the greatest philospher of our time

[kenny]

is probably gonna be know as a bunch of celebrities and showoffs. so i am going to go ahead a state myself as the most prominent philosopher of the day. i have argumentive cases and focus on facts, and in the words of Carl Sagan, i can combine observation and theory and prove truth right always by modern science, but only through collective analyzing and polling. so speak! of the current culture in America who is denouncing it properly, as American culture has assuredly become wretched, much proof i have attained.

[Allan H]

Dr Sagan was an extremely intelligent man oddly personally I never considered him a philosopher.. although I have enjoyed his works..   Although I like hearing what some of the top scientific minds have to say..  I do not think that that qualifies them as a philosopher,   like many others he saw christianity mostly as the teachings of Paul  which creates errors..  that does not make it necessarily bad,, just wrong..

how you change it..  that is a difficult problem.. for the simple reason people do not like change especially when it comes to beliefs. It seems they have to be right evenn when they are wrong, that leads to who can shout the loudest as proof they are right..

On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:01 PM, kenny <goatsr...@gmail.com> wrote:

is probably gonna be know as a bunch of celebrities and showoffs. so i am going to go ahead a state myself as the most prominent philosopher of the day. i have argumentive cases and focus on facts, and in the words of Carl Sagan, i can combine observation and theory and prove truth right always by modern science, but only through collective analyzing and polling. so speak! of the current culture in America who is denouncing it properly, as American culture has assuredly become wretched, much proof i have attained.

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Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.

Of course I talk to myself,
Sometimes I need expert advice..

[archytas]

I had his book Cosmos as a kid. Brilliant at the time. Didn't know
he had the religion bug.

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[Francis Hunt]

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" (Carl Sagan, 1980). Sagan was sceptical of all religions and always described himself as agnostic.

Francis Hunt
http://francishunt.blogspot.de/

[Allan H]

good to see you around Francis

[Edward Mason]

It seems to me that the ones that hold the true solutions to the problems of today will not be well liked or easily accepted; They will be few in number, economically deprived and despised for the cutting - rarity of their words and views. The Governments won't like them because they will expose the foundation of their power and blinding effects upon the masses; The masses won't like them because they will be making everything that they already believe, a lie and the greatest deception known to man, extending over thousand of years.

By the words of his lips will the people be Healed and those WORDS will expose the previous belief in the saving-blood as the Abomination which was proclaimed in order to maintain authority and control. Simply a continuation of the Building of the Tower Of Babel. 

[Molly]

Babel, yes.

On May 11, 10:40 am, Edward Mason <masonedward...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It seems to me that the ones that hold the true solutions to the problems
> of today will not be well liked or easily accepted; They will be few in
> number, economically deprived and despised for the cutting - rarity of
> their words and views. The Governments won't like them because they will
> expose the foundation of their power and blinding effects upon the masses;
> The masses won't like them because they will be making everything that they
> already believe, a lie and the greatest deception known to man, extending
> over thousand of years.
>
> By the words of his lips will the people be Healed and those WORDS will
> expose the previous belief in the saving-blood as the Abomination which was
> proclaimed in order to maintain authority and control. Simply a
> continuation of the Building of the Tower Of Babel.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > good to see you around Francis
>

> > On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 11:47 PM, Francis Hunt <francis.h...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" (Carl Sagan, 1980).
> >> Sagan was sceptical of all religions and always described himself as
> >> agnostic.
>

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[Allan H]

very true Molly,,  babwl it is,  what will happen when Edward actually finds ou he has a soul and it controls and guides his life and actions?..

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[Edward Mason]

1000 wise remarks; Cheap and foolish! 1 practical solution; Unheard of!!! Two hears one mouth; speaking 10 times more than listening; Illogical. Who would be surprised that the world remains Deft, Dumb, and Blind? +

The unfounded assumption of what Edward does or does not know, makes the ass look like u not me. +

Sound Knowledge, Perfect Wisdom, and good Understanding; what ever happened to them? They were stolen and buried by the very people that forces the world to think as it does. Refusing all possibilities to form assistance. =

 

Babel to U    

[Allan H]

A

 another Paulist I see,,  lol  ..  contrary to your teachings the Kingdom of God is already here..  sorry you missed it.

