Re: window xp service pack 3
Bjarke Andersen
writing news:715C947A-9C07-4737...@microsoft.com:
> any idea if window xp service pack 3 is finally released and where to
> download it from ??
1H08 http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/servicepacks.mspx
A release candidate for SP3 has already been released and can be
downloaded.
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Bjarke Andersen
John
> any idea if window xp service pack 3 is finally released and where to
> download it from ??
You do read other posts before you post.
John.
kookieman
problems.
"allure" <all...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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GanjaMan
It IS available via windows update IF you know how to do so.
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Gordon
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> It is NOT out to public at all.
Yes it is.
look here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=114f3599-12af-42b2-aab1-b969a62c68a7&DisplayLang=en#AdditionalInfo
Under the heading "Brief Description":
Windows XP Service Pack 3 Release Candidate 2 is available to the public
What part of that means it is NOT "out to public"?
Alias
So Microsoft is using their paying customers to test something and
people think this is a new thing? LOL! Vista wasn't ready to be released
and is now being tested by the hapless people who paid for the "privilege".
Alias
HEMI - Powered
discussion du jour ...
> any idea if window xp service pack 3 is finally released and
> where to download it from ??
>
Can anybody give me a rational reason why anyone should download
and install this? Surely you do not allow MS to install every damn
update! Some, the percentage varies according to what version you
have and the apps on your system, are known to cause heartburn.
Thus, I am very selective and lurk here and other places for awhile
before installing updates. I'd guess my install percentage of the
total is 90-95%. So, I would never install SP3 because it'd install
all the stuff I already denied. And, like when I delayed SP2, I
waited until I had a new PC built and did a clean install, I am
very leery of doing an update that large over the top of a very
stable SP2.
So, what I'm interested in isn't "install everything, if MS didn't
think it was critical, they wouldn't offer the update" nor am I
interested in beta testing SP3 for free. What I AM interested in is
WHAT people think is important about SP3 and WHY they would risk a
system blow-down by a cavalier install without knowing and
accepting the risks. In other words, I'd would like a factual
explanation, if there is any.
Thank you.
--
HP, aka Jerry
"Surely you jest - and don't call me Shirley!" - from the movie
"Airplane!"
HEMI - Powered
...
> RC2 is out to public, not the final. It's really good though,
> absolutely no problems.
There is simply no such thing as "no problems" with ANY software
release from ANY developer whether it is an O/S or application or
utility or driver or anything. Bug-free code is mathematically
impossible to create and today's go-go world of extreme
competition leads developers to rush releases out the door, the
early adopters, ala Vista, beta test on their Visa cards, etc.
Whether there are or are not problems with SP3 depends highly on
how your system is configured, what apps/utilities you have and
what versions, what hardware and drivers you've installed, and
what you do with your system. While I think that XP Pro is by far
the most stable O/S MS has ever produced, it is hardly 100%
stable or 100% problem free. That goes from the initial release,
SP1, and SP2 as well as the hundreds and hundreds of patches
released. Because I practice safe updating in a variety of ways,
my personal problems have been relatively few and minor but I do
not want to risk a visit from Murphy until I see a LOT of people
saying that SP3 is OK, and even then I doubt I'll every install
it.
And, you can take to the bank that I won't go to Vista at until
6-12 months AFTER SP1, and then only on a new PC certified to run
it.
> "allure" <all...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:715C947A-9C07-4737...@microsoft.com...
>> any idea if window xp service pack 3 is finally released and
>> where to download it from ??
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HEMI - Powered
>> Yes it is.
>> look here:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=114f3
>> 599-12af-42b2-aab1-b969a62c68a7&DisplayLang=en#AdditionalInfo
>>
>> Under the heading "Brief Description":
>> Windows XP Service Pack 3 Release Candidate 2 is available to
>> the public
>>
>> What part of that means it is NOT "out to public"?
>
> So Microsoft is using their paying customers to test something
> and people think this is a new thing? LOL! Vista wasn't ready
> to be released and is now being tested by the hapless people
> who paid for the "privilege".
>
You have succinctly summarized my philosophy! I will simply NOT
beta test ANY SW on my Visa card, not even an O/S free update! The
only kind of early adopter I could possibly think of that should
buy Vista right now is someone who MUST have it to support an app,
utility, or piece of HW correcty, e.g., an ultra-fast PC with a
quad-core processor that they want in excess of 4 gigs of memory
and some other things that XP can't or won't support.
Colin Barnhorst
and infrastructure against the current state of the service pack to identify
issues and plan for adoption after the release. Individuals have reasons
that are important to them. Everybody has a choice.
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Gordon
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> discussion du jour ...
>
>> any idea if window xp service pack 3 is finally released and
>> where to download it from ??
>>
> Can anybody give me a rational reason why anyone should download
> and install this?
Sure.
look here at the "New Functionality" notes:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/d/8/cd8cc719-7d5a-40d3-a802-e4057aa8c631/relnotes.htm
Lem
Pretty slim pickin's there. I especially like this "new functionality":
Offers more descriptive text to explain the settings and prevent
incorrect configuration of settings.
As an ex-coder, however, I do take exception to Mr. Mopar's assertion
that "Bug-free code is mathematically impossible to create."
--
Lem -- MS-MVP
To the moon and back with 2K words of RAM and 36K words of ROM.
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Uncle Grumpy
GanjaMan
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>> absolutely no problems.
>
> I do not want to risk a visit from Murphy until I see a LOT of people
> saying that SP3 is OK, and even then I doubt I'll every install it.
I downloaded and installed RC2 on a ThinkPad laptop I didn't mind
destroying--and a good thing too that it's the only system I installed it
on.
