Post being ignored????

Randem

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Dec 16, 2008, 7:56:39 PM12/16/08

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Sometime my posts are not reconized by the newsserver and even though the
posts go out the do not appear in the newsgroup. I have a copy of the post
in my outbox so I know they did go out, so where did they go????

I am using Outlook Express 6.0.2900.5512 to post the messages.

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Dec 16, 2008, 8:06:31 PM12/16/08

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Use MSNews as your news server for MS newsgroups.

Setting up Outlook Express Newsreader for MSNews:
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Terry R.

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The date and time was Tuesday, December 16, 2008 4:56:39 PM, and on a
whim, Randem pounded out on the keyboard:

> Sometime my posts are not reconized by the newsserver and even though the
> posts go out the do not appear in the newsgroup. I have a copy of the post
> in my outbox so I know they did go out, so where did they go????
>
> I am using Outlook Express 6.0.2900.5512 to post the messages.
>

Any in particular? I see your postings quite frequently.

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Unknown

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Dec 16, 2008, 8:06:14 PM12/16/08

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????

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?query=randem&dg=&cat=en-us-ms-winxp&lang=en&cr=US&pt=&catlist=B0DE109D-10E1-4C3C-BCC9-8EB7A22FC6A0&dglist=&ptlist=&exp=&sloc=en-us

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Shenan Stanley

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Dec 16, 2008, 8:09:31 PM12/16/08

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Randem wrote:
> Sometime my posts are not reconized by the newsserver and even
> though the posts go out the do not appear in the newsgroup. I have
> a copy of the post in my outbox so I know they did go out, so where
> did they go????
> I am using Outlook Express 6.0.2900.5512 to post the messages.

Into the ether. ;-)

I've had it happen a few times over the many many posts I have done. It's
not common - but it can happen. Sometimes - I am pretty sure it is a
filter - because often I will repeat the same post over and over - and it
will not show up - then I remove the single word that I think in my paranoia
might be blocking the posting - and amazingly the post goes through.

Coincidence? Maybe.

For a while there - I noticed that Google Groups didn't seem to be archiving
(or maybe falling behind) - that weirded me out too.

Are you certain your posts aren't there?

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Dec 16, 2008, 8:19:36 PM12/16/08

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[OP's been in my PBox for a while now. Wonder how he knows the posts were
sent if he's got "a copy of the post in [his] outbox"? <eg>

OP's posting history:
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=author:newsgroups%40randem.com&scoring=d ]

Bruce Hagen wrote:
> Use MSNews as your news server for MS newsgroups.
>
> Setting up Outlook Express Newsreader for MSNews:
> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
>

Daave

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Dec 16, 2008, 10:01:25 PM12/16/08

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What about the times when the MS news server aggressively filters
innocuous posts? ;-)

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Bruce Hagen

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Dec 16, 2008, 10:08:51 PM12/16/08

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You mean the:

"This message is no longer available on the server" notification?

That is entirely different.
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Joe Buck

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Dec 16, 2008, 10:29:24 PM12/16/08

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"Daave" <dcwash...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote:

>What about the times when the MS news server aggressively filters
>innocuous posts? ;-)

AFAIK the only posts that get filtered are those with obscenities in
the subject or the body.

I've tested it ;->

Bruce Hagen

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Dec 16, 2008, 10:35:38 PM12/16/08

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And I misread the OP's message headers. He is using MSNews right now. So why
we can see his posts and he can't is anyone's guess.
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Daave

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Dec 16, 2008, 11:12:10 PM12/16/08

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The MS news server has filtered a number of my posts. Here's one (it's
been archived on Google):

QJKdnSopn7Vmft_U...@cavtel.net

Apparently, MS also filters posts containing names of legit newsgroups,
including:

alt . comp . hardware . pc-homebuilt

(wihtout the spaces, of course)

The word "discr_t_" (e's in the blanks, as in "discr_t_ audio card")
apparently is too obscene, too!

Oops, I just used the "O" word! Let's see if *this* post makes it!

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Randem

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Dec 17, 2008, 1:12:05 AM12/17/08

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M y Mistake... Sent box. But I guess that would have taken a genius to
figure out...

