My external drive names were changed.

[mel]

I'm using XP.

I have 4 external drives. They now show as the following in File
Explorer.

(E:)
G (F:)
E (G:)
(H:)

They used to be a simple, E:, F:, G: and H:

How do I get my original labels back?

I think this had something to do with using USB sticks at times.

[VanguardLH]

mel <m...@no-mail.com> wrote:

> I'm using XP.

Which service pack? The tool I mention below requires Windows XP SP-3,
because there some fixes or changes in SP3 for handling removable
drives.

When inserting a USB drive, the first available letter gets assigned.
There is no guarantee that the same USB drive gets assigned the same
drive letter it had before. The moment you remove/unmount a drive, its
drive letter becomes a candidate to assign to a different drive.
Internal drives (HDDs, SSDs), those on the mobo ports, can get the same
drive letters, because they are considered permanent drives. Removable
drives are considered temporary drives. It would be ridiculous to
permanently assign (reserve) a drive letter to a device that may appear
once and never return to that host. Wouldn't take long to use up the
entire alphabet of drive letters to reserve them for temporary drives.

Windows tracks drives by their volume serial number (VSN) that is
assigns to a drive when it formats it. Both permanent and removable
drives get a VSN when Windows formats [a partition on] them. Permanent
(internal) drives get permanent drive letter assignments (until you
change them). Temporary (removable) drives get whatever is the first
available drive letter from those that are free.

https://www.lifewire.com/volume-serial-number-2626046

You can use Speccy, the "vol [drive:]" command, or other tools to see
the VSN assigned to a drive.

Go into Disk Manager (diskmgmt.msc) to assign the drive letters. You
cannot assign a drive letter that is already assigned. You will need to
free up drive letters beforehand to repurpose a drive letter for use
with a different drive. There are lots of tools to manage the drive
letters, like 3rd-party partition managers.

You could use diskpart from a command shell (that has elevated
privileges) to change drive letter assignments, but that has a higher
learning curve than using a GUI tool, like Disk Manager bundled in
Windows.

https://www.diskpart.com/diskpart/assign-drive-letter-4125.html

You can try to use USBDLM (USB Drive Letter Manager) from UWE-sweiber in
an attempt to reserve drive letters for removable devices:

https://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbdlm_e.html

[mel]

Thanks for that lengthy explanation. I don't mean to sound ungrateful
but all that is a bit beyond me. I'm just going to live with the names
I have. Thanks again for replying.

[mel]

I tried something simple. I changed the diak letters inside File
Explorer. I now have the following. (E:), F:(F:), G:(G:) and (H:)

At least now the drive names are labeled properly - even though two of
them have double letters.

The KISS Principle (Keep It Simple, Stupid)worked again - partly. :o)

[Mayayana]

"mel" <m...@no-mail.com> wrote

| > Thanks for that lengthy explanation. I don't mean to sound ungrateful
| > but all that is a bit beyond me. I'm just going to live with the names
| > I have. Thanks again for replying.
|

With Vanguard you always end up getting documentation
of his mental digressions and explanations of the best ways
not to accomplish things. Also, command line has come back
into fashion as an atmospheric, retro hobby. So no one ever
tells you to do something like copy a file via drag-drop anymore.
Instead it's 10 steps of DOS in a command window. Sort of
like installing a clutch pedal in your car for old times sake.

What he's trying to say is go
into Administrative Tools (Start Menu or Control Panel) ->
Computer Management -> Disk Management, then right-click
the drive and change the letter. Free up that letter first, if
necessary.

But, have you tried just unplugging the sticks and then
plugging them back in, in the preferred order?

[Paul]

Mentions some small problems (conflicts) that can arise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive_letter_assignment

One of Vans links, is to a solution for that.

https://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbdlm_e.html

Now, I don't seem to need that here, because I don't
use a certain feature and I lack a certain kind of
equipment in the room. But others might well be candidates
for its usage. I have no NAS, and no "net use" type stuff.

https://www.howtogeek.com/118452/how-to-map-network-drives-from-the-command-prompt-in-windows/

net use s: \\tower\movies /user:HTG CrazyFourHorseMen /persistent:Yes

Paul

[pyotr filipivich]

"Mayayana" <maya...@invalid.nospam> on Sat, 7 Aug 2021 08:01:13 -0400
typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:

>
> What he's trying to say is go
>into Administrative Tools (Start Menu or Control Panel) ->
>Computer Management -> Disk Management, then right-click
>the drive and change the letter. Free up that letter first, if
>necessary.
>
> But, have you tried just unplugging the sticks and then
>plugging them back in, in the preferred order?

