Nihavent

[Utku Uzmen]

Hi,

I joined this group yesterday and I'm not sure about the overlap
between this one and other tuning-related lists on Yahoo, so I'd like
to post an introduction about my project (sorry if this is the 5th
time you're seeing this):

Nihavent is a music notation app for Turkish maqam music and
microtonal music. It lets you tune each staff level to any frequency,
adjust how the accidentals modify the pitch and hear the score played
with the correct intonation. It's missing certain conveniences like
copy-paste at the moment but those working with microtonal music might
still find it useful.

The app is now in beta and can be downloaded from http://www.nihavent.net/index_en.html
for Windows and Mac OS X. I'd love to hear everyone's opinion. Thanks
in advance.

Utku Uzmen

[Daniel Wolf]

Hi:

I just made a test run with your program. The concept is excellent and I
don't think I've seen a notation program that was so easy to use out of
the box. A special attraction for me, in addition to the tuning, was
finding out that I could enter a time signature with a non-power-of-two
denominator. I don't know another program that does that with playback
and without some major graphic kludge.

I realize that this is still a beta version, but I would like to mention
that the program loads very slowly on my XP machine while a browser is
running (I will try it on a Win7 machine later) and it would be very
useful to have both more places in the accidental table and to be able to
set the glyphs onself. Having the glyph set from Saggital, for example,
would be useful.

I have some other notes about the quality of the notation, input and
editing, but I'm not sure how far you wish to go with this. Is your
intention to focus on Maqam, or do you wish to accomodate more western
classical scoring? Is this to be a commercial package for professional
publication? My questions and comments would depend upon what you would
like to do with your program.

In any case, congratulations!

Daniel Wolf
Frankfurt

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[Utku Uzmen]

Hello Daniel,

Thank you for your comments. I'm not sure why Nihavent would load slowly
when a browser is running, but I'm aware that it's not very efficient on
older computers. There's also some extra debugging code in the beta version
that slows down the app somewhat.

I agree that the ability to import your own glyphs for accidentals would be
useful and this is likely to happen in a future version. Having built-in
Sagittal symbols is also a strong possibility.

Ultimately I'd like Nihavent to produce publication-quality notation and
accommodate classical scores fairly well, which will also benefit maqam
music notation. I also expect that will take much more time and effort.

Utku Uzmen

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From: "Daniel Wolf" <djw...@snafu.de>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:27 PM
To: <micro...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [microtools] Nihavent

[carl]

As I said on the MMM list, all microtonalists owe themselves this
download.

Regarding the mission of this list, Nihavent is by a mile the closest
thing out there.

Utku, may I ask what GUI toolkit you are using? Nihavent looks
stunning on Windows, and I see you've already got a Mac version too
(which I plan to try soon). In fact, the 'flat' look very much
reminds me of Ableton Live, which you may recognize as one of the
three inspirations of this list (in the logo on the list homepage).

-Carl

On May 26, 5:55 am, Utku Uzmen <utkuuz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I joined this group yesterday and I'm not sure about the overlap
> between this one and other tuning-related lists on Yahoo, so I'd like
> to post an introduction about my project (sorry if this is the 5th
> time you're seeing this):
>
> Nihavent is a music notation app for Turkish maqam music and
> microtonal music. It lets you tune each staff level to any frequency,
> adjust how the accidentals modify the pitch and hear the score played
> with the correct intonation. It's missing certain conveniences like
> copy-paste at the moment but those working with microtonal music might
> still find it useful.
>

> The app is now in beta and can be downloaded fromhttp://www.nihavent.net/index_en.html

[carl]

For the record, I am running this on Windows Vista 64 SP2, and it
loads almost instantly, even with Firefox and Chrome running at the
same time (and I have about 30 tabs open in Firefox as I type this). -
Carl

[Utku Uzmen]

I use the excellent Qt framework. The Mac version should look even better as
OS X has much better graphics rendering+antialiasing, especially noticeable
with the slurs.

The toolstrip style was actually inspired by Ableton Live, which is one of
my favorite audio apps.

Utku Uzmen

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From: "carl" <clu...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:00 AM
To: "Making Microtonal Tools" <micro...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [microtools] Re: Nihavent

-Carl

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[carl]

Great! QT seems to be the king of crossplatform toolkits. There's an
open source pitch detection package called Tartini which uses it.

http://groups.google.com/group/microtools/browse_thread/thread/4818847b9b877cd7

-Carl

[Daniel Wolf]

Could you make a Linux port? That would be extremely useful.

Daniel Wolf

[Utku Uzmen]

A Linux port is a possibility, but in my experience Linux involves a lot of
wrestling to get things working. I prefer to focus on improving the existing
versions first, but I'm not dismissing the idea entirely.

Utku Uzmen

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From: "Daniel Wolf" <djw...@snafu.de>

Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [microtools] Re: Nihavent

Daniel Wolf

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