Windows Updates is offering MS Office 2007 updates -> but I have Office 2000 installed (?)

[XP Guy]

I've got an XP machine that I rarely run the MS updates on.

I'm running the automatic updates right now and it's offering me about a
dozen Office 2007 patches / fixes.

Thing is, I've got Office 2000 SR1 premium installed on this thing.

The updates are generically described as:

"Security Update for Microsoft Office 2007 System"
"Security Update for Microsoft Office 2007 Suites"
"Security Update for Microsoft Office Powerpoint 2007"

Do I want to download these patches - even though I don't have Office
2007?

[glee]

"XP Guy" <X...@Guy.com> wrote in message news:4FB418C7...@Guy.com...

You may have the 2007 Compatibility Pack installed, so you can view and
edit Office files made with the later version of Office. If you have
the Compatibility Pack installed, it takes updates for Office 2007.
Alternately, you may have 2007 PowerPoint Viewer installed... that will
also require Office 2007 updates.
--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+

[XP Guy]

glee wrote:

> > I'm running the automatic updates right now and it's offering me
> > about a dozen Office 2007 patches / fixes.
> >
> > Thing is, I've got Office 2000 SR1 premium installed on this
> > thing.

> You may have the 2007 Compatibility Pack installed, so you can view
> and edit Office files made with the later version of Office. If
> you have the Compatibility Pack installed, it takes updates for
> Office 2007.

Yea, I think I did install the compatibility pack at one point.

I downloaded these office 2007 updates and it didn't seem to break
anything...

[BillW50]

In news:4FB4EA4D...@Guy.com,
XP Guy typed:

I downloaded all Office 2000 updates manually and saved them all years
ago. As I figured that one day, Microsoft would remove them from their
servers. There was a SR-1 (which I call SP-1 below), but you have that
one. Then you don't need SP-2, since SP-3 (it is only about 13MB in
size) includes both SP-2 and SP-3. And I also noted the Word 2000 build
versions so you know how far in updates Word currently is.

Microsoft Word 2000 (9.0.2720)
Microsoft Word 2000 (9.0.3821 SP-1)
Microsoft Word 2000 (9.0.6926 SP-3)
Microsoft Word 2000 (9.0.8968 SP-3) after 13 more updates

Then these are the last updates after SP-3. I don't know if Microsoft
still has them on their servers anymore, but you can check.

REQUIRED UPDATES
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Security Update for Microsoft Excel 2000 (KB969683)
3683 KB / Download Time = 1 min at your connection speed
A security vulnerability exists in Microsoft Excel 2000 that could allow
arbitrary code to run when a maliciously modified file is opened. This
update resolves that vulnerability.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Security Update for Microsoft Word 2000 (KB969600)
4002 KB / Download Time = 1 min at your connection speed
A security vulnerability exists in Microsoft Word 2000 that could allow
arbitrary code to run when a maliciously modified file is opened. This
update resolves the vulnerability so that Microsoft Word 2000 documents
are handled appropriately.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Security Update for Office 2000 (KB944425)
1383 KB / Download Time = < 1 min at your connection speed
A security vulnerability exists in Microsoft Office 2000 that could
allow arbitrary code to run when a maliciously modified file is opened.
This update resolves that vulnerability.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Security Update for Microsoft Office 2000 (KB947361)
2810 KB / Download Time = 1 min at your connection speed
A security vulnerability exists in Microsoft Office 2000 that could
allow arbitrary code to run when a maliciously modified file is opened.
This update resolves that vulnerability.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Security Update for Microsoft Outlook 2000 (KB946986)
2601 KB / Download Time = 1 min at your connection speed
A security vulnerability exists in Microsoft Outlook 2000 that could
allow arbitrary code to run when you click on a maliciously modified
hyperlink. This update resolves that vulnerability.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Security Update for Office 2000 (KB921606) (English version)
489 KB / Download Time = < 1 min at your connection speed
A security vulnerability exists in Microsoft Office 2000 that could
enable arbitrary code to run when a maliciously modified file is opened.
This security update resolves that vulnerability.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Security Update for Microsoft Office 2000 (KB921595) (English version)
524 KB / Download Time = < 1 min at your connection speed
A security vulnerability exists in Microsoft Office 2000 that could
allow arbitrary code to run when a maliciously modified file is opened.
This update resolves that vulnerability.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Security Update for Access Snapshot Viewer 2000 (KB955441) (English
version)
87 KB / Download Time = < 1 min at your connection speed
A security vulnerability exists in the Snapshot Viewer that could allow
arbitrary code to run when you open a maliciously modified web page or
document. This update resolves that vulnerability.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Security Update for Microsoft Office 2000 Web Components (KB931660)
1294 KB / Download Time = < 1 min at your connection speed
A security vulnerability exists in the Microsoft Office Web Components
2000 that could allow arbitrary code to run when a maliciously modified
file is opened. This update resolves that vulnerability.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Security Update for Microsoft Office 2000 (KB957838) (English version)
144 KB / Download Time = < 1 min at your connection speed
A security vulnerability exists in Microsoft Office 2000 that could
allow arbitrary code to run when a maliciously modified document is
opened. This update resolves that vulnerability.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Security Update for Microsoft PowerPoint 2000 (KB957790)
1797 KB / Download Time = < 1 min at your connection speed
A security vulnerability exists in Microsoft PowerPoint 2000 that could
allow arbitrary code to run when a maliciously modified file is opened.
This update resolves that vulnerability.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Security Update for Outlook 2000 (KB905646) (English version)
3333 KB / Download Time = 1 min at your connection speed
A security vulnerability exists in Microsoft Outlook 2000 that could
allow arbitrary code to run when opening a malicious document. This
update addresses that vulnerability.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Security Update for PowerPoint 2000 (KB905555) (English version)
26 KB / Download Time = < 1 min at your connection speed
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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[BillW50]

In news:jp31ft$1nm$1...@dont-email.me,
BillW50 typed:

Say you know what? There was a SR-1 and a SR-1a. Check your Word build
version. If it doesn't say 9.0.3821, then you need the "Office 2000 -
SR1aDL.exe" update (53MB) first before you can install SP-3 and the
later 13 updates.

