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Mixxmondo
Jun 13, 2012, 3:34:55 PM6/13/12
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Hi.
I've posted this question in a previous thread but as there was no reply
I'm trying a second time.
I have a very long footonote, which covers more than one page even with
smaller fonts. As it is now, Word arranges it like this: it gives 3
lines of text and the rest of the page is taken by the footnote.
I'd like a more rational distribution of the footnote, half in one page
and half in the other.
I'm using Word 14.0 for Mac.
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance,
m
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Mixxmondo
Peter T. Daniels
Jun 13, 2012, 6:40:10 PM6/13/12
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Sorry, but the way Word does it is how footnotes are published in
scholarly work.
You might ask yourself whether it's necessary to have page-long
footnotes.
On Jun 13, 3:34 pm, Mixxmondo <Mixxmondo.a1ea...@wordbanter.com>
wrote:
scholarly work.
You might ask yourself whether it's necessary to have page-long
footnotes.
On Jun 13, 3:34 pm, Mixxmondo <Mixxmondo.a1ea...@wordbanter.com>
wrote:
Mixxmondo
Jun 13, 2012, 11:15:59 PM6/13/12
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Peter T. Daniels;492604 Wrote:
> Sorry, but the way Word does it is how footnotes are published in
> scholarly work.
>
> You might ask yourself whether it's necessary to have page-long
> footnotes.
>
>
footnotes - sometimes longer than the text itself. And I could give you
a hundred examples of "scholarly work" distributing such footnotes in a
more rational way.
A Word discussion forum is hardly the place for debating the usefulness
and extension of any given footnote. I'm hoping for a technical answer,
nothing more.
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Mixxmondo
Peter T. Daniels
Jun 14, 2012, 7:40:14 AM6/14/12
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On Jun 13, 11:15 pm, Mixxmondo <Mixxmondo.a1f5...@wordbanter.com>
wrote:
40 years now) that's just bad writing.
> And I could give you
> a hundred examples of "scholarly work" distributing such footnotes in a
> more rational way.
That might be interesting. Do they date from the 20th century?
wrote:
> Peter T. Daniels;492604 Wrote:
>
> > Sorry, but the way Word does it is how footnotes are published in
> > scholarly work.
>
> > You might ask yourself whether it's necessary to have page-long
> > footnotes.
>
> That's far from true, as a lot of fine scholarly work uses long
> footnotes - sometimes longer than the text itself.
Sorry, but (speaking as one who has been doing scholarly editing for
>
> > Sorry, but the way Word does it is how footnotes are published in
> > scholarly work.
>
> > You might ask yourself whether it's necessary to have page-long
> > footnotes.
>
> That's far from true, as a lot of fine scholarly work uses long
> footnotes - sometimes longer than the text itself.
40 years now) that's just bad writing.
> And I could give you
> a hundred examples of "scholarly work" distributing such footnotes in a
> more rational way.
Lisa Wilke-Thissen
Jun 14, 2012, 9:58:25 AM6/14/12
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Hi,
> That's far from true, as a lot of fine scholarly work
> uses long footnotes - sometimes longer than the text
> itself.
but that's not a quality feature. Instead it's bad writing - and poor
to read:
http://www.informatics.sussex.ac.uk/department/docs/punctuation/node48.html
http://grammar.about.com/od/fh/g/footnoteterm.htm
> A Word discussion forum is hardly the place for debating
> the usefulness and extension of any given footnote.
A newsgroup for Word seems to be a very good place to discuss topics of
typography/letter press as well.
There are many users, who havn't a clue about that. So they often ask
for Word features they shouldn't need.
> I'm hoping for a technical answer,
Word doesn't offer a possibility to control the position of footnote
text, or to split the text in a particular way.
Paragraph formatting like "Keep with next" will move footnote text to
the next page. However, it will not have the effect to main text as
expected.
May be, endnotes are an alternative for your document?
--
Cheers
Lisa [MS MVP Word]
> That's far from true, as a lot of fine scholarly work
> uses long footnotes - sometimes longer than the text
> itself.
to read:
http://www.informatics.sussex.ac.uk/department/docs/punctuation/node48.html
http://grammar.about.com/od/fh/g/footnoteterm.htm
> A Word discussion forum is hardly the place for debating
> the usefulness and extension of any given footnote.
typography/letter press as well.
