Justification of God's Violence?
Slip Disc
violence against humanity is justified on account of God's acts of
violence against humanity?
http://www.humanismbyjoe.com/Violence_and_God.htm
What Think?
gabbydott
"Thinketh not and thou shalt be the blossom. Thinketh and thou shalt
not be."
fiddler
true.
1) god is a corrupt and petty little tyrant that enjoys sadism and
random death.
2) There is no god that wants to love and guide the human race and
most actions attributed to him are either random and natural or made
up by people that want to be the "leaders."
Twirlip
Or (4) we just don't "get it" (but then, religious people don't "get
it" either,and should not pretend to do so).
ornamentalmind
that needs the temperance of the additional philosophical praxis for
which you now search. All in due time one would posit. I was late in
life before ‘seriously’ beginning a study of philosophy too. Simple
phrases take on new meaning such as ‘Patience is a virtue.’ … along
with ‘The mind will think anything.’, and my current bumper sticker
“Don’t believe everything you think.” However, "Know thyself." appears
to be the entry albeit from a point of pure humility admitting knowing
nothing.
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edward mason
have a dual purpose and also serve as a warning.
Slip Disc
On Jan 17, 7:41 am, edward mason <masonedward...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thinketh not and thou shalt be the blossom. "Thinketh and thou shalt
> not be. Sounds like the perfect 'Idiot Pill' to me. Then, it could
> have a dual purpose and also serve as a warning.
>
edward mason
who's time is about to expire. Scripture says, "..and I will cause my
Judgement to rest for a light of the people." You don't want to miss
the event, I would think.
iam deheretic
Allan
There's evidence that we've been under a 2000 years Judgement period,
who's time is about to expire. Scripture says, "..and I will cause my
Judgement to rest for a light of the people." You don't want to miss
the event, I would think.
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frantheman
On 17 Jan., 18:34, edward mason <masonedward...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There's evidence that we've been under a 2000 years Judgement period,
> who's time is about to expire.
Evidence? What evidence? I don't mean scriptures or prophesies - you
can find something in this area for almost any statement you care to
make. At most, if you're into that sort of thing, you might refer to
"testimony."
Francis
Pat
On 17 Jan, 17:34, edward mason <masonedward...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There's evidence that we've been under a 2000 years Judgement period,
> who's time is about to expire. Scripture says, "..and I will cause my
> Judgement to rest for a light of the people." You don't want to miss
> the event, I would think.
>
If the Qur'an is correct, no one will miss the event as resurrection
will occur just before that event just SO no one will miss it. The
sequence runs as follows: first, the dead will be resurrected, coming
up from their graves or re-assembled from whatever their demise was,
bursting forth like locusts covering the ground. Then the Sun will
smash against the edge of the universe (in my theory, that's the inner
wall of the medium through which space-time is expanding) and will
atomise and turn red. If one happens to be on the right (meaning:
correct) side of the planet, it will appear as though the Sun has
risen in the West. Then the Moon will smash into it and be split in
two, then atomised. Lastly, the Earth (as this is supposed to happen
during a new moon!) will crash into the barrier ripping the sky
asunder and the last thing we'll see is the mountains atomise and the
oceans spread across the sky. If true, it will be a spectacular thing
to see. And, NO ONE gets to miss it. This, of course, will cause
great consternation for unbelievers and great relief for believers.
On the scientific side of things, whilst all this is, technically,
possible (given my physics), there is absolutely no way to predict it,
as that iner wall of the medium is not visible from any place in space-
time. So...we'll just have to wait and see.
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Ian Pollard
Then the Moon will smash into it and be split in
two, then atomised. Lastly, the Earth will crash into...
[snip...]
This, of course, will cause [snip...] great relief for believers.
http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye/web/o_rly.jpg
I put it to you that that sounds utterly terrifying to *anyone* who isn't heavily sedated. :)
Ian
Pat
On 18 Jan, 17:05, Ian Pollard <ian.poll...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2010/1/18 Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com>
Relief, only insofar as they believed that it would happen, rather
than those who refused to believe such a thing. It would be the
'sign' that they were, in fact, right. As I said, time will
tell...and, if it does happen that way, we'll ALL get to see it. You
can't deny, it WOULD be spectacular.
edward mason
and find gold, does that mean that the gold I find doesn't exist?
Still, what would give you the right to restrict my sources and
resources, and why would even want to?
frantheman
explained what you mean by evidence. Personally, I do not regard any
sort of scriptural "revelation" as evidence. This does not necessarily
mean that it is worthless, just that it isn't evidence. It may be
testimony. If one has high regard for those who give it, it may even
be regarded as reliable testimony or - to continue using precise
definition - expert testimony. But it's not evidence.
Francis
edward mason
forget, is the Hebrew version of the Towel of Babal story. It was the
language that was said to have been affected. The Knowledge continued
to exist in it"s original form. Due to the migrations during the
building of the Towel and after, this Knowledge was disbursed all over
the world. So what you find in the major religions are termed
similarities which are misunderstood and grossly mis- represented.
frantheman
On 18 Jan., 22:18, edward mason <masonedward...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Qur'an is a source of evidence, yes. But the thing there not to
> forget, is the Hebrew version of the Towel of Babal story.
