Mark Belling should be taken off the airwaves
Ed Mercier
divide our communities, and people should stand up and insist he be
taken off the air. For three days he has called Democrats liars,
cheats, and basically every offensive name in the book. Half of
Wisconsin voted for Gore as did half vote for Bush. For a talking head
to be free to insult, castigate, and alienate half of the state is
unwarranted. He ends up pitting neighbor against neighbor. It is not
just the presidential election either. Most of his positions are thinly
veiled racism in action, and it is the last thing that Milwaukee needs..
I don't care if his program is popular. Watching public executions
would be popular too, that doesn't mean it is right. Anyone who
advertises on Bellings show is encouraging this self important,
hate-monger to continue to divide our city and suburbs. I will be
mailing letters to those advertisers telling them I will boycott their
business, and I will ask others to do so as well. I recommend others do
the same. This is the first step in pulling this city back together.
hexa...@my-deja.com
> I suggest that you have your medications evaluated. Your semi-
hysterical tirade, if serious, indicates serious emotional problems.
Do you actually dream of a City or community united in some sort of
Rainbow coalition? Never. People leave the City simply to get away from
negroes and hispanics. They will talk of betters schools,etc., but we
all know better their major motivation.
For your next project you should consider having Nordstroms or Neiman-
Marcus opening units in Northridge Mall.
Will
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Kevin Thomas
to Clinton.
Dr. Hannibal, M.S., Psy.D.
offensive name in the book". I once listen to Belling's spill and was quite
impressed by the number of locals who I had learned listen to his rashings
on a daily basis. I found him to be quite rude and most arrogant. Here's
what I did next. I CHANGED THE STATION and never listened to his show again.
One thing growing in America today, and quite certain to be your downfall,
is the yearning of a great percent of both youth and adult audiences of
trash television and radio shows. Look for instance, take "The Jerry
Springer Show". A doctor at a covention in New York City had told me that
when surveyed recently at the New York State Hospital last year, 91% of
juveniles ages 11-17 involved in violent crimes had said that they were
"addicted" viewers of this program.
HOWEVER, on your; <"I will be mailing letters to those advertisers
telling them I will boycott their
business, and I will ask others to do so as well. I recommend others do
the same. This is the first step in pulling this city back together."> Are
we now to censor freedom of speech?
I see America as not only dividing, it is an entire nation that has fallen
to deception as well. Look at those poor children in New York. I was told at
the convention there that a 15 year old was hospitalized for stabbing her
infant sister and mother to death with a garden hoe while on Ecstasy she
received at a "rave" party. Must have been a rather untidy crime scene for
the police. Two officers are also being treated as well for job related
stress.
Perhaps what we all can learn from Belling and his like without taking away
THEIR RIGHTS, is simple. Change the station. And of course, where are the
children? Begging for guidance in the room next to you right now perhaps
watching the likes of Springer.
H.L.
Rick Miller
> HOWEVER, on your; <"I will be mailing letters to those advertisers
>telling them I will boycott their
>business, and I will ask others to do so as well. I recommend others do
>the same. This is the first step in pulling this city back together."> Are
>we now to censor freedom of speech?
I agree that one has the option of not listening to Belling, I don't and I
won't. OTOH, I disagree that my refusal to buy from his sponsors is
infringing on his freedom of speech. Who gave him the right to rant and
spew his garbage on the public airways instead of on the street corner
with the rest of those exercising their freedom of speech? The only reason
he's on radio/tv is because there are those willing to sponsor his program
because they believe it will bring in customers to their businesses.
If i had a list of his sponsors, I'd avoid buying from them.
--
Rick Miller rmi...@execpc.com
Milwaukee, Wisconsin U.S.A.
Mike
"Ed Mercier" <emer...@execpc.com> wrote in message
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> Mark is a hate monger, pure and simple.
If you are referring to hating government waste, hating ignorance, hating
seeing people fall for scare tactics, hating wrongful things upon citizens
of Milwaukee (or the United States for that matter), etc.... then I suppose
you are correct in your statement.
>His program is designed to
> divide our communities,
So people with different viewpoints cannot voice their opinions?
>and people should stand up and insist he be
> taken off the air.
To use your same arguement, let's take Geraldo off the air as well. It's
called Freedom of Speech..... and if you want to hear people with your own
opinions, you have to put up with the "other" side.
>For three days he has called Democrats liars,
> cheats, and basically every offensive name in the book.
They are! He's been citing many examples lately of voter fraud here in
Milwaukee to back up his claims of cheating..... and we all know about Al
Gore's ability to manipulate the truth.
>Half of
> Wisconsin voted for Gore as did half vote for Bush. For a talking head
> to be free to insult, castigate, and alienate half of the state is
> unwarranted.
Half of Wisconsin must believe that lying is ok in politics.
>He ends up pitting neighbor against neighbor.
Maybe he should be arrested for "potentially" initiating a civil war....
:-) I bet our wonderful DA would finally get off his ass on that one......
>It is not
> just the presidential election either. Most of his positions are thinly
> veiled racism in action, and it is the last thing that Milwaukee needs..
There you go with the racism claim..... show some proof. Maybe you need to
look at your own party to see people spewing racism..... start with Rev.
Jackson..... without racial tension in this country, he would have no
purpose in life... think about it. He's down in Florida screaming about
Holocaust Jews and Haitian Domestic Workers not getting their vote
counted.... why isn't he up in that northern county in Florida screaming
about those people who's vote supposedly wasn't counted either.
>
> I don't care if his program is popular. Watching public executions
> would be popular too, that doesn't mean it is right. Anyone who
> advertises on Bellings show is encouraging this self important,
> hate-monger to continue to divide our city and suburbs. I will be
> mailing letters to those advertisers telling them I will boycott their
> business, and I will ask others to do so as well. I recommend others do
> the same. This is the first step in pulling this city back together.
I can't wait to get one of those letters as I am an advertiser on his show.
See, what you don't realize is, he has good demographics. People listen to
him for their own reasons.... I know I do. If you don't like his show,
don't listen to it. The funny thing is, because of his political beliefs he
gets many people from "the other side" listening.... which ironically helps
his cause by boosting his ratings.
Eye of the Storm
wrote:
>Mark is a hate monger, pure and simple. His program is designed to
>divide our communities, and people should stand up and insist he be
>taken off the air. For three days he has called Democrats liars,
>cheats, and basically every offensive name in the book. Half of
>Wisconsin voted for Gore as did half vote for Bush. For a talking head
>to be free to insult, castigate, and alienate half of the state is
>unwarranted. He ends up pitting neighbor against neighbor. It is not
>just the presidential election either. Most of his positions are thinly
>veiled racism in action, and it is the last thing that Milwaukee needs..
I don't suppose you count organized attempts to scare the hell out of
minorities as racism.
Nancy
> For three days he has called Democrats liars,
>cheats, and basically every offensive name in the book.
Free speech is a terrible thing.
Why do I get the feeling that if there were a talk show that called Bush
"stupid" and Republicans "liars" you wouldn't be complaining about it?
Nancy
Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values---Dalai Lama
Eye of the Storm
wrote:
>I agree that one has the option of not listening to Belling, I don't and I
>won't. OTOH, I disagree that my refusal to buy from his sponsors is
>infringing on his freedom of speech. Who gave him the right to rant and
>spew his garbage on the public airways instead of on the street corner
>with the rest of those exercising their freedom of speech? The only reason
>he's on radio/tv is because there are those willing to sponsor his program
>because they believe it will bring in customers to their businesses.
>
>If i had a list of his sponsors, I'd avoid buying from them.
