Re: [MV] Putting Gasoline Into A Diesel Car

[dgrev]

Glen

Very interesting. I note the word of caution
about "modern" highly tuned diesels being
unlikely to be forgiving of such treatment.

Does anyone know how "forgiving" the older
diesels, such as 1940s through to say 1980s
engines would be of dodgy diesel? eg.
diesel that is stale or has a % of petrol
in it?

==

In the British Commonwealth we call Gasoline
"Petrol" (the Canadians use the US terms).

I have never figured out why the US insists on
calling it "Gas" - when it is a liquid????

That being the case, what do you call gas? (The
stuff that is in pressure tanks and is used
for BBQs, heating and for cooking.)

I suspect all us MV owners have an alternate
name for petrol that contains ethanol, none
of which would be acceptable on a public
forum......

Almost all English speakers seem to use the
term "Diesel".

Regards
Doug

[Bookmonger]

"Gas" is shorthand for "gasoline".  (Germans call it Benzine.)  The pressurized fuel that powers BBQ grills most often is propane.  The stuff that powers many stoves, ovens, and heaters is called natural gas.  It too is shortened to "gas".  It's quite simple to figure out the meaning from context.   No one barbecues or heats their home with gasoline.  And for the time being, only transit buses in major metropolitan areas are powered by natural gas.   Powering a bus with gasoline would be prohibitively expensive — diesel engines routinely last for over a million miles.

Speaking of which, I don't know the percentage, but many of the transit buses where I live are powered by bio diesel.

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[dgrev]

A lot of cars in Australia are powered by gas (Propane).

No MVs that I know of.

> "Gas" is shorthand for "gasoline". (Germans call it Benzine.) The
> pressurized fuel that powers BBQ grills most often is propane.

We just call it "gas".

> The
> stuff that powers many stoves, ovens, and heaters is called natural
> gas.

Depends on if we live in a city or not. Reticulated gas (Natural Gas)
is only in the cities. Everyone in rural areas has to use "Bottled Gas"
(Propane).

> It too is shortened to "gas". It's quite simple to figure out the
> meaning from context. No one barbecues or heats their home with
> gasoline.

Thank heavens.

> And for the time being, only transit buses in major
> metropolitan areas are powered by natural gas.

Bio-diesel on some in Australia.

Regards
Doug

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[bob mccully]

Doug. Many many years ago some over the road truck drivers would put two gallons of gasoline in fifty gallons of diesel fuel to help the diesel engine get started in extremely cold conditions. With modern equipment, NO!  Bob

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[dgrev]

Bob

Thanks for the reply. I have about 60 litres of diesel with about
9 litres of petrol in it. Trying to figure out a use for it.
Yep, grabbed the wrong nozzle at the petrol station.......

I also have about 120 litres of English diesel. From what I can figure
it is about 7 years old. Had to dump it out of the vehicle it came in
as it smoked and stank like nothing I have ever smelt come out an
exhaust pipe. Refilled with new Aussie diesel and what a difference,
engine now runs clean and smells like diesel exhaust should. So don't
want to put it back in, even as a 1:10 shandy as whatever it has
now become, I don't regard it as "clean".

Regards
Doug

> Doug. Many many years ago some over the road truck drivers would put two
> gallons of gasoline in fifty gallons of diesel fuel to help the diesel
> engine get started in extremely cold conditions. With modern equipment,
> NO! Bob
>
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[rcas...@aol.com]

Find a friend with the multi fuel Kaiser Deuce and a half and give it to them. Those burn

Diesel, gas and JP-5, and almost anything you put into them. Designed for Military where finding good fuel was 

difficult.  I have one and it will burn ten year old boat gas along with kerosene and dirty oil mixed in.....

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[dgrev]

Thanks. But nobody in Oz that I know of neraby has a multi-fuel.
A couple
of FV-432 owners, but they are 700 miles from me.

Regards
Doug

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> >
> > "Gas" is shorthand for "gasoline". (Germans call it Benzine.) The
> > pressurized fuel that powers BBQ grills most often is propane. The
> > stuff that powers many stoves, ovens, and heaters is called natural
> > gas. It too is shortened to "gas". It's quite simple to figure out the
> > meaning from context. No one barbecues or heats their home with
> > gasoline. And for the time being, only transit buses in major
> > metropolitan areas are powered by natural gas. Powering a bus with
> > gasoline would be prohibitively expensive — diesel engines routinely
> > last for over a million miles.
> >
> > Speaking of which, I don't know the percentage, but many of the transit
> > buses where I live are powered by bio diesel.
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 6:51 PM, dgrev <dg...@iinet.net.au
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[bob mccully]

Doug, Since diesel attracts more water than gasoline does I've been using a product called "Marvel Mystery Oil" in both gasoline and diesel. It breaks up any water in the fuel, lubricates the valves and removes carbon from pistons and cylinder heads. I didn't believe it either until I saw the results in a high mileage engine. I don't know why it works just that it does. Good luck, Bob

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[dgrev]

Bob

I have seen the marvel oil mentioned before by Americans. But have
never seen it on the shelves here in Oz.

