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Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney
May 5, 2015, 11:00:19 AM5/5/15
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Sorry, I know this is for XP -- can't find any other groups on older OS's.
Anyone recommend a browser for Win 2000 more functional than IE6 or Firefox 12. Those are the latest versions available for Win 2000 and several issues browsing with both of them. Upgrading OS is not possible in this particular situation -- dealing with elderly folks in another city.
It's important that these folks keep internet access because it's the only outside resource many of them have. But upgrading to a newer OS is not something they can do without help.
I have search online and no luck so far.
Thanks in advance.
Anyone recommend a browser for Win 2000 more functional than IE6 or Firefox 12. Those are the latest versions available for Win 2000 and several issues browsing with both of them. Upgrading OS is not possible in this particular situation -- dealing with elderly folks in another city.
It's important that these folks keep internet access because it's the only outside resource many of them have. But upgrading to a newer OS is not something they can do without help.
I have search online and no luck so far.
Thanks in advance.
VanguardLH
May 5, 2015, 3:53:59 PM5/5/15
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Snuffy McKinney wrote:
> Sorry, I know this is for XP -- can't find any other groups on older
> OS's.
microsoft.public.win2000.general
> Sorry, I know this is for XP -- can't find any other groups on older
> OS's.
alt.os.windows2000
> Anyone recommend a browser for Win 2000 more functional than IE6 or
> Firefox 12.
https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95346?hl=en
Only goes back to Windows XP, and only until the end of this year when
Google will discard support for Windows XP. I suspect when Google drops
Windows XP that other web browsers will, too.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-no-longer-works-windows-2000
Yep, Mozilla dropped support for Windows 2000 so all you can use are
their really old versions. Firefox 12 is about 2-1/2 years old. Of
course, Windows 2000 is over 15 years old with mainstream support dead
10 years ago and extended support dead 5 years ago.
As to finding web browsers that claim they still support Windows 2000:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements
That says Seamonkey still supports Windows 2000.
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Browsers/Maxthon-3.shtml
Could not find system requirements for Maxthon Cloud or even their older
versions at the Maxthon site other than supports [all] versions of
Windows (which is not true since 9x-based versions of Windows are not
included). There is a wiki for Maxthon but it has not been updated for
6 years. The following download site says Windows 2000 is supported:
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Browsers/Maxthon-3.shtml.
http://www.avantbrowser.com/support.aspx#systemreq
Says it supports all the way back to Windows NT (probably means NT 4).
Just because web browsers support Windows 2000 doesn't mean sites will
accept connections from those web browsers. Rather than test a web
browsing client for its capabilities, many sites still use the User
Agent string sent by the web browser to determine if the site will work
with that web browser. Sites will often list only a certain range of
web browsers and their versions by looking at the UA string sent by the
client. If the client's UA string isn't in their list, they may limit
or restrict access to their site. I don't know what UA string is sent
by Maxthon or Avant Browser. Those clients might have their own UA
string or they might send a UA string representing an old version of IE
or Firefox (or for whichever rendering engine is in use at the time).
There are add-ons (for some web browsers) that lets you send a different
UA string to lie to sites that use the UA string to determine if they
allow your web browser to [fully] use their site; however, lying about
which web browser connected to them will not magically create functions
that are missing in your client that a site may rely upon.
Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney
May 5, 2015, 8:17:17 PM5/5/15
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"VanguardLH" <V...@nguard.LH> wrote in message news:cqslei...@mid.individual.net...
Thanks VLH!! Very much appreciated. This will be a stopgap measure to keep their computer going unitl I can find the simplest way to get them upgraded with only non-technical people around to help. "Put plug A into slot B", etc... This is actually the way computers should work for everyone.
Especially as times goes on, average folks are getting less and less technically savvy. In the old timey days when folks lived on farms, they could do everything themselves. Now if someone pulls a sock into the vacuum cleaner it goes to the repair shop.
Especially as times goes on, average folks are getting less and less technically savvy. In the old timey days when folks lived on farms, they could do everything themselves. Now if someone pulls a sock into the vacuum cleaner it goes to the repair shop.