Are you also in full support of a persons right to avoid black owned
businesses?
I'm just curious about how much you stand for personal rights and
equality.
Joe Greco
: HOWEVER, on your; <"I will be mailing letters to those advertisers
:telling them I will boycott their
:business, and I will ask others to do so as well. I recommend others do
:we now to censor freedom of speech?
That's not censoring freedom of speech. Nobody's refusing to let him say
what is on his miniscule mind. There's nothing that gives him the
guaranteed right to speak his mind on the radio, though - otherwise, why
doesn't everyone have their own talk show?
As consumers, people have the right to choose where they wish to spend their
dollars. Refusing to purchase from sponsors who support Belling is not much
different than refusing to buy from companies who pollute the environment
(and one could argue that Belling spews plenty of noise pollution).
The people who like to label things as censoring freedom of speech almost
invariably have no clue what either censorship or freedom of speech are all
about.
The way it works is simple. Radio station requires $X dollars per hour to
operate. They either sell the time at wholesale rate, or try to fill it
with programming, covering the cost by selling advertising time at a premium
rate. Either way, if the people who are listening do not like what they are
hearing, the money flowing to the person paying the wholesale or advertising
rate drops, and they can no longer afford the airtime.
Are we to destroy a fundamental aspect of capitalism, so that your Mark
Belling gets some socialistic twisted "freedom of speech"? Why him and not
me? I've got plenty of sharp opinions too. Where's my "freedom of speech"?
Geez.
Does anybody have a list of advertisers supporting Mark Belling?
... JG
Brad F
Nancy <cybe...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20001114134356...@ng-cn1.aol.com...
> Why do I get the feeling that if there were a talk show that called Bush
> "stupid" and Republicans "liars" you wouldn't be complaining about it?
There isn't. And I don't even have to ask about the crystal ball you ALWAYS
bring up.
Kevin Thomas
: Nancy <cybe...@aol.com> wrote in message
Sometimes it's not what's been said but what isn't. I'm still waiting the
The Journal to report on a Democratic Party bigwig trying to buy votes
from the homeless. And it's a mighty long list of what The Journal chooses
to not to tell you.
Maybe in between Mark's rantings there's substance that we don't get
anywhere else?
Dr. Hannibal, M.S., Psy.D.
Joe Greco wrote:
> Are we to destroy a fundamental aspect of capitalism, so that your Mark
> Belling gets some socialistic twisted "freedom of speech"? Why him and not
> me? I've got plenty of sharp opinions too. Where's my "freedom of speech"?
>
> ... JG
He's not MY Mark Belling, I turned his show off at the first glimpse of it. As I said, I found him to be quite rude and
most arrogant. Here's I changed the station and never listened to his show again.All I said was that one shouldn't excise
free speech...I do find it peculiar he can captivate such mindless rubes.
As far as where Your freedom of speech is concerned, you voice it through this medium. Wouldn't it be grand if we could
all have a radio show and compete with the likes of Belling?
--
邢 唷��
T
> Are you also in full support of a persons right to avoid black owned
> businesses?
>
> I'm just curious about how much you stand for personal rights and
> equality.
Individuals can buy from wherever they choose, or not buy from wherever they
choose to not buy from. That's the neat part about capitalism and a free
society. And if other people agree with you, that's fine, too. The biggest
problems and confusions come in with the following situations:
-- People and organizations act to harm the business, damaging it physically or
by lying
-- The government chooses to either eliminate the business from being a
potential source, or it closes the business down.
If it's your money, spend it how you like, or don't spend it where you're
boycotting. If you have a private organization -- a group dedicated to not
shopping where they sell animal products? Who knows -- because you're a private
organization, not bound by governmental restrictions, again, spend where you
want. If you're a government entity, then you may not boycott or harm unless
there's a legally binding reason.
Steve H.
Steve H.
"Ed Mercier" <emer...@execpc.com> wrote in message
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> Mark is a hate monger, pure and simple. His program is designed to
> divide our communities, and people should stand up and insist he be
> taken off the air. For three days he has called Democrats liars,
> cheats, and basically every offensive name in the book. Half of
> Wisconsin voted for Gore as did half vote for Bush. For a talking head
> to be free to insult, castigate, and alienate half of the state is
> unwarranted. He ends up pitting neighbor against neighbor. It is not
> just the presidential election either. Most of his positions are thinly
> veiled racism in action, and it is the last thing that Milwaukee needs..
>
> I don't care if his program is popular. Watching public executions
> would be popular too, that doesn't mean it is right. Anyone who
> advertises on Bellings show is encouraging this self important,
> hate-monger to continue to divide our city and suburbs. I will be
Nancy
>> Why do I get the feeling that if there were a talk show that called Bush
>> "stupid" and Republicans "liars" you wouldn't be complaining about it?
>
>There isn't. And I don't even have to ask about the crystal ball you ALWAYS
bring up.
No, but there have been enough Democrats right here on this newsgroup who have
done the same thing, as well as Democrats in the news. I think it's safe to
say that one can surmise from that (without borrowing you-know-who's crystal
ball) that it would be plausible.
And I said "if" there were a talk show......
Nancy
>'m still waiting the
>The Journal to report on a Democratic Party bigwig trying to buy votes
>from the homeless.
I heard her interviewed on WTMJ radio news this morning. She described herself
as "a typical Park Avenue matron." What the heck is that????? And she said
she acted on her own and did nothing wrong but give some homeless guys some
smokes. Yeah, and Al Gore is really Santa Claus.
I personally don't listen to Mark Belling. He's a big-mouthed, boorish,
irritating bully. It's a shame that that overpowers some of the truths he digs
up.
Nancy
>Why him and not
>me? I've got plenty of sharp opinions too. Where's my "freedom of speech"?
Go apply for the job.
Rick Miller
<3a119a8b$0$78559$272e...@news.execpc.com>:
>On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:49:14 GMT, rmi...@execpc.com (Rick Miller)
>wrote:
>
.>>If i had a list of his sponsors, I'd avoid buying from them.
>
>Are you also in full support of a persons right to avoid black owned
>businesses?
>
>I'm just curious about how much you stand for personal rights and
>equality.
>
Buy from whom you want to, makes no difference to me, why do you think it
would? I'm not suggesting that everyone stop patronizing Belling's
sponsors, only that it is something I would do if I knew who they were,
which I won't learn from listening to his show, because I chose not to
listen.
--
__ rmi...@execpc.com
Rick Miller \/ Milwaukee, Wisconsin, U.S.A.
Rick Miller
<3A11F974...@conspire.com>:
.>changed the station and never listened to his show again.All I said was
>that one shouldn't excise free speech...I do find it peculiar he can
And after all that has been written, you're STILL confused about a
commercial radio program and the exercise of free speech??? You should try
harder to understand the difference.
Dickedy D. McBee
to tune in, his shows stay on the air. It's that simple.
As far as being a hate monger, it's hard to find hate anything more severe
than what you see with the devilcrats and other lefties. Hate the rich,
hate the religious right, hate the republicans, hate business, enough hate
for Bush to wish him shot dead, hate for Belling and Rush, hate for anyone
and anything that doesn't agree with them. This includes hate of free
speech that doesn't agree with them. It doesn't sound like a very tolerant
and inclusive party that the devilcrats claim to be.
Rick Miller
<GDCQ5.103$aX.6...@homer.alpha.net>:
>As far as being a hate monger, it's hard to find hate anything more
>severe than what you see with the devilcrats and other lefties. Hate
hmmm, doesn't compute with the "leftie" publications I've been looking
through, perhaps your source for this information is suspect.