The issue is that external drive will "hold" a note as to which
drive they were last assigned. If it last was assigned G: then unless
G: is already assigned, it will be G: regardless of which order.
IE, I have thumbdrive Fred George Harold and Igor, and I plug them
back in after the OS has linked them to drives I: F: G: and H:, I will
have to unplug them all and "fill" the spots where they are not to be.
That is to say, before I plug George back in, Drive F: must be
occupied, some how. I've been known to enter
subst I: c:\
at a command line thus 'filling' the drive I: spot, and when I plug
Fred back in, the letter "I" being in use, it will be reassigned the
next open drive letter - "F:". Like wise, George will be assigned G: ,
Harold to H: and then you have to enter
subst I: /d
at the command line, before plugging Igor back in.

Or you could just grab four (or however many) thumbdrives, plug
them in, use the drive letters up, then unplug thumbdrive Letter and
plug in the proper external drive you want on drive Letter.

"its a simple procedure involving lasers..."
>
--
pyotr filipivich
This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Fri, 6 Aug 2021 at 23:02:26, mel <m...@no-mail.com> wrote (my
responses usually follow points raised):
[]

>I tried something simple. I changed the diak letters inside File
>Explorer. I now have the following. (E:), F:(F:), G:(G:) and (H:)
>
>At least now the drive names are labeled properly - even though two of
>them have double letters.
>
>The KISS Principle (Keep It Simple, Stupid)worked again - partly. :o)

Some of those might be names: I have

(C:) system
(D:) data
(E:) backup
(J:) data [actually a SUBSTed part of D: (copy of my website)]
(W:) DVD RW Drive

To change the names, right-click on them and select Properties; the name
field will be highlighted, and you can change it there (accepting the
you-need-to-be-administrator-to-do-this prompt). I've just tried, and to
my surprise yes, you _can_ have a colon (:) in a partition/drive name.
Right-click then Rename, or even just F2, will also let you rename.

Changing the name is _not_ the same as changing the letter; I can't
remember where you do that, but other posters have said.

I'd suggest _not_ using names of the form <letter><colon>, as you can
confuse yourself, as you may have (albeit unintentionally) here. My
names above aren't bad. (Some people use "Windows" instead of "system".)
I've always used W: for the writer (and in systems with two optical
drives, R: for the reader).

There's a setting somewhere that determines whether the letter (shown in
brackets) is shown before or after the name.

(Above apply to Windows 7 with Classic Shell, but it's much the same in
other versions of Windows.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

1. If it's green, it's biology
2. If it smells, it's chemistry
3. If it doesn't work, it's physics.

[VanguardLH]

Mayayana <maya...@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> With Vanguard you always end up getting documentation
> of his mental digressions and explanations of the best ways
> not to accomplish things. Also, command line has come back
> into fashion as an atmospheric, retro hobby. So no one ever
> tells you to do something like copy a file via drag-drop anymore.
> Instead it's 10 steps of DOS in a command window. Sort of
> like installing a clutch pedal in your car for old times sake.
>
> What he's trying to say is go
> into Administrative Tools (Start Menu or Control Panel) ->
> Computer Management -> Disk Management, then right-click
> the drive and change the letter. Free up that letter first, if
> necessary.
>
> But, have you tried just unplugging the sticks and then
> plugging them back in, in the preferred order?

I said to go directly into Disk Management (diskmgmt.msc). You have the
OP wander through 2 extra levels of MMC to get to the same place. You
repeat my suggestion that the drive letter must get released first to
repurpose it to another drive.

I also offered a solution (USBDLM) to keep the drive letter assignments
for USB drives. What was your suggestion? Hope that inserting them in
some order might give the drive letter assignments you want. I never
specify my suggestions were easy. I'm complete. You're not.

Yeah, let's never explain why something is the way it is. Leave users
in the dark. That's your motto, not mine. You: tire is flat, put in
more air, tire goes flat again, put in more air, ad nauseum. Me: put in
more air, tire goes flat again, mention the object might still be in the
tire, or the tire needs mending, or the tire valve might've gotten loose
and just needs retightening. OMG, more info than the obvious. What a
tragedy.

[VanguardLH]

pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> The issue is that external drive will "hold" a note as to which drive
> they were last assigned. If it last was assigned G: then unless G: is
> already assigned, it will be G: regardless of which order.