[glee]

"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message
news:jp32gi$8sk$1...@dont-email.me...

>> snip

>
> Say you know what? There was a SR-1 and a SR-1a. Check your Word build
> version. If it doesn't say 9.0.3821, then you need the "Office 2000 -
> SR1aDL.exe" update (53MB) first before you can install SP-3 and the
> later 13 updates.

The question was about the Office 2007 updates...

[BillW50]

In news:jp3bs7$bcj$1...@dont-email.me,

Yes and the question was if Office 2007 updates Office 2000 too? And the
answer is, no it doesn't and the above is what you need to update Office
2000.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2

Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3

[glee]

"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message

news:jp3ckr$gke$1...@dont-email.me...

Actually, no.... that was not the question. Re-read the original post.
Nowhere was it asked "if Office 2007 updates Office 2000 too". The OP
asked why he was offered OFF2007 updates when he had OFF2000, and if he
should install them.

[BillW50]

In news:jp3d4u$jh0$1...@dont-email.me,

They can install Office 2007 updates, but it will only help the 2007
Compatibility Pack *only*. While they still have Office 2000 and only
patched up to SR-1 and it has much further to go to be fully patched.
Why is this so hard for you?

[glee]

"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message

news:jp3dj1$mmr$1...@dont-email.me...

Not hard for me at all, but apparently hard for you.... and for what
reason must you insult people? There was NO QUESTION OR STATEMENT
regarding whether the 2007 patches updated Ver. 2000. The question was,
does he need the 2007 patches. Again, re-read the original question.

[BillW50]

In news:jp3dr4$og6$1...@dont-email.me,

What is so hard to understand? If you go to Windows updates or Office
updates and if you have Office 2000 SR-1, Microsoft will show you *no*
updates for Office 2000 at all. No matter how unpatched your Office 2000
is. The reason is because that Microsoft has drop support for Office
2000 and also removed the Office 2000 patches.

So when I try to help the guy out, you have to play mind games with
people and act foolish. Don't you have other people to bother instead?
Wife, brother, kids, dog, or something?

[glee]

"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message

news:jp3ej4$tro$1...@dont-email.me...

smh. One-track mind. The question was not at any point "how do I find
Office 2000 updates". Yes, the support cycle is over for Office 2000.
Once support has ended for any product, automatic updates are no longer
available, updates must be obtained through the Download Center.
So, you want to give the OP info about the unavailability of Office 2000
updates via automatic updates... all well and good. My point is that
you never once addressed the original question, not once.

Just for clarity, your reference to Windows Update and to Office Update
sites for Office updates of any kind, is incorrect. At NO time could
you ever get Office Updates from "Windows Update". There have not been
automatic updates available from Office Update site for a few years, and
they were never available from Windows Update. Automatic updates for
supported versions of Office are only available from Microsoft Update,
which is a different service than Windows Update. Office Update
transferred its updating to Microsoft Update some time ago. FYI....

[Char Jackson]

Why not just admit that you misread the OP's post and move on? We all
make mistakes. Any why the snarky "Why is this so hard for you"?

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Char Jackson" <no...@none.invalid>

Because he wrote such a lenthy reply ;-)

--
Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

[Char Jackson]

On Thu, 17 May 2012 15:21:17 -0400, "David H. Lipman"
<DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:

>From: "Char Jackson" <no...@none.invalid>
>
>> Why not just admit that you misread the OP's post and move on? We all
>> make mistakes. Any why the snarky "Why is this so hard for you"?
>
>Because he wrote such a lenthy reply ;-)

;-)

[BillW50]

In news:jp3fml$61i$1...@dont-email.me,

glee wrote:
> "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message
> news:jp3ej4$tro$1...@dont-email.me...

>> What is so hard to understand? If you go to Windows updates or Office
>> updates and if you have Office 2000 SR-1, Microsoft will show you
>> *no* updates for Office 2000 at all. No matter how unpatched your
>> Office 2000 is. The reason is because that Microsoft has drop
>> support for Office 2000 and also removed the Office 2000 patches.
>>
>> So when I try to help the guy out, you have to play mind games with
>> people and act foolish. Don't you have other people to bother
>> instead? Wife, brother, kids, dog, or something?
>
> smh. One-track mind. The question was not at any point "how do I
> find Office 2000 updates". Yes, the support cycle is over for Office
> 2000. Once support has ended for any product, automatic updates are
> no longer available, updates must be obtained through the Download
> Center. So, you want to give the OP info about the unavailability of
> Office
> 2000 updates via automatic updates... all well and good. My point is
> that you never once addressed the original question, not once.

Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else told
him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am trying to help
them by telling them what they need to update Office 2000 because they
are very unlikely to find it any place else except from me.