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Randem

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Dec 17, 2008, 1:14:24 AM12/17/08

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How can you see what isn't there? How would you know what's missing??????

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Randem

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Dec 17, 2008, 1:16:04 AM12/17/08

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Of course... The missing ones...

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Randem

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Dec 17, 2008, 1:17:53 AM12/17/08

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That's strange too. I have gone to my sent box and resent the missing
message and then it goes thru without any changes. Sometimes it takes three
times.

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Dec 17, 2008, 1:22:35 AM12/17/08

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It is a pity they DON'T filter Randem's posts, with the amount of SPAM
addresses he has in them!
Do something about that!
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Mick Murphy

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Dec 17, 2008, 1:22:30 AM12/17/08

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It is a pity they DON'T filter Randem's posts, with the amount of SPAM
addresses he has in them!
Do something about that!

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Bruce Hagen

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Dec 17, 2008, 1:28:08 AM12/17/08

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I was talking about your message headers and your news server:

X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579

Just doing a Find in this newsgroup shows 171 posts in the past 90 days:
http://i42.tinypic.com/24me0lk.jpg
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Mick Murphy <MickM...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>It is a pity they DON'T filter Randem's posts, with the amount of SPAM
>addresses he has in them!
>Do something about that!

YOU'RE the one who chooses to stick with a medium that doesn't have
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Randem

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Dec 17, 2008, 2:25:14 AM12/17/08

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Well, sometimes it works flawlessly and sometimes no messages are posted in
a given session and I have to repost them in another session for them to
show up.

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Dec 17, 2008, 3:22:42 AM12/17/08

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You can do something about that STOP pretending to to be able to comprehend.
SPAM is posting where you actually have nothing to contribute to the
question asked...

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> Sometime my posts are not reconized by the newsserver and even though the
> posts go out the do not appear in the newsgroup. I have a copy of the post
> in my outbox so I know they did go out, so where did they go????
>
> I am using Outlook Express 6.0.2900.5512 to post the messages.
>
> --

[Deleted: SPAM]

Maybe they are being censored because of the gratuitous spam at the end of
them.

Mick Murphy

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Dec 17, 2008, 4:02:09 AM12/17/08

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SPAM

Mick Murphy

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Dec 17, 2008, 4:06:00 AM12/17/08

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Well, that sums you up.
You contribute nothing, but SPAM..
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"Randem" wrote:

> You can do something about that STOP pretending to to be able to comprehend.
> SPAM is posting where you actually have nothing to contribute to the
> question asked...
>
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>

N. Miller

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Dec 17, 2008, 5:11:07 AM12/17/08

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:12:10 -0500, Daave wrote:

> Apparently, MS also filters posts containing names of legit newsgroups,
> including:
>
> alt . comp . hardware . pc-homebuilt

MS doesn't filter those groups, MS just doesn't carry them on their NNTP
servers. Not carrying a group is different that filtering post to a group
which is carried.

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N. Miller

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Dec 17, 2008, 5:13:42 AM12/17/08

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:56:39 -1000, Randem wrote:

> Sometime my posts are not reconized by the newsserver and even though the
> posts go out the do not appear in the newsgroup. I have a copy of the post
> in my outbox so I know they did go out, so where did they go????

On rare occasions, articles I have posted have failed to propagate.
Sufficiently rare occurrence that I have never bothered to investigate.

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Dec 17, 2008, 8:05:43 AM12/17/08

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Randem wrote:
> Sometime my posts are not reconized by the newsserver and even though
> the posts go out the do not appear in the newsgroup. I have a copy of
> the post in my outbox so I know they did go out, so where did they
> go????

> I am using Outlook Express 6.0.2900.5512 to post the messages.

Why do you care?

Daave

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Dec 17, 2008, 9:11:33 AM12/17/08

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N. Miller wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:12:10 -0500, Daave wrote:
>
>> Apparently, MS also filters posts containing names of legit
>> newsgroups, including:
>>
>> alt . comp . hardware . pc-homebuilt
>
> MS doesn't filter those groups, MS just doesn't carry them on their
> NNTP servers. Not carrying a group is different that filtering post
> to a group which is carried.

I didn't say that MS filtered any groups. I said that it filters *posts*
containing text, such as the names of certain newsgroups.