Oh, really? The /drive/ holds some data identifying its last drive
letter assignment despite that drive could be used or was initialed with
an OS that doesn't use drive letters? Nope, the drive doesn't record
what it had previously for a drive letter assignment under Windows. The
enumeration data in the Windows registry tracks that.

For drive letters (existing since the dawn of MS/IBM-DOS hence the name
of the DosDevices data item's name), the drive letter assignments are
tracked under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\MountedDevices. The DosDevices
data item's value points back to the unique ID under the Enum key. For
example, I have a USB drive that is plugged in that gets O: (oh colon)
for its drive letter assignment. The DosDevices data item for
\DosDevices\O: points to the Enum\USBstore\<vendorID> key. When you
plug in a USB device, there is handshaking to deliver presentation data
from the device to the OS. That presentation is recorded as the VID
(Vendor ID) for the device.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/storage/supporting-mount-manager-requests-in-a-storage-class-driver

If you ever have a USB device that malfunctions when you plug it in,
could be the enumeration data for it has been corrupted or became
invalid. The presentation data under the VID doesn't change when you
eject and reinject the USB drive. You have to delete its enumeration
data to get the handshaking upon injection to get the USB device defined
anew.

[VanguardLH]

If you feel compelled to use a GUI, in Windows Explorer you select the
drive, and hit the F2 key to rename the object, just like you do when
renaming a file. In a command shell, you can use the "label" command.

https://www.lifewire.com/volume-label-2626045

The volume label and volume serial number are recorded on the drive, and
are independent of the DosDevice (drive letter) assignment in the
Windows registry.

[Mayayana]

"VanguardLH" <V...@nguard.LH> wrote in

| I said to go directly into Disk Management (diskmgmt.msc). You have the
| OP wander through 2 extra levels of MMC to get to the same place.

I'm describing the GUI method that 99% of people use,
instead of the file that will have to either be searched for
in system32 or called via console window. Welcome to
post-1995. :)

[mel]

On Sat, 7 Aug 2021 14:56:03 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

> Mayayana <maya...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>
>> With Vanguard you always end up getting documentation
>> of his mental digressions and explanations of the best ways
>> not to accomplish things. Also, command line has come back
>> into fashion as an atmospheric, retro hobby. So no one ever
>> tells you to do something like copy a file via drag-drop anymore.
>> Instead it's 10 steps of DOS in a command window. Sort of
>> like installing a clutch pedal in your car for old times sake.
>>
>> What he's trying to say is go
>> into Administrative Tools (Start Menu or Control Panel) ->
>> Computer Management -> Disk Management, then right-click
>> the drive and change the letter. Free up that letter first, if
>> necessary.
>>
>> But, have you tried just unplugging the sticks and then
>> plugging them back in, in the preferred order?
>
> I said to go directly into Disk Management (diskmgmt.msc). You have the
> OP wander through 2 extra levels of MMC to get to the same place. You
> repeat my suggestion that the drive letter must get released first to
> repurpose it to another drive.
>

In Disk Management it now shows my F: drive as F:(F:). When I try to
rename it in Change Drive Letter and Paths, the box of choice shows F
by itself, but when I click OK the result is still the double letter
name F:(F:).

I really don't care at this point. I now have each of them with proper
lettering, even if it is still double lettering. When they were such
as E:(G:) that caused me problems at times when I ddin't pay careful
enough attention and loaded stuff into the wrong drive.

Bye the way, turning off, disconnecting the drives, does not get rid
of the double lettering, nor change the lettering in any way.

In short, I'm living with the double lettering.

[VanguardLH]

Mayayana <maya...@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> "VanguardLH" <V...@nguard.LH> wrote in
>
>| I said to go directly into Disk Management (diskmgmt.msc). You have the
>| OP wander through 2 extra levels of MMC to get to the same place.
>
> I'm describing the GUI method that 99% of people use,

Me, too. You think 99% of users drill through the MMC nav paths. I
think 99% know how to open Disk Manager. Remember the audience here.

> instead of the file that will have to either be searched for
> in system32 or called via console window. Welcome to
> post-1995. :)

You don't have to search for diskmgmt.msc. Welcome to today. The OP
even found another way.

[VanguardLH]

mel <m...@no-mail.com> wrote:

> In Disk Management it now shows my F: drive as F:(F:). When I try to
> rename it in Change Drive Letter and Paths, the box of choice shows F
> by itself, but when I click OK the result is still the double letter
> name F:(F:).