Maybe you should start repenting  or what ever you call i now..  As for what you know Edward..  you try to hide in the mystery veils of a fundamentalist.. sorry Edward accepting Jesus as my personal savior doesn't cut it..    No magic formula or are you wishing there is..  well Buddha said one must become selfless.. Jesus said one must become selfless.. 

Make sure your Soul/Body obeys the universal guide line above all do no harm..

[Edward Mason]

Allan, you sound more and more as a person without soul or mind the more you talk. You seem to think it your duty to say some dumb stuff and that in a way to make it appear as if I said it. For example: I don't even think that Jesus died on the cross. I believe that Paul proclaimed his own teachings as that of Jesus after Jesus went into exile, probably to France or India, and lived the remainder of his life with his wife and children. And I think that in a past life you done something so terrible that you have spent multiple lives suffering as a result. And my advise to you would be to keep quit when I speak if you can't do any better than what you've done since I've been speaking on this group, just in case what I say would benefit someone else if it were not for you speaking false-hood and in such a way as if I had said it or believed it myself, because your need would be to end the tormenting cycle and not make it worse.

[archytas]

Nah - Al has soul. He's almost Russian at times! I like Paul Craig
Roberts at the moment. I think he's a bit like rigs' will be when she
discovers the GOP eat small children.

> > On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Edward Mason <masonedward...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> 1000 wise remarks; Cheap and foolish! 1 practical solution; Unheard of!!!
> >> Two hears one mouth; speaking 10 times more than listening; Illogical. Who
> >> would be surprised that the world remains Deft, Dumb, and Blind? +
>
> >> The unfounded assumption of what Edward does or does not know, makes the
> >> ass look like u not me. +
>
> >> Sound Knowledge, Perfect Wisdom, and good Understanding; what ever
> >> happened to them? They were stolen and buried by the very people that
> >> forces the world to think as it does. Refusing all possibilities to form
> >> assistance. =
>
> >> Babel to U
>

> >> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> very true Molly,,  babwl it is,  what will happen when Edward actually
> >>> finds ou he has a soul and it controls and guides his life and actions?..
>

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[Allan H]

Yeah I have a soul  I can assure you that Edward..  at least there sounds like hope for you yet..  Sorry about the fundamentalist..  you were sounding exactly like them and their secretive world accepting Jesus as their personal savior..

I am not a Paulist,,  And my soul has been around a season or soul,,  sorry to disappoint you I have never done anything terribly wrong in any of my past lives..

You are welcome to speak your truth,,  and please include your credentials that give validity to what you have to say..  as for the dumb stuff I am saying that  I am making it look like you said it..  I can assure you ..  I did not steal it from you nor am I trying to imitate you..  so if that is occurring then I would think it is the other way around..  why are you so afraid of me and what I have to say?,

[pathfinder]

Yes, Paul Craig Roberts is on point in his observations as far as I've
read.

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[Allan H]

Just rereading what you said.. it sounds like I am a threat to your apparent secret agenda...   well speak on dear Edward  so I can see what I have stolen from you.. or how I am imitating you..

On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Edward Mason <masoned...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Allan H]

so you are going by Pathfinder now Edward,,    interesting..    don't follow him  bu I do know he was one of the people who helped Reagan set up the economic mess we are  in right now..   but I am not really into economics  am not  really into being part of the golden calf cult..  (I believe Gaby originated that one..)

[RP Singh]

" I am not a Paulist,,  And my soul has been around a season or soul,,  sorry to disappoint you I have never done anything terribly wrong in any of my past lives.. "

How many past lives do you remember , Allan ?

[Allan H]

Never really interested in past lives RP as they are of little interest to me ..  all that matters to me is this life..

[Allan H]

RP why am I supposed to be interested in past lives

On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 11:17 AM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:

[RP Singh]

" I am not a Paulist,,  And my soul has been around a season or soul,,  sorry to disappoint you I have never done anything terribly wrong in any of my past lives.. "

How do you know ? Do you remember your past lives ?

Personally, I don't care about past lives as I don't believe in any.