I had no error whatsoever reported during the install, but after the reboot,
I had no network. Both the onboard and wireless NICs were there and
reported just fine in Device Manager, but the networking applet didn't list
either of them. Didn't have too many option to try to fix this, so I just
removed it.
Then while I was running the uninstaller, I went to another (good) machine
and stumbled upon some post saying that installing RC2 on top of RC1 wasn't
a supported scenario. I can't say for sure whether this is to blame, but
that was definitely the case here.
I got some rather ominous-sounding warnings near the start of the
uninstallation process--it listed some software that might stop working,
hardware that might stop working (a list that included *every* single entry
under Device Manager)...but given that I didn't mind rebuilding that machine
from scratch, I just went ahead and let it do its thing anyway...and I gotta
say I was quite impressed at how it all went...it took a good while, and
after a couple of reboots, it took a good 10 minutes to redetect all the
hardware...went back to Windows Update and fetched maybe 3MB worth of
updates (that's all that was listed at that point)...and the system is back
up and running as solid as it was before (or so it appears on the surface,
at least).
That being said, when I find the time, I *might* try reinstalling RC2, now
that RC1 is gone and--in theory, at least--I'm back in an "SP2 state"...or
the SP3 RTM might be out before that. I can't say I'm in such a hurry to be
running SP3 that I *need* to try again now...
Ken Blake, MVP
<all...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> any idea if window xp service pack 3 is finally released
It has not yet been released.
> and where to
> download it from ??
It will come through the normal Windows update or Microsoft Update.
--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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Alias
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:15:00 -0800, allure
> <all...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> any idea if window xp service pack 3 is finally released
>
>
> It has not yet been released.
>
>
>> and where to
>> download it from ??
>
>
> It will come through the normal Windows update or Microsoft Update.
>
Or, if you're smart, you'll order the free CD when it becomes available.
Alias
kookieman
Vista.
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kookieman
everyone knows. The no problems part was for me, and that was my opinion.
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Alias
> Both of you are clueless and made for each other, this post is about XP, not
> Vista.
Reread my post. I used the release of Vista as an example. Is English
not your first language?
Alias
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When it is released, it will be offered to your machine via Automatic
Updates.
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Uncle Grumpy
>horsesheet!
That's what I thought your reply was, but saying "You've got egg on
your face" was nicer (and atypical of me).
Uncle Grumpy
>WinXP SP3 has not been released.
>
>When it is released, it will be offered to your machine via Automatic
>Updates.
I'm curious: will there be a possibility of getting an XP CD with all
the service packs so I don't have to try another slipstreaming?
I'd be willing to pay for one as long as it won't be full price (my CD
is an upgrade version).
PA Bear [MS MVP]
As WinXP SP2 was made available on CD (free in most locales but you paid
S&H), I'd expect SP3 to be available on CD, as well. Whether you'll be able
to slipstream is with your upgrade CD is another question.
I'd recommend that everyone considering slipsteaming first familiarize
themselves with the White Paper:
http://www.microsoft.com/Downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=68c48dad-bc34-40be-8d85-6bb4f56f5110
Then peruse the various threads in WinXP SP3 Beta forum about slipstreaming
as well as requirements for installing SP3:
http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=2010&SiteID=17
All of this is sure to be a hot topic of conversation when SP3 is finally
released. I can tell you that slipstreaming SP3 will not be the same as
splipstreaming SP2.
--
~PA Bear
kookieman
than everyone thinks you are? Your 'example' was entirely irrelevant (if it
was one) because it is entirely possible that a company makes one very good
product and another bad one.
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Uncle Grumpy
>> I'm curious: will there be a possibility of getting an XP CD with all
>> the service packs so I don't have to try another slipstreaming?
>>
>> I'd be willing to pay for one as long as it won't be full price (my CD
>> is an upgrade version).
>
>As WinXP SP2 was made available on CD (free in most locales but you paid
>S&H), I'd expect SP3 to be available on CD, as well. Whether you'll be able
>to slipstream is with your upgrade CD is another question.
Thanks!
I really do NOT want to play around with slipstreaming again. I was
recently having minor problems with my system (right-click, SEND TO)
that were (unfortunately) built into my available backups and when I
attempted a repair installation using my slipstreamed disc, I
encountered errors (am clueless why) that told me some Acronis files
couldn't be found.
Colin Barnhorst
already now that the RC is out. Slipstreaming works the same as it always
has and no new versions of the popular slipstreaming apps are needed nor are
there any changes to the documented procedures that have been in use for
years. I did not have any problems slipstreaming with any hologrammed cd's
including XP Gold, even though it is inadvisable to use Gold. In that
respect, slipstreaming procedures have not changed at all.
The related topic, that of SP3's dependency on SP1 or SP2 being installed
first is better left until SP3 rtm is available to everyone on WU. It does
have an impact on slipstreaming, but only on the result achieved (quality of
the OS installed with such a cd), not the procedure.
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Alias
> It is.
You could have fooled me.
> Do you want to duel me and find out that you're an even bigger loser
> than everyone thinks you are? Your 'example' was entirely irrelevant (if it
> was one) because it is entirely possible that a company makes one very good
> product and another bad one.
Sorry you didn't understand. Maybe if you reread it ten times ...
Alias
HEMI - Powered
...
> Both of you are clueless and made for each other, this post is
> about XP, not Vista.
>
No kidding?! I used Vista only as an analogous way to describe beta
testing by the user at their expense one way or another, but
certainly monetary, time, effort, frustration, etc. so I think a
comparison is valid and on-topic, but that's just my opinion.
As for being clueless, I am not, but if you want to take cheap
shots, be my guest.