Richard Owlett
May 6, 2015, 7:22:57 AM5/6/15
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Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:
> "VanguardLH" <V...@nguard.LH> wrote in message news:cqslei...@mid.individual.net...
>> Snuffy McKinney wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I know this is for XP -- can't find any other groups on older
>>> OS's.
>>
>> microsoft.public.win2000.general
>> alt.os.windows2000
>>
>>> Anyone recommend a browser for Win 2000 more functional than IE6 or
>>> Firefox 12.
>>
>> Google Chrome
>> https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95346?hl=en
>> Only goes back to Windows XP, and only until the end of this year when
>> Google will discard support for Windows XP. I suspect when Google drops
>> Windows XP that other web browsers will, too.
>>
>> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-no-longer-works-windows-2000
>> Yep, Mozilla dropped support for Windows 2000 so all you can use are
>> their really old versions. Firefox 12 is about 2-1/2 years old. Of
>> course, Windows 2000 is over 15 years old with mainstream support dead
>> 10 years ago and extended support dead 5 years ago.
>>
>> As to finding web browsers that claim they still support Windows 2000:
>>
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements
>> That says SeaMonkey still supports Windows 2000.
> "VanguardLH" <V...@nguard.LH> wrote in message news:cqslei...@mid.individual.net...
>> Snuffy McKinney wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I know this is for XP -- can't find any other groups on older
>>> OS's.
>>
>> microsoft.public.win2000.general
>> alt.os.windows2000
>>
>>> Anyone recommend a browser for Win 2000 more functional than IE6 or
>>> Firefox 12.
>>
>> Google Chrome
>> https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95346?hl=en
>> Only goes back to Windows XP, and only until the end of this year when
>> Google will discard support for Windows XP. I suspect when Google drops
>> Windows XP that other web browsers will, too.
>>
>> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-no-longer-works-windows-2000
>> Yep, Mozilla dropped support for Windows 2000 so all you can use are
>> their really old versions. Firefox 12 is about 2-1/2 years old. Of
>> course, Windows 2000 is over 15 years old with mainstream support dead
>> 10 years ago and extended support dead 5 years ago.
>>
>> As to finding web browsers that claim they still support Windows 2000:
>>
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements
I'm happily using SeaMonkey 2.26.1 on WinXP Pro SP3 .
I've never bothered to play with the UA string.
I recommend following discussion of the last couple of SeaMonkey
releases on mozilla.support.seamonkey (server is
news.mozilla.org). I've noticed some grumbling about glitches in
last couple of releases - I've not followed it closely as I'm
obviously not one needing the "latest and greatest" doodads ;)
P.S. I was born when rationing was current events.
Mark Lloyd
May 6, 2015, 1:23:52 PM5/6/15
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On 05/05/2015 07:21 PM, Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:
[snip]
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements
>> That says Seamonkey still supports Windows 2000.
That appears to be an old page. The current version of Seamonkey does
NOT work on w2k.
As I expected, the changes (that make the new version incompatible with
w2k) are in the Gecko browser engine so would apply to any browser using it.
I just tried it to verify this. Seamonkey (latest version) puts up an
error message saying it requires at least XP SP2. The last version of
Seamonkey that supports w2k is from same time as the last version of
Firefox that supports w2k.
[snip]
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/
"The worst of madmen is a saint run mad" [Alexander Pope]
[snip]
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements
>> That says Seamonkey still supports Windows 2000.
NOT work on w2k.
As I expected, the changes (that make the new version incompatible with
w2k) are in the Gecko browser engine so would apply to any browser using it.
I just tried it to verify this. Seamonkey (latest version) puts up an
error message saying it requires at least XP SP2. The last version of
Seamonkey that supports w2k is from same time as the last version of
Firefox that supports w2k.
[snip]
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/
"The worst of madmen is a saint run mad" [Alexander Pope]
VanguardLH
May 6, 2015, 2:55:24 PM5/6/15
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Richard Owlett wrote:
> Snuffy McKinney wrote:
>
>> VanguardLH wrote ...