[Allan H]

I tend to agree with you RP  never did see any importance to past lives..  if there are the only life that is important is the one right now..  over the years I have heard a lot of people tell me who they once were ..  never made any sense

[RP Singh]

"  I have never done anything terribly wrong in any of my past lives.. "

The above seems to suggest  that you not only believe in past lives but remember all your past lives.

[Allan H]

RP it is translated to don't know and am not really interested,, kind of a boring topic..  

[Edward Mason]

Paul Craig Roberts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Very interesting to note! Kind of lead one to the ability to make informed opinions rather than spite the first things out of those mouths that are placed there by soon unseen negative forces which apparently drive some to their very demise.   

[Edward Mason]

"The unfounded assumption of what Edward does or does not know, makes the ass look like u not me. +"

  For example: I don't even think that Jesus died on the cross. I believe that Paul proclaimed his own teachings as that of Jesus after Jesus went into exile, probably to France or India, and lived the remainder of his life with his wife and children.

>>A

  another Paulist I see,,  lol  ..  contrary to your teachings the Kingdom of God is already here..  sorry you missed it.

>>Maybe you should start repenting  or what ever you call i now..  As for what you know Edward..  you try to hide in the mystery >>veils of a fundamentalist.. sorry Edward accepting Jesus as my personal savior doesn't cut it..

>>

 what will happen when Edward actually finds ou he has a soul and it controls and guides his life and actions contrary to your >>teachings the Kingdom of God is already here..  sorry you missed it.

.

" And my advice to you would be to keep quit when I speak if you can't do any better than what you've done since I've been speaking on this group, just in case what I say would benefit someone else if it were not for you speaking false-hood and in such a way as if I had said it or believed it myself, because your need would be to end the tormenting cycle and not make it worse."

>> I can assure you ..  I did not steal it from you nor am I trying to imitate you..  so if that is occurring then I would think it is the other way around..  why are you so afraid of me and what I have to say?

Can you see by this, Allan, why you appear to me as an instrument of evil floating around trying to destroy all potential for good to take root? And why what you are saying is never what I've been saying.

[Allan H]

Mr. Edward Mason,   why are you attacking me personally?  Your teachings??   interesting  when you came  you try to hide behind a mystery veil,  a common tactic in fundamentalist trying to create interest and build their importance.. I have already apologized once I will not do it again.

Actually   For example: I don't even think that Jesus died on the cross. I believe that Paul proclaimed his own teachings as that of Jesus after Jesus went into exile, probably to France or India, and lived the remainder of his life with his wife and children. that is the only one of your beliefs I have read you state..  but go on with  your beliefs  ....  I have no opinion at this point..   are you setting us up to tell us you are a direct lineage of Jesus??   :o)

No I will not take your advice and shut up   then I will continue to be that evil floating around to prevent your teachings from taking root..not sorry about that either  some one has to be the gadfly, lol  I accept the position.. If you think you are alone..  poor RP caught the full bore of the book thumper,  I know he will never believe it I actually like him..  as for Andrew,  Never liked downloading videos but he gives me a transcript so I can read what he has to say,,  he is okay.. not that I agree with him but it is okay for him to see things the way he does, His english speech has improved greatly .. 

As for this group,, they tolerate me for which I am grateful as it allows me to explore different and concepts..  as for concepts,,   one I do not buy is reincarnation you get one go around ..   but then again I have a feeling your and my beliefs and views are far apart.. For your information I do not think you will be able to make Minds Eye your cult....  oops I mean followers..

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[archytas]

Stop picking fights Allan - or I'll set Gabby on you (no - not the
fate worse than death - some friends have named their very large puppy
thus and she could give you a good licking).

There is some scientific back up for RP's previous lives - Monarch
butterflies take three generations to trek from North to South America
so none of them can have memory of the route without some past-life-
genetic help. I have enough troubling memories of this life not to
want to draw on ancestry.

If Edward was running a cult, surely Gabby would already have joined -
she's into cults - or was that Celts. Or was it that I hoped rigs was
into Celts because ... curse being in dotage and such easy false
recall. Anyway, its feather-dusters at 50 paces for you religionists.