F: (F:)
| |
| |__ Drive letter assigned to volume. (1)
|
|______ Drive's volume label. (2) (*)

(*) I stay within the 11-character FAT limit for labels. NTFS allows up
to 32 characters. See the Lifewire article on restrictions.

(1) To change drive letter, use Disk Management (diskmgmt.msc),
right-click on a drive, select "Change drive letter and path".
Example: F (if not assigned elsewhere).

(2) To change drive label, click on a drive in File Manager to select
it, press F2, and rename. Or, right-click on a drive, Properties,
General tab, and specify a new name.
Examples: MyPhotos, UserData, Backups, Movies, SG4TB_USBHD,
SM256G_USB, etc.
Those last 2 are what I named a couple USB drives: a Seagate 4TB USB
HDD (external HDD via USB), and a Samsung 256GB USB (external USB
flash drive). I could use volume serial numbers. Use whatever lets
you to identify a drive, and is different than the labels you use
for other drives. Multiple drives can have the same label, but that
gets confusing for drives with the same label.

What is a drive letter
https://www.computerhope.com/jargon/d/drivelet.htm

What is a volume label
https://www.lifewire.com/volume-label-2626045

[mel]

On Sat, 7 Aug 2021 17:37:12 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

> Mayayana <maya...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>
>> "VanguardLH" <V...@nguard.LH> wrote in

deleted

>
>> instead of the file that will have to either be searched for
>> in system32 or called via console window. Welcome to
>> post-1995. :)
>
> You don't have to search for diskmgmt.msc. Welcome to today. The OP
> even found another way.

I really hate getting into this kind of stuff...but -

Keep doing what you're doing, Vanguard. I see your posts regularly in
groups. There ain't hardly any of your kind left on Usenet.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Sat, 7 Aug 2021 at 18:09:02, mel <m...@no-mail.com> wrote (my

responses usually follow points raised):
[]

>I really hate getting into this kind of stuff...but -
>
>Keep doing what you're doing, Vanguard. I see your posts regularly in
>groups. There ain't hardly any of your kind left on Usenet.

Echoed.

My view of the hierarchy on several of the 'groups:

Paul. Knows lots about lots (including hardware). Usually gives an
exhaustive answer, that is nevertheless often followable and also
informative (_can_ give too much information [but we are all guilty of
that!]); I've learnt a lot from Paul's posts (or would have, if I could
remember it!). Paul used to think (or seem to) that Windows is great,
though in latter years has I think more moved to agree with the rest of
us that it's manageable, but has quirks. (All versions of Windows.)

Mayayana and VanguardLH. I'm afraid I confuse these two, because I think
they are very similar in character. One loves GUI and hates command
line, the other vice versa - I forget which is which. Both - one more
than the other - give _very_ lengthy answers (from which, again, I've
learnt a lot). One of them has a website - jsware - which contains both
useful utilities and informative essays. One (I _think_ it's Mayayana)
can go into a rant, usually combined with his lengthy answers. (Being
told they're similar - to the extent that I confuse them! - will
probably infuriate them both!)

I've learnt (and forgotten) a lot from all three of the above.

Third tier and below - about half a dozen mostly helpful people. I'd put
myself here: I'm not deep depth, but sometimes I think I give a short
answer where that's all that's required, and/or see what is being asked
when one (sometimes several) of the others doesn't (don't). I can go on
too long as well, and have wrong ideas about some things, at least in
some people's opinion - currently, for example, POP vs. IMAP, and SSDs.

There are of course assorted trolls, Appleseeds, Linux fanatics (Paul
-and maybe others - sometimes _use(s)_ Linux [e. g. to access Windows
files that are normally inaccessible], but doesn't push it as a _better_
alternative), and worse - many of whom are in my killfile. (One in
particular used to [may still but I don't see] ask apparently genuine
questions, but tweak the following discussion; produced _some_ useful
input, such as lists of utilities to do things [sometimes with useful
notes on each alternative], but I found I was wasting a _lot_ of time on
hir threads, and concluded that often - possibly always - they weren't
started for the apparent reason. Became abusive when crossed. A
notorious nymshifter.)

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Whoever decided to limit tagline length to 68 characters can kiss my

[Paul]

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

> There are of course assorted trolls, Appleseeds, Linux fanatics (Paul
> -and maybe others - sometimes _use(s)_ Linux

They're all tools.

Some tools are more useful than others.

