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Susan Fitt

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Oct 19, 2001, 3:33:32 AM10/19/01
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Hi All,

I'm having trouble with font spacing in Arial Unicode IPA characters.
E.g. if I type (or insert from the symbol char) a row of n's, I get
normal font spacing. But, if I insert a row of IPA eng (char number
014B), they appear with large spaces between them. This happens for
many of the IPA characters.

The only way round it I've found so far is to manually alter the
character spacing for the affected characters - a pain, of course, and
then if I later change the font size the spacing is wrong again.

Since no-one else has mentioned this problem in discussions about this
font, am I missing something obvious? There must be a better solution
than manually altering the spacing for individual characters.

Susan Fitt
Edinburgh

Susan Fitt

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Oct 19, 2001, 3:37:03 AM10/19/01
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Hi again,

Forgot to say I'm using Word 2000.

Susan Fitt

Klaus Linke

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Oct 19, 2001, 4:08:06 AM10/19/01
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Hi Susan,

I had the problem once, and it went away after I reinstalled the font from the
Office CD.
The version I had problems with was downloaded from the microsoft website, but
it might have become corrupted later.

Greetings, Klaus

Klaus Linke

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Oct 19, 2001, 4:50:45 AM10/19/01
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Forgot to mention: the setting "Balance SBCS characters and DBCS characters"
in "Tools > Options >Compatibility" can also have this effect.

Klaus

Susan Fitt

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Oct 19, 2001, 6:56:41 AM10/19/01
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Hi Klaus,

Thanks for the suggestions. The font doesn't seem to be on my Office CD
(Office 2000 Standard). (I think I got my copy of the font from the
microsoft website.) The Balance SBCS characters seems to have no
effect. I've been hunting around for other places to get the font
without any success. Do you know of anywhere?

Susan Fitt
Edinburgh

Bob Buckland ?:-)

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Oct 19, 2001, 11:18:11 AM10/19/01
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Hi Susan,

The Arial MS Unicode font is available for
installation as part of Office 2000.
If you go Add/Remove Programs in the
Windows Control Panel, double click
on Office 2000, and use Add/Remove Features
add the 'Universal Font' under Internationl
Features from the Office Shared Features
area (although you may need to remove the old
one first if it doesn't change things).

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<<"Susan Fitt" <s...@cstr.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message news:3BD006E9...@cstr.ed.ac.uk...
Hi Klaus,

Thanks for the suggestions. The font doesn't seem to be on my Office CD
(Office 2000 Standard). (I think I got my copy of the font from the
microsoft website.) The Balance SBCS characters seems to have no
effect. I've been hunting around for other places to get the font
without any success. Do you know of anywhere?

Susan Fitt
Edinburgh>>
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Hope that helps,

Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office Products family MVP
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*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

Thomas Ferguson

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Oct 19, 2001, 11:30:52 PM10/19/01
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http://search.office.microsoft.com/result.aspx?qu=Arial%20Unicode

Tom
MSMVP PS-D

"Susan Fitt" <s...@cstr.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
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: Hi Klaus,

Klaus Linke

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Oct 20, 2001, 1:39:33 AM10/20/01
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I had the problem more than a year ago, and thought that reinstalling the font
fixed it.
But on re-examining the files that showed the problems, I remember the true
cause were wrong compatibility settings and/or funny style definitions.

The compatibility setting "Use Word 97 line breaking rules for Asian text" can
also have this effect.
Try if resetting all the compatibility options to the defaults for Word2000 helps.

In the documents I got with wrong "Arial Unicode MS" spacing, there also were
lots of funny settings in the style definitions. Since I use a german version,
I can only try to roughly translate them: "No punctuation outside of text
area, No automatic spacing between far east and western characters, No
automatic spacing between far east characters and digits, Alignment baseline".
The following macro got rid of these settings:

Sub FixStyles()
Dim myStyle as Style
For each myStyle in ActiveDocument.Styles
If myStyle.InUse=True Then
If myStyle.Type=wdStyleTypeParagraph Then
myStyle.ParagraphFormat.AddSpaceBetweenFarEastAndAlpha = True
myStyle.ParagraphFormat.AddSpaceBetweenFarEastAndDigit = True
myStyle.ParagraphFormat.BaseLineAlignment = wdBaseAlignAuto
myStyle.ParagraphFormat.HangingPunctuation = True
End If
End If
Next myStyle
End Sub

I guess all this was caused by some exotic language support in Word97 on the
author's machine.

Regards, Klaus

Susan Fitt

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Oct 22, 2001, 7:18:40 AM10/22/01
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Hi again all,

Thanks for the suggestions. I tried them all out, including
reinstalling the font and changing Word 2000 style settings, but with no
luck. Meanwhile, I have found a way of fixing the problem, which is
rather inconvenient but better than spending still more time trying to
fix it properly:

1. Insert the required IPA character(s) into Word 2000
2. Copy them via the clipboard to Powerpoint, where they display
correctly. (For some reason they don't appear in the Powerpoint
drop-down menu though).
3. Select them in Powerpoint and copy to clipboard.
4. Paste back into word, and reapplying the right font and point size
if necessary.

Voila, spacing correct.
Strange but true...

Susan Fitt

Thomas Ferguson

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Oct 24, 2001, 3:35:03 PM10/24/01
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This, I have discovered is due to a "bug" in Word 2000. Microsoft
development knows of it. I don't know when it will be fixed but I
would hope the first service pack for Office XP will have the fix.

Tom
MSMVP PS-D

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: Hi again all,

Klaus Linke

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Oct 26, 2001, 1:15:13 PM10/26/01
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Hi Thomas,

Do you know if it's a bug in Word, or in Arial Unicode MS? I always had the
problem only with this font.
If anyone else runs into that bug (and setting the compatibility options to
"Recommended options for: Microsoft Word 2000" doesn't help, as it does for
me), using another big Unicode font (like Lucida Sans Unicode) might do the trick.

Greetings, Klaus

Thomas Ferguson

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Oct 26, 2001, 5:39:53 PM10/26/01
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The reply I had from MS Typography states unambiguously that it is an
Office (Word) problem. However, the reply had no detail that would
rule out that it is a problem Word has with Arial Unicode (Unicode
Standard, Version 2.0) but not with some or all other Unicode fonts.

Tom

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: Hi Thomas,

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