Re: Mind's Eye Spirituality
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pol.science kid
May 1, 2012, 12:17:51 PM5/1/12
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Are you the same RP singh who sued Kingfisher airlines for a cancelled flight.
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On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:20 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
As everything is predetermined it follows that everything is done by the spirit , which makes all actions spiritual. But that has no meaning , so we may say that that the word spiritual is obsolete and we should distinguish between good actions and bad actions , good people and bad people , scrupulous people and the unscrupulous. Also the definition of the good and bad changes from clime to clime , but generally the definition of good and bad is universal if you look at it with a humanitarian eye. Thus spirit , being all-encompassing, goes into the background.
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rigsy03
May 2, 2012, 6:57:43 AM5/2/12
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I fail to see how "done" and "actions" mean spiritual rather than
volitional. There may be spiritual/religious or cultural guidelines in
place but often they are masks for what is really happening or being
judged- and by whom? And what makes definitions universal rather than
localized customs? Often the criteria is based on military victory or
other forms of power of one group over the other- this can be seen in
units as small as the family or a slice of society within a larger
framework. As for the "humanitarian eye", I think history sees
otherwise in human behavior. One can trace influences, however, as a
source of predetermination. If a empire or nation is essentially
militaristic and materialistic, one generally finds a great deal of
propaganda to soothe the brute image and reality.//Speaking of eyes,
have you ever played "Ubi"? My friend ordered one since I had given
mine away as gifts- closeout bargains at $5. now as much as $40. and
beyond.
volitional. There may be spiritual/religious or cultural guidelines in
place but often they are masks for what is really happening or being
judged- and by whom? And what makes definitions universal rather than
localized customs? Often the criteria is based on military victory or
other forms of power of one group over the other- this can be seen in
units as small as the family or a slice of society within a larger
framework. As for the "humanitarian eye", I think history sees
otherwise in human behavior. One can trace influences, however, as a
source of predetermination. If a empire or nation is essentially
militaristic and materialistic, one generally finds a great deal of
propaganda to soothe the brute image and reality.//Speaking of eyes,
have you ever played "Ubi"? My friend ordered one since I had given
mine away as gifts- closeout bargains at $5. now as much as $40. and
beyond.
pol.science kid
May 2, 2012, 7:31:35 AM5/2/12
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well i just thought , cos youre from delhi, so could be...
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EverComing
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:26 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
Pol , " RP Singh " is quite a common name and there are thousands of them.
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James
May 2, 2012, 7:52:48 AM5/2/12
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On 5/1/2012 11:50 AM, RP Singh wrote:
> As everything is predetermined it follows that everything is done by the
> spirit , which makes all actions spiritual. But that has no meaning , so
> we may say that that the word spiritual is obsolete and we should
> distinguish between good actions and bad actions , good people and bad
> people , scrupulous people and the unscrupulous. Also the definition of
> the good and bad changes from clime to clime , but generally the
> definition of good and bad is universal if you look at it with a
> humanitarian eye. Thus spirit , being all-encompassing, goes into the
> background.
Spirit in what sense RP? I am compelled to respond but don't want to
> As everything is predetermined it follows that everything is done by the
> spirit , which makes all actions spiritual. But that has no meaning , so
> we may say that that the word spiritual is obsolete and we should
> distinguish between good actions and bad actions , good people and bad
> people , scrupulous people and the unscrupulous. Also the definition of
> the good and bad changes from clime to clime , but generally the
> definition of good and bad is universal if you look at it with a
> humanitarian eye. Thus spirit , being all-encompassing, goes into the
> background.
sound foolish, and not haggling for a definition.
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gabbydott
May 2, 2012, 10:58:51 AM5/2/12
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At the same time, good and bad can mean the opposite to the individual despite the overall validity of good being good and bad being bad. That's why I pledge for the word spirit not to be deleted.
On Tuesday, May 1, 2012 5:50:20 PM UTC+2, RP Singh wrote:
On Tuesday, May 1, 2012 5:50:20 PM UTC+2, RP Singh wrote:
As everything is predetermined it follows that everything is done by the spirit , which makes all actions spiritual. But that has no meaning , so we may say that that the word spiritual is obsolete and we should distinguish between good actions and bad actions , good people and bad people , scrupulous people and the unscrupulous. Also the definition of the good and bad changes from clime to clime , but generally the definition of good and bad is universal if you look at it with a humanitarian eye. Thus spirit , being all-encompassing, goes into the background.