> Just for clarity, your reference to Windows Update and to Office
> Update sites for Office updates of any kind, is incorrect. At NO
> time could you ever get Office Updates from "Windows Update". There
> have not been automatic updates available from Office Update site for
> a few years, and they were never available from Windows Update.
> Automatic updates for supported versions of Office are only available
> from Microsoft Update, which is a different service than Windows
> Update. Office Update transferred its updating to Microsoft Update
> some time ago. FYI....

For starters I can only speak about the Office Update site for Office
2000. I don't have 2003 or later so I wouldn't know how that works
except the part about 2007 Compatibility Pack, which I too have seen.
And prior to Office 2000, Office updates were done through Windows
Update. And since 2005, Windows and Office updates can be had through
the single Microsoft Update site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_Update

[glee]

"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message

news:jp3j89$und$1...@dont-email.me...

Bwahahahaha! No one but you can supply that simple information? You've
GOT to be joking! It's readily available info all over the web... any
search engine will bring you to the info in seconds.

>> Just for clarity, your reference to Windows Update and to Office
>> Update sites for Office updates of any kind, is incorrect. At NO
>> time could you ever get Office Updates from "Windows Update". There
>> have not been automatic updates available from Office Update site for
>> a few years, and they were never available from Windows Update.
>> Automatic updates for supported versions of Office are only available
>> from Microsoft Update, which is a different service than Windows
>> Update. Office Update transferred its updating to Microsoft Update
>> some time ago. FYI....
>
> For starters I can only speak about the Office Update site for Office
> 2000. I don't have 2003 or later so I wouldn't know how that works
> except the part about 2007 Compatibility Pack, which I too have seen.
> And prior to Office 2000, Office updates were done through Windows
> Update. And since 2005, Windows and Office updates can be had through
> the single Microsoft Update site.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_Update

Office Updates were never done through Windows Update for any version,
that I have seen, going back to office 95 and 97. Windows Update did
not include Office products or updates.... Office was always kept
separate until the advent of Microsoft Update.

[Char Jackson]

On Thu, 17 May 2012 14:15:45 -0500, "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote:

>Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else told
>him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am trying to help
>them by telling them what they need to update Office 2000 because they
>are very unlikely to find it any place else except from me.

In that case, we're extremely fortunate to have you as a resource.

[BillW50]

Go for it Glen. Show us where all of the updates you need for Office
2000 SR1 is in one simple list. If you can prove it, we will believe
you. But in any case, we are calling your bluff!

>>> Just for clarity, your reference to Windows Update and to Office
>>> Update sites for Office updates of any kind, is incorrect. At NO
>>> time could you ever get Office Updates from "Windows Update". There
>>> have not been automatic updates available from Office Update site for
>>> a few years, and they were never available from Windows Update.
>>> Automatic updates for supported versions of Office are only available
>>> from Microsoft Update, which is a different service than Windows
>>> Update. Office Update transferred its updating to Microsoft Update
>>> some time ago. FYI....
>>
>> For starters I can only speak about the Office Update site for Office
>> 2000. I don't have 2003 or later so I wouldn't know how that works
>> except the part about 2007 Compatibility Pack, which I too have seen.
>> And prior to Office 2000, Office updates were done through Windows
>> Update. And since 2005, Windows and Office updates can be had through
>> the single Microsoft Update site.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_Update
>
> Office Updates were never done through Windows Update for any version,
> that I have seen, going back to office 95 and 97. Windows Update did not
> include Office products or updates.... Office was always kept separate
> until the advent of Microsoft Update.

Really, refresh my memory where we got Office 95 and Office 97 updates
from? And Office Update is the wrong answer since they were never there.
And while my memory isn't 100% perfect, but Wikipedia's memory says the
same thing.

Also odd, this web site says to go to Windows Update to get Office 97
updates:

http://www.ehow.com/how_6396430_update-microsoft-office-97.html

Now why on earth would they say that Glen? Could it be that you don't
know what you are talking about? Naw, that couldn't be, right Glen?

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12

[BillW50]

What's the problem Char?

Assumptive 1: I assumed the OP wanted to know why they were being
offered Office 2007 update because they have Office 2000.

Assumption 2: I assumed the OP thought that Microsoft would keep their
Office 2000 updated.

So I cleared these two up if they had these misunderstandings. I kept
this list for myself and I have offered it to others who wants to know
how to manually update Office 2000, since there isn't any means to
automatically update Office 2000 anymore.

The people who needed to update Office 2000 so far has always thanked
me. And the bastards who could careless criticizes me for trying to help
others. You know like Glen, David, and yourself.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12

[Char Jackson]

On Thu, 17 May 2012 17:04:06 -0500, BillW50 <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote:

>On 5/17/2012 3:03 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 14:15:45 -0500, "BillW50"<Bil...@aol.kom> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else told
>>> him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am trying to help
>>> them by telling them what they need to update Office 2000 because they
>>> are very unlikely to find it any place else except from me.
>>
>> In that case, we're extremely fortunate to have you as a resource.
>
>What's the problem Char?
>
>Assumptive 1: I assumed the OP wanted to know why they were being
>offered Office 2007 update because they have Office 2000.
>
>Assumption 2: I assumed the OP thought that Microsoft would keep their
>Office 2000 updated.

You know what happens when you assume, right?

