Cannot boot Minix 3.3.0 Installation CD

[SepLite]

When attempting to start the CD both default and AHCI mode prints out "at_wini(65553): panic: no matching device found" and "Request 0x700 to RS failed: specific endpoint is not alive (error 215)"

I have 4 GiB of RAM, Intel Core i5 3317U, and 11 GiB of unallocated space. I am not too sure about how to find more specific details about my system, but if it is needed I may be able to find it(might need a little help though)

Any suggestions?

[SepLite]

Update: Starting with AHCI now yields "no CD found" rather than an at_wini panic.

[Max]

is it an ATA/IDE CD/DVD-ROM or connected via USB?

Be aware of missing usb support for x86 platform.

brgds,

Max

[SepLite]

Okay thanks, I will use the (outdated) live USB version, how can I update minix once it is installed?

[r0ller]

Hi SepLite,

I'm afraid this way is not the easiest and may not even be feasible but someone more knowledgeable in this topic may be able to give you some guidance. The problem is, that there was an abi break at 3.3.0 so even if you are able to compile the current kernel on your release -which I guess should be feasible- all the userland stuff must as well be recompiled with the tools built after the abi break which is imho a catch22. At least, that's my understanding of the problem -hopefully not falling too far from reality. If so, I'll also benefit from the answer you get from a more knowledgeable person...

Regards,

r0ller

[Antoine LECA]

On 2015-02-07 17:58Z, SepLite wrote:
> Okay thanks, I will use the (outdated) live USB version, how can I update
> minix once it is installed?

You cannot update later than 3.2.1 (2012), and it is very windy road.

The last official "live USB" version (3.1.2a) is from 2006.
Releases up to 3.1.8 (2009-2011) were still possible to build as USB
live image, but this was barely tested, some are known to be broken, and
anyway those releases were unstable and are not advisable.
All these releases rely on a hack (using 16-bit BIOS as harddisk driver)
which has since been dropped gradually from MINIX, which prevented the
VU team to provide this media.
So you could use this media to install 3.1.2a on your harddisk (provided
it can work in a compatible way: these old releases are not comfortable
with big quantities of memory or file systems like more than 2GB or 4GB,
do not support AHCI, are not used to support many NICs, etc. Also
requires to operate in BIOS mod, so no UEFI or GPT.) Then you could
update to about 3.1.8 or a bit later, following the instructions in
docs/UPDATING (this could need more than intermediate rebuild.) At this
point you will be still using the old boot loader and a.out binaries.
You could then attempt to update beyond the ELF switch-over, then update
to the new boot loader, in the same way we did around 2010-2011; beware,
it was not easy. Then you could follow the updating instruction to
update to a full 3.2.0 release, and then to 3.2.1, following again
docs/UPDATING instructions.

Then there is the 3.3.0 ABI break which explained R0ller, which makes
updating MUCH more complex (and lead to only supporting the installation
from 3.3.0 upwards.)

I do not see the point in doing such a complex work; perhaps you can
receive more useful hints if you explain a bit what are you aiming at?
Do you want to try current MINIX? Do you want to study the book version?
Do you want to study the updating process? Are you interested in some
particular hardware or software feature?

(Answers could be, respectively: VM machine or ARM hardware or
cross-compiling from Linux; VM machine; NetBSD; and asking about it.)


Antoine

[SepLite]

Okay, I see now. My aim is just mainly educational, but I would prefer to try the most current version of Minix. Minix seems to be a good starting point for me since I want to try out a (simpler) command-line environment, and Minix seems to be a good starting point(even though it has X Windows, but it's still mainly CML, right?). Also the machine I want to install Minix on is slightly old and under powered, and a command-line environment would probably work even better than the current Ubuntu with LXDE(Lubuntu Desktop Environment).

From the list of options, I think cross-compiling from Linux would be the best option for me, however I am not that familiar with cross-compiling(or any of this stuff in general as you probably figured  by now) and do not know how to(so could someone give some pointers?Instructions would be nice, but those take time and people have lives).

I do not think NetBSD is a command-line OS as it says it can run Firefox, Adobe Reader, etc. using Linux ports.

From

[SepLite]

Update: I found out that NetBSD is NOT completely graphical, it also uses X Windows like Minix. However, I would still prefer to use Minix if possible

-SepLite

[Sambuc Lionel]

Hello,


Maybe I missed something, but why not simply burn the cdrom ISO and install from the latest developer snapshot?

To upgrade from there to the latest version is easy, and this is the simplest way to install MINIX on a PC.

The latest snapshot has Xorg support, albeit a bit experimental. But if you want to stay on the command-line only, it will work fine.

For reference here is the download page:
http://wiki.minix3.org/doku.php?id=www:download:start

and the developer iso page:
http://download.minix3.org/iso/snapshot/

And the latest developer iso:
http://download.minix3.org/iso/snapshot/minix3_3_0_ide_20141119_65eccd1.iso.bz2


Regards,

Lionel

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[Roc Vallès]

Many machines these days don't have an optical drive. Being able to boot from USB is ideal.

I do have a "workaround" though. Qemu can be given access to the real HD and used to install Minix3, so that it can be then booted baremetal.

There's also drivedroid (android app), which can make Android appear as a USB CDROM, from an image file. But I do not know whether this is enough to get Minix3 install media to boot baremetal.

Regards,
Roc.