Have proof MS removes restore points!!!!
Jack
I have activated it and set the INITIAL restore point and put a NAME on it..
The next day I set the second restore point after installing modem drivers.
Since then I DID NOT install any additional software except regular Windows
updates Microsoft sent to my computer.
Yesterday my Windows become very sluggish so today I have decided to restore
my Windows to the earlier date.
And guess what?
There are not ANY restore points available except today's set at 12:21:12
AM.
Interesting time, isn't it? All ones and two's and I did not set it.
What has happened to my restore points?
Where is the one (first one) with the name put on it?
I have enough disk space 160GB free and I did not install any software
except Windows updates.
It is proof that something which came with the updates removed my restore
points.
Why Microsoft is doing that to the legitimate Windows users?
I am now stuck with the slugish Windows and not the way to restore back.
Your help is appreciated,
Jack
proteanthread
your disk quota for restore points may have been maxed out
Curt Christianson
this. Think about it, MS would have no vested interest in this type of
behavior.
We are here to help, but won't assign blame without further info. (And if
MS were to blame, I'll be the first to shout about it).
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Jack
No other party software installed since the restoration points (2 points)
established!!!
Only regular, automatic Windows updates!!!
Jack
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Jack
The default setting is 12% and that is max what Windows sets for the disk
space to use!
In my case 12% = 19827 MB
Are you saying that's not enough?
Jack
"proteanthread" <rt...@rtdos.com> wrote in message
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Shenan Stanley
Microsoft did not do anything.
Your configuration or a problem with your system may have.
You have proof of nothing. heh
What you should do is (1) learn to utilize the limited features of system
restore and properly configure it and (2) realize that system restore is a
poor substitute (not even a substitute - let's call it a poor additive) to
your regular backups. If you want a copy of your system as it is at a given
point in time - you will be utilizing a backup scheme or you are destined to
fail.
Make sure you are giving your system restore plenty of space if you plan on
using it often and want a long time to restore to...
And never - ever - depend on it for anything. Depend on your own scheduled
and periodically tested backup system.
The system restore feature is only a useful feature if you keep it
maintained and use it to your advantage. Remember that the system
restore pretty much tells you in the name what it protects which is
'system' files. Your documents, your pictures, your stuff is NOT
system files - so you should also look into some backup solution.
Whenever you think about it (after doing a once-over on your machine
once a month or so would be optimal) - clear out your System Restore
and create a manual restoration point.
'Why?'
Too many times have I seen the system restore files go corrupt or get
a virus in them, meaning you could not or did not want to restore from
them. By clearing it out periodically you help prevent any corruption
from happening and you make sure you have at least one good "snapshot".
(*This, of course, will erase any previous restore point you have.*)
- Turn off System Restore.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310405
- Reboot the Computer.
- Review the first bullet to turn on System Restore
- Make a Manual Restoration Point.
http://snipurl.com/68nx
That covers your system files, but doesn't do anything for the files
that you are REALLY worried about - yours! For that you need to look
into backups. You can either manually copy your important files, folders,
documents, spreadsheets, emails, contacts, pictures, drawings and so on
to an external location (CD/DVD - any disk of some sort, etc) or you can
use the backup tool that comes with Windows XP:
How To Use Backup to Back Up Files and Folders on Your Computer
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308422
Yes - you still need some sort of external media to store the results
on, but you could schedule the backup to occur when you are not around,
then burn the resultant data onto CD or DVD or something when you are
(while you do other things!)
Another option that seems to still be going strong:
Cobian Backup
http://www.educ.umu.se/~cobian/cobianbackup.htm
A lot of people have wondered about how to completely backup their system
so that they would not have to go through the trouble of a reinstall..
I'm going to voice my opinion here and say that it would be worthless to
do for MOST people. Unless you plan on periodically updating the image
backup of your system (remaking it) - then by the time you use it
(something goes wrong) - it will be so outdated as to be more trouble than
performing a full install of the operating system and all applications.
Having said my part against it, you can clone/backup your hard drive
completely using many methods - by far the simplest are using disk cloning
applications:
Symantec/Norton Ghost
http://snipurl.com/13e00
Acronis True Image
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/
BootIt™ NG
http://terabyteunlimited.com/bootitng.html
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MS-MVP
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Shenan Stanley
> I think I showed the proof.