HEMI - Powered
> kookieman wrote:
>> Both of you are clueless and made for each other, this post
>> is about XP, not Vista.
>
> Reread my post. I used the release of Vista as an example. Is
> English not your first language?
>
And, I implied the same, as well as the more general case of ANY
and ALL SW whether XP, Vista, any O/S or any application or utility
SW.
HEMI - Powered
...
> Why do you come into the thread and compose three paragraphs
> of stuff everyone knows. The no problems part was for me, and
> that was my opinion.
It sometimes takes 3 paragraphs to illustrate to someone like you,
with an apt handle - kookie - that it isn't a binary decision that
a given release, like XP SP3 or SP2 or anything does or does not
have problems. It simply isn't that simple, but apparently that's
the only thing your mind can handle. Get a life whilst considering
that what I stated, verbose or laconic, was my opinion and that of
some other people chiming in here.
HEMI - Powered
du jour ...
> WinXP SP3 has not been released.
>
> When it is released, it will be offered to your machine via
> Automatic Updates.
Thanks for the warning, you can be damn sure I will NEVER take
advantage of something this huge with the potential for so much
grief via automatic updates!
PaulMaudib
>any idea if window xp service pack 3 is finally released and where to
>download it from ??
When? No, it has not yet been announced.
Where? From MS, of course.
On topic HERE? NO. Beta software has no place here.
Colin Barnhorst
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kookieman
anyone using Windows, so I'm not really surprised.
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HEMI - Powered
du jour ...
> The upgrade should only be about 65MB on an up to date SP2
> system.
>
>>> WinXP SP3 has not been released.
>>>
>>> When it is released, it will be offered to your machine via
>>> Automatic Updates.
>>
>> Thanks for the warning, you can be damn sure I will NEVER
>> take advantage of something this huge with the potential for
>> so much grief via automatic updates!
It isn't the size, even though that large a file is a LONG download
so I would order a CD, it is that I would never allow autoupdate to
attempt such as thing. Call me paranoid but I have very little
confidence in MS's ability to "do it right the first time". e.g., I
NEVER install critical updates right away, and never all of them at
once. I lurk here and other places to see what early updaters
experience. I've already stated why I wouldn't do an SP3 for any
reason, so I don't need to repeat it.
Alias
> From your posts it would seem that you think there's something wrong with
> anyone using Windows, so I'm not really surprised.
I have don't have much use for Windows or Microsoft's strong arm tactics
with its paying customers. About the only thing I use Windows for is
gaming. As far as users of Windows is concerned, most users aren't aware
of the pitfalls of Windows and those who do, don't really have a good
excuse for using it.
Ask yourself how many Windows boxes are corralled into herd bots and how
many Macs and Linux boxes are but, hey, it's your computer, although
Microsoft may dispute that, being as you are using Windows at
Microsoft's pleasure.
Alias
Very wise, Jerry, and I concur completely. I used to run to get Windows
updates until I was fooled by Microsoft when they posted WGA as a
"critical" update. Now I wait until the weekend following Updates
Tuesday and read the Windows Update newsgroup as well as tech sites to
make sure that MS hasn't fuēked up again.
Alias
Alias
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:15:00 -0800, allure
> <all...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> any idea if window xp service pack 3 is finally released and where to
>> download it from ??
> When? No, it has not yet been announced.
>
> Where? From MS, of course.
Or you can order the CD and no download required (recommended).
> On topic HERE? NO. Beta software has no place here.
>
It's related to XP and this is XP *general*. Hence, completely on topic,
your anal net nanny cop crap notwithstanding.
Alias
HEMI - Powered
>> It isn't the size, even though that large a file is a LONG
>> download so I would order a CD, it is that I would never
>> allow autoupdate to attempt such as thing. Call me paranoid
>> but I have very little confidence in MS's ability to "do it
>> right the first time". e.g., I NEVER install critical updates
>> right away, and never all of them at once. I lurk here and
>> other places to see what early updaters experience. I've
>> already stated why I wouldn't do an SP3 for any reason, so I
>> don't need to repeat it.
>
> Very wise, Jerry, and I concur completely. I used to run to
> get Windows updates until I was fooled by Microsoft when they
> posted WGA as a "critical" update. Now I wait until the
> weekend following Updates Tuesday and read the Windows Update
> newsgroup as well as tech sites to make sure that MS hasn't
> fuēked up again.
>
And, Alias, even though MS usually sets an RP, I manually set one.
And, I always set an RP for other things, like Norton System Works
2006 - no fair picking on me for being dumb and buying Symantec!
<grin> - they don't set an RP first and often update system files
which is dangerous.
Alias
I do the same thing except that I don't use anything Symantec. I use
Avast for an AV and Comodo for a firewall with my XP installs, along
with my NAT router hard firewall.
Course, with Ubuntu, all I need is the NAT firewall and RPs don't exist
or need thinking about ;-)
Alias
Colin Barnhorst
regions where they pay for download time, etc.
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HEMI - Powered
du jour ...
> The cd has to be the best choice for dialup folks, especially
> the ones in regions where they pay for download time, etc.
A CD is best for everyone, Colin. I've heard numbers from 67MB to
300MB, but no matter what it is, that's iffy even for a cable
modem user. I ordered the CD for SP2 back when. But, for this and
many other threads, I have yet to see even the remotest
compelling reason to even bother if my system is as up-to-date as
I want it and it runs fine. Beyond that, why risk a visit from
Murphy?
Colin Barnhorst
SP1 fresh install with no subsequent updates. Broadband is fine. Most
users have no need of the cd and 99% will even know or care about options to
just letting WU do the job for them. Since the download is verified before
attempting installation there is no difference between the Windows Update
Experience and running the upgrade from a cd.