On Tuesday, May 1, 2012 5:50:20 PM UTC+2, RP Singh wrote:
As everything is predetermined it follows that everything is done by the spirit , which makes all actions spiritual. But that has no meaning , so we may say that that the word spiritual is obsolete and we should distinguish between good actions and bad actions , good people and bad people , scrupulous people and the unscrupulous. Also the definition of the good and bad changes from clime to clime , but generally the definition of good and bad is universal if you look at it with a humanitarian eye. Thus spirit , being all-encompassing, goes into the background.
archytas
May 2, 2012, 11:05:40 AM5/2/12
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In terms of RP's accountable spirituality we might understand a duty
to express dissent in the daily details of our actions. We could all
be doing the following, but aren't.
Support the decentralized, non-market economy
Stop participating in financialization
Redefine self-interest to exclude debt-servitude and dependence on
consumerism and the Central State
Act on your awareness that the nature of prosperity and financial
security is changing
Stop supporting distant concentrations of capital that subvert
democracy by using their gargantuan profits to buy the machinery of
State governance and regulation
Stop supporting the debt-and-leverage based financial aristocracy
Transfer your assets out of Wall Street (City of London and offshore)
and into local enterprises or assets that do not enrich and empower
Wall Street.
Refuse to participate in consumerist status identifiers and the social
defeat they create
Vote in every election with an eye on rewarding honesty and truth and
punishing empty promises
Stop supporting inflationary policies such as “money creation” by the
Federal Reserve and Federal deficit borrowing
Become healthy, active and fit
Embrace self-directed coherent plans and construct a resilient,
diverse ecology of identity and meaning
Suitably adapted the above could lead to material conditions of a very
different spirituality. I agree with RP and think we could make what
he says a very practical politics.
On May 2, 2:44 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Spirit in the sense of the Absolute , God or Nature.
to express dissent in the daily details of our actions. We could all
be doing the following, but aren't.
Support the decentralized, non-market economy
Stop participating in financialization
Redefine self-interest to exclude debt-servitude and dependence on
consumerism and the Central State
Act on your awareness that the nature of prosperity and financial
security is changing
Stop supporting distant concentrations of capital that subvert
democracy by using their gargantuan profits to buy the machinery of
State governance and regulation
Stop supporting the debt-and-leverage based financial aristocracy
Transfer your assets out of Wall Street (City of London and offshore)
and into local enterprises or assets that do not enrich and empower
Wall Street.
Refuse to participate in consumerist status identifiers and the social
defeat they create
Vote in every election with an eye on rewarding honesty and truth and
punishing empty promises
Stop supporting inflationary policies such as “money creation” by the
Federal Reserve and Federal deficit borrowing
Become healthy, active and fit
Embrace self-directed coherent plans and construct a resilient,
diverse ecology of identity and meaning
Suitably adapted the above could lead to material conditions of a very
different spirituality. I agree with RP and think we could make what
he says a very practical politics.
On May 2, 2:44 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Spirit in the sense of the Absolute , God or Nature.
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gabbydott
May 7, 2012, 6:01:47 PM5/7/12
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Otherwise known as the learning experience and the feeling that you have developed in its course.
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 5:34 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
Even though everything is predetermined and man is bound to do what he
does by various factors he is accountable for his actions as he has to
bear the consequences of all his acts of omission and commission.
James
May 7, 2012, 8:31:54 PM5/7/12
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I've found the best thing a man can do is work hard and keep his mouth
shut, keeps us out of trouble at home and work. Afraid mine is of little
use here, it is silent and numb to me for the time being. It can be
peaceful, knowing what one has to do, and many thoughts to set aside is
a burden. This might be me signing off for a while, all the ideas here
are very inspiring and disruptive, normally something I cherish.
Be well and godspeed
> > Stop supporting inflationary policies such as �money creation� by the
shut, keeps us out of trouble at home and work. Afraid mine is of little
use here, it is silent and numb to me for the time being. It can be
peaceful, knowing what one has to do, and many thoughts to set aside is
a burden. This might be me signing off for a while, all the ideas here
are very inspiring and disruptive, normally something I cherish.
Be well and godspeed
> > Federal Reserve and Federal deficit borrowing
> > Become healthy, active and fit
> > Embrace self-directed coherent plans and construct a resilient,
> > diverse ecology of identity and meaning
> >
> > Suitably adapted the above could lead to material conditions of a
> very
> > different spirituality. I agree with RP and think we could make what
> > he says a very practical politics.