I don't even "hate" people who can't be bothered to trim down the articles
to which they are replying, but such folks are annoying.
Nancy
>I don't even "hate" people who can't be bothered to trim down the articles
>to which they are replying, but such folks are annoying.
Maybe he did that so he wouldn't be accused of quoting out of context or
selectively quoting.
Harry
news:GDCQ5.103$aX.6...@homer.alpha.net...
> Mark Belling is entertainment. If people find his shows entertaining
enough
> to tune in, his shows stay on the air. It's that simple.
>
> hate the religious right, hate the republicans, hate business, enough hate
> for Bush to wish him shot dead, hate for Belling and Rush, hate for anyone
> and anything that doesn't agree with them. This includes hate of free
> speech that doesn't agree with them. It doesn't sound like a very
tolerant
> and inclusive party that the devilcrats claim to be.
and your source...
>
> "Ed Mercier" <emer...@execpc.com> wrote in message
> news:3a10cefa$0$93859$272e...@news.execpc.com...
<snip>
Zabbo Mench
listen to find out who they are and that would be to painful!
Zabbo Mench
black owned businesses? Go ahead I am sure that you would not be missed.
Steve Bukosky
>Mark is a hate monger, pure and simple. blah blah blah
Your right. Lets bludgeon him and everyone at WISN, track down his
listeners, and shout them down. Make the sponsors go out of business.
Yeah!!!
Uh, while I'm here, does anyone know when the diversity tolerance
meeting is being held???
Steve Bukosky
sbuk...@execpc.com
http://www.execpc.com/~sbukosky/
Mark Mathu
> They are! He's been citing many examples lately of voter fraud here in
> Milwaukee to back up his claims of cheating..... and we all know about Al
> Gore's ability to manipulate the truth.
I don't think his "examples" hold much water ... how come no one has actually
been charged with voter fraud here in Milwaukee?
Mark Mathu
> The same arguments and reasoning you put forth here could also be applied
> to Clinton.
Yeah, I dislike both of them.
Nancy
>I don't think his "examples" hold much water ... how come no one has actually
>been charged with voter fraud here in Milwaukee?
>
Evidence is still being gathered. And apparently it was imminent or the
Marquette student wouldn't have gotten himself an attorney.
Steve H.
"Steve Bukosky" <sbuk...@execpc.com> wrote in message
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The meeting is being held at the same place where they teach how to use the
"Off" button and/or the channel changing button....but that might be an
advanced class for some.
Steve H.
--
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has been seriously misinformed
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"Ed Mercier" <emer...@execpc.com> wrote in message
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Mike
"Mark Mathu" <ma...@mathu.com> wrote in message
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> Mike <mi...@m2technical.com> wrote ...
>
> > They are! He's been citing many examples lately of voter fraud here in
> > Milwaukee to back up his claims of cheating..... and we all know about
Al
> > Gore's ability to manipulate the truth.
>
actually
> been charged with voter fraud here in Milwaukee?
The reason no one has been charged is that our DA is a pussy!
Mark William Hopkins
>For your next project you should consider having Nordstroms or Neiman-
>Marcus opening units in Northridge Mall.
Your mean Brookfield Square and Bayshore.
>Do you actually dream of a City or community united in some sort of
>Rainbow coalition? Never. People leave the City simply to get away from
>negroes and hispanics.
Meanwhile, screwing up the countryside, bring the city all along with
them. I used to be able to walk or bike to and from Port Washington
and see hardly anything but rural countryside and farmland.
Now, it's an infestation of those butt-ugly ranch style neo-urban homes
sprawled out all over the place by country-bumpkin wannabes, who are
nothing more than rural countryside tourists who've long overlived their
welcome.
Actually, you only have half the story. What they're actually running
away from are the bus lines. The metro area color line has changed
dynamically in the last 15 years. And the change has completely
followed the changes in the location of the major bus lines, with about
a 1-2 year time lag. The oustanding case is the initiation of route 1,
followed immediately by the degredation of the entire area around
Northridge, and Northridge itself.
They're leaving because they think they're 'Too Good' for the busses
and for those kinds of people they think ride the bus, who will end up
in 'Their' neighborhoods and shopping areas. So they don't want to be
around anywhere near, and leave.
That's the REAL reason why you don't see bus lines running along (with
one very minor exception) Lake Drive (for instance) ... or why the
color line along Good Hope stops eastward at Teutonia (which is the
easternmost extent of coverage by bus lines); whereas there's hardly
even one along Bradley (where there are no bus lines either).
Either way, the motivation is borne out of a collective stupidity and
mypoia. Because when they move out, inevitably they're going to STILL
pine for all their nice comfy spoiled amenities the 'City' brought them:
big shopping centers (now even bigger with all that 'undeveloped' land),
big fast food places, big business centers.
And who's going to be staffing those businesses at the $7.00/hour
service job level?
Bingo. The very people they were trying to get away from.
And how are those people going to be getting there?
Hmm? What's that? Speak up, you're mumbling. That's right. By bus.
Or otherwise, they'll move there.
So, in the process of moving out of the city, all they ended up doing
is bringing the city with them, and ruining the countryside in the
process with their urban engineering travesties, while leaving the scar of
the blight of an ugly sprawl.
Nice going. Real nice there.
Mark William Hopkins
>> For three days he has called Democrats liars,
>>cheats, and basically every offensive name in the book.
>
>
>Why do I get the feeling that if there were a talk show that called Bush
>"stupid" and Republicans "liars" you wouldn't be complaining about it?
Because you Demopublicans are so biased in your petty bickering
amongst one another that as far as any of you can see (which is not
far at all), spiting of one = lauding of the other. So, OBVIOUSLY,
is the person is criticizing the anti-Democratic bias of one of
you Demopublican pundits, they're ardently pusing FOR anti-Republican
bias.
Get over yourselves. You're not the end-all and be-all of US politics
(as you'll find out in 2005). That's why neither of you has successfully
fielded a candidate since 1988 who's won the popular vote. And barely
even in 1988, 1980 or 1976. The Other Parties made you all minority
candidates -- where you belong.
Kevin Thomas
: Actually, you only have half the story. What they're actually running
: away from are the bus lines. The metro area color line has changed
: dynamically in the last 15 years. And the change has completely
: followed the changes in the location of the major bus lines, with about
: a 1-2 year time lag. The oustanding case is the initiation of route 1,
: followed immediately by the degredation of the entire area around
: Northridge, and Northridge itself.
That could be true but what's funny is your original premise for the post
is your dislike of certain people moving into *YOUR* neighborhood.
Any empty lots next to where you live? I'm looking for a place to live
where I can put my trailer home and two old trucks that don't run.
T
While I'd agree with much of what Mark said, I disagree with the following:
Mark William Hopkins wrote:
> The metro area color line has changed
> dynamically in the last 15 years. And the change has completely
> followed the changes in the location of the major bus lines, with about
> a 1-2 year time lag. The oustanding case is the initiation of route 1,
> followed immediately by the degredation of the entire area around
> Northridge, and Northridge itself.
>
Actually, Route 1 is simply a hybrid of *I think* routes 23 and, I *think* a
flyer. People took the bus to Northridge for *years.* The 76 and 67 routes
have always gone into the area, and for years kids would simply transfer at
North, Center, Burleigh and Capitol. If route 1 affected retail use, it may
have helped some older people who hate transferring get out there, but the
damage was already done by the kids, the ones who have nothing better to do
than transfer busses to get to a mall.