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Alias
> Colin Barnhorst added these comments in the current discussion
> du jour ...
>
>> The cd has to be the best choice for dialup folks, especially
>> the ones in regions where they pay for download time, etc.
>
> A CD is best for everyone, Colin. I've heard numbers from 67MB to
> 300MB, but no matter what it is, that's iffy even for a cable
> modem user. I ordered the CD for SP2 back when. But, for this and
> many other threads, I have yet to see even the remotest
> compelling reason to even bother if my system is as up-to-date as
> I want it and it runs fine. Beyond that, why risk a visit from
> Murphy?
In all fairness to XP, I have never encountered an issue with updates on
three machines, two in English and one in Spanish. The only issue I had
was when MS decided to rate the WGA tool as "critical". It still
installed fine and informed me of what I already knew: my copy of XP was
"genuine".
Alias
Colin Barnhorst
demand a reboot. I don't know why the wga team is so privileged that they
cannot wait for Patch Tuesday like everyone else. (Just venting).
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Alias
> I am irritated by the wga updates. They come any old time and sometimes
> demand a reboot. I don't know why the wga team is so privileged that
> they cannot wait for Patch Tuesday like everyone else. (Just venting).
*None* of my three computers that have XP on them have WGA. I use the
Auto Updates, inform but don't download or install setting. If WGA
should rear its ugly head, I just tell it to not download or install it
and to not offer the "update" again.
I like XP and it has served me well. Once SP2 for Vista is out, I'd
probably like that too. What I don't like is MS telling me I am a pirate
until I jump through their "anti piracy" hoops and prove otherwise.
Hence, I started learning Ubuntu Linux and I'm glad I did.
Alias
Colin Barnhorst
and networking is better. I like it better than SP2 for those reasons.
You'll probably pick up 5% to 10% in performance in some tasks. Depends on
what you do.
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Webster
I know that was supposed to be a feature it included.
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HEMI - Powered
> In all fairness to XP, I have never encountered an issue with
> updates on three machines, two in English and one in Spanish.
> The only issue I had was when MS decided to rate the WGA tool
> as "critical". It still installed fine and informed me of what
> I already knew: my copy of XP was "genuine".
I have not personally suffered a failure or problem because I
practice "safe updating". But each and every month, on this and
other Windows XP NGs, I see people talking about KB updates that
failed to install correctly and/or caused something to go bump in
the night, so I wait and see. If enough people report some sort of
problem, I do NOT install that update, especially if I don't
perceive that I am at risk for whatever is being fixed.
HEMI - Powered
du jour ...
> SP3 seems to improve performance (those are the TechBeta
> testers' reports) and networking is better. I like it better
> than SP2 for those reasons. You'll probably pick up 5% to 10%
> in performance in some tasks. Depends on what you do.
First mention I've seen of a real benefit. Thanks. I am surprised,
though, that MS would spend time on what they believe is an
obsolete O/S trying to speed it up.
kookieman
highest end graphics cards) and Aero (personal perference but no usability
added imo) great steps, I don't think XP is outdated.. MS really should face
reality and offer both products (Vista and XP) side by side for all
manufacturers once SP3 and SP1 are out. At least till Windows 7 is out
(which is supposedly good). The best MS product in the past few years imo
was Office 2007.. it's awesome
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Colin Barnhorst
Windows has been for what went before it. Since nobody has seen a
reasonably finished product of course it is wonderful. Duh.
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Colin Barnhorst
into MS's statements than they themselves have said. XP is still in active
support, after all. New features are still possible. SP3 is a major
project.
If anyone is considering XP obsolete it is the computer manufacturer's who
are only shipping Vista preinstalled and not writing XP drivers for their
new systems for those who still prefer XP. I'm not criticizing them for
making such a business decision, but it is a statement on their part that XP
is obsolete. They are saying to their customers that "it is time to move
on." Hopefully their customers who want XP will move on...to another brand.
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HEMI - Powered
...
> Unless you call DX10 (used only by few games and differences
> seen only with highest end graphics cards) and Aero (personal
> perference but no usability added imo) great steps, I don't
> think XP is outdated.. MS really should face reality and offer
> both products (Vista and XP) side by side for all
> manufacturers once SP3 and SP1 are out. At least till Windows
> 7 is out (which is supposedly good). The best MS product in
> the past few years imo was Office 2007.. it's awesome
I didn's say that XP was outdated or obsolete, I said MS believes
it is obsolete, and they do. I personally agree with you. It is
very, very stable and does what I want it to while not doing
anything weird, which is why I am so conservative. Now, lest
anyone think I have feet of clay and am not open to new ideas, I
will go to Vista upon my next custom PC build. But, and this is
important, the fast processors, motherboards, video cards, etc.
are still evolving and are quite pricey, apps to fully support it
all are still evolving, and Vista needs to mature some, at least
to SP1, perhaps longer until any/all problems, driver
availability, etc. are resolved. At one time, I was both a
programmer and a PC hobbyist, but since about 1995, I switched to
viewing a PC as a tool to do useful work, so XP does that for me
right now but I can see that the future is either Vista or Linux.
Have a great week, Kookie!
HEMI - Powered
du jour ...
> I wasn't aware that MS considers XP obsolete. That would be
> reading more into MS's statements than they themselves have
> said. XP is still in active support, after all. New features
> are still possible. SP3 is a major project.
I don't know that they have. But, I don't think they still sell
it and it does have an announced date sometime in 2009 when
support ceases except for critical updates to fix security holes.
If someone knows different, I would appreciate hearing about it.