> >
> > On May 2, 2:44 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com
> > Become healthy, active and fit
> > Embrace self-directed coherent plans and construct a resilient,
> > diverse ecology of identity and meaning
> >
> > Suitably adapted the above could lead to material conditions of a
> very
> > different spirituality. I agree with RP and think we could make what
> > he says a very practical politics.
> >
> > On May 2, 2:44 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com
Lee Douglas
May 9, 2012, 6:59:22 AM5/9/12
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On Tuesday, 1 May 2012 16:50:20 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:
As everything is predetermined it follows that everything is done by the spirit , which makes all actions spiritual. But that has no meaning , so we may say that that the word spiritual is obsolete and we should distinguish between good actions and bad actions , good people and bad people , scrupulous people and the unscrupulous. Also the definition of the good and bad changes from clime to clime , but generally the definition of good and bad is universal if you look at it with a humanitarian eye. Thus spirit , being all-encompassing, goes into the background.
More importantly if everything is predetermined then why even speak of good and bad, scrupulous or unscrupulos?
rigsy03
May 9, 2012, 8:00:17 AM5/9/12
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It is impossible to untangle the dependency as it is re-enforced by
governments and society and completely beyond the power of the
individual- frankly, the aim of power majorities is to disable the
Individual.
> > > foolish, and not haggling for a definition.- Hide quoted text -
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governments and society and completely beyond the power of the
individual- frankly, the aim of power majorities is to disable the
Individual.
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> - Show quoted text -
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rigsy03
May 9, 2012, 8:20:56 AM5/9/12
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Long time- No see! The lure of the doctrine of predetermination is to
pass the buck of responsiblity elsewhere...the Devil made me do it,
etc. It may also reflect a human need to distinguish themselves from
the instinctual behaviors in the other kingdoms of life- from mammals
to the simplest forms- whereas the predator/prey reality, basic needs
of survival and other adaptations to being alive are also present/
active for humans. But if we float a flimsy doctrine that has the
hubris to claim it knows the mind of God/gods, it seems humans
throughout history are dying to believe it's true...literally. Oddly,
there does seem to be forces beyond human control and intent that
"pays the piper" for evil and stupid behavior/choices- we could call
that force God- or Fate- or Justice- or karma?
pass the buck of responsiblity elsewhere...the Devil made me do it,
etc. It may also reflect a human need to distinguish themselves from
the instinctual behaviors in the other kingdoms of life- from mammals
to the simplest forms- whereas the predator/prey reality, basic needs
of survival and other adaptations to being alive are also present/
active for humans. But if we float a flimsy doctrine that has the
hubris to claim it knows the mind of God/gods, it seems humans
throughout history are dying to believe it's true...literally. Oddly,
there does seem to be forces beyond human control and intent that
"pays the piper" for evil and stupid behavior/choices- we could call
that force God- or Fate- or Justice- or karma?
rigsy03
May 9, 2012, 8:24:56 AM5/9/12
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Well, some women are enchanted with the strong, silent type of male,
James. :-)
On May 7, 7:31 pm, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've found the best thing a man can do is work hard and keep his mouth
> shut, keeps us out of trouble at home and work. Afraid mine is of little
> use here, it is silent and numb to me for the time being. It can be
> peaceful, knowing what one has to do, and many thoughts to set aside is
> a burden. This might be me signing off for a while, all the ideas here
> are very inspiring and disruptive, normally something I cherish.
>
> Be well and godspeed
>
> On 5/7/2012 6:01 PM, gabbydott wrote:
>
>
>
> > Otherwise known as the learning experience and the feeling that you have
> > developed in its course.
>
> > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 5:34 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:123...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > Even though everything is predetermined and man is bound to do what he
> > does by various factors he is accountable for his actions as he has to
> > bear the consequences of all his acts of omission and commission.
>
> > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 8:35 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com
James. :-)
On May 7, 7:31 pm, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've found the best thing a man can do is work hard and keep his mouth
> shut, keeps us out of trouble at home and work. Afraid mine is of little
> use here, it is silent and numb to me for the time being. It can be
> peaceful, knowing what one has to do, and many thoughts to set aside is
> a burden. This might be me signing off for a while, all the ideas here
> are very inspiring and disruptive, normally something I cherish.
>
> Be well and godspeed
>
> On 5/7/2012 6:01 PM, gabbydott wrote:
>
>
>
> > Otherwise known as the learning experience and the feeling that you have
> > developed in its course.
