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LMcCain
Jan 27, 2011, 8:31:31 AM1/27/11
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The first thing I want to say is…I brought this on myself.
I have four 9-month-old Lakie pups at home. They have been pretty
good so far – coming in when called – running full speed to come in,
sitting to be petted, being sweet pups from whom not much was expected
as I was very busy with work and school. I didn’t do enough with
them.
Last week, the pups stopped coming in when Scott called. Even Tango
wouldn’t come in when he called. I would call and they would come
running in.
On Monday, Emmett refused to come in. I called, I went outside and he
wouldn’t let me anywhere near him – he ran circles around me, play
bowed and bounced out of reach, etc. He was having a grand old time
and I had to get to work. It wasn’t bitterly cold out – in the 20’s,
so I just left him outside and I went to work. I was 20 minutes late
for work. Melissa was able to get him in later, but it wasn’t easy
for her either. She wanted to let her dogs out and was afraid Brownie
was going to eat him. Since then, Emmett has been going out on a
line, tied. He can’t run and play any more. He comes in when called
willingly or unwillingly…mostly unwillingly. But he is coming along.
This morning, the girls decided they didn’t have to come in either.
Chanti and Christy were having fun playing in the snow and they
couldn’t be bothered with coming in. I didn’t try to catch them as
hard as I did with Emmett. I went out and when they wouldn’t come to
me, I turned around and left. They are still outside. Now I have to
figure out what to do with them.
Annie is still coming in when called, but I am afraid her turn is
next. At 9 months old, these pups are feeling their oats and wanting
more independence. It will be difficult to tie them all out in the
mornings, but I just may have to do that until they decide that come
means come.
Either that or taxidermy...or find someone who just feels like
training pups and would love the challenge…
Lynn
I have four 9-month-old Lakie pups at home. They have been pretty
good so far – coming in when called – running full speed to come in,
sitting to be petted, being sweet pups from whom not much was expected
as I was very busy with work and school. I didn’t do enough with
them.
Last week, the pups stopped coming in when Scott called. Even Tango
wouldn’t come in when he called. I would call and they would come
running in.
On Monday, Emmett refused to come in. I called, I went outside and he
wouldn’t let me anywhere near him – he ran circles around me, play
bowed and bounced out of reach, etc. He was having a grand old time
and I had to get to work. It wasn’t bitterly cold out – in the 20’s,
so I just left him outside and I went to work. I was 20 minutes late
for work. Melissa was able to get him in later, but it wasn’t easy
for her either. She wanted to let her dogs out and was afraid Brownie
was going to eat him. Since then, Emmett has been going out on a
line, tied. He can’t run and play any more. He comes in when called
willingly or unwillingly…mostly unwillingly. But he is coming along.
This morning, the girls decided they didn’t have to come in either.
Chanti and Christy were having fun playing in the snow and they
couldn’t be bothered with coming in. I didn’t try to catch them as
hard as I did with Emmett. I went out and when they wouldn’t come to
me, I turned around and left. They are still outside. Now I have to
figure out what to do with them.
Annie is still coming in when called, but I am afraid her turn is
next. At 9 months old, these pups are feeling their oats and wanting
more independence. It will be difficult to tie them all out in the
mornings, but I just may have to do that until they decide that come
means come.
Either that or taxidermy...or find someone who just feels like
training pups and would love the challenge…
Lynn
Sara Peterka
Jan 27, 2011, 9:09:02 AM1/27/11
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So, whattcha gunna do ta fix it?
Leaving it will fester and infect the rest of your relationship.
That's a pretty significant lesson for those pups to learn, if they don't listen and play games, they get to have more free time.
Sara
Rubyanna Skrede
Jan 27, 2011, 9:09:27 AM1/27/11
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How funny Lynn...(not ha-ha). Just last night in class we dealt with that very problem for many.. Pat showed the 'Wait' training. Boy do you need it, huh. The one she teaches without lines! That is a tough one when you don't have time. Good luck.
Quansa's Nanny **************************************** Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, Airedale in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride!