> If anyone is considering XP obsolete it is the computer
> manufacturer's who are only shipping Vista preinstalled and
> not writing XP drivers for their new systems for those who
> still prefer XP. I'm not criticizing them for making such a
> business decision, but it is a statement on their part that XP
> is obsolete. They are saying to their customers that "it is
> time to move on." Hopefully their customers who want XP will
> move on...to another brand.
I'd like my nephew and tech support guru to build my wife a new
PC with XP on it but he says that he can't buy a retain version
of XP SP2 anymore from MS or any of his normal wholesale or
retail sources for HW and SW. I suppose that it can be found on
eBay and the like and I'm sure that some stores still have it,
but AFAIK, it has been dropped like a hot potato. Still, your
point is well taken, Colin: MS "encourages" both SW developers
and PC OEMs to install the latest and generally still forces them
to at least pay the royalty in order to say they are MS
certified. It's too bad that they won't offer XP anymore but
then, car companies cease production of last years cars, ditto
home appliances, and even clothes go out of style once a year.
The way the world works is to make it at least appear that the
previous version of whatever is like last week's lettuce so that
the customer will feel some sort of OCD-like compulsion to buy
the latest and greatest at any cost in money, time, and
frustration.
Jeff Barnett
> I'd like my nephew and tech support guru to build my wife a new
> PC with XP on it but he says that he can't buy a retain version
> of XP SP2 anymore from MS or any of his normal wholesale or
> retail sources for HW and SW. I suppose that it can be found on
> eBay and the like and I'm sure that some stores still have it,
> but AFAIK, it has been dropped like a hot potato.
places the still sell XP (all varieties Home, Pro, etc., SP1 SP2, etc.,
32 bit, 64 bit, etc.). Is your nephew of an age where he's discovered
girls - the anti-computer-guru spell - so has little time for this venture?
-- Jeff Barnett
Colin Barnhorst
builders for another year. Active support ends in 2009 and extended support
in 2014. Win98 is obsolete. XP still is not.
Here is just one source for XP for your technician. Either he is not
looking very hard or something else is going on.
http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=368&name=Operating-Systems
For the full list see:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&SubCategory=368&N=2060350368
As you can see, all editions of XP SP2 are there; full retail, upgrade
retail, OEM, Home, Pro, MCE. They are all there.
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> Alias added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>
>> In all fairness to XP, I have never encountered an issue with
>> updates on three machines, two in English and one in Spanish.
>> The only issue I had was when MS decided to rate the WGA tool
>> as "critical". It still installed fine and informed me of what
>> I already knew: my copy of XP was "genuine".
>
> I have not personally suffered a failure or problem because I
> practice "safe updating". But each and every month, on this and
> other Windows XP NGs, I see people talking about KB updates that
> failed to install correctly and/or caused something to go bump in
> the night, so I wait and see. If enough people report some sort of
> problem, I do NOT install that update, especially if I don't
> perceive that I am at risk for whatever is being fixed.
>
Most, if not all, of the Updates problems stem from using auto update,
letting it update whenever it wants, even if you have twenty programs
open. Here's my routine for updates.
Reboot.
Use Crap Cleaner and clean out all temp files.
Reboot.
Run Crap Cleaner again.
Set a restore point.
Turn on Automatic Updates to inform me but not download or install anything.
When the little yellow shield appears, I use Custom to see what's being
offered and nuke IE7 or any of the WGA flavors if they're offered.
I let it download the updates and when the shield appears telling me I
can install them, I hit Start/Turn Off Computer and hit Turn Off so that
the updates will install *outside* of Windows.
That said, I, like you, wait until the weekend following Update Tuesday
and read the Windows Update newsgroup and tech sites to make sure there
aren't any glitches.
Alias
Shenan Stanley
After reading the above entire thread - but particular just the part (inline
responses) - I have to say a couple of things.
First - did you get the dates ("sometime in 2009") and facts ("support
ceases except for critical updates to fix security holes") from the same
person you mention later ("my nephew and tech support guru") - if so - did
they give you any details? Here are the details:
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifepolicy
Explaining what you might see...
(# 3 - pay close attention to # 3)
And:
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifeselectindex
Where you can see the dates/support options for products by name...
Windows XP Professional:
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3223
Windows XP Home:
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3221
Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005:
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=7024
Windows XP TabletPC Edition 2005:
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=7801
Short Answer...
Mainstream support ends: 4/14/2009
Extended support ends: 4/8/2014
Second - the person you mention ("my nephew and tech support guru") has told
you that he cannot buy a "retail version of Windows XP with SP2 anymore"?
I've even seen it in Wal~Mart and such - so I know that even for most
people - it's still available locally. However - that one is easy to check
up on... Looking at some of the more well-known online vendors first:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16837116195
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16837116193
Broadening the search (and skipping to the Full Retail pages):
http://www.pricewatch.com/software_oper_system/4181-12.htm
http://www.pricewatch.com/software_oper_system/4180-6.htm
So you can still get the full retail fversion in MANY places. A local
computer store (big name or not) probably still has it as well.
Wishing Microsoft would continue offering Windows XP is like wishing that
there were still selling/supporting as new Mac OS 9 or previous versions of
*nix or closer to the product line - Windows 98, Windows 2000. Everything
becomes obsolete - just because - historically - the electronics and
software industry moves faster than most other products in this reguard is
no reason to become meloncholy about it. It happens and not too many years
down the line - it will happen for the stuff you consider new now.
No one is forcing you to upgrade. I *still* know people using Windows 98.
