issues on the non-reflecting mirror

[archytas]

Allan mentioned that there might be nothing in the mirror to see.  Self-recognition in this sense has long been thought specifically human, though chimps can do it.  In many ways we live in a smoke and mirror society of personal image without depth.  Advertising seems a classic example.  Who would want to be an image in this wider mirror?  Gabby said a little on the individual sums of history that make the present - very Feynman in my reading.  No one is stronger than the man who can harness his emotion and his past - very military terminology leading to singing one's own death song and dying like a hero.  We have our own fundamentalist nonsense.  Good self knowledge is easily perverted to Attic tragedy.  This is presumably not what Gabby meant, yet the way most of our literature has gone, along with the bubbles of soap.  There are many mirrors in our society that do not reflect to direct perception.

Mirrors, in a wider scientific sense, collect the signal in the noise.  Sometimes the noise is the signal.  Society seems to have mirrors collecting information and sending out something completely other than data, a form of extra-somatic mind control.  There may be good reasons not to see oneself reflected in this.  Tin foil hats don't seem to help.  The skin reflected in the real mirror is more of a block to any real image of what we are.  We reflect what is being decided outside self, rather than form internal identity in the sense of subjectivity.  The machine is already with us.  Consciousness in important ways is no longer human, but more like an extra-somatic hall of mirrors.

[Gabby]

To me this reads like a letter of complaint to whom it may concern. It now sounds like, hey, I'm throwing in my balls into this mirror cabinet and they are not coming back!

[allan...@gmail.com]

There is nothing in the mirror to see. When you look in a glass reflecting mirror what you see is not a reflection of what is standing in front of the mirror,  rather the judgement hammered home by finally crafted commercials designed tell you what you are seeing. Who your soul is has little or nothing with the reflection in a piece of glass or a selfie..
A more accurate reflection of who we are can be seen online  in programs like Google+ or Facebook or twitter.  Each person's social page are a reflection of who they are. Look at the mirror of the news you see the true reflection of our society. The emphasis on killing  and financial greed..  Where is the acts of kindness? I was raised in a christian  oriented  society where is this being reflected?
What I see is people hiding behind corparate skirts thinking they are protected. Behind these skirts they violate the morality they claim to have. I look at the situation in Greece the question comes to mind are the parties involved interested in helping the people of Greece or protecting  their gold..  Oh I forgot they are the high priests of the Golden Calf Cult.

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

--

---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to minds-eye+...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[allan...@gmail.com]

Sorry Gabby what balls?  You made a comment about the enviorment  and I did respond. Politely also.   What is your problem?

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

-----Original Message-----
From: Gabby <gabb...@gmail.com>
To: mind...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 9:51 AM
Subject: Mind's Eye issues on the non-reflecting mirror

[gabbydott]

Don't see them as problems but as gamification balls, Allan. And thank you for not gabbsing me. :)

You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group.
To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/minds-eye/Z6Vnllg43M8/unsubscribe.
To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to minds-eye+...@googlegroups.com.

[allan...@gmail.com]

No problem, 

[archytas]

No doubt Twirly is more appropriate since Gemini-Gabby was launched.  Balls thrown into the mirror?  Down the twirly spiral dynamic, no doubt.  I was thinking on the external mind, our direction from it and the lack of anything to see as person-dependent mind.. The machine is with us, yet we don't seem to want to know what it tells us beyond the buzzing of crude strokes.  

On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:36:38 AM UTC, Gabby wrote:

Don't see them as problems but as gamification balls, Allan. And thank you for not gabbsing me. :)

2015-02-17 10:05 GMT+01:00 <allan...@gmail.com>:

Sorry Gabby what balls?  You made a comment about the enviorment  and I did respond. Politely also.   What is your problem?

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

-----Original Message-----
From: Gabby <gabb...@gmail.com>
To: mind...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 9:51 AM
Subject: Mind's Eye issues on the non-reflecting mirror

To me this reads like a letter of complaint to whom it may concern. It now sounds like, hey, I'm throwing in my balls into this mirror cabinet and they are not coming back!

--

---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group.

To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to minds-eye+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.

For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

--

---
You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group.
To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/minds-eye/Z6Vnllg43M8/unsubscribe.

To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to minds-eye+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.

[archytas]

It's undoubtedly dire Allan.  It used to be written about in terms of the creation of docile bodies and govern-mentality or governing the soul.  The external mirrors make reality hard to grasp until it comes calling and you find your real problems made invisible in the bright reflections.  We can't even put up actual alternatives without them being sucked into the 'twirly spirals' and the corporate-political money system that is resistant to all alternatives.

To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to minds-eye+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.

[archytas]

The Anglican Church is expressing the view that we are alienated from politics and have lost the ability to open up the big questions and real concerns.  A proper, grown up debate is called for on the kind of country we want to be and the kingdom of God.  We are in danger of becoming a nation of strangers.  This is fine, yet not very constructive on what we need to do.