Microsoft's goals for 2006
Sean Monaghan
10. Fucking kill Linux.
9. Fucking kill Steve Jobs.
8. Fucking kill Toaster Strudles.
7. Fucking kill open source.
6. Fucking kill South Korea.
5. Fucking kill the EU.
4. Fucking kill Linus Torvalds.
3. Make love to Sun and...
2. Fucking kill Java.
1. Fucking kill Google.
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It seems you really have new pants of humorr.
>
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A company as big an bad as MS'
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Would you prefer they fucking kill Hollywood?
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You are wrong!
Microsoft Corporation business goal for 2006 is upgrading from Melinda's
Venerable Priests to Melinda's Venerable Phallus.
By the way, my firewall crashed while online today . . .
But I still keep on going . . . and going . . . and going . . . and going .
. . and going . . .
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shhhh
Impeach or Resign, you've committed a crime
A. Jinn wrote:
> "Sean Monaghan" <sean.mo...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1135744827.3...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Top Ten Goals For Microsoft in 2006
> >
> > 10. Fucking kill Linux.
> > 9. Fucking kill Steve Jobs.
> > 8. Fucking kill Toaster Strudles.
> > 7. Fucking kill open source.
> > 6. Fucking kill South Korea.
> > 5. Fucking kill the EU.
> > 4. Fucking kill Linus Torvalds.
> > 3. Make love to Sun and...
> > 2. Fucking kill Java.
> > 1. Fucking kill Google.
> >
>
> A company as big an bad as MS'
> gotta have a hobby.
Stale and obsolete?
Manufacturing software for use in torture practices?
I call that criminal, but, you know, you're a wuss...
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
0. Order new office furniture (tire hanging by a rope for Balmer).
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Frank ess
shhh
Frank ess
> Sean Monaghan wrote:
>>
>> Top Ten Goals For Microsoft in 2006
>>
>> 10. Fucking kill Linux.
>> 9. Fucking kill Steve Jobs.
>> 8. Fucking kill Toaster Strudles.
>> 7. Fucking kill open source.
>> 6. Fucking kill South Korea.
>> 5. Fucking kill the EU.
>> 4. Fucking kill Linus Torvalds.
>> 3. Make love to Sun and...
>> 2. Fucking kill Java.
>> 1. Fucking kill Google.
>
> 0. Order new office furniture (tire hanging by a rope for Balmer).
shhh
Dennis M. Hammes
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>
> A. Jinn wrote:
>> "Sean Monaghan" <sean.mo...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1135744827.3...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> > Top Ten Goals For Microsoft in 2006
>> >
>> > 10. Fucking kill Linux.
>> > 9. Fucking kill Steve Jobs.
>> > 8. Fucking kill Toaster Strudles.
>> > 7. Fucking kill open source.
>> > 6. Fucking kill South Korea.
>> > 5. Fucking kill the EU.
>> > 4. Fucking kill Linus Torvalds.
>> > 3. Make love to Sun and...
>> > 2. Fucking kill Java.
>> > 1. Fucking kill Google.
>> >
>>
>> A company as big an bad as MS'
>> gotta have a hobby.
>
> Stale and obsolete?
Don't appear to be.
The fact is, if MS went down the entire industry would collapse.
>
> Manufacturing software for use in torture practices?
What?
If you study history, you will find MS is more clever than
unscrupulous.
>
> I call that criminal, but, you know, you're a wuss...
Wow, now I know.
Did you like these:
Linønut
> shhh
it.
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Noodles Jefferson
Monaghan took the hamburger, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh
wow"...
> Top Ten Goals For Microsoft in 2006
>
> 10. Fucking kill Linux.
> 9. Fucking kill Steve Jobs.
> 8. Fucking kill Toaster Strudles.
Nooooooooo, not toaster strudles!
> 7. Fucking kill open source.
> 6. Fucking kill South Korea.
> 5. Fucking kill the EU.
> 4. Fucking kill Linus Torvalds.
> 3. Make love to Sun and...
> 2. Fucking kill Java.
They tried that. Sun sued the crap out of them and won.
> 1. Fucking kill Google.
>
>
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Leonardo da Jinn
Noodles Jefferson wrote:
> In article <1135744827.3...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Sean
> Monaghan took the hamburger, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh
> wow"...
>
> > Top Ten Goals For Microsoft in 2006
> >
> > 10. Fucking kill Linux.
> > 9. Fucking kill Steve Jobs.
> > 8. Fucking kill Toaster Strudles.
>
> Nooooooooo, not toaster strudles!
>
> > 7. Fucking kill open source.
> > 6. Fucking kill South Korea.
> > 5. Fucking kill the EU.
> > 4. Fucking kill Linus Torvalds.
> > 3. Make love to Sun and...
> > 2. Fucking kill Java.
>
> They tried that. Sun sued the crap out of them and won.
For how much? A $100 million, right?
Chump change... The http://GatesFoundation.org
(if I remember this right) gave $100 million to the cure
of Elephantiasis in the same timeframe.
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Paul Allen
> Noodles Jefferson wrote:
>
>>In article <1135744827.3...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Sean
>>Monaghan took the hamburger, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh
>>wow"...
>>>Top Ten Goals For Microsoft in 2006
>>>
[...]
>>>2. Fucking kill Java.
>>
>>They tried that. Sun sued the crap out of them and won.
>
>
> For how much? A $100 million, right?
>
> Chump change... The http://GatesFoundation.org
> (if I remember this right) gave $100 million to the cure
> of Elephantiasis in the same timeframe.