Thanks for clearing something up for me. Given that most experts
regard the name Babel (which is what I presume you mean by Babal
[sic.]) as being a purposeful reference to Babylon, and given that
Babylon is in Iraq, now I know why American forces who have served
there refer to the Iraqis as "towel-heads"!
Francis
edward mason
information as the distances which lie between the sun and earth; the
moon and earth; the times for revolution and rotation of the earth;
etc. etc. There's a star which aligns with a designated shaft in one
Pyramid that a certain star beams its light into during a certain time
of the year - a star strange and unknown to modern science or religion
until the invention of the Hubble telescope. The Builders of these
structures were the same Culture that wrote The Words which I
mentioned to you earlier that were diversified into religions. Built
by a Culture known as Stellar; existing for 125,000 years; until Egypt
was invaded and all the Stellar Priest were killed. The Priest were
the only people in this world who understood the meaning of what has
become scriptures and religions.
That would be my evidence that the Knowledge wasn't changed, but the
language. Then we would have evidence that is also scriptural in part
and in nature. If you are looking for what is really going on, would
you be willing to abandon your search in order to regard all scripture
as non - evident?
edward mason
(1)Nimrod had a system for building societies, governments, religions
and the like. He excelled to the point where he became a real threat
to Power on a phenomenal level. So whoever God is, was said to have
taken it away from him and has used everyone that he has transferred
that knowledge to as his sword against offending nations. Do I need
to tell you the nations which uses that system today? If you'll look
in 1Corinthians 3:10 you'll see where Paul is admitting to be wise in
that system by the statement, "I am a wise masterbuilder." (2) When
you look now in Revelations you find traits that are common to Nimrod
and are notable in your secret societies today. The leopard skin is a
major.
edward mason
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Pat <PatrickDH...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
MJB
the more so, expert testimony) is certainly evidence. If not, please
explain what you mean by testimony.
edward mason
reference to himself; Isaiah 6:9-13 and Matthew 13:9-16. Now if Jesus
laid the foundation for a sword, and Paul built on the foundation that
Jesus laid what could one reasonably expect?
iam deheretic
As for Saul of Taurus well .. sad so sad.. people read and hear just what they want to hear,, not what is said.
Allan
Pat
On 18 Jan, 21:18, edward mason <masonedward...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Qur'an is a source of evidence, yes. But the thing there not to
> forget, is the Hebrew version of the Towel of Babal story. It was the
> language that was said to have been affected. The Knowledge continued
> to exist in it"s original form. Due to the migrations during the
> building of the Towel and after, this Knowledge was disbursed all over
> the world. So what you find in the major religions are termed
> similarities which are misunderstood and grossly mis- represented.
>
I think the moral of that story was that, the structure that leads
to God is not a tower that can can be built but is an internal
structure that employs ONLY that knowledge that, as you say, continues
to exist in its original form.
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Pat
On 18 Jan, 23:32, edward mason <masonedward...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pat, symbolism! Remember, the pure language.
>
Agreed, but there are levels within revelation. There are, according
to Rabbis, 4 ways to interpret every line in the Torah: literal
(Pshat), expounded (Drash), hints (Remez) and secrets (Sod...rhymes
with 'bode'). I expect that the same is true for the Qur'an, assuming
that the author was the same.
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edward mason
- minded as we can while looking again. Let's start again in Isaiah
6:9 -13 and notice this loving God giving specific instructions to go
and blind, deft en, and harden the hearts of the people, because they
have rebelled and are due for the sword which he had promised if they
did not repent. They did not repent according to the records they
kept. So, when we go to Matthew 13:9 -16, we read Jesus explaining
that he came with specific instruction, which he was only carrying
out. I have already mentioned that the New Testament is built on the
sword's principles. Just pay attention to the wording in the New
Testament how it is made to appear as if the people closed their own
eyes as opposed to it being the work of their God. Now if you'll
branch out in study you'll find your other pieces of the puzzle.
Example: Jesus again in, this time Matthew 10:34,35- "Think not that I
come to bring peace upon the world, I came not to bring peace, but a
sword. (35) -For I am come to set a man at variance against his
father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law
against her mother mother in law,..."
Other scripture tells us that it is Eli'jah that brings the hearts of
the children back to the fathers....etc. Do you see?
frantheman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIRb8TigJ28
> > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:45 AM, edward mason <masonedward...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Iam, You may want to start with a Testimony that Jesus gave in
> >> reference to himself; Isaiah 6:9-13 and Matthew 13:9-16. Now if Jesus
> >> laid the foundation for a sword, and Paul built on the foundation that
> >> Jesus laid what could one reasonably expect?
>
> >> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 2:03 PM, iam deheretic <dehere...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > I love the finger pointing when it comes to judgement. Every one is
> >> > right
> >> > about nothing with exclusive information and I am still trying to
> >> > figure
> >> > out the value of this judgement day or period information.
> >> > Allan
>
> >> > On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 6:34 PM, edward mason <masonedward...@gmail.com>
Errol
parking lot of the restaurant at the end of the universe.
When that happens, some say the sun will Spitfire across the Skyline,
Imps will Escort Silver Spirits and Silver Wraithes to the Avenger in
Triumph and the Corona will cause the sun to go Nova
frantheman
it ... :-)
rigsy03
the delicate? What is the justification of man's violence towards man?
"The Last Train From Hiroshima- The Survivors Look Back" By Charles
Pellegrino http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/21/books/21book.html