>
> > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 5:34 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:123...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > Even though everything is predetermined and man is bound to do what he
> > does by various factors he is accountable for his actions as he has to
> > bear the consequences of all his acts of omission and commission.
>
> > <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > In terms of RP's accountable spirituality we might understand a duty
> > > to express dissent in the daily details of our actions. We could all
> > > be doing the following, but aren't.
>
> > > Support the decentralized, non-market economy
> > > Stop participating in financialization
> > > Redefine self-interest to exclude debt-servitude and dependence on
> > > consumerism and the Central State
> > > Act on your awareness that the nature of prosperity and financial
> > > security is changing
> > > Stop supporting distant concentrations of capital that subvert
> > > democracy by using their gargantuan profits to buy the machinery of
> > > State governance and regulation
> > > Stop supporting the debt-and-leverage based financial aristocracy
> > > Transfer your assets out of Wall Street (City of London and offshore)
> > > and into local enterprises or assets that do not enrich and empower
> > > Wall Street.
> > > Refuse to participate in consumerist status identifiers and the
> > social
> > > defeat they create
> > > Vote in every election with an eye on rewarding honesty and truth and
> > > punishing empty promises
> > > Stop supporting inflationary policies such as money creation by the
> > > In terms of RP's accountable spirituality we might understand a duty
> > > to express dissent in the daily details of our actions. We could all
> > > be doing the following, but aren't.
>
> > > Support the decentralized, non-market economy
> > > Stop participating in financialization
> > > Redefine self-interest to exclude debt-servitude and dependence on
> > > consumerism and the Central State
> > > Act on your awareness that the nature of prosperity and financial
> > > security is changing
> > > Stop supporting distant concentrations of capital that subvert
> > > democracy by using their gargantuan profits to buy the machinery of
> > > State governance and regulation
> > > Stop supporting the debt-and-leverage based financial aristocracy
> > > Transfer your assets out of Wall Street (City of London and offshore)
> > > and into local enterprises or assets that do not enrich and empower
> > > Wall Street.
> > > Refuse to participate in consumerist status identifiers and the
> > social
> > > defeat they create
> > > Vote in every election with an eye on rewarding honesty and truth and
> > > punishing empty promises
James
May 9, 2012, 6:06:47 PM5/9/12
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Many days my song goes 'Swing low..' sung low, slow, vocals only- no
choir. She is more upbeat, Tracy Chapman I think.
choir. She is more upbeat, Tracy Chapman I think.
Lee Douglas
May 10, 2012, 8:28:41 AM5/10/12
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You see RP that also makes little sense to me.
If actions arise from spirit, then how do they loose their spirtual meaning? If it is humanity that falsly see's a division, a duality where in reality none exist then my original question is very relevant. For if all actions arise from spirit then in reality there is no good or bad.
If a man can be unscupulos and then claim his actions as being moved by spirt does he not seek to disengage his self from fault, from blame? This is clearly wrong, as much religious faith holds doing good as the correct thing to do.
On Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:00:18 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:
Since all actions arise from the Spirit, actions lose their spiritual
meaning and we ascribe human meaning to them , that is , good and bad
in relevance to human ethics and not under the authority of religious
scriptures. An unscrupulous man is unscrupulous and determinism
doesn't change anything.
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Lee Douglas
May 11, 2012, 7:54:41 AM5/11/12
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I think RP we are going around and around in a contraditory circle here mate.
If all is predetermined, and spirt has no concept of good or bad, or at least it makes no sense to talk about good and bad and spirit together, then why do good at all? What is the porpouse, what is the spiritual porpouse?
On Thursday, 10 May 2012 16:11:41 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:
When all actions good or bad arise from Spirit there is no sense in
claiming good to be from the spirit and bad from non-spirit , so there
is no sense in calling anything spiritual. But being active agents in
all actions we have the ability to choose those actions which are for
the upliftment of humanity , we can choose to be ethical and not
religious because many sins are committed in the name of religion.
Allan H
May 11, 2012, 8:08:49 AM5/11/12
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ah lee you are learning about RP answers lol
Allan
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gabbydott
May 12, 2012, 12:38:57 PM5/12/12
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Hi Penisboy, let me inform you that our RP never contradicts himself. By nature this is not possible. His our universal story-teller. He will kindly demonstrate how the truth can never contradict what is. RP, the stage is yours ...
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