It wasn't about money, but rather about preventing Microsoft from
flooding the market with their proprietary version of Java. Sun
won, big time, although it's not clear what that win means for
their long-term survival. Java's on what, it's third GUI toolkit?
I was just thinking about learning Swing, and now it's out and
something else is in. That's a platform without a long-term
strategy. :-(
Paul Allen
Frank ess
ahhh
Frank ess
> Noodles Jefferson wrote:
>> In article <1135744827.3...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>> Sean Monaghan took the hamburger, threw it on the grill, and I said
>> "Oh wow"...
>>
>>> Top Ten Goals For Microsoft in 2006
>>>
>>> 10. Fucking kill Linux.
>>> 9. Fucking kill Steve Jobs.
>>> 8. Fucking kill Toaster Strudles.
>>
>> Nooooooooo, not toaster strudles!
>>
>>> 7. Fucking kill open source.
>>> 6. Fucking kill South Korea.
>>> 5. Fucking kill the EU.
>>> 4. Fucking kill Linus Torvalds.
>>> 3. Make love to Sun and...
>>> 2. Fucking kill Java.
>>
>> They tried that. Sun sued the crap out of them and won.
>
> For how much? A $100 million, right?
>
> Chump change... The http://GatesFoundation.org
> (if I remember this right) gave $100 million to the cure
> of Elephantiasis in the same timeframe.
>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Noodles Jefferson
>> mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30
>> sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM
>>
>> NP: "The Road to Chicago" -- Thomas Newman (Road to Perdition
>> Soundtrack)
>>
>> "Our earth is degenerate in these latter days, bribery and
>> corruption
>> are common, children no longer obey their parents and the end of
>> the
>> world is evidently approaching."
>> --Assyrian clay tablet 2800 B.C.
shhhhh
Frank ess
shhhhh
Father Kodak
at comcast dot net"> wrote:
re
>> of Elephantiasis in the same timeframe.
>
>It wasn't about money, but rather about preventing Microsoft from
>flooding the market with their proprietary version of Java. Sun
>won, big time, although it's not clear what that win means for
>their long-term survival. Java's on what, it's third GUI toolkit?
>I was just thinking about learning Swing, and now it's out and
>something else is in. That's a platform without a long-term
>strategy. :-(
>
>Paul Allen
Unfortunately, yes. The problem for Sun has always been that deep
down Scott McNealy is a hardware guy. That is what gets his interest,
not software.
On top of all that, it is hard for the Java programs at Sun to
justify their existence unless they can "monetize" Java.
And you also see some of the confusion in the strategy about such
issues as exactly who controls the future of Java.
Now, a whole 'nother story is the confusion regarding Solaris X86, but
we'll save that one for a different flame war.
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A. Jinn
"Paul Allen" <"paul dot l dot allen at comcast dot net"> wrote in message news:V9udnTOsevJ...@comcast.com...
> Leonardo da Jinn wrote:
>> Noodles Jefferson wrote:
>>
>>>In article <1135744827.3...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Sean
>>>Monaghan took the hamburger, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh
>>>wow"...
>
>>>>Top Ten Goals For Microsoft in 2006
>>>>
> [...]
>>>>2. Fucking kill Java.
>>>
>>>They tried that. Sun sued the crap out of them and won.
>>
>>
>> For how much? A $100 million, right?
>>
>> Chump change... The http://GatesFoundation.org
>> (if I remember this right) gave $100 million to the cure
>> of Elephantiasis in the same timeframe.
>
> It wasn't about money, but rather about preventing Microsoft from
> flooding the market with their proprietary version of Java.
I actually created the first version of my "Jinn" program using
MS Java ('99-'00). It was certainly the most capable java environment
going, at the time. I had used several others and seen Sun's stuff.
MS pulling out of Java was more damaging to Java than anything
MS could possibly have done.
>Sun
> won, big time, although it's not clear what that win means for
> their long-term survival. Java's on what, it's third GUI toolkit?
Swing was always crap when I looked at it.
Java is relegated to compete with PHP, Python etc...
and I doubt all of them together has higher ground than ASP.
> I was just thinking about learning Swing, and now it's out and
> something else is in.
Is it any better?
> That's a platform without a long-term
> strategy. :-(
>
> Paul Allen
Heh... GUI's are not as easy as people think.
MS gets /enough/ right that they will be hard to match, let alone
beat. Plus they have a wallet the size of Texas.
Architecturally, .NET is the holy grail, and fairly portable, I bet.
Frank ess
shhhh
John A. Bailo
> It wasn't about money, but rather about preventing Microsoft from
> flooding the market with their proprietary version of Java. Sun
> won, big time, although it's not clear what that win means for
> their long-term survival. Java's on what, it's third GUI toolkit?
> I was just thinking about learning Swing, and now it's out and
> something else is in. That's a platform without a long-term
> strategy. :-(
The Eclipse SWT is very serviceable and finding many converts.
It's all I would ever need -- and with the 1.0 release of the Eclipse
SWT its a no-brainer.
John A. Bailo
Opps...make that the 1.0 release of WST.
Rhino
"John A. Bailo" <jab...@texeme.com> wrote in message
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something else again?
Rhino
John A. Bailo
> I _think_ you mean: "Oops.... make that the 1.0 release of SWT". Or is WST
> something else again?
SWT is the Eclipse GUI toolkit.
WST is the web standard tools -- lets you do web pages, .jsp pages, java
faces and so on, in Eclipse.
It's always been there, but they just released the 1.0 version.
I was saying that by using the Eclipse platform you can get some
consistency with java that matches the .NET/Visual Studio system.