[Char Jackson]

On Thu, 17 May 2012 16:41:05 -0500, BillW50 <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote:

>On 5/17/2012 3:02 PM, glee wrote:
>> "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message
>> news:jp3j89$und$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> In news:jp3fml$61i$1...@dont-email.me,
>>> glee wrote:
>>>>
>>>> smh. One-track mind. The question was not at any point "how do I
>>>> find Office 2000 updates". Yes, the support cycle is over for Office
>>>> 2000. Once support has ended for any product, automatic updates are
>>>> no longer available, updates must be obtained through the Download
>>>> Center. So, you want to give the OP info about the unavailability of
>>>> Office
>>>> 2000 updates via automatic updates... all well and good. My point is
>>>> that you never once addressed the original question, not once.
>>>
>>> Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else told
>>> him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am trying to
>>> help them by telling them what they need to update Office 2000 because
>>> they are very unlikely to find it any place else except from me.
>>
>> Bwahahahaha! No one but you can supply that simple information? You've
>> GOT to be joking! It's readily available info all over the web... any
>> search engine will bring you to the info in seconds.
>
>Go for it Glen. Show us where all of the updates you need for Office
>2000 SR1 is in one simple list. If you can prove it, we will believe
>you. But in any case, we are calling your bluff!

Who is this "we" that you always talk about? Do you have multiple
personalities?

[BillW50]

In news:k8abr7h2jr8ok9jjt...@4ax.com,
Char Jackson typed:

No lots of friends Char.

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[BillW50]

In news:u6abr7hf74848al41...@4ax.com,
Char Jackson typed:

Not in this case Char. If I assumed wrong, nothing changes.

--
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Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

[Char Jackson]

I think you left out two commas, which changes things somewhat.
Anyway, where are the 'we' folk? How come they never speak? Are they
mice in your pocket?

[Char Jackson]

On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:50:15 -0500, "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote:

>In news:u6abr7hf74848al41...@4ax.com,
>Char Jackson typed:
>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 17:04:06 -0500, BillW50 <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/17/2012 3:03 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 14:15:45 -0500, "BillW50"<Bil...@aol.kom>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else
>>>>> told him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am
>>>>> trying to help them by telling them what they need to update
>>>>> Office 2000 because they are very unlikely to find it any place
>>>>> else except from me.
>>>>
>>>> In that case, we're extremely fortunate to have you as a resource.
>>>
>>> What's the problem Char?
>>>
>>> Assumptive 1: I assumed the OP wanted to know why they were being
>>> offered Office 2007 update because they have Office 2000.
>>>
>>> Assumption 2: I assumed the OP thought that Microsoft would keep
>>> their Office 2000 updated.
>>
>> You know what happens when you assume, right?
>
>Not in this case Char. If I assumed wrong, nothing changes.

Nothing changes? You answered a question that was never asked.

[glee]

replies inline, below...

"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message

news:jp3r9h$kme$1...@dont-email.me...

> On 5/17/2012 3:02 PM, glee wrote:

>>> snip

>>> Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else told
>>> him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am trying to
>>> help them by telling them what they need to update Office 2000
>>> because
>>> they are very unlikely to find it any place else except from me.
>>
>> Bwahahahaha! No one but you can supply that simple information?
>> You've
>> GOT to be joking! It's readily available info all over the web... any
>> search engine will bring you to the info in seconds.
>
> Go for it Glen. Show us where all of the updates you need for Office
> 2000 SR1 is in one simple list. If you can prove it, we will believe
> you. But in any case, we are calling your bluff!

Simple... go to http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/search.aspx
Type Office 2000 in the Search box at the top, and press the Enter key.
Very easy.

Because they are incorrect. Wikipedia and Ehow are your go-to sources?
The Wikipedia page says nothing about Office Updates being available via
Windows Update service. Ehow is wrong.

Office Updates prior to 1998 came from www.microsoft.com/office where
there were updates listed among the Office downloads available, in an
area called Free Stuff and Software Library, I believe.... plus an
Office 97 Version Checker tool you could download and run to determine
if you had the necessary prerequisites for a particular service pack.
You searched and downloaded manually. Updates were also available for
Office 97 on Microsoft Tools on the Web.

I believe it was in 1998 sometime, the site was changed to
http://officeupdate.microsoft.com. It did not yet support automatic
updates, so you had to find the updates yourself till they added a
scanner to do it for you on the site that worked with Office 2000 and
newer. You could, however, become a member of Office Update and get
email notifications of new add-ins and updates. Automatic updates
directly on your computer, for Office, came later.

How did YOU get updates for Office 95 and 97, Bill? Surely you used
them and got updates, no? I know you didn't get them via Windows
Update, because it only had updates for Windows and it's components,
including IE/OE.

[BillW50]

In news:jp4v6i$hvh$1...@dont-email.me,
glee typed on Fri, 18 May 2012 03:53:55 -0400:

> replies inline, below...
>
> "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message
> news:jp3r9h$kme$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 5/17/2012 3:02 PM, glee wrote:
>>>> snip
>>>> Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else
>>>> told him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am
>>>> trying to help them by telling them what they need to update
>>>> Office 2000 because
>>>> they are very unlikely to find it any place else except from me.
>>>
>>> Bwahahahaha! No one but you can supply that simple information?
>>> You've
>>> GOT to be joking! It's readily available info all over the web...
>>> any search engine will bring you to the info in seconds.
>>
>> Go for it Glen. Show us where all of the updates you need for Office
>> 2000 SR1 is in one simple list. If you can prove it, we will believe
>> you. But in any case, we are calling your bluff!
>
> Simple... go to http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/search.aspx
> Type Office 2000 in the Search box at the top, and press the Enter
> key. Very easy.

Easy? Your idea of easy and mine are totally different. Neither the OP
nor I have the time to weed through 387 hits. I always knew you always
waste my time. But I didn't know that you also waste other's time
as well.