They don't use it for much more than dialing up to get their email and are
still using the same hardware that came with the machine - but they are
using it the way they want. Only *you* make *you* change. If what you are
trying to do requires a new piece of hardware - it is because you chose to
do something that requires said new piece of hardware. If what you are
trying to do requires a new set of software - it is because you chose to do
something that requires said new set of software. Whether that is surfing
the Internet and utilizing the latest flash pages or just buying that new
scanner/camera and finding out the manufacturer does not support it on
Windows XX...
Products come and go. Heck - if something happens to the carpet in your
living room - chances are if it is over 5 years old - you won't be able to
get matching carpet anywhere. ;-)
--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
HEMI - Powered
jour ...
> HEMI - Powered wrote:
Thanks, Jeff. I'll pass it on to him, Jeff. Yes, he has a fiance
and is 40, but no, he's not stupid as you imply. So, I appreciate
your input and I would ask you politely not to jump to
conclusions. The bigger question is NOT that he can't or won't
find XP someplace, it is whether he has the time and the
inclination to build me a new PC.
For my education, where do these places you cite get XP legally?
Isn't it true that MS has stopped selling it and has stopped
supporting it in that they no longer sell XP? I've looked around
some myself, but there are so many stores and so many web sites
and so many scams that I could easily have passed by some place
called "newegg.com". And, I qualified my comment about my nephew
by saying the places he usually gets HW and SW from, both OEM
wholesale and retail. I don't want another OEM license even if he
finds one, what I do want - if in fact I actually get a new PC
built which is iffy at best right now for me or for my wife - is
XP Pro SP2 32 bit.
Any further suggestions would be appreciated.
HEMI - Powered
du jour ...
> It continues on retail shelves until this July and available
> to system builders for another year. Active support ends in
> 2009 and extended support in 2014. Win98 is obsolete. XP
> still is not.
>
> Here is just one source for XP for your technician. Either he
> is not looking very hard or something else is going on.
> http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=368&na
> me=Operating-Systems For the full list see:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&SubCa
> tegory=368&N=2060350368 As you can see, all editions of XP SP2
> are there; full retail, upgrade retail, OEM, Home, Pro, MCE.
> They are all there.
Thanks, muchly! I've never heard of newegg, but that's not a
surprise. Are they reliable?
HEMI - Powered
jour ...
> After reading the above entire thread - but particular just
> the part (inline responses) - I have to say a couple of
> things.
> First - did you get the dates ("sometime in 2009") and facts
> ("support ceases except for critical updates to fix security
> holes") from the same person you mention later ("my nephew and
> tech support guru") - if so - did they give you any details?
> Here are the details:
No, I think I read in in PC magazine's December, 2006 or January,
2007 edition.
> http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifepolicy
> Explaining what you might see...
> (# 3 - pay close attention to # 3)
>
> And:
> http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifeselectindex
> Where you can see the dates/support options for products by
> name...
>
> Windows XP Professional:
> http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3223
>
> Windows XP Home:
> http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3221
>
> Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005:
> http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=7024
>
> Windows XP TabletPC Edition 2005:
> http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=7801
>
> Short Answer...
> Mainstream support ends: 4/14/2009
> Extended support ends: 4/8/2014
Thanks for all the links, I'll check into this further.
> Second - the person you mention ("my nephew and tech support
> guru") has told you that he cannot buy a "retail version of
> Windows XP with SP2 anymore"? I've even seen it in Wal~Mart
> and such - so I know that even for most people - it's still
> available locally. However - that one is easy to check up
> on... Looking at some of the more well-known online vendors
> first:
Please re-read your own quote of what I said "HE cannot buy XP
anymore", which strongly implies that he knows it isn't available
locally nor though his normal Internet sources. You're the 3rd
person to mention newegg. I never heard of them and I suspect
neither has my nephew, so that explains that and it also needs
some qualification as to their reliability etc.
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16837116195
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16837116193
>
> Broadening the search (and skipping to the Full Retail pages):
> http://www.pricewatch.com/software_oper_system/4181-12.htm
> http://www.pricewatch.com/software_oper_system/4180-6.htm
>
> So you can still get the full retail fversion in MANY places.
> A local computer store (big name or not) probably still has it
> as well.
Again, Shenan, not locally. I am quite leery of Googling my way
to this because of the (alleged) high amount of bootlegged
versions that refuse to activate. Yes, this is an unsubstantiated
opinion, but Vista has been out for a long time, if I have read
the MS notes that I am aware of (didn't know about those you cite
above), I jumped to the conclusion that MS no longer supported XP
so it didn't surprise me that my local Best Buy, Circuit City,
and few remaining full-line computer stores don't have it on
their shelves. I've also asked if XP is available in their
inventory as a special order and came up blank. Again, this is
NOT to say that XP isn't available, just that my nephew and I
didn't see it in the usual places we look for such things. So,
thanks for enlightening us both.
> Wishing Microsoft would continue offering Windows XP is like
> wishing that there were still selling/supporting as new Mac OS
> 9 or previous versions of *nix or closer to the product line -
> Windows 98, Windows 2000. Everything becomes obsolete - just
> because - historically - the electronics and software industry
> moves faster than most other products in this reguard is no
> reason to become meloncholy about it. It happens and not too
> many years down the line - it will happen for the stuff you
> consider new now.
I actually didn't say that I wished MS would continue. I believe
I used cars and consumer good as analogies of why companies do
NOT continue to sell older anything.
> No one is forcing you to upgrade. I *still* know people using
> Windows 98. They don't use it for much more than dialing up to
> get their email and are still using the same hardware that
> came with the machine - but they are using it the way they
> want. Only *you* make *you* change. If what you are trying
> to do requires a new piece of hardware - it is because you
> chose to do something that requires said new piece of
> hardware. If what you are trying to do requires a new set of
> software - it is because you chose to do something that
> requires said new set of software. Whether that is surfing
> the Internet and utilizing the latest flash pages or just
> buying that new scanner/camera and finding out the
> manufacturer does not support it on Windows XX...