Rhino
> Rhino wrote:
>
>> I _think_ you mean: "Oops.... make that the 1.0 release of SWT". Or is
>> WST something else again?
>
> SWT is the Eclipse GUI toolkit.
>
> WST is the web standard tools -- lets you do web pages, .jsp pages, java
> faces and so on, in Eclipse.
>
> It's always been there, but they just released the 1.0 version.
>
> I was saying that by using the Eclipse platform you can get some
> consistency with java that matches the .NET/Visual Studio system.
>
Forgive my ignorance but how does SWT differ from Swing/JFC? Does SWT offer
desireable components not found in Swing/JFC? Doesn't Swing/JFC work in
.NET/Visual Studio?
Rhino
Dennis M. Hammes
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Frank ess belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>
>>shhh
>
>
> it.
>
> (old kid's joke)
>
(young kids', too)
Dennis M. Hammes
> Chump change... The http://GatesFoundation.org
> (if I remember this right) gave $100 million to the cure
> of Elephantiasis in the same timeframe.
>
And you still look like /that/?
IchBin
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IchBin
> Rhino wrote:
>> "John A. Bailo" <jab...@texeme.com> wrote in message
>> news:43B587EF...@texeme.com...
>>> Rhino wrote:
>>>
>>>> I _think_ you mean: "Oops.... make that the 1.0 release of SWT". Or
>>>> is WST something else again?
>>> SWT is the Eclipse GUI toolkit.
>>>
>>> WST is the web standard tools -- lets you do web pages, .jsp pages,
>>> java faces and so on, in Eclipse.
>>>
>> My mistake; I thought 'WST' was an inadvertent transposition of 'SWT'.
>> :-)
>>
>>> It's always been there, but they just released the 1.0 version.
>>>
>>> I was saying that by using the Eclipse platform you can get some
>>> consistency with java that matches the .NET/Visual Studio system.
>>>
>> Forgive my ignorance but how does SWT differ from Swing/JFC? Does SWT
>> offer desireable components not found in Swing/JFC? Doesn't Swing/JFC
>> work in .NET/Visual Studio?
>>
>> Rhino
>>
>>
> SWT stands for 'The Standard Widget Toolkit'. It is analogous to
> AWT/Swing in Java with a difference - SWT uses a rich set of native
> widgets.
>
http://www.eclipse.org/articles/Article-SWT-Design-1/SWT-Design-1.html
Leonardo da Jinn
Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
> Leonardo da Jinn wrote:
>
>
> > Chump change... The http://GatesFoundation.org
> > (if I remember this right) gave $100 million to the cure
> > of Elephantiasis in the same timeframe.
> >
>
> And you still look like /that/?
O fuck you...
Can't you see the humor in it?
You don't think it was a statement about McNealy
being a fat head, do you?
Nah... Total coincidence.
But McNealy is a fat head, and Bill Gates is
the nicest robber barron the world has ever seen.
Praise Him in the highest... :)
If he's reading this: "Bill, I want to play crocket!"
...and if Melinda wants, I'll drop the porn and work
for her on composites of mountains and butterflies
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> Forgive my ignorance but how does SWT differ from Swing/JFC? Does SWT offer
> desireable components not found in Swing/JFC?
The SWT differs from Swing in that is relies mainly on native widgets
(and therefore native code), but nevertheless keeps the JNI boundary low
so that most implementation can be done in Java with only a thin native
API wrapper. This is essentially a kind of compromise between the AWT
with its thick peers and lack of decent selectoin, and Swing with its
lightweight widgets.
The SWT is less fun to work with than Swing, and doesn't contain more
components than Swing. With JFace, at least a few of its components can
match the sensible behavior of Swing's model-based architecture. In
general, it's easier to screw up and you have to know more to do it
well. However, SWT is necessary for writing Eclipse plugins and RCP-
based applications, and that alone makes it worth learning. It's also
supposed to fix some performance issues of Swing.
> Doesn't Swing/JFC work in .NET/Visual Studio?
Who cares? Does anyone actually use Visual Studio to write "Java"?
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Frank ess
> Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
>> Leonardo da Jinn wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Chump change... The http://GatesFoundation.org
>>> (if I remember this right) gave $100 million to the cure
>>> of Elephantiasis in the same timeframe.
>>>
>>
>> And you still look like /that/?
>
> O fuck you...
>
> Can't you see the humor in it?
> You don't think it was a statement about McNealy
> being a fat head, do you?
>
> Nah... Total coincidence.
>
> But McNealy is a fat head, and Bill Gates is
> the nicest robber barron the world has ever seen.
>
> Praise Him in the highest... :)
>
> If he's reading this: "Bill, I want to play crocket!"
>
> ...and if Melinda wants, I'll drop the porn and work
> for her on composites of mountains and butterflies
> and Mona Lisa.
shhhhh
Eschewth...@aol.com
Rhino
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> Rhino <no.offline.c...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Forgive my ignorance but how does SWT differ from Swing/JFC? Does SWT
>> offer
>> desireable components not found in Swing/JFC?
>
> The SWT differs from Swing in that is relies mainly on native widgets
> (and therefore native code), but nevertheless keeps the JNI boundary low
> so that most implementation can be done in Java with only a thin native
> API wrapper. This is essentially a kind of compromise between the AWT
> with its thick peers and lack of decent selectoin, and Swing with its
> lightweight widgets.