Both Wikipedia and Ehow allow people to correct their content. If you
feel they are in error, feel free to correct them, no big deal.
Microsoft is also sometimes wrong, but Microsoft has no means for
somebody to correct their errors.

> Office Updates prior to 1998 came from www.microsoft.com/office where
> there were updates listed among the Office downloads available, in an
> area called Free Stuff and Software Library, I believe.... plus an
> Office 97 Version Checker tool you could download and run to determine
> if you had the necessary prerequisites for a particular service pack.
> You searched and downloaded manually. Updates were also available for
> Office 97 on Microsoft Tools on the Web.
>
> I believe it was in 1998 sometime, the site was changed to
> http://officeupdate.microsoft.com. It did not yet support automatic
> updates, so you had to find the updates yourself till they added a
> scanner to do it for you on the site that worked with Office 2000 and
> newer. You could, however, become a member of Office Update and get
> email notifications of new add-ins and updates. Automatic updates
> directly on your computer, for Office, came later.

Office 97 was never updated through www.microsoft.com/office for one.
And I am looking at my Office 2000 CD and it says
www.microsoft.com/office right on the jewel box. And Wikipedia says the
exact same thing.

> How did YOU get updates for Office 95 and 97, Bill? Surely you used
> them and got updates, no? I know you didn't get them via Windows
> Update, because it only had updates for Windows and it's components,
> including IE/OE.

I never had Office 95 and I hated Office 97 because it crashed all of
the time. And I don't recall how I update Office 97 anymore. But I do
recall the update called Office 2000 that actually fixed Office 97. And
Office 2000 was stable and Office 97 was not.

--
Bill

Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2

Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

[Nil]

On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

> I never had Office 95 and I hated Office 97 because it crashed all
> of the time. And I don't recall how I update Office 97 anymore.
> But I do recall the update called Office 2000 that actually fixed
> Office 97. And Office 2000 was stable and Office 97 was not.

In a former job I supported hundreds of Office 97 users. There were
absolutely no such "crashing all the time" problem. I used Office 97
myself for many years, and I don't remember it ever crashing. It's one
of the most stable things I had ever seem come out of Microsoft at that
time. Much more so than Office 95, which DID tend to crash, which is
why we got rid of it when 97 was available. Office 2003, which I now
use, is also solid as a rock.

Nobody else has the constant computer problems you do. I wonder why
that is?

[BillW50]

In news:XnsA06692AA...@wheedledeedle.moc,
Nil typed:

That is because I explain this over and over again and dupes like you
still don't get it. And unlike dupes like you, some of us push our
software to the limits. And when we do, we find flaws in the software.
Just like your grandmother isn't likely to find a stability problem with
her automobile. But a professional test driver will. Same idea.

And I don't know why you think that it was only I who had stability
problems with Office 97 either. As a simple Internet search will show
you are full of it. For example:

What limits? For example, some resource leaks in Office 97 and
Windows 98 caused it to go unstable after a few hours. I know
about such so I know to avoid commiting any support to that
issue. Point? Know what limits are there and don't tell anyone
it works. -- Bob

http://forums.cnet.com/7723-6129_102-52998/paradox-files-as-mailmerge-datasource-in-word-97/

If you're using Office 97, you have my condolences. It's
unstable, ornery, and lacks all sorts of important features
that appeared in Office 2000. That said, I know many of you
plod along with it, and I know how hard it is to get the bean
counters (and even, surprisingly, the IT folks in some shops)
to get with the system. -- kaplinb

http://windowssecrets.com/forums/showthread.php/17919-Testing-Office-97-on-WinXP-(Off-97-SR1)

[glee]

"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message

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Geez, you're just sad. You think finding updates on the MSFT download
site is too hard. You can't operate Windows or Office without constant
problems. You can't use a search engine well enough to find references
to Office Update prior to 2000. Office 97 updates were downloaded from
www.microsoft.com/office. I don't really care if you want to believe it
or not. Did you ever even download updates for Office 97?

Here is just one reference, from Feb. 1998 when Office 97 was the latest
version, of how updates and extras were made available starting at that
time, through www.microsoft.com/office.
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.outlook97.program_forms/browse_thread/thread/a39cd1c5528f6edd/4c8565d6d3ea91d3?q=microsoft+office+update

When you learn how to use a search engine, you can find the info
yourself instead of calling people names and letting us do your homework
for you. I've wasted too much time answering your ridiculous statements
because you're too lazy to do your own research.

[Nil]

On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

> That is because I explain this over and over again and dupes like
> you still don't get it. And unlike dupes like you, some of us push
> our software to the limits.

Apparently, you missed it where I said I supported hundreds of
Office 97 users. Developers and salesmen who pushed it to the
limits every day. They could break things even worse than you could.

Some people has problems, usually with everything they touched. Most
had no problems. Guess which category you fall into?

> http://forums.cnet.com/7723-6129_102-52998/paradox-files-as-mailmerge-datasource-in-word-97/

Did you even bother to read that? It's about an issue with a Paradox
ODBC driver, not Office 97. I've never been able to make Access work
properly with Paradox database files under any version of Office.

> http://windowssecrets.com/forums/showthread.php/17919-Testing-Office-97-on-WinXP-(Off-97-SR1)

Did you even bother to read that? It's an unspecific unsupported
rant about an old version without the latest Service Pack. You'd
have to be an idiot to draw any conclusion from that, or even
mention it.

