Recently i installed new Kingston RAM two sticks of 1GB wanted to upgrade
since i had 512MB RAM.After i installed new RAM computer took around 20
seconds to boot up,power light,hard disk and fans all working but no beep
that happens at first when you boot up computer and nothing on the
screen.Then it booted up normally.Couple of days ago when i started computer
it didn't boot at all.Only power light,hard disk and fans are working but
again nothing on the screen and no POST beep.
I took off new RAM and installed the old ones that came with the
computer.It booted up normally without any problem.
Is it a problem with the new RAM i bought or a power supply problem.Please
help me solve this problem.
Specification of the new RAM i got is : two sticks of Kingston 1GB DDR
PC-3200
Old RAM are 2x256MB 400MHZ
Computer specification
Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000 Series
Intel 865 PE, FSB 800
Dual DDR 400
AGP 8x
Power supply: Infinity 450W
Video card: ATI 7500
Operating System: Windows XP Home Service Pack 2
Any help would be very much appreciated
Also use the Crucial Memory Advisor Tool
http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM
Compare how close the specs are between what
Crucial recommends and what the specs are for your
Kingston memory.
"Pool" <Po...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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I already done that test and it gave me no errors.That is why i don't know
if it is a RAM problem or something related to PSU.You said it could be a
case of a wrong memory for my PC how should i know if this is the
case.Motherboard handles till 4GB beside new RAM and old ones both have same
bus 400.Help me please.
Go to Kingston's web site and check the specs
for the part number. Then go to the manufacture's web
site for your 512MB sticks.
Also it not a good idea in some cases to have both your
old and new memory installed at the same time.
If the new memory and this sometime happens it could
explain the problem but you said you ran Memtest86+
on the new ram and it passed so it's not likely a Power
Supply problem as memory does not use all that much power
unless your overclocking.
Try running Memtest86+ one more time and after say 15 Memtest86++
touch the case with your finger (removes any static charge) and then
touch one of the memory chips or the heat spreader if it has one
and see how hot the memory stick is, should only feel slightly warm
to the touch, if it's very hot and your not overclocking (assuming the
specifications are correct for your PC) then something's wrong.
Please post back the make and model of your PC or if home built
the motherboard make and model.
Another tool is CPUZ (AKA CPUID),
http://www.cpuid.com/
this will list your memory bus speed and the memory speed
your new sticks are running at.(CPUID needs to run from Windows
so may be only a to get the values from your older memory)
"Pool" <Po...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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here is what written on the box of the RAM i bought please tell me if it is
compatible with the motherboard i have
Kingston: KVR800D2N6/1G
1GB PC2-6400 CL6 240-Pin DIMM
On the stick of RAM is written : 1GB DDR PC-3200
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T
Thanks again
I didn't install both RAMs old and new ones at the same time.Now i only
have the old ones which are installed.I even tried to only install one Stick
of the new RAM in a different slot and still didn't work.I wrote you the
model of the new RAM i got a little while ago
The computer is a home built
Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series GA-8IPE1000-L , 2004 GT Edition
Chipset: Intel 865PE, FSB 800, Dual DDR 400, AGP 8x
Processor: Intel 3.0 MHZ Socket 478
Hope that helps.Thanks again
Have similar Gigabyte motherboard, except its the "Pro" version. 2 Crucial
512MB RAM modules in sockets 1 and 3. Worked fine from day 1.
If one RAM module don't work for you, 2 is further self-abuse.
Further, on page 15 of the motherboard manual:
The following tables include all memory-installed combination types:
(Please note that those types not in the tables will not boot up.)
http://europe.giga-byte.com/FileList/Manual/motherboard_manual_8ipe1000p_e.pdf
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Hope this helps.
Gerry
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Kingston KVR800D2N6/1G Specs:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/configurator_new/partsinfo.asp?root=us&LinkBack=http://www.kingston.com&ktcpartno=KVR800D2N6/1G&id=1
Also check the FSB speed for your Intel Processor
Motherboard manual (Page 55), BIOS setting = Memory Frequency For [Auto]
"Pool" <Po...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Thank you so much for trying to help me solve the problem i am having.
I checked Memory frequency in Bios and here what i found
Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100
Also here is what written on the old RAM which came with the
computer,Please tell me if it is the same compatible with the new RAM i
bought recently.Now i installed old RAM inorder to be able to use the
computer.