>
> The SWT is less fun to work with than Swing, and doesn't contain more
> components than Swing. With JFace, at least a few of its components can
> match the sensible behavior of Swing's model-based architecture. In
> general, it's easier to screw up and you have to know more to do it
> well. However, SWT is necessary for writing Eclipse plugins and RCP-
> based applications, and that alone makes it worth learning. It's also
> supposed to fix some performance issues of Swing.
>
>> Doesn't Swing/JFC work in .NET/Visual Studio?
>
> Who cares? Does anyone actually use Visual Studio to write "Java"?
>
I would hope not. I just asked because John said "that by using the Eclipse
platform you can get some consistency with java that matches the .NET/Visual
Studio system." I was wondering whether using SWT would make it easier to
write an application that would work in .NET/Visual Studio. I have no desire
to work with .NET and Microsoft's pseudo-Java but you never know when you'll
have to port something over to Microsoft so I thought I'd asked if using SWT
would make that task easier.
Rhino
Chris Smith
> I would hope not. I just asked because John said "that by using the Eclipse
> platform you can get some consistency with java that matches the .NET/Visual
> Studio system." I was wondering whether using SWT would make it easier to
> write an application that would work in .NET/Visual Studio. I have no desire
> to work with .NET and Microsoft's pseudo-Java but you never know when you'll
> have to port something over to Microsoft so I thought I'd asked if using SWT
> would make that task easier.
I see no reason why it would. In fact, if Microsoft hasn't fixed their
JNI issues, it would make the task considerably harder, I should think.
Bob
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Frank ess belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> shhh
>
> it.
>
> (old kid's joke)
ROTF.
Bob
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:32:13 -0800, Paul Allen <"paul dot l dot allen
> at comcast dot net"> wrote:
>
> re
>>> of Elephantiasis in the same timeframe.
>> It wasn't about money, but rather about preventing Microsoft from
>> flooding the market with their proprietary version of Java. Sun
>> won, big time, although it's not clear what that win means for
>> their long-term survival. Java's on what, it's third GUI toolkit?
>> I was just thinking about learning Swing, and now it's out and
>> something else is in. That's a platform without a long-term
>> strategy. :-(
>>
>> Paul Allen
>
> Unfortunately, yes. The problem for Sun has always been that deep
> down Scott McNealy is a hardware guy. That is what gets his interest,
> not software.
>
> On top of all that, it is hard for the Java programs at Sun to
> justify their existence unless they can "monetize" Java.
Java Server Pages, anyone? Java on databases, like Oracle?
>
> And you also see some of the confusion in the strategy about such
> issues as exactly who controls the future of Java.
>
> Now, a whole 'nother story is the confusion regarding Solaris X86, but
> we'll save that one for a different flame war.
Dey doin ok, esp hitching onto the Open Office cattle train.
Frank ess
> A. Jinn wrote:
>> "Impeach or Resign, you've committed a crime"
>> <Border...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1135828142.7...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> A. Jinn wrote:
>>>> "Sean Monaghan" <sean.mo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1135744827.3...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> 9. Fucking kill Steve Jobs.
>>>>> 8. Fucking kill Toaster Strudles.
>>>>> 6. Fucking kill South Korea.
>>>>> 5. Fucking kill the EU.
>>>>> 4. Fucking kill Linus Torvalds.
>>>>> 3. Make love to Sun and...
>>>>> 2. Fucking kill Java.
>>>>>
>>>> A company as big an bad as MS'
>>>> gotta have a hobby.
>>> Stale and obsolete?
>>
>> Don't appear to be.
>> The fact is, if MS went down the entire industry would collapse.
>
>>
>>> Manufacturing software for use in torture practices?
>>
>> What?
>> If you study history, you will find MS is more clever than
>> unscrupulous.
>
>>
>>> I call that criminal, but, you know, you're a wuss...
>>
>> Wow, now I know.
>>
>> Did you like these:
>> http://Clitin.Com/Art-Cody
>> http://Clitin.Com/Art-PT
>>
>> (created with the assistance
>> of open source software)
>>>
>>>> Would you prefer they fucking kill Hollywood?
>
> poor
> people and workers and all that gross stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>> New folders:>>>
>>>> --
>>>> AJ - Praise Pussy (pics)
>>>>
>>>> http://Clitin.Com
>>>>
>>>> *** A Free Wanking Service Agency ***
>
> you
> know, that's like different.
shhhhhh
A. Jinn
"Bob" <b...@bob.org> wrote in message news:dp8jo6$smr$2...@pita.alt.net...
> Paul Allen wrote:
>> Leonardo da Jinn wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <1135744827.3...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Sean
>>>> Monaghan took the hamburger, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh
>>>> wow"...
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Fucking kill Java.
>>>>
>>>> They tried that. Sun sued the crap out of them and won.
>>>
>>>
>>> For how much? A $100 million, right?
>>>
>>> (if I remember this right) gave $100 million to the cure
>>
>> It wasn't about money, but rather about preventing Microsoft from
>> flooding the market with their proprietary version of Java. Sun
>> won, big time, although it's not clear what that win means for
>> their long-term survival. Java's on what, it's third GUI toolkit?
>> I was just thinking about learning Swing, and now it's out and
>> something else is in. That's a platform without a long-term
>> strategy. :-(
>
ASP.NET will let you program in numerous languages.
Java among them.
Clearly superior to JSP.
Give me a break.
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>> Paul Allen
>
> Hey wait. Don't you like own Microsoft or something?
A. Jinn
"Bob" <b...@bob.org> wrote in message news:dp8k12$tia$0...@pita.alt.net...
Web scripting has many factions.
Sun compares the two:
http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/jsp-asp.html
You can always tell they are losers when they talk about
open standards as opposed to function and robustness.