There are creatures on this earth that navigate through distant
stars. One suspects we humans are missing something.

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[Edward Mason]

Have it your way, Allan. But know that beliefs do not tailor realities; actions do. We all reap the fruit of the seeds that we plant. My commision is to speak the Words so that they will be heard; never to force one to use or acquire the ability to use common sence.

[Edward Mason]

Have it your way, Allan. But know that beliefs do not tailor realities; actions do. We all reap the fruit of the seeds that we plant. My commision is to speak the Words so that they will be heard; never to force one to use or acquire the ability to use common sence.

On Sunday, May 12, 2013, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Allan H]

and who give you your commission?  

[Allan H]

sorry edward all I have heard is you attack me personally,,  and you have said  nothing else..

[archytas]

I never really understand why people believe in old fables Edward. I
spend plenty of time looking for my misplaced glasses and am too smart
to bother with a mobile phone because I'd lose it (I check emails on
my laptop and Skype from that instead). I don't go looking for lost
arks, fairies at the bottom of the garden or historical figures from
ancient or modern fictional text. Religion is control fraud - not
worth falling out over. Allan forgets this sometimes, but this is
worth ignoring long-term. We all begin in a forgetting, even if we
must find past lives as RP suggests. I haven't got much further than
discovering our collective memories, even if written down, are mostly
wrong. Xtian, Muslim, 8th Day Adventist and Cargo Cultist are all the
same to me - most of us extend courtesy and hospitality beyond 'chosen
people' status. Sometimes we forget. Jesus may have told us to
beware German Protestant women who vote green, or not. The Upanishads
may hold the secret to the treatment of women, or not. Numbers 31 may
be about a great leader, or a war criminal or both. Of course, in
elevating any text to 'fundamental' one certainly denies the notion of
not worshiping false Idols.

On 12 May, 20:47, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> sorry edward all I have heard is you attack me personally,,  and you have
> said  nothing else..
>

> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Edward Mason <masonedward...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Have it your way, Allan. But know that beliefs do not tailor realities;
> > actions do. We all reap the fruit of the seeds that we plant. My commision
> > is to speak the Words so that they will be heard; never to force one to use
> > or acquire the ability to use common sence.
>

> > > On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Edward Mason <masonedward...@gmail.com>

> > >> For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

>
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> > > |_D Allan
>
> > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
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> > > Sometimes I need expert advice..
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[Allan H]

You are very right kenny, but I still to share some insights  a little to much probably.thing o To me it is strange how people react when  then are t;; threatened. I do not see how the reality that one is already living in the kingdom of God. Other than trying to marginalize me. Edward how bout proving that the kingdom of God not here,, something other than you say so. What evidence do you have about your beliefs that Jesus was not crucified.

Matrix  **  th3 beginning light

[gabbydott]

I don't understand what all this fuss is about, Allan, except for this being right thing. And yes, there is times and perspectives and questions that ask for "Am I being right or wrong here?". A totally legitimate question. The cross with its focus on marking the point might give you the orientation you are looking for. I still like the celtic cross with its circular element around the cross better though. Not that this makes or marks any difference in our reality, but in our Wirklichkeit. God's son being mortal put something "new" in focus, but this knowledge about our mortality was not new, only a newly relativizing mainstreaming process began. What you call the Kingdom of God in your Kingdom of William of Orange in the Netherlands! ;)

2013/5/13 Allan H <allan...@gmail.com>

[Allan H]

Gabby Beliefs have nothing to do with any thing as I really do not care what a person believes, in reality I find different beliefs quite interesting. I will probably as some very dumb questions .. Yet It is against group rules at we can not verbally assault another person or their character.. and that my dear is exactly what our friend has done..

[Allan H]

I am sill waiting to hear where or who gave Edward his commission..  and that is a very valid question,,  I am also wondering what his objection  the idea that the kingdom of God is already here which where he likes it or not is already here.

[gabbydott]

What? (Y)our belief system creates/determines (y)our experiences creates/determines (y)our belief system!