Now the kids head south on the 67 to Southridge, or east to Bayshore, or west
to Mayfair. There really aren't even that many kids at Grand Ave.
BobbyG
white flight has wreaked ecological havoc upon what was left of the
countryside. As each groovy "country estate" community transmogrifies into an
ugly little cityscape, what panic the residents must feel to watch the Big Bad
City "move in on them." And the people! All those broken families,
minorities, gay couples, unmarried couples! The drugs! The rave parties!!
Aaarrrgghh...
How come you never hear of "urban survivalists?" All these goofy white guys
gone up de country to play Brownshirts, how come they get to be the
survivalists? Damn, bring on the "urban survivalist movement!" Who better to
lead it than the brave African-American women who have "survived" all this
bullsh__ and keep on? Let's hear it for the "mixed neighborhoods" (precious
few) where people get along (survive).
Screw the suburban white flightists, and the horse they rode out on, anyway.
bg
Mark William Hopkins wrote:
> Meanwhile, screwing up the countryside, bring the city all along with
> them. I used to be able to walk or bike to and from Port Washington
> and see hardly anything but rural countryside and farmland.
>
> Now, it's an infestation of those butt-ugly ranch style neo-urban homes
> sprawled out all over the place by country-bumpkin wannabes, who are
> nothing more than rural countryside tourists who've long overlived their
> welcome.
>
> Actually, you only have half the story. What they're actually running
> away from are the bus lines. The metro area color line has changed
> dynamically in the last 15 years. And the change has completely
> followed the changes in the location of the major bus lines, with about
> a 1-2 year time lag. The oustanding case is the initiation of route 1,
> followed immediately by the degredation of the entire area around
> Northridge, and Northridge itself.
>
Mark William Hopkins
>No, but there have been enough Democrats right here on this newsgroup who have
>done the same thing, as well as Democrats in the news. I think it's safe to
>say that one can surmise from that (without borrowing you-know-who's crystal
>ball) that it would be plausible.
Or that you're simply logic impaired and don't know how to think cogently
or clearly.
Brad F
T <terrif...@uwm.edu> wrote in message news:3A19E9EC...@uwm.edu...
> Now the kids head south on the 67 to Southridge, or east to Bayshore, or
west
> to Mayfair. There really aren't even that many kids at Grand Ave.
Can't even get kids to go to Grand Avenue? maybe a recking ball. :)
T
> Can't even get kids to go to Grand Avenue?
Actually, it looks like maybe right after and before school there are quite a
few kids who chose to transfer near grand ave, so they stop in, but it's still
not as popular as it used to be with *any* group.
Snidely Whiplash
You must be a democrat.
Someone should chage the name of this group to:
milw.democrats.general
Bob Simmons
(bnob and b-lying), and even the WKLH people? This town is full of dufus
radio dink right wing numbskulls. Someone care to give me a radio show? I
may be able to even out the playing field a bit. But hey, we all know the
radio is republican, and the tv is democrat. The newspapers walk a
tightrope of somewhere in between. As far as belling "pitting neighbor
against neighbor", I know of no one that listens to him personally.
thanks
Bob Simmons
goofy head on the tele. Dude looks like a space alien.
Brad F
Snidely Whiplash <bratsa...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:28878-3A...@storefull-246.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> He tells it like it is and that SCARES you!
> You must be a democrat.
I thought only democrats scared people
execpc_news
them. The Milwaukee AM airwaves are littered with trash talk from the likes
of. SuckmeSykes, BitchingBelling, and other lesser conserva-whores.
I'm listening when I can and taking notes. However, if you ever get a show,
let us know.
Republican election motto: Delay, Deny, Deceive!
"Bob Simmons" <bsim...@execpc.com> wrote in message
news:3a1aa40e$0$52834$272e...@news.execpc.com...
> Mark who? Never heard his stuff. Don't you hear mancow, bob and brian
> (bnob and b-lying), and even the WKLH people? This town is full of dufus
> radio dink right wing numbskulls. Someone care to give me a radio show?
I
> may be able to even out the playing field a bit. But hey, we all know the
> radio is republican, and the tv is democrat. The newspapers walk a
> tightrope of somewhere in between. As far as belling "pitting neighbor
> against neighbor", I know of no one that listens to him personally.
Mark Mathu
>> I don't think his "examples" hold much water ... how come
>> no one has actually been charged with voter fraud here in
>> Milwaukee?
>
> The reason no one has been charged is that our DA is a
> pussy!
Or perhaps, as the Milwaukee County District Attorney said about the
Marquette University case, "The credibility of the story is very much an
issue."
http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/nov00/trib17111600a.asp
Mike
Nope... it's because he's a pussy and has no skills as a DA.... actually his
whole office is filled with idiot attorney's (or attorney-wanna-be's)...
it's definitely time for a new DA.
All he did was knock on the door of the MU student newspaper and talk to the
student who was on ABC and he recanted (on advice of his attorney) to avoid
prosecution.... wow that's a thorough investigation! If the whole case
doesn't fall on his lap he can't do anything.... I'm surprised that Doyle
didn't Dahlmer get off.....
Rick Miller
<3a1aa40e$0$52834$272e...@news.execpc.com>:
>But hey, we
>all know the radio is republican, and the tv is democrat. The
>newspapers walk a tightrope of somewhere in between. As far as belling
"the tv is democrat"?? If it ever was, the worm has turned. TV news gave
Bush a pass on a lot of issues which should have been explored.
Brad F
Mike <mi...@m2technical.com> wrote in message
news:t1nu6gq...@corp.supernews.com...
> All he did was knock on the door of the MU student newspaper and talk to
the
> student who was on ABC and he recanted (on advice of his attorney) to
avoid
> prosecution.... wow that's a thorough investigation! If the whole case
> doesn't fall on his lap he can't do anything.... I'm surprised that Doyle
> didn't Dahlmer get off.....
If you count checking all the precents around the MU campus checking voter
resistration cards, and checking who the write in canidates are knocking on
the door at MU, I guess you are right.
Mark Mathu
> I'm surprised that Doyle didn't Dahlmer get off.....
What? Are you kidding? Come on, the evidence was pretty strong in that
case.
Jake Herman
has no skills as a DA.... actually his whole office is filled with idiot attorney's (or attorney-wanna-be's)... it's definitely time for a new DA.
On what knowledge of the office and the legal community are you
basing your evaluation of the District Attorney and his staff? What
is your experience in dealing with that office?
If the whole case doesn't fall on his lap he can't do anything.... I'm surprised that Doyle didn't Dahlmer get off.....
Doyle? Attorney General Doyle? How is he relevant to
the Dahmer case?
Â
ebk
Mike
it was a typo.... meant to type "Boyle"... referring to Gerald Boyle who defended Dahmer....
ebk
Jake Herman
And to the gracious Mr. Mike ...
On what knowledge of the office and the legal community are you basing
your evaluation of
the District Attorney and his staff? What is your experience in dealing
with that office?
ebk
Mike
I've had very minimal dealings with the office personally.... one in the
last few months however when I went to contest a few parking tickets I had
on two of my vehicles. I had scheduled an appointment to contest and when I
got there the female assistant or whatever she was would only discuss
tickets on one of the vehicles as I didn't make an appointment for the
"other" vehicle. I was very unimpressed with her professionalism and
attitude... she was unbelievably rude. I eventually accomplished what I
set out to accomplish so don't think I'm sitting here bashing them because
"I didn't get my way".
With that said, that really wasn't what I based my opinions of McCann an his
office on. Also, I would like to clarify that I said nothing about the
"legal community" as a whole.... my comments were purely directed to McCann
and his office.