They fudge on the rest.
ASP.NET or even ASP offers a more robust environment.
I assume .NET will be ported, but I've assumed that for years.
> And Java on big db's like Oracle is big biz, but who cares about Oracle. Commercial SW is so icky.
I used to project architect for Oracle.
>>
>>> I was just thinking about learning Swing, and now it's out and
>>> something else is in.
>>
>> Is it any better?
>>
>>> That's a platform without a long-term
>>> strategy. :-(
>>>
>>> Paul Allen
>>
>> Heh... GUI's are not as easy as people think.
>> MS gets /enough/ right that they will be hard to match, let alone
>> beat. Plus they have a wallet the size of Texas.
>>
>> Architecturally, .NET is the holy grail, and fairly portable, I bet.
>
> Really?
Yes. The concept that multiple languages can work together.
P-coded and machine compiled /on demand/. Numerous optimizations
that normal compile-link environments can't achieve.
The technology is truly impressive.
It is such a big leap that it takes a while to /catch/.
I give MS credit for the brass balls to go for it.
> Can you gimme a good reason to let Windows Update put it on my home Win 2K system?
I can't give you a reason not to.
If you install a program that uses it /it/ will install it
or make sure it is installed.
Obviously your OS is a half-decade old
and perhaps you just read text newsgroups on Eudora.
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> I used to work for Oracle
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It has. Take a look at the Mono project.
I wonder if, now that .NET has been ported to other OSs and Microsoft
can no longer count on it to sell Windows, if they will lose interest in
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Why is that a good thing? Most of the problems large projects encounter
can be traced back to developers failing to follow project standards,
using their own coding styles and practices, etc.
Now you want to throw multiple languages into to pot as well? No thanks.
> Java among them.
> Clearly superior to JSP.
JSP and .NET will succeed or fail based on the trustworthiness of their
underlying runtimes and foundation libraries. The last thing I want is s
system made up of components developed with everything from C++ and Java
to (shudder) VB.
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Leonardo da Jinn
Because it allows people/companies to use what
they know best.
> Most of the problems large projects encounter
> can be traced back to developers failing to follow project standards,
> using their own coding styles and practices, etc.
Nothing says some company or project can't
choose to use /one/ language. Impose whatever
standards they wish. Some other company choses
a different language. Works for both companies.
In JSP they have no choice.
>
> Now you want to throw multiple languages into to pot as well? No thanks.
Ummm... the idea of multiple languages working together
is an old one.
>
> > Java among them.
> > Clearly superior to JSP.
>
> JSP and .NET will succeed or fail based on the trustworthiness of their
> underlying runtimes and foundation libraries. The last thing I want is s
> system made up of components developed with everything from C++ and Java
> to (shudder) VB.
VB.NET is quite an equal citizen. I would trust VB code
over the pitfalls newbie programmers can get into with C++.
Don't get people's issue with VB. It is based on very
old information. VB6 was/is productive as hell. Compiled
fast, robust. VB.NET is undoubtedly more so or MS
will fix it.
A. Jinn
"Bob" <b...@bob.org> wrote in message news:dpa0ef$oc$0...@pita.alt.net...
So is ASP. Or do you have other info?
>>
>> I assume .NET will be ported, but I've assumed that for years.
>>
>>> And Java on big db's like Oracle is big biz, but who cares about Oracle. Commercial SW is so icky.
>>
>> I used to project architect for Oracle.
>
> Ok you used to do that, and you hate Java? Eh?
No. Actually, as a language, it is my favorite of the
major languages. I've programmed for man-years in it.
For MS platforms, Sun's Java isn't robust enough to avoid
its own drool (for client programming). I used MS Java,
and although complete and robust, it was much slower than
VB, which I could have taken, but they desupported it.
I went to VB6 and not sorry.
I hate VB as a language, but it is the logical choice when
all things are considered.
>>
>>>>> I was just thinking about learning Swing, and now it's out and
>>>>> something else is in.
>>>> Is it any better?
>>>>
>>>>> That's a platform without a long-term
>>>>> strategy. :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul Allen
>>>> Heh... GUI's are not as easy as people think.
>>>> MS gets /enough/ right that they will be hard to match, let alone
>>>> beat. Plus they have a wallet the size of Texas.
>>>>
>>>> Architecturally, .NET is the holy grail, and fairly portable, I bet.
>>> Really?
>>
>> Yes. The concept that multiple languages can work together.
>> P-coded and machine compiled /on demand/. Numerous optimizations
>> that normal compile-link environments can't achieve.
>> The technology is truly impressive.
>>
>> It is such a big leap that it takes a while to /catch/.
>> I give MS credit for the brass balls to go for it.
>>
>>
>>> Can you gimme a good reason to let Windows Update put it on my home Win 2K system?
>>
>> I can't give you a reason not to.
>> If you install a program that uses it /it/ will install it
>> or make sure it is installed.
>>
>> Obviously your OS is a half-decade old
>
> Yes Windows 2000 is "a half-decade old". I refuse to board the upgrade train. Considering that it works, I see no reason to use
> that goofy pig called XP that looks like it was designed by second graders.
I felt the same way until my registry got corrupted.
XP seems more stable.
>
>> and perhaps you just read text newsgroups on Eudora.
>
> Thunderbird.
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A. Jinn
"Bob" <b...@bob.org> wrote in message news:dpa06o$srj$5...@pita.alt.net...
I may have missed a lot.
I haven't looked at Java much since '99.
I would assume/hope that most JSP environments
have machine generated Java, right?
I mean, the thought that servers are interpreting
bytecodes is wincing.