There are many users, who havn't a clue about that. So they often ask
for Word features they shouldn't need.
> I'm hoping for a technical answer,
text, or to split the text in a particular way.
Paragraph formatting like "Keep with next" will move footnote text to
the next page. However, it will not have the effect to main text as
expected.
May be, endnotes are an alternative for your document?
--
Cheers
Lisa [MS MVP Word]
Lisa Wilke-Thissen
Jun 14, 2012, 10:16:28 AM6/14/12
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Hi,
> I have a very long footonote, which covers more
> than one page even with smaller fonts. As it is
> now, Word arranges it like this: it gives 3 lines
> of text and the rest of the page is taken by the footnote.
finally, when the document is finished, you can split your footnotes:
For example, footnote [1] is placed at the beginning of page 3. The
long footnote text fills nearly the whole page.
1. Insert a second footnote [*] some paragraphs behind footnote [1].
2. Cut a portion of the first footnote text [1], and paste it to
footnote text [*].
3. Then you have to format each [*] footnote character as hidden.
> I have a very long footonote, which covers more
> than one page even with smaller fonts. As it is
> now, Word arranges it like this: it gives 3 lines
> of text and the rest of the page is taken by the footnote.
For example, footnote [1] is placed at the beginning of page 3. The
long footnote text fills nearly the whole page.
1. Insert a second footnote [*] some paragraphs behind footnote [1].
2. Cut a portion of the first footnote text [1], and paste it to
footnote text [*].
3. Then you have to format each [*] footnote character as hidden.
Peter T. Daniels
Jun 14, 2012, 7:24:23 PM6/14/12
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On Jun 14, 9:58 am, "Lisa Wilke-Thissen" <wilke-this...@web.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > That's far from true, as a lot of fine scholarly work
> > uses long footnotes - sometimes longer than the text
> > itself.
>
> but that's not a quality feature. Instead it's bad writing - and poor
> to read:http://www.informatics.sussex.ac.uk/department/docs/punctuation/node4...http://grammar.about.com/od/fh/g/footnoteterm.htm
> Hi,
>
> > That's far from true, as a lot of fine scholarly work
> > uses long footnotes - sometimes longer than the text
> > itself.
>
> but that's not a quality feature. Instead it's bad writing - and poor
>
> > A Word discussion forum is hardly the place for debating
> > the usefulness and extension of any given footnote.
>
> A newsgroup for Word seems to be a very good place to discuss topics of
> typography/letter press as well.
> There are many users, who havn't a clue about that. So they often ask
> for Word features they shouldn't need.
>
> > I'm hoping for a technical answer,
>
> Word doesn't offer a possibility to control the position of footnote
> text, or to split the text in a particular way.
> Paragraph formatting like "Keep with next" will move footnote text to
> the next page. However, it will not have the effect to main text as
> expected.
> May be, endnotes are an alternative for your document?
There was a very well known professor of linguistics at Berkeley,
> > A Word discussion forum is hardly the place for debating
> > the usefulness and extension of any given footnote.
>
> A newsgroup for Word seems to be a very good place to discuss topics of
> typography/letter press as well.
> There are many users, who havn't a clue about that. So they often ask
> for Word features they shouldn't need.
>
> > I'm hoping for a technical answer,
>
> Word doesn't offer a possibility to control the position of footnote
> text, or to split the text in a particular way.
> Paragraph formatting like "Keep with next" will move footnote text to
> the next page. However, it will not have the effect to main text as
> expected.
> May be, endnotes are an alternative for your document?
Yakov Malkiel, who was famous for the extent of his footnotes. (They
were complete monographs, which other people might have published as
separate notes.) "Current Trends in Linguistics" is a massive
encyclopedia, published between 1960 and about 1976, 14 volumes in 21
fat parts. Every chapter in it (they range from maybe 10 to hundreds
of pages) has footnotes -- except for Malkiel's. Uniquely, it has
endnotes.
Peter T. Daniels
Jun 14, 2012, 7:25:58 PM6/14/12
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On Jun 14, 10:16 am, "Lisa Wilke-Thissen" <wilke-this...@web.de>
wrote:
He'll need to make the cuts at paragraph breaks, because the last line
of each footnote won't extend to the right margin.
wrote:
of each footnote won't extend to the right margin.