The original topic of the discussion that prompted my comments was about the
allegations of "voter fraud" here in Milwaukee. Understanding that it has
been only 3 weeks since the allegations began to surface, I still have seen
very minimal effort on behalf of the DA's office to actually investigate
these allegations. The MU Student Issue seemed to show the largest
effort...... and IMHO that effort was terrible. I haven't heard anything on
any of the other allegations..... I'm sure his office will come out with a
statement saying "we are actively investigating...." , and nothing ever will
come of it.
My frustration of the office comes from McCann being in office too long and
probably losing the "fire" he may once had. We need a DA who is agressive
and shows some initiative. Look at the DA in Waukesha...... who's probably
even overagressive IMHO.... but at least the guy shows some intitiative.
Again, these are my personal opinions...... if you can prove me wrong,
please do so! Tell me what McCann has done the last 5-10 years in office
that shows some initiative..... that shows he is proactive vs reactive.
Brad F
> The original topic of the discussion that prompted my comments was about
the
> allegations of "voter fraud" here in Milwaukee. Understanding that it has
> been only 3 weeks since the allegations began to surface, I still have
seen
> very minimal effort on behalf of the DA's office to actually investigate
> these allegations. The MU Student Issue seemed to show the largest
> effort...... and IMHO that effort was terrible. I haven't heard anything
on
> any of the other allegations..... I'm sure his office will come out with
a
> statement saying "we are actively investigating...." , and nothing ever
will
> come of it.
McCann is checking to see WHO voted in the MU precenct, and checking to see
if any of them also voted at home. he was also checking all the write-ins,
and the poll registrations. And the smokes for votes, he is having trouble
finding the homeless that got the smokes. (without them it's just someone
giving away smokes, and probably woudln't hold up in court) This
information comes from various Jourtinel articles.
McGuigan
wrote:
>My frustration of the office comes from McCann being in office too long and
>probably losing the "fire" he may once had. We need a DA who is agressive
>and shows some initiative. Look at the DA in Waukesha...... who's probably
>even overagressive IMHO.... but at least the guy shows some intitiative.
Mike, I do have dealings with DA McCann on occasion. I find him to be
a man of integrity who has been very fiscally and socially
conservative. There are few people who would claim that McCann has
lost his fire. He is a deeply spiritual man who begins each day on
his knees praying for wisdom at Jesu church near the Courthouse.
It would be unfair to compare the Waukesha DA with the Milwaukee DA.
Because of the population of Milwaukee County, many more decisions he
makes are delegated to his Assistant DA's.
He is active in several committees related to the Judiciary and his
counsel is valued in the Courthouse. If I were ever to seek an
endorsement from someone in the Judiciary, McCann would be one of the
first I would ask. It is a pleasure to serve with him.
>Again, these are my personal opinions...... if you can prove me wrong,
>please do so! Tell me what McCann has done the last 5-10 years in office
>that shows some initiative..... that shows he is proactive vs reactive.
District Attorney McCann serves with me on a pre-trial services
committee. We have made reforms that have streamlined the system and
saved millions of dollars.
McCann has also taken proactive steps in working with the State
legislature as well as Governor Thompson as it relates to funding
Assistant DA positions. He could easily get more press if he were to
simply complain, He has not asked for anything frivilous, but has
simply asked the State to fund his offices at the same proportional
level other districts get. The DA and his staff are State employees.
I hope these examples help.
Jim McGuigan, Milwaukee County Supervisor
http://www.execpc.com/~mcguigan/
Somas
Please urge him to issue a public report on his office's investigation of
the reported voter problems.
The report should tell what sort of investigation was done, what was or was
not found and what he as a DA can recommend to the state and local vote
commissions to do to clean up the system.
I know DAs prosecute and don't normally issue reports, but this vote scandal
is a special issue. Only with complete faith on the voting system can we
function as a united populace. McCann can be our hero on this or our goat.
"McGuigan"
> wrote in message
snip
Mike
"McGuigan" <mcgu...@execNOSPAMpcSPAMBLOCK.com> wrote in message
news:3a2823d4$0$87485$272e...@news.execpc.com...
> On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:33:32 -0600, "Mike" <mi...@m2technical.com>
> wrote:
>
> >My frustration of the office comes from McCann being in office too long
and
> >probably losing the "fire" he may once had. We need a DA who is
agressive
> >and shows some initiative. Look at the DA in Waukesha...... who's
probably
> >even overagressive IMHO.... but at least the guy shows some intitiative.
>
> Mike, I do have dealings with DA McCann on occasion. I find him to be
> a man of integrity who has been very fiscally and socially
> conservative. There are few people who would claim that McCann has
> lost his fire. He is a deeply spiritual man who begins each day on
> his knees praying for wisdom at Jesu church near the Courthouse.
I do not doubt his integrity level or his spirituality. I have the upmost
respect for someone with strong spiritual beliefs.
>
> It would be unfair to compare the Waukesha DA with the Milwaukee DA.
> Because of the population of Milwaukee County, many more decisions he
> makes are delegated to his Assistant DA's.\
Jim, I wasn't comparing the actual positions.... rather I just used the
Waukesha DA as an example of someone who appears to have more "fire".
Obviously the demographics are highly different between the two counties and
McCann's office is much larger thus he needs to delegate more.
>
> He is active in several committees related to the Judiciary and his
> counsel is valued in the Courthouse. If I were ever to seek an
> endorsement from someone in the Judiciary, McCann would be one of the
> first I would ask. It is a pleasure to serve with him.
>
> >Again, these are my personal opinions...... if you can prove me wrong,
> >please do so! Tell me what McCann has done the last 5-10 years in office
> >that shows some initiative..... that shows he is proactive vs reactive.
>
> District Attorney McCann serves with me on a pre-trial services
> committee. We have made reforms that have streamlined the system and
> saved millions of dollars.
I love to hear those words.... specifically what reforms have you put in
place that have "streamlined the system and saved millions of dollars"?
>
> McCann has also taken proactive steps in working with the State
> legislature as well as Governor Thompson as it relates to funding
> Assistant DA positions. He could easily get more press if he were to
> simply complain, He has not asked for anything frivilous, but has
> simply asked the State to fund his offices at the same proportional
> level other districts get. The DA and his staff are State employees.
I'm curious to find out what has been the State's response to those
requests... as that obviously crosses over to a previous discusion we
recently had?
>
> I hope these examples help.
Not really. Aside from the comments about the pre-trial services committee
that you know first hand how he works. You mentioned he is on serveral
other "committees" and that he also works with the state legislature and
Thompson to get funding for Assistant DA positions.
His office, in general, appears to be reactive vs proactive. That whole
Cigs for Votes thing..... I wonder if his office would have even looked into
it had not been for the outcry that followed. I noticed another person
posted about the fact the McCann should issue a report on his findings in
that scandal..... that would be interesting to see. I understand that he
could get alot more "exposure" if he went to the press more.... I think
maybe he should, especially given the claims you have made about what a
wonderful job he's doing. I don't see it. You obviously are in a position
that most of us are not.... in that you are able to work with the man. The
rest of us are just constituents who don't have that luxury.
Mike
"Somas" <So...@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Q6ZV5.33739$pw2.3...@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net...
> Thanks for reassuring us that DA McCann is on the job.
>
> Please urge him to issue a public report on his office's investigation of
> the reported voter problems.
>
> The report should tell what sort of investigation was done, what was or
was
> not found and what he as a DA can recommend to the state and local vote
> commissions to do to clean up the system.