Frank ess
shhhhhhh
Linønut
> VB.NET is quite an equal citizen. I would trust VB code
> over the pitfalls newbie programmers can get into with C++.
>
> Don't get people's issue with VB. It is based on very
> old information. VB6 was/is productive as hell. Compiled
> fast, robust. VB.NET is undoubtedly more so or MS
> will fix it.
Who cares? VB is a corporate lock-in language.
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> After takin' a swig o' grog, Leonardo da Jinn belched out this bit
> o'
> wisdom:
>
>> VB.NET is quite an equal citizen. I would trust VB code
>> over the pitfalls newbie programmers can get into with C++.
>>
>> Don't get people's issue with VB. It is based on very
>> old information. VB6 was/is productive as hell. Compiled
>> fast, robust. VB.NET is undoubtedly more so or MS
>> will fix it.
>
> Who cares? VB is a corporate lock-in language.
shhhh
Leonardo da Jinn
Linønutlinøn...@bone.com wrote:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Leonardo da Jinn belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
> > VB.NET is quite an equal citizen. I would trust VB code
> > over the pitfalls newbie programmers can get into with C++.
> >
> > Don't get people's issue with VB. It is based on very
> > old information. VB6 was/is productive as hell. Compiled
> > fast, robust. VB.NET is undoubtedly more so or MS
> > will fix it.
>
> Who cares? VB is a corporate lock-in language.
If you say so. I've programmed in many /current/ languages
(and OS's) and consciously decided on VB6 for my
personal diddling. It is simply more productive (for me)
and I don't regret the decision at all. Slight regret I didn't
go with .NET, but oh well.
For client-GUI programming: "what is better"
Is there a free package that does Voice Recognition?
Is it blazing fast with graphics?
Can the grid fields handle 30,000 plus entries?
My assumption is that Linux has no Dev. Env.
that comes close to Visual studio / VB6, or
even C++ for that matter.
If so, I'd check out links.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
Companies that make the correct choice will be rewarded. Those that make
the wrong one will go out of business. That's how free enterprise works.
In the final analysis, languages don't make much difference to
experienced developers. Its the functionality of the underlying APIs
that make the difference.
.NET has shortcomings on two levels: It allows people that can't advance
beyond stuff like VB to stay in business, and the runtime and libraries
suffer from the shortcomings of the target OS.
Mono may fix the latter, but it won't put the VB shops out of business.
> > Most of the problems large projects encounter
> > can be traced back to developers failing to follow project standards,
> > using their own coding styles and practices, etc.
>
> Nothing says some company or project can't
> choose to use /one/ language. Impose whatever
> standards they wish. Some other company choses
> a different language. Works for both companies.
>
> In JSP they have no choice.
>
> >
> > Now you want to throw multiple languages into to pot as well? No thanks.
>
> Ummm... the idea of multiple languages working together
> is an old one.
So, what do we need .NET for?
> >
> > > Java among them.
> > > Clearly superior to JSP.
> >
> > JSP and .NET will succeed or fail based on the trustworthiness of their
> > underlying runtimes and foundation libraries. The last thing I want is s
> > system made up of components developed with everything from C++ and Java
> > to (shudder) VB.
>
> VB.NET is quite an equal citizen. I would trust VB code
> over the pitfalls newbie programmers can get into with C++.
>
> Don't get people's issue with VB. It is based on very
> old information. VB6 was/is productive as hell. Compiled
> fast, robust. VB.NET is undoubtedly more so or MS
> will fix it.
Fast != Correct
The productivity attribute has its down side as well. Cute 'point and
click' development environments encouraged a lot of people to get into
the coding business who would have been better off selling hamburgers.
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Depending on the task at hand, VB isn't /incorrect/.
>
> In the final analysis, languages don't make much difference to
> experienced developers. Its the functionality of the underlying APIs
> that make the difference.
In general yes.That is /THE/ main argument *FOR* VB.
But VB is more terse than C++ for instance,
which requires header files to maintain sync with code, etc.
VB's "Free code and controls, and 3rd party products"
is a huge market.
>
> .NET has shortcomings on two levels: It allows people that can't advance
> beyond stuff like VB to stay in business,
You think that is a real shortcoming?
But you just said that VB was just another language.
> and the runtime and libraries
> suffer from the shortcomings of the target OS.
> Mono may fix the latter, but it won't put the VB shops out of business.
If you have something better you are always free
to compete.
>
> > > Most of the problems large projects encounter
> > > can be traced back to developers failing to follow project standards,
> > > using their own coding styles and practices, etc.
> >
> > Nothing says some company or project can't
> > choose to use /one/ language. Impose whatever
> > standards they wish. Some other company choses
> > a different language. Works for both companies.
> >
> > In JSP they have no choice.
> >
> > >
> > > Now you want to throw multiple languages into to pot as well? No thanks.
> >
> > Ummm... the idea of multiple languages working together
> > is an old one.
>
> So, what do we need .NET for?
It is an old idea that was forgotten.
>
> > >
> > > > Java among them.
> > > > Clearly superior to JSP.
> > >
> > > JSP and .NET will succeed or fail based on the trustworthiness of their
> > > underlying runtimes and foundation libraries. The last thing I want is s
> > > system made up of components developed with everything from C++ and Java
> > > to (shudder) VB.
> >
> > VB.NET is quite an equal citizen. I would trust VB code
> > over the pitfalls newbie programmers can get into with C++.
> >
> > Don't get people's issue with VB. It is based on very
> > old information. VB6 was/is productive as hell. Compiled
> > fast, robust. VB.NET is undoubtedly more so or MS
> > will fix it.