>>> http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Browsers/Maxthon-3.shtml
>>> http://www.avantbrowser.com/support.aspx#systemreq
Looks like Seamonkey reveals the OS and version on which it runs.
http://www.useragentstring.com/SeaMonkey2.0.6_id_16087.php
Shows Seamonkey's UA string shows Windows 2000 as the client's OS
version. So a site can still decide whether or not to let connect a
client running on that OS. Personal experience is limited as to
ascertaining if sites will allow the OP's customers to connect or not.
> Snuffy McKinney wrote:
>
>> VanguardLH wrote ...
>>
>>> Snuffy McKinney wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone recommend a browser for Win 2000 more functional than IE6 or
>>>> Firefox 12.
>>>
>>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements
>>> Snuffy McKinney wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone recommend a browser for Win 2000 more functional than IE6 or
>>>> Firefox 12.
>>>
>>> http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Browsers/Maxthon-3.shtml
>>> http://www.avantbrowser.com/support.aspx#systemreq
>>>
>>> Just because web browsers support Windows 2000 doesn't mean sites will
>>> accept connections from those web browsers. Rather than test a web
>>> browsing client for its capabilities, many sites still use the User
>>> Agent string sent by the web browser to determine if the site will work
>>> with that web browser.
>>
>>> Just because web browsers support Windows 2000 doesn't mean sites will
>>> accept connections from those web browsers. Rather than test a web
>>> browsing client for its capabilities, many sites still use the User
>>> Agent string sent by the web browser to determine if the site will work
>>> with that web browser.
>>
>> This will be a stopgap measure to keep their computer going unitl I
>> can find the simplest way to get them upgraded with only
>> non-technical people around to help.
>
>> can find the simplest way to get them upgraded with only
>> non-technical people around to help.
>
> I'm happily using SeaMonkey 2.26.1 on WinXP Pro SP3 .
> I've never bothered to play with the UA string.
http://www.useragentstring.com/pages/SeaMonkey/
> I've never bothered to play with the UA string.
Looks like Seamonkey reveals the OS and version on which it runs.
http://www.useragentstring.com/SeaMonkey2.0.6_id_16087.php
Shows Seamonkey's UA string shows Windows 2000 as the client's OS
version. So a site can still decide whether or not to let connect a
client running on that OS. Personal experience is limited as to
ascertaining if sites will allow the OP's customers to connect or not.
VanguardLH
May 6, 2015, 3:01:30 PM5/6/15
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Mark Lloyd wrote:
> VanguardLH (not Snuffy McKinney) wrote:
>
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements
>> That says Seamonkey still supports Windows 2000.
>
> That appears to be an old page. The current version of Seamonkey does
> NOT work on w2k.
>
> As I expected, the changes (that make the new version incompatible with
> w2k) are in the Gecko browser engine so would apply to any browser using it.
>
> I just tried it to verify this. Seamonkey (latest version) puts up an
> error message saying it requires at least XP SP2. The last version of
> Seamonkey that supports w2k is from same time as the last version of
> Firefox that supports w2k.
They need to update their documentation page(s); else, they mislead
their [prospective] users.
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/system-requirements
That page has support starting from Windows XP SP2. So it looks like
Maxthon and Avant Browser are left for use on Windows 2000. I didn't
bother researching all the minor variants of web browsers.
> VanguardLH (not Snuffy McKinney) wrote:
>
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements
>> That says Seamonkey still supports Windows 2000.
>
> That appears to be an old page. The current version of Seamonkey does
> NOT work on w2k.
>
> As I expected, the changes (that make the new version incompatible with
> w2k) are in the Gecko browser engine so would apply to any browser using it.
>
> I just tried it to verify this. Seamonkey (latest version) puts up an
> error message saying it requires at least XP SP2. The last version of
> Seamonkey that supports w2k is from same time as the last version of
> Firefox that supports w2k.
their [prospective] users.
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/system-requirements
That page has support starting from Windows XP SP2. So it looks like
Maxthon and Avant Browser are left for use on Windows 2000. I didn't
bother researching all the minor variants of web browsers.