>
> I know DAs prosecute and don't normally issue reports, but this vote
scandal
> is a special issue. Only with complete faith on the voting system can we
> function as a united populace. McCann can be our hero on this or our
goat.
>
I totally agree....
McGuigan
wrote:
>> District Attorney McCann serves with me on a pre-trial services
>> committee. We have made reforms that have streamlined the system and
>> saved millions of dollars.
>
>I love to hear those words.... specifically what reforms have you put in
>place that have "streamlined the system and saved millions of dollars"?
Now are we talking just about my work with the County Board or my work
with McCann?
Together, one of the things we did was reform the way that those who
have court dates are informed and followed up on.
A little background is in order here -- the backlog in our courts
keeps our County jail overcrowded. People in the Jail are considered
to be our pre-trial population, people in the House of Corrections are
post trial misdemenants with sentences of one year or less.
We changed the system to get more people in for thier court dates. A
missed court date was previously without penalty and the court
remained idle for the time of the court date. Since some
non-incarcerated people missed their court dates, this delayed others
who may have been incarcerated (pre-trial) from having a speedy trial
and perhaps having their case either dismissed or changed to simply
require community service.
This change gets more people in for their trials and there are less
overcrowding the jail. This saves on deputy overtime (both in the
jail as well as baliffs) and court reporter costs also.
>> McCann has also taken proactive steps in working with the State
>> legislature as well as Governor Thompson as it relates to funding
>> Assistant DA positions. He could easily get more press if he were to
>> simply complain, He has not asked for anything frivilous, but has
>> simply asked the State to fund his offices at the same proportional
>> level other districts get. The DA and his staff are State employees.
>
>I'm curious to find out what has been the State's response to those
>requests... as that obviously crosses over to a previous discusion we
>recently had?
It has been mixed. The State has not funded Milwaukee County at the
same per case level as they have funded other Counties. McCann has
specifically advocated more ADA's (Assistant District Attorneys). He
has had some luck, but we have not reached parity with other Counties.
>His office, in general, appears to be reactive vs proactive. That whole
>Cigs for Votes thing..... I wonder if his office would have even looked into
>it had not been for the outcry that followed.
The prosecution of the accused is reactive by its very nature.
Let me play devils advocate here.
As for outcry, that was more political posturing than anything. If
you want to analyze this as a prosecutor must because of the nature of
their job, you must ask first, what crime is being alledged to be
committed and how reasonably sure can you be of getting a conviction?
In this case there are some interesting facts as I understand them.
FACT: There is a person who is passing out cigarettes to some people
as is proven by a tv camera without sound.
CLAIM (not a proven fact): It is alledged that the recipients were
homeless individuals.
FACT: The homeless population is transient by its very nature.
FACT: Many people who are homeless suffer from mental illness in one
form or another.
FACT: There was no sound on the camera.
FACT: Individuals do not have to testify in cases in which they could
incriminate themselves.
FACT: The only people that actually heard what was said was were those
that are alledged to be homeless.
FACT: It is difficult to prove a case to a jury where the only
witnesses are not those with much credibility.
With those facts, and knowing that you could spend your resources on
cases that actually were possible to prove, would you spend the money
on what was a gamble at best? Clearly if he were playing politics, he
would have pushed this since the State Representative who put out the
countless press releases got a lot of milage off of this one. But the
real question is, would the taxpayers have been well served by
prosecuting a case that there was very little chance of getting a
prosecution in?
>I noticed another person
>posted about the fact the McCann should issue a report on his findings in
>that scandal..... that would be interesting to see. I understand that he
>could get alot more "exposure" if he went to the press more....
Why would he push for more press? His job is to prosecute the
accused. His job is not that of a policy maker. He does not have to
advocate sweeping policies.
There are several positions which are arguably administrative in
nature. Some would argue that the DA position is administrative and
some would say the Clerk of Courts, County Clerk, Tres and even
Sheriff are administrative. Although each of these positions are
actually partisan, they do not make policy decisions. If government
truly acted as a business, all of these positions would be
administratively appointed.
Mike
"McGuigan" <mcgu...@execNOSPAMpcSPAMBLOCK.com> wrote in message
> On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:33:51 -0600, "Mike" <mi...@m2technical.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> District Attorney McCann serves with me on a pre-trial services
> >> committee. We have made reforms that have streamlined the system and
> >> saved millions of dollars.
> >
> >I love to hear those words.... specifically what reforms have you put in
> >place that have "streamlined the system and saved millions of dollars"?
>
> Now are we talking just about my work with the County Board or my work
> with McCann?
I was referring to the work with McCann....
>
> Together, one of the things we did was reform the way that those who
> have court dates are informed and followed up on.
>
> A little background is in order here -- the backlog in our courts
> keeps our County jail overcrowded. People in the Jail are considered
> to be our pre-trial population, people in the House of Corrections are
> post trial misdemenants with sentences of one year or less.
>
> We changed the system to get more people in for thier court dates. A
> missed court date was previously without penalty and the court
> remained idle for the time of the court date. Since some
> non-incarcerated people missed their court dates, this delayed others
> who may have been incarcerated (pre-trial) from having a speedy trial
> and perhaps having their case either dismissed or changed to simply
> require community service.
>
> This change gets more people in for their trials and there are less
> overcrowding the jail. This saves on deputy overtime (both in the
> jail as well as baliffs) and court reporter costs also.
Sounds like some decent reforms... good job!
>
> >> McCann has also taken proactive steps in working with the State
> >> legislature as well as Governor Thompson as it relates to funding
> >> Assistant DA positions. He could easily get more press if he were to
> >> simply complain, He has not asked for anything frivilous, but has
> >> simply asked the State to fund his offices at the same proportional
> >> level other districts get. The DA and his staff are State employees.
> >
> >I'm curious to find out what has been the State's response to those
> >requests... as that obviously crosses over to a previous discusion we
> >recently had?
>
> It has been mixed. The State has not funded Milwaukee County at the
> same per case level as they have funded other Counties. McCann has
> specifically advocated more ADA's (Assistant District Attorneys). He
> has had some luck, but we have not reached parity with other Counties.
Is the parity you are referring to is proportional to the size of the DA
Office, the volume of criminals, the caseloads, or just plain budget size?
>
> >His office, in general, appears to be reactive vs proactive. That whole
> >Cigs for Votes thing..... I wonder if his office would have even looked
into
> >it had not been for the outcry that followed.
>
> The prosecution of the accused is reactive by its very nature.
Understandable... I was referring to proactive as it relates to initiating
investigations or than anything.....
>
> Let me play devils advocate here.
>
> As for outcry, that was more political posturing than anything. If
> you want to analyze this as a prosecutor must because of the nature of
> their job, you must ask first, what crime is being alledged to be
> committed and how reasonably sure can you be of getting a conviction?
I believe that many times the "threat" of prosecution is an excellent
deterrant. The people who participated in Cigs for Votes now will really
believe they are above the law given the outcome. It'll be their stance
that no one can touch them because in Milwaukee they were "caught" on video
tape and they weren't prosecuted. Does that make sense?
> In this case there are some interesting facts as I understand them.
>
> FACT: There is a person who is passing out cigarettes to some people
> as is proven by a tv camera without sound.
> CLAIM (not a proven fact): It is alledged that the recipients were
> homeless individuals.
The obviously weren't coming from the MAC.... lol
> FACT: The homeless population is transient by its very nature.
Those people were all known at the shelters where they were picked up...
> FACT: Many people who are homeless suffer from mental illness in one
> form or another.
Given that fact maybe they shouldn't be allowed to vote.... lol
> FACT: There was no sound on the camera.