I never said I am being forced to upgrade. Again, Shenan, I thank
you for the valuable info but where'd you get all of your
opinions of me from? In fact, in this NG and all others, I have
steadfastly said that I would neither "upgrade" to SP3 nor to
Vista at the present time. In other threads at other times, I
have also said that I would NEVER do an in-place upgrade, I would
ONLY do a clean install. There is a lot to this in my mind, I
only made the comments I did in the light of people who DO want
to upgrade or have some compulsion to have the latest of
everything. I do not.
And, I believe I stated that I have 2 separate situations: 1) my
wife's PC which is pretty old and pretty slow and is running XP
Pro SP1 and 2) my PC which is newer and faster but not fast
enough for my perceived future needs. My past method of upgrading
is to give my wife my older PC - yes, I love her and no, I don't
give her hand-me-downs, but her needs are primarily E-mail, web
surfing, and just looking at pictures. I then get a new PC built
for myself, transfer all my data from both PCs to the correct new
one, and proceed to get it all running.
I have legacy HW and SW that I still want and need OR I can bite
the bullet and buy all new SW and HW. Now, I really DO understand
that in order to take advantage of a state-of-the-art PC as I
briefly commented on DOES require all new software that can take
advantage of the new HW. I am pretty sure I included this
"disclaimer" in previous posts to this thread. That said, some of
my apps, e.g., PSP 9, cannot be upgraded except to what the buyer
of the company now offers. In that example, Jasc Software was
bought out by Corel, who proceeded to destroy everything. So, I
DO know that most/ ALL of my apps and utilities either have to be
upgraded or a new mousetrap purchased for the same purpose.
> Products come and go. Heck - if something happens to the
> carpet in your living room - chances are if it is over 5 years
> old - you won't be able to get matching carpet anywhere. ;-)
>
One more time, I much appreciate all your comments and those of
others who're pointing out that I have my head in the sand and so
does my nephew. But, since I am oft accused of being both verbose
and bloviating, which are accurate assessments of my posting
style especially on complex topics, I just didn't elucidate
everything above and more.
There are some extremely bright and experienced people in this
and other Windows NGs and there are also a large percentage of
newbies or people that do not have a clue about anything. I am
often accused of being stupid or it is as least implied. I am
not. What I AM much of the time is inexperienced in some areas of
both HW and SW and generally out-of-date because I have more
important things to do than try to stay current. So, I monitor
about 15 NGs to try to stay as current as possible and only
comment when someone posts something I want to know more about, I
think I can help them, or I want to voice my views. This thread
is the latter, where it confounds me why so many people are like
Lemmings running to jump off a cliff or newbies who have no idea
what they have now nor what XP SP3 is or is not or what Vista is
or is not.
So, I do appreciate new information and I would hope that others
treat me with the same respect as I try to extend to them. Thanks
and have a great weekend!
HEMI - Powered
>> I have not personally suffered a failure or problem because I
>> practice "safe updating". But each and every month, on this
>> and other Windows XP NGs, I see people talking about KB
>> updates that failed to install correctly and/or caused
>> something to go bump in the night, so I wait and see. If
>> enough people report some sort of problem, I do NOT install
>> that update, especially if I don't perceive that I am at risk
>> for whatever is being fixed.
>
> Most, if not all, of the Updates problems stem from using auto
> update, letting it update whenever it wants, even if you have
> twenty programs open. Here's my routine for updates.
I have said so many times that I tire of the task that I agree
with you. Do NOT EVER turn updates on to full auto! Mine are set
to "do not download or install just notify me."
> Reboot.
>
> Use Crap Cleaner and clean out all temp files.
>
> Reboot.
>
> Run Crap Cleaner again.
>
> Set a restore point.
>
> Turn on Automatic Updates to inform me but not download or
> install anything.
>
> When the little yellow shield appears, I use Custom to see
> what's being offered and nuke IE7 or any of the WGA flavors if
> they're offered.
>
> I let it download the updates and when the shield appears
> telling me I can install them, I hit Start/Turn Off Computer
> and hit Turn Off so that the updates will install *outside* of
> Windows.
>
> That said, I, like you, wait until the weekend following
> Update Tuesday and read the Windows Update newsgroup and tech
> sites to make sure there aren't any glitches.
>
I do precisely what you outline here, and install only about 90%
of what is offered. Thanks for your observations.
Alias
> Thanks, muchly! I've never heard of newegg, but that's not a
> surprise. Are they reliable?
Yes. I bought Office 2003 Pro and Windows XP Pro with SP2c there and
both are genuine and work as they should. NewEgg is very well known in
tech circles as a good place to purchase computer related stuff.
Alias
Shenan Stanley
See Entire Conversation Archived Indefinitely Here:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/browse_frm/thread/9921da0926de1e27/29909ff3996e7c65#29909ff3996e7c65
I have noticed (from other responses) that you do not get around to many of
the larger and well reviewed/well-known online vendors... Thought I might
assist with that...
For Pricing/Opinions/Reviews on various products:
- http://www.dealsites.net/
- http://www.resellerratings.com/
- http://www.epinions.com/
- http://www.pricewatch.com/
Some well known/trusted online vendors (of just about everything) include
(in the U.S. anyway...)