>
> Fast != Correct
I didn't /only/ say fast. I said much more.
Fact is, really disiplined SE would indicate use
of CASE modeling tools, etc.. goes on and on.
Many times SQL is the language that causes
more trouble than C++, Java, or VB, and for DB
access it is pretty much SQL.
If your application is VERY DB intensive it makes
sense to use DB modeling tools and form systems.
If you are programming embedded controllers you
probably want to use C++ or macro assembler.
Web work requires knowledge of HTML, CSS, JS
and the rolling thunder of variant functionality
in different browsers.
Ugly world... :)
To me, VB isn't part of the ugliness.
I need to shoot a movie of my program in operation.
>
> The productivity attribute has its down side as well.
Perhaps, in macro, but not for me personally.
> Cute 'point and
> click' development environments encouraged a lot of people to get into
> the coding business who would have been better off selling hamburgers.
Large programming projects are more of a managment issue
than a technical issue and require people of varying aptitudes
and intelligence.
Too many really /smart/ programmers on a project
can easily fail. Seen it numerous times.
At Oracle, one such project tanked to the tune
of 50 million. Takes wise management.
For me, personally, I needed/need a robust
dev. env., debugger, and controls to give me
all the normal effects. (splitter windows, task tray
icons, multi-tasking, IPC, form controls, etc..)
Plus voice recognition.
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>
Linønut
> For client-GUI programming: "what is better"
>
> Is there a free package that does Voice Recognition?
> Is it blazing fast with graphics?
> Can the grid fields handle 30,000 plus entries?
>
> My assumption is that Linux has no Dev. Env.
> that comes close to Visual studio / VB6, or
> even C++ for that matter.
Linux fits retty much all of the above. (Not sure about grid controls,
as that is a thing I never need.)
But you and I are in completely different programming areas, and are
probably locked into each our own little worlds of coding.
For what it's worth, I use Visual Studio quite heavily (C/C++). I like
it for debugging, but for everything else I prefer a good text editor, a
good layout editor (e.g. Glade), and good old C/C++.
I would much rather trust STL objects than objects djinned up by
Microsoft. I like standards. Go figure.
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"Linųnut" <"=?iso-8859-1?Q?lin=F8nut?="@bone.com> wrote in message news:Mt-dnZYtKva...@comcast.com...
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Leonardo da Jinn belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> For client-GUI programming: "what is better"
>>
>> Is there a free package that does Voice Recognition?
>> Is it blazing fast with graphics?
>> Can the grid fields handle 30,000 plus entries?
>>
>> My assumption is that Linux has no Dev. Env.
>> that comes close to Visual studio / VB6, or
>> even C++ for that matter.
>
> Linux fits retty much all of the above.
I highly doubt that.
Any movies of the environment in action?
> (Not sure about grid controls,
> as that is a thing I never need.)
>
> But you and I are in completely different programming areas, and are
> probably locked into each our own little worlds of coding.
In general.
>
> For what it's worth, I use Visual Studio quite heavily (C/C++). I like
> it for debugging, but for everything else I prefer a good text editor, a
> good layout editor (e.g. Glade), and good old C/C++.
I used it for years. MFC, all that.
Biggest project was a 100+ frame app to manage Oracle Replication.
>
> I would much rather trust STL objects than objects djinned up by
> Microsoft. I like standards. Go figure.
I like functionality. Standards lead to committees and committees
lead to ulcers.
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Robert
technology from other companies, figuring out how to smash Google, and
stealing the gaming market by selling the Xbox 360 at a loss.
This is no joke.
Robert
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> are to continue selling poor quality, overpriced software,
No, they are the low price leader in most categories.
> continue stealing
> technology from other companies,
Doubtful they get away with much.
Linux on the other hand is mostly stolen.
> figuring out how to smash Google, and
Hope they do. Google is one fucked outfit from
most that I see.
> stealing the gaming market by selling the Xbox 360 at a loss.
So? They are allowed. They also have the hottest game products
and I assume they figure on making money on them too, eh?
>
> This is no joke.
The level of your misinformation?
No, it isn't.
Charlie Tame
contrast your money is being GIVEN to Halliburton in overpriced and
unfulfilled no-bid contracts without you having any control over the
situation. A matter of priorities perhaps?
Charlie
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>
> Linux on the other hand is mostly stolen.
>
Wrote that in "Microsoft" BASIC, did you.
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> You don't "Have" to buy Microsoft's products if you don't want to, by contrast your money is being GIVEN to Halliburton in
> overpriced and unfulfilled no-bid contracts without you having any control over the situation. A matter of priorities perhaps?
>
> Charlie
No shit.
Plus I think it is worth noting that the Gates Foundation
is seemingly one of the top philanthropic foundations in
the world. http://GatesFoundation.com
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>
> Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
[snip]
> >
> > In the final analysis, languages don't make much difference to
> > experienced developers. Its the functionality of the underlying APIs
> > that make the difference.
>
> In general yes.That is /THE/ main argument *FOR* VB.
But VB is notorious for its inconsistent object architecture and screwey
side effects. Millions (billions?) of lines of code have been written
that depends on these bugs. So, when VB goes to .NET there ar two
possibilities:
The .NET classes will incorporate these bugs so that existing VB code
will continue to run as originally designed., or
The .NET classes will be written in a clean, logical manner. This will
break many existing VB apps, requiring vendors to either rewrite their
products or just port them as is and wait for the sh*t to hit the fan.