If there was video of a drug sale with no sound.... it would still be used
to mount a case...
> FACT: Individuals do not have to testify in cases in which they could
> incriminate themselves.
True, however given your prior mention of mental illness... they could get
off.... or the DA's office could offer immunity for testimony.
> FACT: The only people that actually heard what was said was were those
> that are alledged to be homeless.
True.... but that's not uncommon.
> FACT: It is difficult to prove a case to a jury where the only
> witnesses are not those with much credibility.
That's possible... I know if I were on the jury I would put alot of weight
into the video... which I strongly believe proves the case.
>
> With those facts, and knowing that you could spend your resources on
> cases that actually were possible to prove, would you spend the money
> on what was a gamble at best?
From my perspective I wouldn't mind seeing some of my tax money go towards
this prosecution.... but I understand your views.
Clearly if he were playing politics, he
> would have pushed this since the State Representative who put out the
> countless press releases got a lot of milage off of this one. But the
> real question is, would the taxpayers have been well served by
> prosecuting a case that there was very little chance of getting a
> prosecution in?
I believe the answer to be yes.... as I had mentioned eariler. These
voter fraud claims that came out before and after the election really piss
me off.
>
> >I noticed another person
> >posted about the fact the McCann should issue a report on his findings in
> >that scandal..... that would be interesting to see. I understand that
he
> >could get alot more "exposure" if he went to the press more....
>
> Why would he push for more press? His job is to prosecute the
> accused. His job is not that of a policy maker. He does not have to
> advocate sweeping policies.
His job is an elected position... not appointed.... thus I believe he needs
to utilize the press to his advantage. I would love to hear more about what
the man is doing.... which is the reason for my claims that he has lost his
fire. Does that make sense?
>
> There are several positions which are arguably administrative in
> nature. Some would argue that the DA position is administrative and
> some would say the Clerk of Courts, County Clerk, Tres and even
> Sheriff are administrative. Although each of these positions are
> actually partisan, they do not make policy decisions. If government
> truly acted as a business, all of these positions would be
> administratively appointed.
Agreed...
Mike
"McGuigan" <mcgu...@execNOSPAMpcSPAMBLOCK.com> wrote in message
news:3a2c0b5c$0$78101$272e...@news.execpc.com...
> wrote:
>
> >> District Attorney McCann serves with me on a pre-trial services
> >> committee. We have made reforms that have streamlined the system and
> >> saved millions of dollars.
> >
> >I love to hear those words.... specifically what reforms have you put in
> >place that have "streamlined the system and saved millions of dollars"?
>
> Now are we talking just about my work with the County Board or my work
> with McCann?
I was referring to the work with McCann....
>
> Together, one of the things we did was reform the way that those who
> have court dates are informed and followed up on.
>
> A little background is in order here -- the backlog in our courts
> keeps our County jail overcrowded. People in the Jail are considered
> to be our pre-trial population, people in the House of Corrections are
> post trial misdemenants with sentences of one year or less.
>
> We changed the system to get more people in for thier court dates. A
> missed court date was previously without penalty and the court
> remained idle for the time of the court date. Since some
> non-incarcerated people missed their court dates, this delayed others
> who may have been incarcerated (pre-trial) from having a speedy trial
> and perhaps having their case either dismissed or changed to simply
> require community service.
>
> This change gets more people in for their trials and there are less
> overcrowding the jail. This saves on deputy overtime (both in the
> jail as well as baliffs) and court reporter costs also.
Sounds like some decent reforms... good job!
>
> >> McCann has also taken proactive steps in working with the State
> >> legislature as well as Governor Thompson as it relates to funding
> >> Assistant DA positions. He could easily get more press if he were to
> >> simply complain, He has not asked for anything frivilous, but has
> >> simply asked the State to fund his offices at the same proportional
> >> level other districts get. The DA and his staff are State employees.
> >
> >I'm curious to find out what has been the State's response to those
> >requests... as that obviously crosses over to a previous discusion we
> >recently had?
>
> It has been mixed. The State has not funded Milwaukee County at the
> same per case level as they have funded other Counties. McCann has
> specifically advocated more ADA's (Assistant District Attorneys). He
> has had some luck, but we have not reached parity with other Counties.
Is the parity you are referring to is proportional to the size of the DA
Office, the volume of criminals, the caseloads, or just plain budget size?
>
> >His office, in general, appears to be reactive vs proactive. That whole
> >Cigs for Votes thing..... I wonder if his office would have even looked
into
> >it had not been for the outcry that followed.
>
> The prosecution of the accused is reactive by its very nature.
Understandable... I was referring to proactive as it relates to initiating
investigations or than anything.....
>
> Let me play devils advocate here.
>
> As for outcry, that was more political posturing than anything. If
> you want to analyze this as a prosecutor must because of the nature of
> their job, you must ask first, what crime is being alledged to be
> committed and how reasonably sure can you be of getting a conviction?
I believe that many times the "threat" of prosecution is an excellent
deterrant. The people who participated in Cigs for Votes now will really
believe they are above the law given the outcome. It'll be their stance
that no one can touch them because in Milwaukee they were "caught" on video
tape and they weren't prosecuted. Does that make sense?
> In this case there are some interesting facts as I understand them.
>
> FACT: There is a person who is passing out cigarettes to some people
> as is proven by a tv camera without sound.
> CLAIM (not a proven fact): It is alledged that the recipients were
> homeless individuals.
The obviously weren't coming from the MAC.... lol
> FACT: The homeless population is transient by its very nature.
Those people were all known at the shelters where they were picked up...
> FACT: Many people who are homeless suffer from mental illness in one
> form or another.
Given that fact maybe they shouldn't be allowed to vote.... lol
> FACT: There was no sound on the camera.
If there was video of a drug sale with no sound.... it would still be used
to mount a case...
> FACT: Individuals do not have to testify in cases in which they could
> incriminate themselves.
True, however given your prior mention of mental illness... they could get
off.... or the DA's office could offer immunity for testimony.
> FACT: The only people that actually heard what was said was were those
> that are alledged to be homeless.
True.... but that's not uncommon.
> FACT: It is difficult to prove a case to a jury where the only
> witnesses are not those with much credibility.
That's possible... I know if I were on the jury I would put alot of weight
into the video... which I strongly believe proves the case.
>
> With those facts, and knowing that you could spend your resources on
> cases that actually were possible to prove, would you spend the money
> on what was a gamble at best?
From my perspective I wouldn't mind seeing some of my tax money go towards
this prosecution.... but I understand your views.
Clearly if he were playing politics, he
> would have pushed this since the State Representative who put out the
> countless press releases got a lot of milage off of this one. But the
> real question is, would the taxpayers have been well served by
> prosecuting a case that there was very little chance of getting a
> prosecution in?
I believe the answer to be yes.... as I had mentioned eariler. These
voter fraud claims that came out before and after the election really piss
me off.
>
> >I noticed another person
> >posted about the fact the McCann should issue a report on his findings in
> >that scandal..... that would be interesting to see. I understand that
he
> >could get alot more "exposure" if he went to the press more....
>
> Why would he push for more press? His job is to prosecute the
> accused. His job is not that of a policy maker. He does not have to
> advocate sweeping policies.
His job is an elected position... not appointed.... thus I believe he needs
to utilize the press to his advantage. I would love to hear more about what
the man is doing.... which is the reason for my claims that he has lost his
fire. Does that make sense?
>
> There are several positions which are arguably administrative in
> nature. Some would argue that the DA position is administrative and
> some would say the Clerk of Courts, County Clerk, Tres and even
> Sheriff are administrative. Although each of these positions are
> actually partisan, they do not make policy decisions. If government
> truly acted as a business, all of these positions would be
> administratively appointed.