VanguardLH
May 6, 2015, 3:33:34 PM5/6/15
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Snuffy McKinney wrote:
> Especially as times goes on, average folks are getting less and less
> technically savvy. In the old timey days when folks lived on farms,
> they could do everything themselves. Now if someone pulls a sock into
> the vacuum cleaner it goes to the repair shop.
In the old timey days, personal computers cost from $2500 to $8000. So
> Especially as times goes on, average folks are getting less and less
> technically savvy. In the old timey days when folks lived on farms,
> they could do everything themselves. Now if someone pulls a sock into
> the vacuum cleaner it goes to the repair shop.
hobbyists with lots of spare cash were buying PCs, not boobs that think
computers are like washing machines. With that huge layout of money,
you damn well took the time to learn how to be an expert admin. Back
then, a high-end VCR cost $900 so you learned how to use it versus the
$20 DVD players of today made for simpletons.
Saturating the market means reaching ignorant consumers.
Roger Blake
May 6, 2015, 5:07:17 PM5/6/15
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On 2015-05-06, VanguardLH <V...@nguard.LH> wrote:
> Saturating the market means reaching ignorant consumers.
I've given up suggesting that people should know what the hell they
> Saturating the market means reaching ignorant consumers.
are doing, it's just met with squawking about elitism, etc. Idiocracy
is our future.
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VanguardLH
May 6, 2015, 11:59:47 PM5/6/15
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Roger Blake wrote:
> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> Saturating the market means reaching ignorant consumers.
>
> I've given up suggesting that people should know what the hell they
> are doing, it's just met with squawking about elitism, etc. Idiocracy
> is our future.
Texting and social sites are destroying content. No contemplation, no
review before send, nothing much important but just a bunch of short
inane scribbles, and the Pavlov response of having to immediately reply.
Ooh, got a text, have to reply now while ignoring everyone around them
with whom they're supposed to be socializing. They're becoming isolated
anti-socials despite the pretense that they're communicationg with
someone. They won't call the other party and actually talk with them
because their speech and cognitive abilities are horrible.
Father Guido Sarducci's "5 Minute University"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLAd4NzuqYM
Sad is that he wasn't that far off.
> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> Saturating the market means reaching ignorant consumers.
>
> I've given up suggesting that people should know what the hell they
> are doing, it's just met with squawking about elitism, etc. Idiocracy
> is our future.
review before send, nothing much important but just a bunch of short
inane scribbles, and the Pavlov response of having to immediately reply.
Ooh, got a text, have to reply now while ignoring everyone around them
with whom they're supposed to be socializing. They're becoming isolated
anti-socials despite the pretense that they're communicationg with
someone. They won't call the other party and actually talk with them
because their speech and cognitive abilities are horrible.
Father Guido Sarducci's "5 Minute University"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLAd4NzuqYM
Sad is that he wasn't that far off.
Rene Lamontagne
May 7, 2015, 8:12:49 AM5/7/15
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antyisocial things ever invented.
Regards, Rene
masonc
May 9, 2015, 8:26:02 PM5/9/15
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On Tue, 5 May 2015 14:53:55 -0500, VanguardLH <V...@nguard.LH> wrote:
>Snuffy McKinney wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I know this is for XP -- can't find any other groups on older
>> OS's.
>
>microsoft.public.win2000.general
>alt.os.windows2000
>
>> Anyone recommend a browser for Win 2000 more functional than IE6 or
>> Firefox 12.
>
>Google Chrome
>https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95346?hl=en
>Only goes back to Windows XP, and only until the end of this year when
>Google will discard support for Windows XP. I suspect when Google drops
>Windows XP that other web browsers will, too.
Re: Time now for class-action to protect $$MM investments in XP
>Snuffy McKinney wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I know this is for XP -- can't find any other groups on older
>> OS's.
>
>microsoft.public.win2000.general
>alt.os.windows2000
>
>> Anyone recommend a browser for Win 2000 more functional than IE6 or
>> Firefox 12.
>
>Google Chrome
>https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95346?hl=en
>Only goes back to Windows XP, and only until the end of this year when
>Google will discard support for Windows XP. I suspect when Google drops
>Windows XP that other web browsers will, too.
>
Must wait for the damage to be real -- for the case to be "ripe"
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