Tom [Pepper] Willett

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Dec 17, 2008, 9:41:14 AM12/17/08

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: I didn't say that MS filtered any groups. I said that it filters *posts*

: containing text, such as the names of certain newsgroups.

:
And, where do you get that information?

:

Terry R.

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Dec 17, 2008, 10:31:27 AM12/17/08

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The date and time was Tue Dec 16 2008 22:16:04 GMT-0800 (Pacific
Standard Time), and on a whim, Randem pounded out on the keyboard:

> Of course... The missing ones...
>

... If you don't want help, that's a good answer.

Randem

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Stop being an idiot...

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"Tom [Pepper] Willett" <t...@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote in message
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From personal experience. For instance, suppose I wanted to direct you
to the following newsgroup:

alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt

we both would have to avoid using using the MS news server in order for
you to see my post. If you can see this post, it is not via the MS news
server, is it?

Daave

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>
>

See:

VOidnTrcYpuXw9TU...@cavtel.net

or

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/b88207bf773d14c2?hl=en

Tom [Pepper] Willett

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Dec 17, 2008, 3:24:59 PM12/17/08

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Good. Glad to see they're doing that, finally.

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:
:

Daave

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Dec 17, 2008, 3:41:22 PM12/17/08

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Why?

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N. Miller

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Dec 18, 2008, 1:47:02 PM12/18/08

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> N. Miller wrote:

Ah. Sorry about that. As I said, I've only have some rare posts fail to
propagate; and never felt the urge to investigate. So, you are saying that
including 'alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt' in a post gets filtered.
Interesting ...

N. Miller

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Dec 18, 2008, 1:49:43 PM12/18/08

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On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:11:33 -0500, Daave wrote:

> N. Miller wrote:

Ah. Sorry about that. Interesting ... So trying to post
'alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt' gets a post filtered. I see you posted one
via Giganews that made it to Google Groups; now there is a swamp festering
with spam!

N. Miller

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Dec 18, 2008, 1:59:58 PM12/18/08

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On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:24:59 -0600, Tom [Pepper] Willett wrote:

> Good. Glad to see they're doing that, finally.

Really? Why? FWIW, I posted that group name, as mentioned by Daave three
times:

| Subject: Re: Post being ignored????
| Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
| User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.41
| References: <#D38NJ#XJHA...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl> <eUXutO#XJHA...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl> <uTkICP$XJHA...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> <#naPCi$XJHA...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl> <ZbednU1EXJO44dXU...@cavtel.net> <bqhlivxv...@msnews.aosake.net> <#D3UVEFY...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
| Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:15:33 -0800
| Message-ID: <1c6c37m80hg9w$.d...@msnews.aosake.net>

Was supposed to be picked up by 'msnews.microsoft.com'. Doesn't show up
anywhere.

| Subject: Re: Post being ignored????
| Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
| User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.41
| References: <#D38NJ#XJHA...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl> <eUXutO#XJHA...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl> <uTkICP$XJHA...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> <#naPCi$XJHA...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl> <ZbednU1EXJO44dXU...@cavtel.net> <bqhlivxv...@msnews.aosake.net> <#D3UVEFY...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
| Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:47:02 -0800
| Message-ID: <7edelg0foc61$.d...@msnews.aosake.net>

Was posted via 'news.motzarella.org'. Shows up on 'news.motzarella.org', and
on 'news.sf.sbcglobal.net', but not on 'msnews.microsoft.com'.

| Subject: Re: Post being ignored????
| Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
| User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.41
| References: <#D38NJ#XJHA...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl> <eUXutO#XJHA...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl> <uTkICP$XJHA...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> <#naPCi$XJHA...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl> <ZbednU1EXJO44dXU...@cavtel.net> <bqhlivxv...@msnews.aosake.net> <#D3UVEFY...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
| Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:49:43 -0800
| Message-ID: <1u9l6k651kphl$.d...@msnews.aosake.net>

Was posted via 'news.sf.sbcglobal.net'. Shows up on 'news.motzarella.org',
and on 'news.sf.sbcglobal.net', but not on 'msnews.microsoft.com'.

What really surprises me is that they haven't filtered my articles on
General Principles, considering the 'Organization:' header line I use. ;)