Quansa's Nanny **************************************** Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, Airedale in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride!
Holly Tulin
Jan 27, 2011, 10:53:51 AM1/27/11
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Ruby, I don’t know the Wait training without lines. Please explain!
Holly
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LH
Jan 27, 2011, 11:04:14 PM1/27/11
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Lynn,
Why don't you at least send everyone out dragging 25 ft. long lines?
You won't need
to tie, but you'll be able to step on a line as it goes by. That way,
no game playing and
noone struggles with the dogs. At least you will stop making this bad
and sometimes dangerous
habit worse. We all struggle with finding time to train, but when the
chips are down, like they
are now for these pups, carving out a few minutes per day to add in
training sessions for each
pup is a must. "Catch me if you can" and bolting are terrible
terrible problems that would make
life difficult for future owners.
Lisa
Why don't you at least send everyone out dragging 25 ft. long lines?
You won't need
to tie, but you'll be able to step on a line as it goes by. That way,
no game playing and
noone struggles with the dogs. At least you will stop making this bad
and sometimes dangerous
habit worse. We all struggle with finding time to train, but when the
chips are down, like they
are now for these pups, carving out a few minutes per day to add in
training sessions for each
pup is a must. "Catch me if you can" and bolting are terrible
terrible problems that would make
life difficult for future owners.
Lisa
Janis Moore
Jan 28, 2011, 12:11:20 PM1/28/11
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I agree with Lisa, dragging the lines is a great idea and just a few
minutes a day could make a major difference.
There are days when Cassidy needs a bit of guidance, she has so much
energy and so excited to learn, that I put her on a line just for the
control and tie her out to take a break. It takes less than 5 minutes
for her to get it and calm down.
I cannot say enough about how important the training is that Cassidy
got as a young dog. Her wait is always good. She will pay attention to
my here command; but the wait is totally dependable all the time.
Janis
minutes a day could make a major difference.
There are days when Cassidy needs a bit of guidance, she has so much
energy and so excited to learn, that I put her on a line just for the
control and tie her out to take a break. It takes less than 5 minutes
for her to get it and calm down.
I cannot say enough about how important the training is that Cassidy
got as a young dog. Her wait is always good. She will pay attention to
my here command; but the wait is totally dependable all the time.
Janis
Rubyanna Skrede
Jan 28, 2011, 1:12:36 PM1/28/11
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Don't want to go into it here on line. I said that because I thought Lynn had seen it and just wanted to remind her. You really need to see Pat do it some day. To hard to explain and it is good training info. If Pat want's to put it on line that is her choice. I don't feel it is place to give out free training info of Pat's.
Quansa's Nanny **************************************** Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, Airedale in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride!
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Subject: RE: Teenager Pups
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:53:51 -0700
LMcCain
Jan 28, 2011, 9:11:15 PM1/28/11
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Yes, I know that one. Sara told me to do the same thing - off
line. :-) I haven't had a chance to do that yet, but I do plan on it
once I have the time to follow it through. It isn't something to
start if you don't have time to finish. In the meantime, I have the
dogs tied outside instead of running loose. Only Tango and Annie
still have freedom privileges. If Annie starts to show signs of not
coming when called, she'll lose her freedom, too. For now, though,
she is running in with Tango just fine.
Lynn
On Jan 28, 1:12 pm, Rubyanna Skrede <adal...@msn.com> wrote:
> Don't want to go into it here on line. I said that because I thought Lynn had seen it and just wanted to remind her. You really need to see Pat do it some day. To hard to explain and it is good training info. If Pat want's to put it on line that is her choice. I don't feel it is place to give out free training info of Pat's.
>
> Quansa's Nanny **************************************** Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, Airedale in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride!
>
line. :-) I haven't had a chance to do that yet, but I do plan on it
once I have the time to follow it through. It isn't something to
start if you don't have time to finish. In the meantime, I have the
dogs tied outside instead of running loose. Only Tango and Annie
still have freedom privileges. If Annie starts to show signs of not
coming when called, she'll lose her freedom, too. For now, though,
she is running in with Tango just fine.