Mixxmondo
Jun 14, 2012, 7:43:37 PM6/14/12
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Lisa Wilke-Thissen;492610 Wrote:
>
>
> when the document is finished, you can split your footnotes:
> For example, footnote [1] is placed at the beginning of page 3. The
> long footnote text fills nearly the whole page.
>
> 2. Cut a portion of the first footnote text [1], and paste it to
> footnote text .
> 3. Then you have to format each footnote character as hidden.
>
Thanks for your kind help, Lisa.
I'd obviously prefer to avoid such a long footnote, but it is absolutely
necessary. Hence my insistence.
Your first suggestion (formatting with "keep with next") does not seem
to affect the text at all, for some strange reason. Maybe I'm doing some
mistake here, given that I'm a total Word illiterate.
So I tried the second suggestion (though I placed footnote after
footnote [1], not behind) and it works.
However, I only managed to go through steps 1 and 2: I have no idea how
to "format each footnote character as hidden". Any chance you can give
me a hint on this?
Thanks again for your kind suggestions,
m
--
Mixxmondo
Peter T. Daniels
Jun 15, 2012, 12:32:16 AM6/15/12
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On Jun 14, 7:43 pm, Mixxmondo <Mixxmondo.a205...@wordbanter.com>
wrote:
language, though this is virtually the only time you'd ever notice
it.)
> However, I only managed to go through steps 1 and 2: I have no idea how
> to "format each footnote character as hidden". Any chance you can give
> me a hint on this?
Select the character and type Ctrl-Shift-H. Do it at the front of each
such footnote also.
(Or go to the font-formatting panel and choose "Hidden."
(If you need to un-hide hidden text, type Ctrl-Shift-8 in order to
"Show Hidden Characters," and anything that's marked "hidden" will
appear with a dotted underline. Select what you want to unhide and
type Ctrl-Shift-H.)
wrote:
> Lisa Wilke-Thissen;492610 Wrote:
>
>
>
> > when the document is finished, you can split your footnotes:
> > For example, footnote [1] is placed at the beginning of page 3. The
> > long footnote text fills nearly the whole page.
>
> > 1. Insert a second footnote some paragraphs behind footnote [1].
> > 2. Cut a portion of the first footnote text [1], and paste it to
> > footnote text .
> > 3. Then you have to format each footnote character as hidden.
>
> Thanks for your kind help, Lisa.
> I'd obviously prefer to avoid such a long footnote, but it is absolutely
> necessary. Hence my insistence.
>
> Your first suggestion (formatting with "keep with next") does not seem
> to affect the text at all, for some strange reason. Maybe I'm doing some
> mistake here, given that I'm a total Word illiterate.
>
> So I tried the second suggestion (though I placed footnote after
> footnote [1], not behind) and it works.
(That's what she meant -- she's actually not writing in her first
>
>
>
> > when the document is finished, you can split your footnotes:
> > For example, footnote [1] is placed at the beginning of page 3. The
> > long footnote text fills nearly the whole page.
>
> > 1. Insert a second footnote some paragraphs behind footnote [1].
> > 2. Cut a portion of the first footnote text [1], and paste it to
> > footnote text .
> > 3. Then you have to format each footnote character as hidden.
>
> Thanks for your kind help, Lisa.
> I'd obviously prefer to avoid such a long footnote, but it is absolutely
> necessary. Hence my insistence.
>
> Your first suggestion (formatting with "keep with next") does not seem
> to affect the text at all, for some strange reason. Maybe I'm doing some
> mistake here, given that I'm a total Word illiterate.
>
> So I tried the second suggestion (though I placed footnote after
> footnote [1], not behind) and it works.
language, though this is virtually the only time you'd ever notice
it.)
> However, I only managed to go through steps 1 and 2: I have no idea how
> to "format each footnote character as hidden". Any chance you can give
> me a hint on this?
such footnote also.
(Or go to the font-formatting panel and choose "Hidden."
(If you need to un-hide hidden text, type Ctrl-Shift-8 in order to
"Show Hidden Characters," and anything that's marked "hidden" will
appear with a dotted underline. Select what you want to unhide and
type Ctrl-Shift-H.)
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