[Allan H]

very true,,

[Edward Mason]

Archytas, thanks for those words. Your points well taken. As for where you place your glasses, lol, we tend to forget such things because of the lack of attention at the time of placing such things. If I lay my keys on the table while my attention is focused feeding the dog to get that done so that I may began to study, then by the time I am ready to study I may have no idea where my glasses are.
To be clear, I have no religion. I think that religion is nothing more than a tradition that may or may not have served some higher purpose at the time it began. One of the many problems with traditions is that once they are practiced by a group, they are too hard to change to keep up with any present condition. Not to mention the errors inherent in the first place. Religion is the prime example, as they all come from the misinterpretation of the hieroglyphs. 
Take for instance the, take note of the symbol that we find on all medically associated items such as hospitals and ambulances; that of the two serpents entwined around the sword, with the two wings of the bird at the top from the handle of the sword. This is actually a recipe for cure of disease. For centuries the science behind that knowledge was unknown. However, it was believed that the symbol itself had some healing qualities, so it was adopted into the medical communities. 
The recipe itself is to cut the heads from two snake, filter the poison through the birds, and then consume the birds. So the cure for snake bites was invented into modern society. Only more recently have this science been expanded to include lizards, spiders, and other venomous creatures. The effect of the venom is in reverse when manipulated and is used in a variety of conditions to include heart diseases.  
So a lot of the fables and ancient writings upon which religions are based on, are merely misrepresentations. We are left with trying to make sence and practical use from what we get.

The end to that cycle is a colletive aquasition by individuals in the societies of Correct Knowledge and Wisdom. Those two will Breed Perfect Understanding within the individuals. As these enlightened Ones relate what is termed The Marriage is thus formed. The misinterpretation of this formular is where religions get the teachings of the trinity (triangle) and the 360 degrees (the square).

I will have to finish this message a little later. Sorry! I just wanted to get this little bit out.

[Allan H]

since you have paused I assume it is for questions ..  let me start with the original one 

!: what or where did your commission come from?

2: how do you filter the poison through the birds so you can can consume them?  (short version)

3: What are the ancient writing you refer to? and where are they. I would like to examine them..

4: Where is this correct knowledge and wisdom?

5: What is the correct formula for the triangle? and the 360 degrees (square)?

I am awaiting answers?     but some how I don't think I will get them..

[pathfinder]

In effort to begin where I left off, Archytas, it is a good thing that
you don't waste your time in search of any of the artifacts listed in
any of the first five books of the Torah, the first five books of the
Old Testament . These books were written as allegorical to simplify
the Laws inherent in reaching the formation of the triangle
(Knowledge, Wisdom, and Understanding). They describe the battle and
the journey each individual faces in that process. They also simplify
the Spiritual Laws of ancient Egypt from the more than 40 Laws to the
10, which were later broken down again by Jesus to 2.




As for the teachings of Jesus ( which was not his name), we should
should note that what we got as his teachings were instituted by Paul.
Jesus spoke in parables to all except his disciple, explicitly for the
purpose that the people would not get it. Then the disciple were
either killed or exiled within 70 years after Jesus left the scene and
the writings which they left were burned and forbidden. It should also
be noted that Jesus told of this theft in a parable where the keepers
of the vineyard killed the son and claimed his inheritance. Daniel
also spoke of it when he mentioned the Proclamation that would be set
up which would defy The very Laws that would elevate humanity; ( bring
blood into the temple).




To get more reasoning to this scenario one could compare Isaiah
6:9-13; and Matthew 13:10-17; and 34:10. You will see one difference
in Isaiah and Matthew, where Isaiah said you go and blind them making
them hard-hearted and deft. But in Matthew these writers wrote as if
the people done it to themselves. This should not be surprising given
the intentions involved.




This would place us in our present state; in the furnish were we would
be purified by the flames of judgement. Our only hope is to attain the
right state in regard to the Laws regardless who or what we recognize
as God, the controlling forces of doing good or bad. It is not even
necessary that one believe in a god as long as they can arrive at a
state where they recognize and respect the powers of this force and
the need to respect their fellow man as himself. But somehow this is
just too simple. Man tends to need it more complicated or he is
tempted by the benefits of keeping such knowledge from the people.

> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > very true,,
>

> > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:56 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> What? (Y)our belief system creates/determines (y)our experiences
>
> creates/determines (y)our belief system!
>

> >> Am 13.05.2013 12:43 schrieb "Allan H" <allanh1...@gmail.com>:
>
> >>> Gabby Beliefs have nothing to do with any thing as I really do not care
>
> what a person believes, in reality I find different beliefs quite
> interesting. I will probably as some very dumb questions .. Yet It
> is against group rules at we can not verbally assault another person or
> their character.. and that my dear is exactly what our friend has done..
>

> >>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:15 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> I don't understand what all this fuss is about, Allan, except for this
>
> being right thing. And yes, there is times and perspectives and questions
> that ask for "Am I being right or wrong here?". A totally legitimate
> question. The cross with its focus on marking the point might give you the
> orientation you are looking for. I still like the celtic cross with its
> circular element around the cross better though. Not that this makes or
> marks any difference in our reality, but in our Wirklichkeit. God's son
> being mortal put something "new" in focus, but this knowledge about our
> mortality was not new, only a newly relativizing mainstreaming process
> began. What you call the Kingdom of God in your Kingdom of William of
> Orange in the Netherlands! ;)
>

> >>>> 2013/5/13 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>

>
> >>>>> You are very right kenny, but I still to share some insights  a
>
> little to much probably.thing o To me it is strange how people react when
> then are t;; threatened. I do not see how the reality that one is already
> living in the kingdom of God. Other than trying to marginalize me. Edward
> how bout proving that the kingdom of God not here,, something other than
> you say so. What evidence do you have about your beliefs that Jesus was not
> crucified.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

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[Allan H]

How do you arrive at pathfinder..????

when are you going to answer the 5 questions I asked...   

so you are now into the ancient laws of Egypt?

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[gabbydott]

I'll help you out of your gravity box, my earthling friend, by giving away a secret:

the sun, the moon and the stars have not been designed to wait until you hear the matching results!

2013/5/14 Allan H <allan...@gmail.com>

[pathfinder]

These governing Laws are really not a threat, per se.  We retain
choice in
the matter. Like the laws of gravity, we can chose to leap from height
with
or without some apparatus which would prevent us from a violation
thereof.
So any teachings of their existence  and how to survive in harmony
with
them is more of a favor than a threat or a command,

> > > very true,,

>
> > > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:56 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> What? (Y)our belief system creates/determines (y)our experiences
>
> > creates/determines (y)our belief system!
>

> > >> Am 13.05.2013 12:43 schrieb "Allan H" <allanh1...@gmail.com>:
>
> > >>> Gabby Beliefs have nothing to do with any thing as I really do not care
>
> > what a person believes, in reality I find different beliefs quite
> > interesting. I will probably as some very dumb questions .. Yet It
> > is against group rules at we can not verbally assault another person or
> > their character.. and that my dear is exactly what our friend has done..
>

> > >>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:15 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>> I don't understand what all this fuss is about, Allan, except for this
>
> > being right thing. And yes, there is times and perspectives and questions
> > that ask for "Am I being right or wrong here?". A totally legitimate
> > question. The cross with its focus on marking the point might give you the
> > orientation you are looking for. I still like the celtic cross with its
> > circular element around the cross better though. Not that this makes or
> > marks any difference in our reality, but in our Wirklichkeit. God's son
> > being mortal put something "new" in focus, but this knowledge about our
> > mortality was not new, only a newly relativizing mainstreaming process
> > began. What you call the Kingdom of God in your Kingdom of William of
> > Orange in the Netherlands! ;)
>

> > >>>> 2013/5/13 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>

>
> > >>>>> You are very right kenny, but I still to share some insights  a
>
> > little to much probably.thing o To me it is strange how people react when
> > then are t;; threatened. I do not see how the reality that one is already
> > living in the kingdom of God. Other than trying to marginalize me. Edward
> > how bout proving that the kingdom of God not here,, something other than
> > you say so. What evidence do you have about your beliefs that Jesus was not
> > crucified.
>
> > >>>>> Matrix  **  th3 beginning light
>

> > Jesus after...
>
> read more »

[Edward Mason]

I'm not sure what I've done here: I had made a couple of post on which I seem to have changed the subject So I've tried to correct this by coping the messages and pasting the under the original topic and removing the ones under the "no Subject thread. 