Lynn
On Jan 28, 1:12 pm, Rubyanna Skrede <adal...@msn.com> wrote:
> Don't want to go into it here on line. I said that because I thought Lynn had seen it and just wanted to remind her. You really need to see Pat do it some day. To hard to explain and it is good training info. If Pat want's to put it on line that is her choice. I don't feel it is place to give out free training info of Pat's.
>
> Quansa's Nanny **************************************** Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, Airedale in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride!
>
> From: redr...@aol.com
> To: mim-dog-training-...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Teenager Pups
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:53:51 -0700
>
> Ruby, I don’t know the Wait training without lines. Please explain!
>
> Holly
>
> To: mim-dog-training-...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Teenager Pups
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:53:51 -0700
>
> Ruby, I don’t know the Wait training without lines. Please explain!
>
> Holly
>
> From: mim-dog-training-...@googlegroups.com [mailto:mim-dog-training-...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rubyanna Skrede
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:09 AM
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> Subject: RE: Teenager Pups
>
> How funny Lynn...(not ha-ha). Just last night in class we dealt with that very problem for many.. Pat showed the 'Wait' training. Boy do you need it, huh. The one she teaches without lines! That is a tough one when you don't have time. Good luck.
>
> Quansa's Nanny **************************************** Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, Airedale in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride!
>
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>
> How funny Lynn...(not ha-ha). Just last night in class we dealt with that very problem for many.. Pat showed the 'Wait' training. Boy do you need it, huh. The one she teaches without lines! That is a tough one when you don't have time. Good luck.
>
> Quansa's Nanny **************************************** Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, Airedale in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride!
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rikki
Jan 29, 2011, 6:16:03 PM1/29/11
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Hi Lynn
The stock whip by the back door really improves Rikki's hearing if she's too busy to 'come'. We just have to tap it on the ground. While it's not been used on her, she has a lot of respect for it - not fear - she comes right up to us when we have it in our hand. Initially, when she was younger, we went after her and hit it on the ground when she didn't 'come'.. It doesn't compromize a command like 'wait' if they won't, it just reinforces 'come.' It doesn't happen often, but every once in a while she needs her hearing sharpened. She is obedient, but she is a Lakie and every now and again she tries.
Works for us.......
Marg
Holly Tulin
Jan 29, 2011, 6:50:16 PM1/29/11
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Marg, I was grinning when I read your posting. I keep an old dressage whip by the back door for exactly the same reason. I rarely have to hit the ground with it, though—just picking it up usually does the trick. Those evil little Wires of mine know I’m not foolin’ around when I pick it up, even though the most that ever happens is that I touch one of them with it gently.
The idea of the whip works with the dogs just like it did with the horses—makes my reach a whole lot longer than they expect, and they always think that reach is far longer than the actual end of the extended whip.
It works very much like having a second long line on the dog does—they think you have magical powers to be able to touch them from way over THERE!
Holly
LMcCain
Jan 29, 2011, 9:42:14 PM1/29/11
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This evening something happened that made me go Whew!!!
Willie is tied out front on a cable made for a 100# dog. I noticed
this morning that the plastic had broken, but the wire cable was fine,
so I didn't worry about it. After all, he isn't going to break a
metal cable!
This evening, Scott let him in and he came running in ... dragging a
4' piece of cable! He was loose out in the front of the house - no
fence...on a road that people drive by at 60 mph. He's been tied
out there for quite a while and he usually just does his business then
comes back to the door and jumps at it to let us know he wants in. He
usually has to wait a while before we actually let him in. This
evening was no different. The piece of cable dragging let him believe
that he was still tied and he knows the limits of the cable, so he
apparently never tested it.
I'm just glad he was still there!
Lynn
On Jan 29, 6:50 pm, "Holly Tulin" <redr...@aol.com> wrote:
> Marg, I was grinning when I read your posting. I keep an old dressage whip
> by the back door for exactly the same reason. I rarely have to hit the
> ground with it, though-just picking it up usually does the trick. Those
Willie is tied out front on a cable made for a 100# dog. I noticed
this morning that the plastic had broken, but the wire cable was fine,
so I didn't worry about it. After all, he isn't going to break a
metal cable!
