Did ECS K8M800M2's onboard network die?
Phillip Pi
sudden Windows XP Professional SP2 (all updates) said network cable was
unplugged. I checked the CAT5 ethernet/network cable cable, and it was
fine. I tried another cable, and the onboard network didn't detect it
either. I checked both cables on my old Apple PowerBook G4, and they had
no problems.
I even tried uninstalling, reinstalling, and upgrading the VIA VT823x
PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter (from Windows Update). Also, reinstalled VIA
4in1 Hyperion driver. None of them helped or changed anything that I
noticed.
Does this sound like the onboard network died? :( I am currently using
wireless USB network which isn't very stable and slow. Thank you in advance
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IBM A40 laptop loose all wired network/Internet access when my client
connected a new Canon Prixma iP500 printer. It seems that the printer's USB
connection was/is shorting out the USB controller and that took out the
network with it. By disconnecting this "bad" printer, the network/Internet
came back.
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queries.
On 01/12/2005 Phillip Pi <phill...@symantec.comSYMC> wrote:
>Recently, I was using the computer and surfing on the Web. Then, all the
>sudden Windows XP Professional SP2 (all updates) said network cable was
>unplugged. I checked the CAT5 ethernet/network cable cable, and it was
>fine. I tried another cable, and the onboard network didn't detect it
>either. I checked both cables on my old Apple PowerBook G4, and they had
>no problems.
>
>I even tried uninstalling, reinstalling, and upgrading the VIA VT823x
>PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter (from Windows Update). Also, reinstalled VIA
>4in1 Hyperion driver. None of them helped or changed anything that I
>noticed.
>
>Does this sound like the onboard network died? :( I am currently using
>wireless USB network which isn't very stable and slow. Thank you in advance
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st.daniel
Ant
1. 1394 Net Adapter #2
2. Hawking Technologis USB 2.0 Wireless Network Adapter (using it right now)
3. TechniSat DVB-PC TV Star PCI (HDTV tuner)
4. VIA RHine II Fast Ethernet Adapter (the one that no longer sees my cable)
5. VMware Virtual Ethernet Adapter for VMnet1
6. VMware Virtual Ethernet Adapter for VMnet8
On 12/1/2005 9:33 PM PT, st.daniel wrote:
> How many Network Adapters show in Device Manager?
>
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Hmm, the latest one would be an external regular HDD enclosure (Kingwin)
with a Seagate 250 GB HDD (7200 RPM). I was using it before the incident
happened. I didn't unplug and replug either. Right now, it is off.
> Have you recently installed an new USB device? Yesterday, I "witnessed" an
> IBM A40 laptop loose all wired network/Internet access when my client
> connected a new Canon Prixma iP500 printer. It seems that the printer's USB
> connection was/is shorting out the USB controller and that took out the
> network with it. By disconnecting this "bad" printer, the network/Internet
> came back.
>
> On 01/12/2005 Phillip Pi <phill...@symantec.comSYMC> wrote:
>
>>Recently, I was using the computer and surfing on the Web. Then, all the
>>sudden Windows XP Professional SP2 (all updates) said network cable was
>>unplugged. I checked the CAT5 ethernet/network cable cable, and it was
>>fine. I tried another cable, and the onboard network didn't detect it
>>either. I checked both cables on my old Apple PowerBook G4, and they had
>>no problems.
>>
>>I even tried uninstalling, reinstalling, and upgrading the VIA VT823x
>>PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter (from Windows Update). Also, reinstalled VIA
>>4in1 Hyperion driver. None of them helped or changed anything that I
>>noticed.
>>
>>Does this sound like the onboard network died? :( I am currently using
>>wireless USB network which isn't very stable and slow. Thank you in advance
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st.daniel
about an adapter you Weren't using?
Do you have a combo wireless/hardwired router in the mix, also?
You realize the Hyperion drivers have nada to do with your ethernet
adapter; Almost positive they are separate. [4-in-1 is Inf,AGP,RAID, &IDE
Filter]
Do you have the mainboard manual? If so, Ethernet integrated with
SouthBridge, or separate chip? That determines proper drivers.
Check at ECS site if no manual.
Ant
>>>Recently, I was using the computer and surfing on the Web. Then, all the
>>>sudden Windows XP Professional SP2 (all updates) said network cable was
>>>unplugged. I checked the CAT5 ethernet/network cable cable, and it was
>>>fine. I tried another cable, and the onboard network didn't detect it
>>>either. I checked both cables on my old Apple PowerBook G4, and they had
>>>no problems.
>>>
>>>I even tried uninstalling, reinstalling, and upgrading the VIA VT823x
>>>PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter (from Windows Update). Also, reinstalled VIA
>>>4in1 Hyperion driver. None of them helped or changed anything that I
>>>noticed.