The tools also tend to copy one another, which
controls their uniqueness. No purpose is served
by doing that.

I can barely scroll stuff on any platform, and
get pixel perfect accuracy of placement. That's how
scroll bar design has advanced over the years.

Paul

[Mayayana]

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote

Jeeez. What a long rant. I can't figure out what you're on about. :)

[pyotr filipivich]

VanguardLH <V...@nguard.LH> on Sat, 7 Aug 2021 15:19:07 -0500 typed in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:

>pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> The issue is that external drive will "hold" a note as to which drive
>> they were last assigned. If it last was assigned G: then unless G: is
>> already assigned, it will be G: regardless of which order.
>
>Oh, really? The /drive/ holds some data identifying its last drive
>letter assignment despite that drive could be used or was initialed with
>an OS that doesn't use drive letters? Nope, the drive doesn't record
>what it had previously for a drive letter assignment under Windows. The
>enumeration data in the Windows registry tracks that.

Where ever it is stored, it seems to me that a drive will be
reassigned that letter, regards of what other letters might be open.
This might be fine when I plug drive Igor back in and it is still
drive I:
But if drive Igor is somehow assigned a letter other than I, say
H: G: or K:, some how, the drive [H / G or K] must be reassigned to a
drive, so that drive Igor is now assigned the letter I:

>
>For drive letters (existing since the dawn of MS/IBM-DOS hence the name
>of the DosDevices data item's name), the drive letter assignments are
>tracked under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\MountedDevices. The DosDevices
>data item's value points back to the unique ID under the Enum key. For
>example, I have a USB drive that is plugged in that gets O: (oh colon)
>for its drive letter assignment. The DosDevices data item for
>\DosDevices\O: points to the Enum\USBstore\<vendorID> key. When you
>plug in a USB device, there is handshaking to deliver presentation data
>from the device to the OS. That presentation is recorded as the VID
>(Vendor ID) for the device.
>
>https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/storage/supporting-mount-manager-requests-in-a-storage-class-driver

All of which is fascinating, but as my aunt would say "More
information about the sex lives of wallabies in the outback than I
needed. All I needed to know is that they're from Australia."

Yes, it is sometimes good to know all the minutia of how the
system works (any system), some times all I need to know is how to
make it right.

>
>If you ever have a USB device that malfunctions when you plug it in,
>could be the enumeration data for it has been corrupted or became
>invalid. The presentation data under the VID doesn't change when you
>eject and reinject the USB drive. You have to delete its enumeration
>data to get the handshaking upon injection to get the USB device defined
>anew.

Plug in another drive, or subst the problem drive letter to C:\
accomplishes that.

[VanguardLH]

Mayayana <maya...@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote
>
>| My view of the hierarchy on several of the 'groups:
>|

>| Paul. Knows lots ...
>| Mayayana and VanguardLH ...

>| I've learnt (and forgotten) a lot from all three of the above.

>| Third tier and below - about half a dozen mostly helpful people. ...
>| I'd put myself here ...
>| There are of course assorted trolls, ...

>
> Jeeez. What a long rant. I can't figure out what you're on about. :)

Still trying to squelch the participants, I see, with berating retorts.

Must be a bad week for you. It happens, and affects your mood. I, too,
have bad days, and am not so friendly as others may like, but then I'm
not getting paid to be here, either, and can be however I want.

At one time, I forget by who, I was invited to be an MVP. That was back
when Microsoft was carrying the microsoft.public.* newsgroups on their
NNTP server. I considered it for a moment, and politely declined. It
would repress my sometimes variable behavior by making me feel I had to
be amicable with everyone in Usenet, as though I had to behave like how
others expect an MVP to behave.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Sun, 8 Aug 2021 at 11:23:47, Paul <nos...@needed.invalid> wrote (my

responses usually follow points raised):

>J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>
>> There are of course assorted trolls, Appleseeds, Linux fanatics (Paul
>>-and maybe others - sometimes _use(s)_ Linux
>
>They're all tools.
>
>Some tools are more useful than others.
>
>The tools also tend to copy one another, which
>controls their uniqueness. No purpose is served
>by doing that.

Yes; the number of GUIs for ffmpeg is hilarious. (I have it in: Skype;
VirtualDub; Deshaker; ClipGrab; downloadhelper; get_iplayer; Pazera
Audio Extractor; K-Lite; Bigasoft downloader; KMplayer; Any Video
Converter; Best Video Converter; and probably others that rename it.)