[BillW50]

In news:jqe08h$3su$1...@dont-email.me,
glee typed:

Really? I am running XP SP2 without any problems whatsoever. I also run
Office 2000 without any problems whatsoever. I ran Windows 3.1 besides a
few flaky drivers without problems. I am running Windows 2000 on a
netbook without problems. And I can go on and on. Any more delusions you
want to tell us about Glen?

> You can't use a search engine well enough to find
> references to Office Update prior to 2000.

I did Glen, you just forgot and are delusional. But you rejected them
because you say they are wrong.

> Office 97 updates were downloaded from www.microsoft.com/office. I
> don't really care if you want to believe it or not. Did you ever even
> download updates for Office 97? Here is just one reference, from Feb.
> 1998 when Office 97 was the latest version, of how updates and extras
> were made available starting at that time, through
> www.microsoft.com/office.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.outlook97.program_forms/browse_thread/thread/a39cd1c5528f6edd/4c8565d6d3ea91d3?q=microsoft+office+update
>
> When you learn how to use a search engine, you can find the info
> yourself instead of calling people names and letting us do your
> homework for you. I've wasted too much time answering your
> ridiculous statements because you're too lazy to do your own research.

Where does it say Office 97 updates are found at
www.microsoft.com/office at the link you had posted, Glen? I see goodies
that Office 97 users can use, but nothing about updates. Are you really
that incompetent?

Here, let me help your incompetence.

http://web.archive.org/web/19990117003141/http://www.microsoft.com/office/default.htm

This is what www.microsoft.com/office looked like back in 1999. And it
shows a link to Office 97 SR2 and everything else is about up and coming
Office 2000. And the site didn't exist prior to February of 1998. So
where did you get your Office 97 updates from?

[Nil]

On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

> That is because I explain this over and over again and dupes like
> you still don't get it. And unlike dupes like you, some of us push
> our software to the limits.

Oh, and another thing: how exactly did you "push Office 97 to its
limits" in order to make it "crash all the time"? Please be as specific
as you can. I'm truly curious, because I saw people do the most bizarre
things with Excel and Word, and I never saw it crash all the time.
Maybe once in a blue moon, but "all the time"... never. I used to use
Access extensively, and if it ever crashed, it was something I did with
VBA, not the program itself. Very stable and reliable.

[Nil]

On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

> Where does it say Office 97 updates are found at
> www.microsoft.com/office at the link you had posted, Glen? I see
> goodies that Office 97 users can use, but nothing about updates.
> Are you really that incompetent?

As he mentioned before, that's an old site that's not used any more.
That's why he used the word "WAS". That means, "past tense".

Office 97 updates are still available at

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/office.aspx?q=office

All you have to do is search for Office 97 in the search bar at the top
of the page. Is that really so hard?

[BillW50]

In news:XnsA066B2B6...@wheedledeedle.moc,
Nil typed:

> On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in
> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:
>
>> That is because I explain this over and over again and dupes like
>> you still don't get it. And unlike dupes like you, some of us push
>> our software to the limits.
>
> Apparently, you missed it where I said I supported hundreds of
> Office 97 users. Developers and salesmen who pushed it to the
> limits every day. They could break things even worse than you could.

Apparently you missed kaplinb post:

If you're using Office 97, you have my condolences. It's
unstable, ornery, and lacks all sorts of important features
that appeared in Office 2000. That said, I know many of you
plod along with it, and I know how hard it is to get the bean
counters (and even, surprisingly, the IT folks in some shops)
to get with the system. -- kaplinb

And kaplinb knows and admits that even some IT people don't get it. And
what you don't get Nil is some people like kaplinb and others are light
years ahead. So it is totally understandable why you don't get it.

> Some people has problems, usually with everything they touched. Most
> had no problems. Guess which category you fall into?
>
>> http://forums.cnet.com/7723-6129_102-52998/paradox-files-as-mailmerge-datasource-in-word-97/

You are not very bright Nil! Some people find problems very fast that
many will never find in a thousand years. You confuse dummies with those
that are gifted. I understand if you are not very bright and how that
could be very confusing. No big deal, most don't get it anyway. But
there are many pros who do.

> Did you even bother to read that? It's about an issue with a Paradox
> ODBC driver, not Office 97. I've never been able to make Access work
> properly with Paradox database files under any version of Office.
>
>> http://windowssecrets.com/forums/showthread.php/17919-Testing-Office-97-on-WinXP-(Off-97-SR1)
>
> Did you even bother to read that? It's an unspecific unsupported
> rant about an old version without the latest Service Pack. You'd
> have to be an idiot to draw any conclusion from that, or even
> mention it.

Yes I did and kaplinb stated that Office 97 isn't worth using period.
And Bob stated that Office 97 is full of memory leaks and coupled with
Windows 98 with its own memory leaks that Office 97 would crash in a few
hours. Yes that is exactly what I had found as well. Why you couldn't
see this too? Well some people can't find their way out of a wet paper
bag either. Go figure.

[BillW50]

In news:XnsA066BFA5...@wheedledeedle.moc,
Nil typed:

I found the same thing that Bob had found. Both Office 97 and Windows 98
had memory leaks and sooner or later Office 97 would crash. Office 97
coupled with Windows 2000 or later might be ok, since Windows 2000 and
later didn't have that System Resource limit that Windows 98 did. So the
memory leaks in Office 97 didn't really mean much as all it did is to
eat more VM and it probably could stay stable.