Old RAM : Two sticks of Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ, CL3 PC3200U-30330
New RAM: Two sticks of Kingston 1GB DDR PC-3200
Motherboard: Gigabyte Pentium 4 Titan Series, GA-8IPE1000-L Series
FSB 800 , Dual DDR 400, AGP 8X, 2004 GT Edition
Processor : 3.0GHZ Socket 478
I am not trying to install old RAM with new RAM,i am trying to only install
the new RAM i got because i want more memory.If you can tell me if the above
specifications are compatible i would be very much appreciated.Thanks again
Also you Gigabyte motherboard uses "MIT's" technology
which has been know to cause the PC to fail to boot on socket 775
motherboards when you first install new memory, this may or may not
be the case with the older sockets 478 motherboards.
The solution is to only install one memory stick and power up
the PC and let the BIOS "learn" the memory requirements
and then after a few successful reboots then install the second
memory stick.
"Pool" <Po...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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At one point, you said the package label read
Kingston: KVR800D2N6/1G 1GB PC2-6400 CL6 240-Pin DIMM
That is DDR2 memory. And yet, the memory module itself, has this for a label
1GB DDR PC-3200 CT1GD64SH08BL-5T
At least the first part of that, is consistent with DDR PC3200 memory.
The same type as the Elixir 256MB DDR400, CL3 PC3200U-30330.
I'm not able to find a match on the "CT1GD64SH08BL-5T" string.
If I look at a stick of Kingston "Valueram", it looks like this.
This is unbuffered PC3200 DDR memory, a 184 pin DIMM. There are
no small buffering chips in the middle of the module. There are
eight chips per side, because the module doesn't have ECC protection
via a ninth memory chip. Notice the part number, begins with "KVR",
not "CT".
http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/20-141-307-S02?$S640W$
This Crucial brand memory, begins with a CT part number.
http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/20-148-089-02.jpg
You'll notice in this example, the Crucial part number is CT12864Z40B.
The 128x64 is 128 million locations by 8 bytes wide, for a total of
1GB of memory. So the "12864" translated to 1GB. The letters on the
end, appear to help identify the memory family (SDRAM, DDR, DDR2, DDR3)
and the speed grade.
http://www.provantage.com/crucial-technology-memory-ct12864z40b~7CIAL5AH.htm
So to start, I would look carefully again, at the label on the RAM.
A Crucial memory, is unlikely to ship in a Kingston box :-)
This is registered DDR memory. If you bought this, it won't work in
an 865PE chipset motherboard. This is used for server computers.
The extra funny chips in the center of the module, tell me this
is registered. the funny chips in the center, are smaller than
a regular memory chip. There are two register chips, and a
clock phase locked loop chip. These modules have nine memory chips
per side, meaning they also support ECC error protection. So the
module is actually registered ECC PC3200 server memory. They're quite
different looking, than the eight chip unbuffered UDIMM discusses first.
These would be RDIMM modules, where the R stands for Registered.
http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/20-145-310-04.jpg
http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/20-145-310-05.jpg
Paul
Here are the specifications of both new and old RAM
Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ , PC3200U-30330
N2DS25680BT-ST
0351.EME03C1201B.120393M.XX.TW
Kingston: 1GB DDR PC-3200
ELPIDA , D5108AGTA-5B-E
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T
I tried installing one stick of 1GB then i booted it worked normally.Then
when i tried booting again it took around 20 seconds to boot up.I tried
booting a third time it didn't boot at all.Now i am using old RAM.Is it a RAM
problem or is it something with the power supply.Please help.
Why ask here? Your problem is related to pure hardware and has
nothing to do with XP (read the group title).
The memory chip, appears to be a 64Mx8 DDR PC3200 chip.
EDD5108AGTA-5B-E DDR400B(3-3-3)
http://www.elpida.com/en/products/details/EDD5108AGTA.html
If the module had 16 of those chips, it should be a good one.
A low density 1GB module, shouldn't have a problem with
an 865PE motherboard.
Paul
If you can select "Load Optimized Defaults", then Save and Exit the BIOS.
Then power down, turn off the power supply or remove the power cord
wait 30 seconds and insert the second memory stick.Power up and if see if
all is well.
If still having problems power down and remove one stick.
Then power up and from the main BIOS Menu enter the "Check PC Health"
status.
(Page 53 of the motherboard manual)
Next check the "Frequency and Voltage Control"
The "CPU Core voltage" ,
"Memory Frequency (MHz)" and "CPU Host Frequency (MHz)"
Note: Mem Freq number must be equal to or less the Ram Stick ratings.