[snip]
> > .NET has shortcomings on two levels: It allows people that can't advance
> > beyond stuff like VB to stay in business,
>
> You think that is a real shortcoming?
> But you just said that VB was just another language.
That depends on what Microsoft does with all he VB inconsistencies when
it gets ported to .NET. If they save the syntax but clean up the class
libraries, they are going to put thousands of spaghetti coders out of
business.
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"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <Pa...@Hovnanian.com> wrote in message news:43BC33F7...@Hovnanian.com...
> Leonardo da Jinn wrote:
>>
>> Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> >
>> > In the final analysis, languages don't make much difference to
>> > experienced developers. Its the functionality of the underlying APIs
>> > that make the difference.
>>
>> In general yes.That is /THE/ main argument *FOR* VB.
>
> But VB is notorious for its inconsistent object architecture and screwey
> side effects.
If you say so.
> Millions (billions?) of lines of code have been written
> that depends on these bugs. So, when VB goes to .NET there ar two
> possibilities:
>
> The .NET classes will incorporate these bugs so that existing VB code
> will continue to run as originally designed., or
>
> The .NET classes will be written in a clean, logical manner. This will
> break many existing VB apps, requiring vendors to either rewrite their
> products or just port them as is and wait for the sh*t to hit the fan.
I've looked at .NET a bit. What they did with VB, point by point,
I agree with, but decided to not bother porting since there are too many
differences.
They invented VB quite early, and it was bad for a long time.
>
> [snip]
>
>> > .NET has shortcomings on two levels: It allows people that can't advance
>> > beyond stuff like VB to stay in business,
>>
>> You think that is a real shortcoming?
>> But you just said that VB was just another language.
>
> That depends on what Microsoft does with all he VB inconsistencies when
> it gets ported to .NET. If they save the syntax but clean up the class
> libraries, they are going to put thousands of spaghetti coders out of
> business.
This is all old news... .NET is what? 5 years old.
IMO, MS made the right decisions with VB.NET, but
it really is a big change to merge all the languages
under a single runtime.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
>
[snip]
> I've looked at .NET a bit. What they did with VB, point by point,
> I agree with, but decided to not bother porting since there are too many
> differences.
The problem is that VB.NET doesn't appear to 'break' old, bad VB code.
I used to work with a group of people who supported an old, crusty VB
app. It had been 'rescued' from one of the old MS Basic systems that
supported GOTOs, global variables and spaghetti code. The app had grown
and grown over the years and nobody could figure out how the damned
thing worked. Nobody dared touch it anymore.
About a year or so ago, they moved the source into VB.NET. Guess what?
It still works.
> They invented VB quite early, and it was bad for a long time.
What do you mean 'was'? It still supports spaghetti code.
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"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <Pa...@Hovnanian.com> wrote in message news:43BC9786...@Hovnanian.com...
> Jinn Wins wrote:
>>
> [snip]
>
>> I've looked at .NET a bit. What they did with VB, point by point,
>> I agree with, but decided to not bother porting since there are too many
>> differences.
>
> The problem is that VB.NET doesn't appear to 'break' old, bad VB code.
I confess that I have run their conversion wizard only a few times.
It seems to mark most of the constructs that need marking.
>
> I used to work with a group of people who supported an old, crusty VB
> app. It had been 'rescued' from one of the old MS Basic systems that
> supported GOTOs, global variables and spaghetti code. The app had grown
> and grown over the years and nobody could figure out how the damned
> thing worked. Nobody dared touch it anymore.
People say that by default. People are whiners.
In numerous cases, a well placed and commented GOTO
is clearer than the alternatives.
There is no code that a bright programmer can't
figure out. People are lazy.
>
> About a year or so ago, they moved the source into VB.NET. Guess what?
> It still works.
>
>> They invented VB quite early, and it was bad for a long time.
>
> What do you mean 'was'?
I mean that at this point it is completely compiled, very fast,
very bug-free, a full ActiveX source and sink, plenty of
everything necessary to create fully articulated Windows programs.
Plenty of third party products, free code, examples, tutorials, etc.
> It still supports spaghetti code.
So does C++, so does Java.
Poorly formed code assemblies can be created in any language.
Most programmers will scream spaghetti the minute
they have to look at another programmer's code.
So what? Comb out the spaghetti. People are lazy whiners.
In .NET, VB is fairly equal with C#, seems,
and they've taken the hard path of actually fixing things.
I really think MS deserves some credit for that.
They could have been less bold, but I feel they took
the high road on most of those decisions.
The thing I don't get about .NET is:
"Why doesn't MS port it to other pizza boxes"
Clearly it could be ported to any processor
and hardware configuration.
The whole architecture would support transparently
running /your-app/ on any toaster it was ported to.
With optimized JIT compiled machine code on
every platform.
Architecturally, quite elegant.
I suggest reading some of the white papers if you haven't.
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> Jinn Wins wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
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>>I've looked at .NET a bit. What they did with VB, point by point,
>>I agree with, but decided to not bother porting since there are too many
>>differences.
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> The problem is that VB.NET doesn't appear to 'break' old, bad VB code.
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> I used to work with a group of people who supported an old, crusty VB
> app. It had been 'rescued' from one of the old MS Basic systems that
> supported GOTOs, global variables and spaghetti code. The app had grown
> and grown over the years and nobody could figure out how the damned
> thing worked. Nobody dared touch it anymore.
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> About a year or so ago, they moved the source into VB.NET. Guess what?
> It still works.
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>>They invented VB quite early, and it was bad for a long time.
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> What do you mean 'was'? It still supports spaghetti code.
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Thass okay. So does Tommy.
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