MINIX 3 PowerPC
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tota
Nov 9, 2012, 4:25:39 AM11/9/12
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Hi!
I can run MINIX 3 on P3041DS (https://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/
site/prod_summary.jsp?code=P3041DS)?
The P3041DS is a flexible development system supporting the quad-core
P3041 device. MINIX 3 suppored it?
Thanks
ToTa
I can run MINIX 3 on P3041DS (https://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/
site/prod_summary.jsp?code=P3041DS)?
The P3041DS is a flexible development system supporting the quad-core
P3041 device. MINIX 3 suppored it?
Thanks
ToTa
Erik van der Kouwe
Nov 9, 2012, 4:51:48 AM11/9/12
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Hi,
Currently MINIX only runs on x86, while the ARM port is almost ready. There is no PowerPC port and AFAIK there are currently no plans to make one. However, porting to other platforms should be much easier once the ARM port is completed (and is already much easier than when we started working on it).
With kind regards,
Erik
Op vrijdag 9 november 2012 10:25:44 UTC+1 schreef tota het volgende:
Currently MINIX only runs on x86, while the ARM port is almost ready. There is no PowerPC port and AFAIK there are currently no plans to make one. However, porting to other platforms should be much easier once the ARM port is completed (and is already much easier than when we started working on it).
With kind regards,
Erik
Op vrijdag 9 november 2012 10:25:44 UTC+1 schreef tota het volgende:
tota
Nov 9, 2012, 5:54:27 AM11/9/12
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Erik, thanks your for the answer.
How to check MINIX 3 on compliance, ex. Open POSIX Test Suite (http://
posixtest.sourceforge.net/)
or POSIX Test Suite (http://www.opengroup.org/testing/testsuites/
vsthover.htm)?
Thanks.
P.S.: We (my company) want to try to use MINIX 3 in the projects...
ToTa
How to check MINIX 3 on compliance, ex. Open POSIX Test Suite (http://
posixtest.sourceforge.net/)
or POSIX Test Suite (http://www.opengroup.org/testing/testsuites/
vsthover.htm)?
Thanks.
P.S.: We (my company) want to try to use MINIX 3 in the projects...
ToTa
Niek Linnenbank
Nov 9, 2012, 6:00:30 AM11/9/12
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What about Ingmar Alting's work? I think he made a port to PowerPC of an earlier MINIX:
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Erik van der Kouwe
Nov 9, 2012, 6:15:19 AM11/9/12
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Hi,
I don't really know anything about this work, but I'm afraid that since this was done on a much earlier version of MINIX it would barely be possible to re-use this. OTOH most things one would have to do have already been fixed in master for the ARM port. This includes a clean separation of arch-dependent code, having a libc that is available for many archs, getting rid of the segmentation and having a build system and tool chain suitable for (cross-)compiling for different architectures.
Besides rewriting the assembly files (which should not be a big deal), I think the main remaining issues would be virtual memory (which did not exist in this old version) and drivers for devices used by PowerPC (maybe this part can be carried over, depending on how mature the port was).
With kind regards,
Erik
Op vrijdag 9 november 2012 12:00:32 UTC+1 schreef Niek Linnenbank het volgende:
I don't really know anything about this work, but I'm afraid that since this was done on a much earlier version of MINIX it would barely be possible to re-use this. OTOH most things one would have to do have already been fixed in master for the ARM port. This includes a clean separation of arch-dependent code, having a libc that is available for many archs, getting rid of the segmentation and having a build system and tool chain suitable for (cross-)compiling for different architectures.
Besides rewriting the assembly files (which should not be a big deal), I think the main remaining issues would be virtual memory (which did not exist in this old version) and drivers for devices used by PowerPC (maybe this part can be carried over, depending on how mature the port was).
