in their own way to improving cricket in CLNJ and New Jersey. With out these teams spending $300 or $3000 per game, most of the players from other teams would not have had a chance to play against the likes of Ashraful or Lawson. I'm sure neither Ashraful grew up in the same street as Navdeep nor Lawson grew up in the same street as Aslam. 
>
> Thanks,
> Kumar T
>
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>> From: "Sagar Solat sagar...@rocketmail.com [CLNJ_BODs]" <CLNJ...@yahoogroups.com>
>> To: "CLNJ...@yahoogroups.com" <CLNJ...@yahoogroups.com>
>> Cc: clnj_ec clnj_ec <cln...@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 11:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [CLNJ_BODs] Championship well deserved .. but..Points to Ponder
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>> To clarify EC's position. We are not against of any healthy discussion.
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>> If any individual/team raises any general issue(in this case chucking) EC will provide a forum(direct email to EC/followed by AGM discussion) to come up with the solutions.
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>> BODs and EC can come up with solutions based on inputs from all. So please refrain your individual comments for now.
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>> Regards,
>>
>> Sagar
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 23, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Sagar Solat <sagar...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
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>> To all BODs,
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>> Please stop this discussion over the email to BODs. Any further arguments over the email will be treated under CLNJ code of conduct.
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>> You all free to pick up the phone and discuss it offline.
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>> Regards,
>>
>> Sagar
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 23, 2015, at 11:02 AM, Mohammad Khan makh...@yahoo.com [CLNJ_BODs] <CLNJ...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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>>> Navdeep,
>>> I cannot understand why are you trying to hide your identity ? You sounds like a stand up guy from your email.
>>> Regards,
>>> -Akram
>>>
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>>> On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 10:29 AM, "Anuj Sharma anujsh...@yahoo.com [CLNJ_BODs]" <CLNJ...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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>>> Irrespective of the team, I think as a player it is a genuine concern.
>>> I think email is not the right platform, but there should be a voting on this by all the teams.
>>> No one wants to get hurt to a chucked bouncer from 6.5 feet bowler.
>>> --
>>> Sent from myMail app for Android
>>> Wednesday, 23 September 2015, 10:15AM -04:00 from "Mohammad Khan makh...@yahoo.com [CLNJ_BODs]" CLNJ...@yahoogroups.com>:
>>>
>>>>  
>>>> Navdeep,
>>>> Which team are you from?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> -Akram
>>>> MCC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 11:02 PM, "'navd...@yahoo.com' navd...@yahoo.com [CLNJ_BODs]" <CLNJ...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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>>>> Guys,
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>>>> Firstly a heartiest congratulations to Somerset Cavaliers for winning the Trophy this year. They thoroughly deserved it this year. Great batting by Dhaniram and bowling by asad !
>>>>
>>>> Its an admirable effort by a lot of people to keep  professional cricket alive in the US. I appreciate the team owner ( Aslam Bhai) since paying for a unique skill helps to give our kids a reason to play the sport we love so much.
>>>> And for some of us we dont have to save for private school or Harvard just in case (:-
>>>>
>>>> The problem I am raising is an interesting one.
>>>>
>>>> A lot of people witnessed Jermaine Lawsons fiery spell in the finals. Most of them realized that he was not abiding by the rules of the game. He was bowling an illegal delivery and was chucking the ball at a fast pace. 
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>>>> However, I personally do not think it was his problem. If I decide to overstep and bowl from the center of the pitch its the administrators appointed that have to enforce the rule.
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>>>> He was not called out by the umpires or the league officials (EC) on the ground. They may have their reasons but here is the question that needs to be answered -
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>>>> If we have an incident where someone is hurt, who bears the responsiblity ? Both in moral and legal terms. 
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>>>> Is it the umpire - after all they had been paid contractually and did not enforce the rule , endangering someones life? ( exception..there was one stupid umpire that stood out from the herd. Dont know why he took his job seriously  )
>>>>
>>>> Is it the League ? (Take a wild guess)
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>>>> Or, is it the owners  (if applicable) .. 
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>>>> Someone has to take responsibility and say, I will be responsible if something like a Phil Hughes incident happens. Afterall fate didnt email Phil before the ball hit him (:- and the guy was bowling legitimately afterall.
>>>>
>>>> I am a fan of Jermaine and a lot of players on CAVILIERS payroll. But we cannot allow anyone to endanger lives and there needs to be accountability. 
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>>>> There is ample evidence and recordings, in addition to the ones submitted in MCL, clearly showing most balls are illegitimate.
>>>>
>>>> Would like a response from the EC and not people who have a vested interest.
>>>>
>>>> Happy to share pictures and videos of Lawsons bowling action but the intent is to ensure a near incident as in MCL does not happen in CLNJ or elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, great work EC and Umpires this year and to all players.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Navdeep
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[priyesh patel]

Udit can submit his Walgreens/CVS receipt for the Advil he bought after he got hit by Lawson..lol

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