This evening, Scott let him in and he came running in ... dragging a
4' piece of cable! He was loose out in the front of the house - no
fence...on a road that people drive by at 60 mph. He's been tied
out there for quite a while and he usually just does his business then
comes back to the door and jumps at it to let us know he wants in. He
usually has to wait a while before we actually let him in. This
evening was no different. The piece of cable dragging let him believe
that he was still tied and he knows the limits of the cable, so he
apparently never tested it.
I'm just glad he was still there!
Lynn
On Jan 29, 6:50 pm, "Holly Tulin" <redr...@aol.com> wrote:
> Marg, I was grinning when I read your posting. I keep an old dressage whip
> by the back door for exactly the same reason. I rarely have to hit the
> evil little Wires of mine know I'm not foolin' around when I pick it up,
> even though the most that ever happens is that I touch one of them with it
> gently.
>
> The idea of the whip works with the dogs just like it did with the
> horses-makes my reach a whole lot longer than they expect, and they always
> even though the most that ever happens is that I touch one of them with it
> gently.
>
> The idea of the whip works with the dogs just like it did with the
> think that reach is far longer than the actual end of the extended whip.
>
> It works very much like having a second long line on the dog does-they think
>
Pat Muller
Jan 30, 2011, 9:58:41 AM1/30/11
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Hi Lynn
That's why I usually tie young dogs with a chain. Lakies are
survivors. And that means they will do what is necessary to break
bonds that prevent them from having control of their situation.
It is nice to know that Emmett is a normal, genuine, real live
Lakeland Terrier and true to his breed characteristics.
Don't ya just love
it!!!!!
Pat
LMcCain
Jan 30, 2011, 7:14:52 PM1/30/11
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It wasn't Emmett - it was Willie! Willie has never chewed a leash or
really pulled on it at all. We have a crack in the wood at the corner
of the porch where the line gets snagged sometimes. The only thing I
can think of is it caught in there and with it being so cold, the
metal was brittle and it snapped. I'm just so surprised that the
metal cable broke. If it were Emmett, he probably wouldn't have been
at the door...
Willie is VERY respectful of lines and he doesn't pull at all.
Speaking of Emmett, he is getting much better. He is running in now
when called. He is still tied, but he is coming in when called now.
He has also learned to sit to get his leash put on and off. He
doesn't like to stay seated, but he does sit and is getting better at
waiting until I tell him it is ok to go out.
Lynn
really pulled on it at all. We have a crack in the wood at the corner
of the porch where the line gets snagged sometimes. The only thing I
can think of is it caught in there and with it being so cold, the
metal was brittle and it snapped. I'm just so surprised that the
metal cable broke. If it were Emmett, he probably wouldn't have been
at the door...
Willie is VERY respectful of lines and he doesn't pull at all.
Speaking of Emmett, he is getting much better. He is running in now
when called. He is still tied, but he is coming in when called now.
He has also learned to sit to get his leash put on and off. He
doesn't like to stay seated, but he does sit and is getting better at
waiting until I tell him it is ok to go out.
Lynn
Sara Peterka
Jan 31, 2011, 7:34:47 AM1/31/11
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I have used those cable type tie outs before and had the same problem. Once the coating comes off the metal has been stressed (like bending a wire back & forth to break it). The coating is your indication the metal is ok. Likely it wasn't pulling that broke the wire but pacing or spinning. I'm sure Willie knew he was loose, he would have felt it let loose as I'm sure there would have been a little tension on the line to get it to break. You are lucky ;-)
Sara
LH
Jan 31, 2011, 2:26:58 PM1/31/11
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Lynn,
Are you doing something now to reward the recall each time?
If the dogs have figured out that coming in means something negative
(put away into crates for long, boring hours, for
example... not that this is bad- it is reality for many of our dogs),
what is the good thing that gets attached to coming
when called? Are you doing recalls for "fun" and then sending the
dogs back out?
I know time is precious.
Lisa
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