With kind regards,
Erik
Op vrijdag 9 november 2012 12:00:32 UTC+1 schreef Niek Linnenbank het volgende:
Erik van der Kouwe
Nov 9, 2012, 6:18:46 AM11/9/12
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Hi,
MINIX uses it's own POSIX test set, and if I'm not mistaken there are plans to extend this and/or port some external test sets. An regression testing system based on this is already running I think.
In addition, we now use libc from the NetBSD project, which means that a great deal of this should also apply to MINIX now: http://www.netbsd.org/about/standards.html
With kind regards,
Erik
Op vrijdag 9 november 2012 11:54:31 UTC+1 schreef tota het volgende:
MINIX uses it's own POSIX test set, and if I'm not mistaken there are plans to extend this and/or port some external test sets. An regression testing system based on this is already running I think.
In addition, we now use libc from the NetBSD project, which means that a great deal of this should also apply to MINIX now: http://www.netbsd.org/about/standards.html
With kind regards,
Erik
Op vrijdag 9 november 2012 11:54:31 UTC+1 schreef tota het volgende:
tota
Nov 9, 2012, 10:01:22 AM11/9/12
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Thanks,
Erik, When will be MINIX 3 REAL-TIME is planned?
ToTa
Erik, When will be MINIX 3 REAL-TIME is planned?
ToTa
Erik van der Kouwe
Nov 9, 2012, 11:00:09 AM11/9/12
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Hi,
I've never heard of work being done on this. In general, microkernels are more suitable for building RTOS than monolithic kernels, though I believe hard RTOS require bounds on interrupt latency. MINIX does not provide this as interrupts are not serviced while kernel calls are being made. This is hard to change. AFAIK (but I'm no expert) it should be reasonably easy to change MINIX to a soft RTOS, but again I don't know anyone working on this.
With kind regards,
Erik
Op vrijdag 9 november 2012 16:01:25 UTC+1 schreef tota het volgende:
I've never heard of work being done on this. In general, microkernels are more suitable for building RTOS than monolithic kernels, though I believe hard RTOS require bounds on interrupt latency. MINIX does not provide this as interrupts are not serviced while kernel calls are being made. This is hard to change. AFAIK (but I'm no expert) it should be reasonably easy to change MINIX to a soft RTOS, but again I don't know anyone working on this.
With kind regards,
Erik
Op vrijdag 9 november 2012 16:01:25 UTC+1 schreef tota het volgende:
Yana
Nov 10, 2012, 10:00:02 AM11/10/12
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Hello,
2012/11/9 tota <tota...@yandex.ru>:
http://www.minix3.org/theses/alting-powerpc-port.pdf
I have not used MinixPPC with PowerPC, but formerly I patched
minix-ppc-port-release-1.tgz for ARM, MIPS and GXemul, and startup
banner indicated "MINIX 3.1.3rc1".
http://groups.google.com/group/minix3/browse_thread/thread/576c4c4d54e53dfc
About real-time MINIX, I have not used them, but the following link
mentions "MINIX4RT" and "RTMINIX3".
http://groups.google.com/group/minix3/browse_thread/thread/d8b8f7ac975143af
Thanks,
Yana
2012/11/9 tota <tota...@yandex.ru>:
> I can run MINIX 3 on P3041DS (https://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/
> site/prod_summary.jsp?code=P3041DS)?
MinixPPC seems to be executed on iBook G4.
> site/prod_summary.jsp?code=P3041DS)?
http://www.minix3.org/theses/alting-powerpc-port.pdf
I have not used MinixPPC with PowerPC, but formerly I patched
minix-ppc-port-release-1.tgz for ARM, MIPS and GXemul, and startup
banner indicated "MINIX 3.1.3rc1".
http://groups.google.com/group/minix3/browse_thread/thread/576c4c4d54e53dfc
About real-time MINIX, I have not used them, but the following link
mentions "MINIX4RT" and "RTMINIX3".
http://groups.google.com/group/minix3/browse_thread/thread/d8b8f7ac975143af
Thanks,
Yana
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