I don't remember much about Office 97 and Windows 2000. As when I was
running Windows 2000 (thank goodness) I was also quickly running Office
2000 (also thank goodness) which worked well together. Stable as a rock
for me. Later Windows versions like XP, Windows 7 and 8, Office 2000
was/is still stable. And so far it does everything that I need that I
see no reason to go to a later version of Office. Office 2003 was/is a
bit tempting though, but not worth the price for me.

[Nil]

On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

> And kaplinb knows and admits that even some IT people don't get
> it. And what you don't get Nil is some people like kaplinb and
> others are light years ahead. So it is totally understandable why
> you don't get it.

Who is this "kaplinb" and why do you put so much stock in his
unsupported, unspecific rant? Do you know him personally, or have some
insight as to what, specifically, he's referring to?

> You are not very bright Nil! Some people find problems very fast
> that many will never find in a thousand years. You confuse dummies
> with those that are gifted. I understand if you are not very
> bright and how that could be very confusing. No big deal, most
> don't get it anyway. But there are many pros who do.

>> Did you even bother to read that? It's about an issue with a
>> Paradox ODBC driver, not Office 97. I've never been able to make
>> Access work properly with Paradox database files under any
>> version of Office.

So, you decline to address the point that their problem was with the
ODBC driver, and not Office. OK, I though you would.

> Yes I did and kaplinb stated that Office 97 isn't worth using
> period. And Bob stated that Office 97 is full of memory leaks and
> coupled with Windows 98 with its own memory leaks that Office 97
> would crash in a few hours. Yes that is exactly what I had found
> as well. Why you couldn't see this too? Well some people can't
> find their way out of a wet paper bag either. Go figure.

So, you decline to address the point that this anonymous person is
ranting about an old, unpatched version of Office, running on another
platform than the one under discussion. OK, I thought you would.

[BillW50]

In news:XnsA066C0F1...@wheedledeedle.moc,
Nil typed:

Well I never stated that Office 97 updates are not available. Although
Glen made it sound like Office 97 updates could always be found at
www.microsoft.com/office. But that wasn't true since Office 97 was
around long before that site ever existed.

[glee]

"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message

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I really can't accept that you are as stupid as you are making yourself
out to be. Your screenshot from the web archive (missing all the
graphics) does not show anything but the "News" page. The Office
downloads and updates were via the links right on that page that even
you should be able to see.... the ones that say "Downloads and More...",
for example. The "Office 97" link for ordering Office 97 is on the
right side.

First you claimed there was NO Office Update site prior to Office 2000,
then confronted about that misinformation, you claim that it DID exist
but there were no updates.... so it was an Update site with no updates?
Seriously, you are going to propose that? Did you even read the info at
the link I gave you? It was copied and pasted into the reply posted
there, directly from the Office web site in 1998. It clearly states:
"You'll find previously posted Free Stuff throughout this new site, all
now under the Update umbrella. This has been part of the re-design and
re-structuring of the entire Office site...". Apparently you can't
understand that word, UPDATE, repeated throughout the copy. "All it
takes is one registration, which you can complete by linking to
http://www.microsoft.com/office/update1.asp"... there's that word
again... UPDATE.

I wonder if you ever even got updates for Office 97... you're just
arguing with no first-hand experience of the site at that time. To go
back to your original statement in this thread regarding Office updates,
you claim Office updates prior to Office 2000 came from Windows Update.
That is simply not true. Rant on, you lose more credibility with each
post you make.

As for your many issues with software, you yourself admitted them in
your reply to Nil a little while ago, among other places. As I said,
you're just sad.

[glee]

"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message

news:jqe78a$f6a$1...@dont-email.me...

> In news:XnsA066C0F1...@wheedledeedle.moc,
> Nil typed:
>> On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in
>> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:
>>
>>> Where does it say Office 97 updates are found at
>>> www.microsoft.com/office at the link you had posted, Glen? I see
>>> goodies that Office 97 users can use, but nothing about updates.
>>> Are you really that incompetent?
>>
>> As he mentioned before, that's an old site that's not used any more.
>> That's why he used the word "WAS". That means, "past tense".
>>
>> Office 97 updates are still available at
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/office.aspx?q=office
>>
>> All you have to do is search for Office 97 in the search bar at the
>> top of the page. Is that really so hard?
>
> Well I never stated that Office 97 updates are not available. Although
> Glen made it sound like Office 97 updates could always be found at
> www.microsoft.com/office. But that wasn't true since Office 97 was
> around long before that site ever existed.

Before the Office Update site existed by that name, there was still a
separate Office support and download page with updates, as was already
mentioned in the link I gave earlier today. The ONLY thing on the
Windows Update site re: Office was a LINK in the corner of the main page
that took you to the separate Office update pages at Microsoft.

[BillW50]

In news:XnsA066C434...@wheedledeedle.moc,
Nil typed:

> On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in
> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:
>
>> And kaplinb knows and admits that even some IT people don't get
>> it. And what you don't get Nil is some people like kaplinb and
>> others are light years ahead. So it is totally understandable why
>> you don't get it.
>
> Who is this "kaplinb" and why do you put so much stock in his
> unsupported, unspecific rant? Do you know him personally, or have some
> insight as to what, specifically, he's referring to?

No I don't know him from Adam, but I know what they are talking about. I
also know many IT people. Some are barely brighter than an average user
and a few are really knowledgeable.

>> You are not very bright Nil! Some people find problems very fast
>> that many will never find in a thousand years. You confuse dummies
>> with those that are gifted. I understand if you are not very
>> bright and how that could be very confusing. No big deal, most
>> don't get it anyway. But there are many pros who do.
>
>>> Did you even bother to read that? It's about an issue with a
>>> Paradox ODBC driver, not Office 97. I've never been able to make
>>> Access work properly with Paradox database files under any
>>> version of Office.
>
> So, you decline to address the point that their problem was with the
> ODBC driver, and not Office. OK, I though you would.