- newegg.com
- buy.com
- amazon.com
- tigerdirect.com
- pcconnection.com
There are many others... A
lso - I would like to point out large chain stores you might now that also
sell online the specific product (Windows XP Retail) we are talking about
here:
Best Buy:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6709065&st=Windows+XP&lp=4&type=product&cp=1&id=1083713449054
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6709047&st=Windows+XP&lp=2&type=product&cp=1&id=1083713449003
Circuit City:
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Microsoft-Windows-XP-Home-Edition-with-Service-Pack-2-805529831414/sem/rpsm/oid/113706/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Microsoft-Windows-XP-Professional-Edition-Upgrade-805529831285/sem/rpsm/oid/119288/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
Walmart:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3405555
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3405538
OfficeMax:
http://www.officemax.com/omax/catalog/sku.jsp?skuId=20812621&searchString=Windows%20XP%20Professional
http://www.officemax.com/omax/catalog/sku.jsp?skuId=20812612&searchString=Windows%20XP%20Home%20Edition
Office Depot:
http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/774392/XP-Home-Edition-With-SP2-Full/
http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/774408/XP-Professional-With-Service-Pack-2/
So the product is very much available.
Let your "nephew and tech support guru" know that you know you can still
purchase and Windows XP is still a supported Operating System. And if you
plan on purchasing a new computer - you can still buy them with Windows XP
installed and supported by the original equipment manufacturer from most
companies (Dell, IBM, HP, Gateway, etc and so on) - you may have to ask or
look more carefully in some cases - but the Windows XP machines and support
is not dead.
Shenan Stanley
If your "nephew and tech support guru" cannot purchase a full retail copy of
Windows XP anymore - then I would rephrase your accolades to "my nephew and
whom *I* believe to be a tech support guru". ;-) Especially if your nephew
does not know about NewEgg.com, Buy.Com, Pricewatch.com. They may be a
person who programs and/or uses computers on a daily bases - but they must
not support and/or build them that much anymore.
I have given you links to well known stores in another thread, such as
OfficeMax, Office Depot, Best Buy, Circuit City, Walmart, etc. Surely you
and your nephew have heard of these places? As for the reliability of
newegg, buy.com, etc... I gave you links in the other answer (reseller
reviews, pricewatch.com) that gives you ratings for the sites. Walmart,
Best Buy, Office Depot, OfficeMax and Circuit City - online or offline - I
leave that to your judgment. ;-)
You even mention that Windows XP is not available at Best Buy/Circuit City
and that they cannot get it... I have given you links that say they can and
will again... ;-)
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6709065&st=Windows+XP&lp=4&type=product&cp=1&id=1083713449054
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6709047&st=Windows+XP&lp=2&type=product&cp=1&id=1083713449003
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Microsoft-Windows-XP-Home-Edition-with-Service-Pack-2-805529831414/sem/rpsm/oid/113706/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Microsoft-Windows-XP-Professional-Edition-Upgrade-805529831285/sem/rpsm/oid/119288/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
You can even try to get in-store pickup at your LOCAL store! You cannot get
more available at a place you know than that. ;-)
As for me attacking/accusing/assuming anything about you - if that is how
you feel - I apologize. I did not mean to make you feel like you have your
head in the sand - but to make sure you and your nephew know the options. I
am trying to teach you what I know - share with you my knowledge - do not
take it as anything else.
After all - you'll never learn any younger than you are right now. ;-)
Colin Barnhorst
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when I was wrong.
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Sunny
"HEMI - Powered" <Ny...@Nada.EN> wrote in message
| Alias added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
|
| >> I have not personally suffered a failure or problem because I
| >> practice "safe updating". But each and every month, on this
| >> and other Windows XP NGs, I see people talking about KB
| >> updates that failed to install correctly and/or caused
| >> something to go bump in the night, so I wait and see. If
| >> enough people report some sort of problem, I do NOT install
| >> that update, especially if I don't perceive that I am at risk
| >> for whatever is being fixed.
| >
| > Most, if not all, of the Updates problems stem from using auto
| > update, letting it update whenever it wants, even if you have
| > twenty programs open. Here's my routine for updates.
|
| I have said so many times that I tire of the task that I agree
| with you. Do NOT EVER turn updates on to full auto! Mine are set
| to "do not download or install just notify me."
Another "feature" coming up :-)
Microsoft's description of SP3 includes the statement :
"SP3 includes updates that you may have missed or chose not to install"
(bit of a worry for the "Non Auto set" like me.)
HEMI - Powered
> Another "feature" coming up :-)
> Microsoft's description of SP3 includes the statement :
> "SP3 includes updates that you may have missed or chose not to
> install" (bit of a worry for the "Non Auto set" like me.)
This is precisely why I would NOT install SP3! I am selective on
what I do or don't install. I think my install rate is in the 90-
95% range but I would be quite cranky if some new patches were
slipped in without my knowledge.
Alias
I wonder if that means that IE7, WGA tool and WMP 11 will be included
with no way to exclude them. If so, I will not be in any hurry to
install SP3.
Alias
Alias
Just read the .pdf. IE7 won't be included but the WGA tool will. Fuēk SP3.
Alias
catfish
I choose what I think is ok.
However I was wondering about installing service pack 3 until I read the
following message
"Assisted support (telephone, e-mail, and online chat) is not available from
Microsoft Support for this release of Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3)."
If that is the case, why should anyone install it?
Does microsoft have an answer for that?
anon
refresh, which you can download.
the final was only released to manufacturing yesterday,
and is not available yet from their website. However, it
is available on bitTorrent. It's build 5512.
Shenan Stanley
While it *may be* available from sources like bit torrent - I would not use
those sources to install on anything important to you. Something that will
replace core-files of your operating system - probably best to get it from
the source (I would think.)
BTW - you posted on 4/23/2008. The final Windows XP SP3 was released to
manufacturing on April 21, 2008. It should be on Windows Update (for public
consumption) by April 29th. 'Yesterday'?