(Page 55) Same for memory voltages. If you can change the
After you check and adjust any values if necessary go back to the
main BIOS menu and press Ctrl+F1, Gigabyte sometime hides
the advanced setting from users. Let me know if Ctrl+F1 brings
up any additional bios settings
"Pool" <Po...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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I will follow the steps you mentioned and i will update you with the
results.Thanks again
I cannot get the computer to boot using 1GB RAM so i have no way to enter
BIOS.I can give you the information you wanted to know in BIOS using 256MB
RAM which is installed to be able to use the computer
PC Health Status
VCore OK
DDR25V OK
+3.3V OK
+5V Ok
+12V OK
Current CPU Temperature 64C
Current CPU FAN Speed 3835 RPM
Current System FAN Speed 0 RPM
Frequency / Voltage Control
CPU Host Clock Control [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency(MHZ) 100
AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed 66/33/100
Memory Frequency For [Auto]
Memory Frequency(MHZ) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency(MHZ) 66/33/100
DIMM over Voltage Control [Normal]
AGP over Voltage Control [Normal]
CPU Voltage Control [Normal]
Normal CPU VCore 1.5256V
Advanced Chipest Features
Configure DRAM Timing [SPD]
CAS Latency Time 3
Active to Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3
Refresh Mode Select 7.8 us
When i pressed on CTRL+F1 it didn't give me anything
Please tell me what i shall i do next.
If i consider getting a new RAM what are the specifications i should look
for inorder to be sure it will work with the motherboard i have.Also do you
think changing power supply unit could solve the problem because lately it's
Fan make noises not like it used to be.Thanks again
If you have a 350 Watt power supply now then replace it
with a 450 or 550 watt supply to give you some spare wattage
in case you plan additional upgrades.
Now as to the memory issue, if the computer works fine with
the old memory sticks then you either have defective sticks or
more likely incompatible memory. Try the Crucial Memory
Advisor link: http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM
From what you posted the value of your
"Current CPU Temperature 64C" is way too high especially
if the computer is basically at idle (no load). You may want
to look at a better heatsink and fan plus Arctic Clean 1& 2 to
clean off the old past or pad one your CPU
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arcticlean.htm
and Arctic "Ceramique" for the thermal paste.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique.htm
Read the instructions carefully on how to remove the old
past/pad from the CPU and the clean it using Artic Clean.
Same for applying the paste for a socket 478 CPU. Do
it properly and you CPU should drop down to about 34C
at idle.
But take care of the memory issue first.
Also check your existing values:
> CAS Latency Time 3
> Active to Percharge Delay 8
> DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
> DRAM RAS# Percharge 3
How do these values compare with your old
and new memory?
"Pool" <Po...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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FWIW two others have suggested that 184 pin memory is specified in the
motherboard manual. The new memory is not 184 pin. You can read the
manual in my earlier post.
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What puzzles me is how did he insert the DDR2 in a DDR slot
the notch isn't in the same place???
"Gerry" <ge...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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The box the RAM came in, is not the original packaging
material. For example, if you want a fundamental check,
consider the memory chip part number the OP quoted.
The memory chip, appears to be a 64Mx8 DDR PC3200 chip.
You won't find DDR chips, soldered to a DDR2 module.
EDD5108AGTA-5B-E DDR400B(3-3-3)
http://www.elpida.com/en/products/details/EDD5108AGTA.html
If the module had 16 of those chips, it should be a good one.
A low density 1GB module, shouldn't have a problem with
an 865PE motherboard. A low density 1GB module, should
work in any motherboard rated as being able to use
1GB modules. So I don't see a problem with the purchase.
Paul
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Dave
"JS" <@> wrote in message news:eU6s8FF%23JHA...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
A I mentioned the notch is not in the same location.
I even took a look at an old Gigabyte motherboard
I have from the UK (not the same model as Pool's) and
it will not fit, doesn't matter which way you rotate the
DDR2 memory stick, the notch does not line up.
From the GA-8IPE1000 Series user's manual:
"To install the memory module, just push it vertically
into the DIMM socket. The DIMM module can only fit in
one direction due to the notch."
"Lil' Dave" <spamyo...@virus.net> wrote in message
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Perhaps he created an extra notch to make it fit <G>.
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Hope this helps.
Gerry
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Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
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JS wrote:
> I agree Dave,
>
> A I mentioned the notch is not in the same location.
> I even took a look at an old Gigabyte motherboard
> I have from the UK (not the same model as Pool's) and
> it will not fit, doesn't matter which way you rotate the
> DDR2 memory stick, the notch does not line up.
>
> From the GA-8IPE1000 Series user's manual:
> "To install the memory module, just push it vertically
> into the DIMM socket. The DIMM module can only fit in
> one direction due to the notch."
>
>
Ignore our resident fuckwit.
Your question is entirely welcome in a *hardware* forum, which the group
title clearly states that this is.