>
>I can barely scroll stuff on any platform, and
>get pixel perfect accuracy of placement. That's how
>scroll bar design has advanced over the years.

Scroll bars have definitely gone downhill. (!) Nowadays, by default,
they're invisible until you happen to move over them, skinny (and
variable width), and - YouTube at least - have lost the arrow buttons at
their ends.
>
> Paul
John

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"In the _car_-park? What are you doing there?" "Parking cars, what else does
one
do in a car-park?" (First series, fit the fifth.)

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Sun, 8 Aug 2021 at 11:42:57, Mayayana <maya...@invalid.nospam> wrote

(my responses usually follow points raised):
>

>"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote
>
>| My view of the hierarchy on several of the 'groups:
>|
>| Paul. Knows lots about lots (including hardware). Usually gives an

[]

>| Mayayana and VanguardLH. I'm afraid I confuse these two, because I think

[]

>| I've learnt (and forgotten) a lot from all three of the above.
>|
>| Third tier and below - about half a dozen mostly helpful people. I'd put

[]

>| There are of course assorted trolls, Appleseeds, Linux fanatics (Paul

[]

>Jeeez. What a long rant. I can't figure out what you're on about. :)
>

(-:

>
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Everyone looks sun-kissed and beautiful and as you watch it ["Bondi Rescue"],
pale and flabby on your sofa, you find yourself wondering if your life could
ever be that exotic. (It couldn't. You're British.) - Russell Howard, in
Radio Times, 20-26 April 2013

[Mayayana]

"VanguardLH" <V...@nguard.LH> wrote

| > Jeeez. What a long rant. I can't figure out what you're on about. :)
|
| Still trying to squelch the participants, I see, with berating retorts.
|

That was a joke, V. Take a breath.

[John Doe]

Firstly... This sort of post should be labeled "OT..."

Also, it shouldn't have been re-crossposted under a new subject line.

Also, attacking other posters in the subject line is a troll.

This is the same troll that used weird formatting when posting
to the blind users' group...

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[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Sun, 8 Aug 2021 at 23:28:12, Mayayana <maya...@invalid.nospam> wrote

(my responses usually follow points raised):

Yes, I saw it as one, and it was I who posted the original (-:

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"Get off my turf!" screamed Pooh, as he shot at Paddington.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Mon, 9 Aug 2021 at 03:40:32, John Doe <alway...@message.header>

wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):

>Firstly... This sort of post should be labeled "OT..."

You're right, I probably should have, though arguably it's about posters
in the four 'groups chosen. (I didn't include free.spam.)

>
>Also, it shouldn't have been re-crossposted under a new subject line.

(Not sure what you mean by re-crossposted.) I wanted to follow-up (agree
with, as it happens) a post that was defending either VanguardLH or
Mayayana (I forget which). Thus it was a followup. I changed the subject
line as my post no longer had anything to do with the original subject -
in the RFC-approved manner ["<new subject> (was: Re: <old subject>"],
which some clients (not mine, and clearly not yours) recognise and strip
the "was" part on further responses.

>
>Also, attacking other posters in the subject line is a troll.

I don't think there was any attack, certainly not in the subject line.
OK, I described the _foibles_ of the three main leading lights of these
'groups, but in I hope an affectionate manner - and criticised myself
too.

>
>This is the same troll that used weird formatting when posting
>to the blind users' group...
>

This from the poster who reposted my entire post - _including the
header_ (as received by him) - but _after_ a valid .sig separator line
(-:

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[Mayayana]

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote

| >| > Jeeez. What a long rant. I can't figure out what you're on about. :)
| >|
| >| Still trying to squelch the participants, I see, with berating retorts.
| >|
| >
| >That was a joke, V. Take a breath.
| >
| >
| Yes, I saw it as one, and it was I who posted the original (-:

Maybe we should all just accept our anachronistic,
aging existence and stick to arguing about Trump and
Johnson. That way, any opinion is valid. And who cares
about Windows anymore, anyway? Most of the talk since
Win10 is about what the latest forced update messed up. :)

[VanguardLH]

I see smilies after a retort the same as when folks say "I was just
saying", or "I just said", as though that alters what they said. Sorry.

[John Doe]

But of course the difference is I'm posting
to a group of SIGHTED people...

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[DanS]

John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote in news:ses9fs$vd7$1@dont-
email.me:

> But of course the difference is I'm posting
> to a group of SIGHTED people...
>

Top-posting, none-the-less, so...