>>>
>>>Does this sound like the onboard network died? :( I am currently using
>>>wireless USB network which isn't very stable and slow. Thank you in advance
>
> I had this happen a few times. The fix for me was to shut down and
> unplug the main power cord to take all power from the computer for
> about 10 sec. Boot up and works fine. I thought my on board was shot
> too but that got it going. Had to do it maybe 2 times in the last
> year.
I turn off my machine when I am not using it for a few hours. So, that
didn't work. :( Thanks for the suggestion though. :)
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Ant
> I take it you were Using the VIA and it went down, not just got a message
> about an adapter you Weren't using?
Yep. Using the Internet, got disconnected, and then saw "A network cable
is unplugged" error. Then, later added a wireless network device so I
could use the Internet. :(
> Do you have a combo wireless/hardwired router in the mix, also?
Sort of. I am using an old Netgear RT311 router as my gateway and DHCP
server. There is a Netgear DS108 hub (8 ports) connected to it that
collect network cables for connections. That includes a Linksys WAP11 WAP.
> You realize the Hyperion drivers have nada to do with your ethernet
> adapter; Almost positive they are separate. [4-in-1 is Inf,AGP,RAID, &IDE
> Filter]
Yes. I already downloaded the latest network driver from Windows
Updates. Even newer than the one on EPS' Web site.
> Do you have the mainboard manual? If so, Ethernet integrated with
> SouthBridge, or separate chip? That determines proper drivers.
Manual said SouthBridge.
> Check at ECS site if no manual.
http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Downloads/ProductsDetail_Download.aspx?DetailID=555&DetailName=Manual&DetailDesc=K8M800-M2(2.0)&MenuID=35&LanID=9
or http://tinyurl.com/8ytxf FYI.
>>I see six. Two of them are virtual and one isn't really a network.
>>
>>1. 1394 Net Adapter #2
>>2. Hawking Technologis USB 2.0 Wireless Network Adapter (using it right now)
>>3. TechniSat DVB-PC TV Star PCI (HDTV tuner)
>>4. VIA RHine II Fast Ethernet Adapter (the one that no longer sees my cable)
>>5. VMware Virtual Ethernet Adapter for VMnet1
>>6. VMware Virtual Ethernet Adapter for VMnet8
>>
>>
>>On 12/1/2005 9:33 PM PT, st.daniel wrote:
>>
>>
>>> How many Network Adapters show in Device Manager?
>>>
>>>
>>>>Recently, I was using the computer and surfing on the Web. Then, all the
>>>>sudden Windows XP Professional SP2 (all updates) said network cable was
>>>>unplugged. I checked the CAT5 ethernet/network cable cable, and it was
>>>>fine. I tried another cable, and the onboard network didn't detect it
>>>>either. I checked both cables on my old Apple PowerBook G4, and they had
>>>>no problems.
>>>>
>>>>I even tried uninstalling, reinstalling, and upgrading the VIA VT823x
>>>>PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter (from Windows Update). Also, reinstalled VIA
>>>>4in1 Hyperion driver. None of them helped or changed anything that I
>>>>noticed.
>>>>
>>>>Does this sound like the onboard network died? :( I am currently using
>>>>wireless USB network which isn't very stable and slow. Thank you in advance
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Ant
> On 12/2/2005 9:19 PM PT, d...@zxcd.vcv wrote:
>
>>>> Recently, I was using the computer and surfing on the Web. Then, all
>>>> the sudden Windows XP Professional SP2 (all updates) said network
>>>> cable was unplugged. I checked the CAT5 ethernet/network cable
>>>> cable, and it was fine. I tried another cable, and the onboard
>>>> network didn't detect it either. I checked both cables on my old
>>>> Apple PowerBook G4, and they had no problems.
>>>>
>>>> I even tried uninstalling, reinstalling, and upgrading the VIA
>>>> VT823x PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter (from Windows Update). Also,
>>>> reinstalled VIA 4in1 Hyperion driver. None of them helped or
>>>> changed anything that I noticed.
>>>>
>>>> Does this sound like the onboard network died? :( I am currently
>>>> using wireless USB network which isn't very stable and slow. Thank
>>>> you in advance
>>
>>
>> I had this happen a few times. The fix for me was to shut down and
>> unplug the main power cord to take all power from the computer for
>> about 10 sec. Boot up and works fine. I thought my on board was shot
>> too but that got it going. Had to do it maybe 2 times in the last
>> year.
>
>
> I turn off my machine when I am not using it for a few hours. So, that
> didn't work. :( Thanks for the suggestion though. :)
I just realized you said unplug the main power cord too. I just turn the
machine and CRT off when not in used for a long time. I tried that for
30 seconds. Even turned off with the back PSU switch. I powered the
system back on, and it worked!! Woah! What the heck? Why did this work?
Good job!!
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Century B.C.)
Ant
> With the newer computers they have some power goes to them all the
> time even when powered off, It seem for some reason if a card locks up
> it holds it somehow because of the power even when turned off. so
> unplugging main power releases it all. I have also read that any time
> you update your video driver it helps to take all power away to get
> the most from the new driver. Seem to work for me on that one too.