If that is true, the entire thread from OP down is a waste of typing.
Except for some unwary reader not knowing there is a physical difference
between DDR and DDR2 RAM modules is the only benefit that I can see.
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Dave
"JS" <@> wrote in message news:OGEXNKM%23JHA...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
"Elixir 256MB DDR-400MHZ , PC3200U-30330"
and
"Kingston: 1GB DDR PC-3200"
In both cases (old and new memory) he indicates
"DDR" and not "DDR2" and "PC-3200" as opposed
to PC2-3200. So from this post it would appear to a
reader that both the old and new are indeed DDR memory
sticks and he did insert both the old and new sticks without
running into the "notch" issue.
The only thing I can think of is an error in posting the actual
part numbers.
"Lil' Dave" <spamyo...@virus.net> wrote in message
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Kingston: KVR800D2N6/1G
1GB PC2-6400 CL6 240-Pin DIMM
On the stick of RAM is written : 1GB DDR PC-3200
CT1GD64SH08BL-5T
</quote>
Notice the box states PC2-6400 and the module states PC-3200. Now the
question becomes: Is the module one that was an installed original? Isn't
the CT = to Crucial Tehnology? Although companies can/do make mistakes I
couldn't see Crucial sending modules in a box labeled different from the
contents, not to mention they also have the module info on a sticker on the
anti-static back the module is shipped in.
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How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
Apparently, either the wrong number or OP can't read small print.
Here's RAM for the OP's motherboard per Crucial:
http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=GA-8IPE1000
Crucial does sell "seconds" to PC hardware retailers but not in box.
"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
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Sorry i couldn't write you before today i was out of the city.I tried
installing new RAM and i was able to boot and check BIOS like you told me
before to compare between old and new RAM values in BIOS.
New RAM
Under Advanced chipset features
Configure DRAM Timing [SPD]
CAS Latency Time 3
Active To Percharge Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 4
DRAM RAS# Percharge 4
Refresh Mode Select 7.8us
Old RAM
Configure DRAM Timing [SPD]
CAS Latency Time 3
Active To Perchange Delay 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 3
DRAM RAS# Percharge 3
Refresh Mode Select 7.8us
Does that mean they aren't compatible and new RAM won't work with the
motherboard i have.Please help.Thanks again.
Go over the operating voltage specs one more time and if no joy
return the memory to the place you purchased it from and then use the
Crucial Memory Advisor tool posted earlier. If you purchase the memory
the "Advisor" recommends your problems should be solved.
"Pool" <Po...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Thank you for the information you gave me.I guess i got RAM that isn't
working correctly.When i typed Kingston model KVR800D2N6/1G i wrote the one i
have in my other desktop so it was mistake.The one i was trying to install is
DDR1 since i know DDR2 wouldn't fit in even if i tried to install it since
the notch is different.Here is what written on the sticker of new RAM which
isn't working: EasyPC Technology, 1GB DDR PC-3200, CT1GD64SH08BL-5T in case
you want to do some search on it.Thanks again for your help.
Thank you for the information you gave me.I guess i got RAM that isn't
working correctly.When i gave you Kingston model KVR800D2N6/1G it was the one
i have in my other desktop so it was a mistake.DDR2 wouldn't fit in the
motherboard i mentioned earlier since notch wouldn't fit.Here is what written
on the sticker of the new RAM that isn't working: EasyPC Technology 1GB DDR
PC-3200 CT1GD64SH08BL-5T in case you want to make some search.Thank you so
much for your help.
Based on the memory chip part number you quoted in a previous post,
the memory should have worked. The memory chip, appears to be a
64Mx8 DDR PC3200 chip. Sixteen of those chips on a PC3200 module,
would give you 1GB of low density RAM.
EDD5108AGTA-5B-E DDR400B(3-3-3)
http://www.elpida.com/en/products/details/EDD5108AGTA.html
A low density 1GB module, shouldn't have a problem with
an 865PE motherboard. A low density 1GB module, should
work in any motherboard rated as being able to use
1GB modules. So I don't see a problem with the purchase.
Have the computer store test the RAM for you, as it is
likely defective.
Paul
Kingston: http://www.kingston.com/hyperx/products/khx.asp#400d
"Pool" <Po...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Thank you so much for the valuable information you both gave me.I will get
a new pair of RAM according to the specification you gave me before and i
will get a new power supply because power supply fan is making loud
noises.Thanks again for your help.
As a cross check, to help in validating what you
purchase, both the Crucial and Kingston memory
for your PC should have very similar specifications.
"Pool" <Po...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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