The nearest equivalent I have heard of is "Redex" which was a
popular upper cyclinder lubricant in the 1950s and 60s. Never
heard of it being used in diesels.

Heading warnings about diesel bug, I added some to the fuel tank
of one of my vehicles with bad results. On the next outing we
barely made it back home as the engine was missing and lacked
power. The bug additive had killed off the bug, which had then
all gone to the bottom of the tank and clogged the strainer.
It also collapsed and burst threw the primary fuel filter and
collapsed the secondary one.
I came to the conclusion I would have been better off leaving
the diesel and the bug alone. The end result would probably be
a steady deterioration and gradual clogging of filters instead
of the major event.
Had to remove the fuel tank and clean it, lousy job due to the
baffles. Nothing seemed to dissolve the bug slime, so just had
to pressure wash it out using kerosene and diesel.

Regards
Doug

> Doug, Since diesel attracts more water than gasoline does I've been
> using a product called "Marvel Mystery Oil" in both gasoline and diesel.
> It breaks up any water in the fuel, lubricates the valves and removes
> carbon from pistons and cylinder heads. I didn't believe it either until
> I saw the results in a high mileage engine. I don't know why it works
> just that it does. Good luck, Bob
>
>
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> >
> > "Gas" is shorthand for "gasoline". (Germans call it Benzine.) The
> > pressurized fuel that powers BBQ grills most often is propane. The
> > stuff that powers many stoves, ovens, and heaters is called natural
> > gas. It too is shortened to "gas". It's quite simple to figure out the
> > meaning from context. No one barbecues or heats their home with
> > gasoline. And for the time being, only transit buses in major
> > metropolitan areas are powered by natural gas. Powering a bus with
> > gasoline would be prohibitively expensive — diesel engines routinely
> > last for over a million miles.
> >
> > Speaking of which, I don't know the percentage, but many of the transit
> > buses where I live are powered by bio diesel.
> >
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[Ryan Gill]

Polish the fuel.

Ryan Gill
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[Terry Warner]

In more than two decades of driving a diesel VW car, I have only misfueled once.  Yes, the car ran rough and balky, but once the tank and filters were drained, it worked fine.

The debate of additives is interesting.  The 1985 Golf manual had a table giving dilution ratios for diesel to kerosene for very cold conditions.  As I recall, the most generous was about 30% kero'.  The '03 manual expressly and gruffly prohibits fuel dilution.  But how many clever fellows haven't run their vehicles on ordinary home heating oil instead of more expensive diesel?  I know a few.

Terry

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[Jason Green]

Or farm/off road diesel? 

[Bookmonger]

la... la... la... Good ol' red dye.

[Terry Warner]

Jason:

Putting dyed farm fuel in a car would be wrong (!!!)  I'm shocked you'd suggest such casual disobedience of the tax laws.

In my case, it has always been conventional motor fuel bought at the service station.  (Their fuel is guaranteed to be fresher than anything I might keep in the shed.)

TW

[Bookmonger]

"I'm shocked you'd suggest..."

I am suggesting nothing, simply providing information.  How it is used is completely up to the reader.

The subject came up years ago.  I had a friend whose home was heated with a diesel heater.  I could not get through to him* why he was wasting money buying diesel at the gas station and not the farm supply place.

*He could be pigheaded at times.  Hey, it was his money not mine.

[Terry Warner]

There needs to be a better sarcasm font on messages.  

On the other side of the coin, I know of a fellow who has a huge fuel oil tank in his garage that feeds both his old VW diesel and his furnace.

[Darrell]

On the subject of cheaper fuel. I occasionally check the prices of cooking oil at Costco.  Whenever it's cheaper that diesel. I by a bunch of it and just pour it in the fuel tank in the parking lot. I love the looks of people's face when I do this.  And the engine seems to run  smoother too.  Then engine I'm running is a 6.2 GM in my HMMWV.  I've also collected oil from Dairy Queen and filtered it out and used that too. I've never had any problems and my vehicle has no special modifications.  In fact this can be done with any Diesel engine with no modification. 

If you want to try it the formula is simple.  At 70' Fahrenheit. You can do a 50/50 mix. For ever 10' increase you can increase the oil by 10%. For every 10' below 70' you reduce the oil by 10%. Basically the hotter it is the thinner the oil and the colder it is the thicker it is. Basically you just want to avoid the oil from becoming thick enough to avoid clogging you fuel lines. If you're using the non Trans fat oils it's even less of a problem  because it's doesn't thicken up as much. And as far as I know this can be done with any Diesel engine without modification. 

[Terry Lane]

If you tried that with a new GM Duramax or new Dodge Cummins-- u would F it up big time-!! Not worth the liability when diesel is less than $2 per gallon now.

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[Darrell]

Thanks Terry for mentioning that.  I meant to say that I wasn't sure with how well this would work with engine built in the last 5 year because of all the sensors and computer programming engines have now days.

For everyone else benefit can you state why cooking oil would F up the new engine?  I'd like to know more about it. 

Also, I only buy cooking oil when it's cheaper than diesel but I only find that to be the case when diesel is $3.50 or higher.