> > very true,,
>

> > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:56 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> What? (Y)our belief system creates/determines (y)our experiences
>
> creates/determines (y)our belief system!
>

> >> Am 13.05.2013 12:43 schrieb "Allan H" <allanh1...@gmail.com>:

>
> >>> Gabby Beliefs have nothing to do with any thing as I really do not care
>
> what a person believes, in reality I find different beliefs quite
> interesting. I will probably as some very dumb questions .. Yet It
> is against group rules at we can not verbally assault another person or
> their character.. and that my dear is exactly what our friend has done..
>

> >>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:15 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> I don't understand what all this fuss is about, Allan, except for this
>
> being right thing. And yes, there is times and perspectives and questions
> that ask for "Am I being right or wrong here?". A totally legitimate
> question. The cross with its focus on marking the point might give you the
> orientation you are looking for. I still like the celtic cross with its
> circular element around the cross better though. Not that this makes or
> marks any difference in our reality, but in our Wirklichkeit. God's son
> being mortal put something "new" in focus, but this knowledge about our
> mortality was not new, only a newly relativizing mainstreaming process
> began. What you call the Kingdom of God in your Kingdom of William of
> Orange in the Netherlands! ;)
>

> >>>> 2013/5/13 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>

>
> >>>>> You are very right kenny, but I still to share some insights  a
>
> little to much probably.thing o To me it is strange how people react when
> then are t;; threatened. I do not see how the reality that one is already
> living in the kingdom of God. Other than trying to marginalize me. Edward
> how bout proving that the kingdom of God not here,, something other than
> you say so. What evidence do you have about your beliefs that Jesus was not
> crucified.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>>> Matrix  **  th3 beginning light
>

> >>>>>> > > doesn't cut it.....
>
> read more »

[James]

I have also noticed unusual behavior in my mail client on this group, it seems that Abualghazzali's post contains an errant negative latency of roughly 20 days originating from a timezone 5.4 years into the future:

Received: by 10.194.158.37 with SMTP id wr5csp38339wjb;
        Fri, 10 May 2013 10:26:32 -0700 (PDT)

Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 02:58:40 +47402

If we compare this with one from Allan for example we find a marginal latency of 3 seconds.

Received: by 10.194.137.144 with SMTP id qi16csp18840wjb;
        Wed, 15 May 2013 09:30:51 -0700 (PDT)

Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 18:30:47 +0200

The result I suppose will be that I will be reminded about death until May 30th on which date someone here will get one up on it and be demoted from it's prominent position at the top of my date sorted folder... ? *chuckle

Now that you mention it Edward a very important and private discussion is also in my minds-eye folder at this moment and it is a little unnerving to think it might be public as we speak. o.0 [expletive]

I'm afraid to check!

[Allan H]

start a new subject post.. is the easiest way   just send an email directly to the group rather than reply

[Edward Mason]

Finally, this appears more like the original thread in this discussion.

> --
>  (
>   )
> |_D Allan
>
> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> Of course I talk to myself,
> Sometimes I need expert advice..
>

[Allan H]

discussions always weave in and out.. 

[archytas]

I can only say whatever happens on timing and the rest is some
automated glitch thingy. I haven't seen any personal emails emerge in
the group so far James. We'd have to contact google if that happens.

On 16 May, 20:57, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> discussions always weave in and out..
>

> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Edward Mason <masonedward...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Finally, this appears more like the original thread in this discussion.
>

> > On Thursday, May 16, 2013, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > start a new subject post.. is the easiest way   just send an email
> > directly to the group rather than reply
>

> > > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 2:00 AM, Edward Mason <masonedward...@gmail.com>

> > wrote:
>
> > > I'm not sure what I've done here: I had made a couple of post on which I
> > seem to have changed the subject So I've tried to correct this by coping
> > the messages and pasting the under the original topic and removing the ones
> > under the "no Subject thread.
>

> > > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 7:48 PM, pathfinder <masonedward...@gmail.com>

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