The ODBC driver wasn't important, but the general comments about Office
97 were. Although that flew right over your head.

>> Yes I did and kaplinb stated that Office 97 isn't worth using
>> period. And Bob stated that Office 97 is full of memory leaks and
>> coupled with Windows 98 with its own memory leaks that Office 97
>> would crash in a few hours. Yes that is exactly what I had found
>> as well. Why you couldn't see this too? Well some people can't
>> find their way out of a wet paper bag either. Go figure.
>
> So, you decline to address the point that this anonymous person is
> ranting about an old, unpatched version of Office, running on another
> platform than the one under discussion. OK, I thought you would.

You still don't get it. Office 97 has too many memory leaks. Windows 98
itself also has memory leaks. Both when combined means instability
problems. And that is exactly what I had found too. I don't remember if
I ever ran Office 2000 under Windows 98 or if I ever ran Office 97 under
Windows 2000. If I did it was for just a brief period of time and was
forgotten. I can tell you though that Office 97 coupled with Windows 98
was a disaster. And I do remember that Office 97 and Windows 95 was even
worse.

[Nil]

On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

> The ODBC driver wasn't important, but the general comments about
> Office 97 were. Although that flew right over your head.

The ODBC driver is precisely the subject of that conversation you
cited. That apparently flew over your head.

> You still don't get it. Office 97 has too many memory leaks.
> Windows 98 itself also has memory leaks. Both when combined means
> instability problems. And that is exactly what I had found too. I
> don't remember if I ever ran Office 2000 under Windows 98 or if I
> ever ran Office 97 under Windows 2000. If I did it was for just a
> brief period of time and was forgotten. I can tell you though that
> Office 97 coupled with Windows 98 was a disaster. And I do
> remember that Office 97 and Windows 95 was even worse.

I must assume you never updated Office 97 to SR-2, which fixed most
problems. Too bad you had to suffer so unnecessarily.

[glee]

"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message

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> In news:XnsA066C0F1...@wheedledeedle.moc,
> Nil typed:
>> On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in
>> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:
>>
>>> Where does it say Office 97 updates are found at
>>> www.microsoft.com/office at the link you had posted, Glen? I see
>>> goodies that Office 97 users can use, but nothing about updates.
>>> Are you really that incompetent?
>>
>> As he mentioned before, that's an old site that's not used any more.
>> That's why he used the word "WAS". That means, "past tense".
>>
>> Office 97 updates are still available at
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/office.aspx?q=office
>>
>> All you have to do is search for Office 97 in the search bar at the
>> top of the page. Is that really so hard?
>
> Well I never stated that Office 97 updates are not available. Although
> Glen made it sound like Office 97 updates could always be found at
> www.microsoft.com/office. But that wasn't true since Office 97 was
> around long before that site ever existed.

That site, www.microsoft.com/office was already in operation in 1997...
it was in operation through most of the life of Office 97. Here's just
a couple of the references to downloading an Office 97 service pack from
that site at that time:

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.office.setup/browse_thread/thread/522913b0f650e51e/10c340d7d11759d6?q=office+97+service+pack

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.ms-windows.apps.word-proc/browse_thread/thread/a6336d865666ecc3/1ca2308a467b4258?q=office+97+service+pack

Gee, wonder how they referenced the site if it didn't exist.... as I
said, you are just ranting.

[glee]

"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message

news:jqe3qi$o5g$1...@dont-email.me...

Didn't exist prior to Feb 1998? LOL.... silly man.

www.microsoft.com/office was already in operation in 1997... it was in

operation through most if not all of the life of Office 97. Here's just

a couple of the references to downloading an Office 97 service pack from
that site at that time:

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.office.setup/browse_thread/thread/522913b0f650e51e/10c340d7d11759d6?q=office+97+service+pack

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.ms-windows.apps.word-proc/browse_thread/thread/a6336d865666ecc3/1ca2308a467b4258?q=office+97+service+pack

Still want to make up your own facts instead of dealing with the
reality? Tell me, how was the site being referenced to in posts in
mid-1997 if it didn't exist?

[glee]

"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message

news:jqddgb$fb9$1...@dont-email.me...
> In news:jp4v6i$hvh$1...@dont-email.me,

>>
>
> Both Wikipedia and Ehow allow people to correct their content. If you
> feel they are in error, feel free to correct them, no big deal.
> Microsoft is also sometimes wrong, but Microsoft has no means for
> somebody to correct their errors.

Wrong again.... Microsoft has had a link for feedback and corrections in
every one of their Knowledge Base articles for well over a decade, as
well as channels to contact support staff.

> Office 97 was never updated through www.microsoft.com/office for one.
> And I am looking at my Office 2000 CD and it says
> www.microsoft.com/office right on the jewel box. And Wikipedia says
> the
> exact same thing.

Office 97 was updated through that site since 1997. Your Office 2000 CD
jewel case mentions the site.... proving what exactly about Office 97?
Nothing. We already know and agree that the site was available for
Office 2K. It does NOT say on your jewel case that the update site was
not available for Office 97. The change for Office 2K was that the site
could auto-scan your computer for Office updates that were needed.

You've already stated in other replies that you "only know about Office
2000" because you didn't use other Office versions.... yet you continue
to argue what you don't know anything about. Give it up, you're just
embarrassing yourself.