> BUT not real sure why, total power off seems to help. I remove power
> from my computer every so often just to make sure everything gets a
> fresh set.
I had another incident when my network lost sense of the network cable.
I had to repeat the steps. I am trying lower speed (10BaseT Half Duplex)
now. It seems to be stable, but I might had been lucky. :P Did you have
to do this too?
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Ant
> Not that fast, only 2 times in the last year. I had a friend that had
> a lot of trouble after upgrading his network card driver. It too about
> 3 days to find out it was the new driver. Went back to the old driver
> and it was fine.
I meant the lowering speed part. I assume you didn't have to do that.
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Ant
> Nope, never had to change anything.
>
> would not hurt to do the free virus scan at trend micro, it seems to
> find things other thing don't. Plus the have a free spyware prog you
> can download too, it works good also.
Yup, already got those parts covered. I run NAV, Ad-Aware, Spy-Bot, and
The Cleaner every other days. =)
So far, no disconnections and no reboots! Good sign.
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Ant
OK. This is ONE crazy network card. I had another disconnection while
playing World of Warcraft, BUT it wasn't an unplugged network cable
error like before. It seems to have forgotten how to connect.
I still had an IP address but couldn't ping anyone including my router.
ipconfig /release resulted saying my network card wasn't there. Repair
didn't work either. Disabling and re-enabling network card didn't fix
it. And what's funny is that it was at 100 Mb/sec speed even though I
told it to use 10 Mb/sec. I set 100 Mb/sec, it said 10 Mb/sec! Ehhh, weird.
I had to use the damn PSU power off and on method to make it work. Piece
of crap. I need to get get a NIC. Ugh.
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Ant
[snipped]
>>>So far, no disconnections and no reboots! Good sign.
>>
>>OK. This is ONE crazy network card. I had another disconnection while
>>playing World of Warcraft, BUT it wasn't an unplugged network cable
>>error like before. It seems to have forgotten how to connect.
>>
>>I still had an IP address but couldn't ping anyone including my router.
>>ipconfig /release resulted saying my network card wasn't there. Repair
>>didn't work either. Disabling and re-enabling network card didn't fix
>>it. And what's funny is that it was at 100 Mb/sec speed even though I
>>told it to use 10 Mb/sec. I set 100 Mb/sec, it said 10 Mb/sec! Ehhh, weird.
>>
>>I had to use the damn PSU power off and on method to make it work. Piece
>>of crap. I need to get get a NIC. Ugh.
>
>
> Have you tried an older driver? Did you update you bios or anything
> new that may be causing it? A new NIC is cheap so it may be a good way
> of going it going to an older driver don't do it.
How old? I used whatever Windows XP Pro. SP2 gave me, then used the
newest from Windows Updates. No changes. Never upgraded BIOS. Don't even
see a new BIOS on ECS' Web site.
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Ant
> OK. This is ONE crazy network card. I had another disconnection while
> playing World of Warcraft, BUT it wasn't an unplugged network cable
> error like before. It seems to have forgotten how to connect.
>
> I still had an IP address but couldn't ping anyone including my router.
> ipconfig /release resulted saying my network card wasn't there. Repair
> didn't work either. Disabling and re-enabling network card didn't fix
> it. And what's funny is that it was at 100 Mb/sec speed even though I
> told it to use 10 Mb/sec. I set 100 Mb/sec, it said 10 Mb/sec! Ehhh, weird.
>
> I had to use the damn PSU power off and on method to make it work. Piece
> of crap. I need to get get a NIC. Ugh.
FYI on ipconfig since it happened again overnight and mostly idled (just
IM and ssh chatting):
Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 5:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : VIA Rhine II Fast Ethernet
Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-5B-FD-68-B5
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.123
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 209.244.0.3
207.217.77.4
E:\>ipconfig /release
Windows IP Configuration
The operation failed as no adapter is in the state permissible for
this operation.
E:\>ipconfig /renew
Windows IP Configuration
The operation failed as no adapter is in the state permissible for
this operation.
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Ant
> In device manager when you R click on the NIC does it have it set to
> let power management to turn off the NIC. I don't know a lot about
> them, just things I have found that worked with problems I have had in
> the past. I think I would try a new NIC and see if it does it with it,
> if so at least you know its something else causing it and may be able
> to find out why. If the new one works fine then it would be the
> onboard NIC that was bad.
Yup, already disabled.
I have another theory. I think I am having heat problem. I am getting
corrupted graphic textures, crashes, and blue screens in games and
OpenGL screen savers. Maybe the heat is affecting my network card. I
need to do more tests...
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I'm the ant." --Bruce Nolan (Bruce Almighty movie)
Phillip Pi
Can't be heat. I only had the system on for about 10-15 minutes from
being off for almost 12 hours. Amazingly overnight after the 10-15
minutes event, the network held on.