Agreed...
McGuigan
wrote:
>> >I'm curious to find out what has been the State's response to those
>> >requests... as that obviously crosses over to a previous discusion we
>> >recently had?
>>
>> It has been mixed. The State has not funded Milwaukee County at the
>> same per case level as they have funded other Counties. McCann has
>> specifically advocated more ADA's (Assistant District Attorneys). He
>> has had some luck, but we have not reached parity with other Counties.
>
>Is the parity you are referring to is proportional to the size of the DA
>Office, the volume of criminals, the caseloads, or just plain budget size?
McCann has been arguing for parity based on caseloads.
>I believe that many times the "threat" of prosecution is an excellent
>deterrant. The people who participated in Cigs for Votes now will really
>believe they are above the law given the outcome. It'll be their stance
>that no one can touch them because in Milwaukee they were "caught" on video
>tape and they weren't prosecuted. Does that make sense?
We live in a society where lawsuits and the threat of law is becoming
more and more common. The heavy handedness has become so prevalent
that fewer people are taking threats seriously. I understand where
you're coming from, but I also know the public is now at a point where
they realize that these questionable cases don't end up ever going to
trial.
>> FACT: Individuals do not have to testify in cases in which they could
>> incriminate themselves.
>
>True, however given your prior mention of mental illness... they could get
>off.... or the DA's office could offer immunity for testimony.
Immunity from what? And why would they care? It's zero degrees
outside -- they might see this as a way to get through the year
without freezing on the street.
>> FACT: It is difficult to prove a case to a jury where the only
>> witnesses are not those with much credibility.
>
>That's possible... I know if I were on the jury I would put alot of weight
>into the video... which I strongly believe proves the case.
The first thing you would have to do is get the homeless men to
testify which is doubtful unless you coerce testimony. Any defense
attorney worth their salt would discredit testimony which was
essentially purchased. You take away that testimony and all you've
got is a lady handing out cigarettes on the street.
>> With those facts, and knowing that you could spend your resources on
>> cases that actually were possible to prove, would you spend the money
>> on what was a gamble at best?
>
>From my perspective I wouldn't mind seeing some of my tax money go towards
>this prosecution.... but I understand your views.
Again, I'm still playing devils advocate here. Is the public not
upset about wasteful government spending? Knowing there is no
reasonable likelihood of getting a prosecution, how could any public
official, especially one who is asking for his departments fair share
to prosecute cases, use taxpayer dollars to use a case he has no
chance of winning? It's a catch 22.
>I believe the answer to be yes.... as I had mentioned eariler. These
>voter fraud claims that came out before and after the election really piss
>me off.
You must be referring to the Marquette students claims that they were
voting multiple times. Several of them said they voted for themselves
several times but when the write in ballots were examined, they only
found one of each name. They were toying with the press who they knew
would toy with the public. If there's something to be upset about it
should be that the media jumped all over this story before they knew
it to be true.
>> Why would he push for more press? His job is to prosecute the
>> accused. His job is not that of a policy maker. He does not have to
>> advocate sweeping policies.
>
>His job is an elected position... not appointed.... thus I believe he needs
>to utilize the press to his advantage. I would love to hear more about what
>the man is doing.... which is the reason for my claims that he has lost his
>fire. Does that make sense?
I understand what you are saying, but I disagree. I don't believe it
is the responsibility of public officials to seek out the press. I
have spoken with a few members of the press and they always laugh at
one specific local State Representative who puts out several press
releases a week. I'm not interested in playing that sort of game and
I don't think McCann or most other local elected officials are either.
My bottom line here is that I think District Attorney E. Michael
McCann is responsible and responsive to his constituents. While he is
not a press hound, he does a fine job and is regarded as a man of
integrity.
swu...@my-deja.com
I think we all need to join Ed Mercier in his fight to boycott
Ameritech!! It's a shame that they should sponser such a show, let's
all disconnect our service tommorow. There are other alternatives
(probally not technologically up to speed yet, but maybe more moral in
Ed's eyes), such as Cell Phones, and cable/DSL internet service.
Thank you and good day.
- Scott
In article <3a10cefa$0$93859$272e...@news.execpc.com>,
emer...@execpc.com wrote:
> Mark is a hate monger, pure and simple. His program is designed to
> divide our communities, and people should stand up and insist he be
> taken off the air. For three days he has called Democrats liars,
> cheats, and basically every offensive name in the book. Half of
> Wisconsin voted for Gore as did half vote for Bush. For a talking
head
> to be free to insult, castigate, and alienate half of the state is
> unwarranted. He ends up pitting neighbor against neighbor. It is not
> just the presidential election either. Most of his positions are
thinly
> veiled racism in action, and it is the last thing that Milwaukee
needs..
>
> I don't care if his program is popular. Watching public executions
> would be popular too, that doesn't mean it is right. Anyone who
> advertises on Bellings show is encouraging this self important,
> hate-monger to continue to divide our city and suburbs. I will be
> mailing letters to those advertisers telling them I will boycott their
> business, and I will ask others to do so as well. I recommend others
do
> the same. This is the first step in pulling this city back together.
>
>
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Before you buy.
swu...@my-deja.com
Harry
<swu...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:90p3en$7b7$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
swu...@my-deja.com
Ameritech. It doesnt matter who they are called, we just need to
boycott them.
- Scott
In article <tjWX5.599$B1.9...@news.pacbell.net>,
Mike
phones and sign up for two Ameritech cell phones, cancel my Roadrunner and
get Ameritech DSL.... I'm even going to get Caller ID, Call Waiting, Three
Way calling, and Voicemail....
<swu...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:90p3n5$7m8$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
Carol Lee Smith
that I think District Attorney E. Michael McCann is responsible and
responsive to his constituents. While he is not a press hound, he does a
fine job and is regarded as a man of integrity."
When you factor into the mix the laws on the books concerning the
perameters under which anti-choice activists must operate in regard to
harrassing activities at women's clinics, I would suggest to you that
McCann has not performed the duties with which he has been charged.
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"Do unto another what you would have him do unto you, and do not do unto
another what you would not have him do unto you. Thou needest this law
alone. It is the foundation of all the rest."
--Confucius, 500 BCE
Harry
news:dkYX5.4866$1p2.4...@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net...
> I'm going to switch my local service back to Ameritech, cancel my Verizon
> phones and sign up for two Ameritech cell phones, cancel my Roadrunner and
> get Ameritech DSL.... I'm even going to get Caller ID, Call Waiting, Three
> Way calling, and Voicemail....
so, after cancelling everything, Ameritech should have you hooked up in,
let's say, no more than a year???
Mike
"Harry" <hma...@nopacspambell.net> wrote in message
news:PiaY5.129$gI1....@news.pacbell.net...
> "Mike" <mrog...@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:dkYX5.4866$1p2.4...@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net...
> > I'm going to switch my local service back to Ameritech, cancel my
Verizon
> > phones and sign up for two Ameritech cell phones, cancel my Roadrunner
and
> > get Ameritech DSL.... I'm even going to get Caller ID, Call Waiting,
Three
> > Way calling, and Voicemail....
>
> so, after cancelling everything, Ameritech should have you hooked up in,
> let's say, no more than a year???
>
that's actually pretty funny Harry.... and true.... i don't think any kind
of boycott of ameritech would do anything as they are so screwed up from a
service standpoint anyways...
Harry
SBC *should* help turn this dismal situation around. They have in other
parts of the country.