>
> No other party software installed since the restoration points (2
> points) established!!!
>
> Only regular, automatic Windows updates!!!
Read my response...
You showed proof of nothing - only possibilities... The most likely of which
is a lack of understanding and proper configuration on your part. ;-)
You are depending on something you hjave little control over and that
periodically makes its own snapshots as well as has been known to be flakey
as well as stores the snapshot on the same drive as your system and does not
backup your personal files at all. It's a horrible plan - not to mention
that if you run low on space - it can even suspend itself and erase your
restoration points - it can even do that if you do not grant it enough space
on your system drive.... heh
Shenan Stanley
> 2 weeks ago I have installed Windows XP Home edition.
> I have activated it and set the INITIAL restore point and put a
> NAME on it.. The next day I set the second restore point after
> installing modem drivers. Since then I DID NOT install any
> additional software except regular Windows updates Microsoft sent
> to my computer. Yesterday my Windows become very sluggish so today I have
> decided
> to restore my Windows to the earlier date.
> And guess what?
> There are not ANY restore points available except today's set at
> 12:21:12 AM.
> Interesting time, isn't it? All ones and two's and I did not set it.
>
> What has happened to my restore points?
> Where is the one (first one) with the name put on it?
>
> I have enough disk space 160GB free and I did not install any
> software except Windows updates.
> It is proof that something which came with the updates removed my
> restore points.
> Why Microsoft is doing that to the legitimate Windows users?
> I am now stuck with the slugish Windows and not the way to restore
> back.
> Your help is appreciated,
proteanthread wrote:
> your disk quota for restore points may have been maxed out
Jack wrote:
> I do not understand what you mean.
>
> The default setting is 12% and that is max what Windows sets for
> the disk space to use!
>
> In my case 12% = 19827 MB
> Are you saying that's not enough?
1) Did you leave that setting alone?
2) Do you have that much free space on the partition (system partition -
usually C:\)?
'Why?'
Cobian Backup
http://www.educ.umu.se/~cobian/cobianbackup.htm
Symantec/Norton Ghost
http://snipurl.com/13e00
BootIt™ NG
http://terabyteunlimited.com/bootitng.html
Really want to troubleshoot the feature and learn to utilize it as intended?
(using it sparingly and carefully...)
Troubleshoot System Restore “Restore Point Failures” in Windows XP
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srfail.html
How to troubleshoot the System Restore tool in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302796
Good Luck...
Jack
First of all I am the experienced Windows user and a software developer.
Secondly, I repeat:
1.
brand new Windows (clean install)
2.
all programs installed prior to establishing a restore point.
3.
Not one but 2 restore points created: one with the name (name) and one with
the name (date) set by Windows.
4.
Only Windows updates allowed to install
5.
Restore limits set to max
6.
Huge hard drive free space
10 days later I cannot use Restore for the lack of restoring points!!!!
The only one restore point Windows offer is the point created today at
12:21:12 AM I did not set it up
I do not have any viruses, trojans or other worms.!
Jack
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> BootItT NG
Curt Christianson
This is *not* a standardized post. What the others posted are entirely
appropriate.
If you do not like the answers here, feel free to go elsewhere. I would
rather you don't, as we might all learn something as to what may be causing
this problem.
As I said in my previous post, and I re-iterate, what would MS have to gain
by this behavior? Please don't say an upgrade to Vista, or you will lose
*all* credibility.
BTW, I have a fresh install of about a month ago, and no problemo.
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"Jack" <replyto@newsgroup> wrote in message
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Jack
I need to restore my system files NOT the data.
2.
My first restore point ant the second one I have created MANUALLY.
Jack
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> BootItT NG
Rock
The facts presented prove only one thing, that the restore points are gone.
They don't prove what the cause was. Had you checked the restore points
right before an update, then did the update, then checked and found them
missing, that would be better proof.
On a separate note I have never had restore points deleted by a windows
update, so _if_ that was the cause in your case for whatever reason, it
certainly is not system wide.
See Bert Kinney's System Restore page for info on keeping it healthy.
http://bertk.mvps.org/index.html
--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
"Yesterday my Windows become very sluggish..."
Determine why this happened and you may determine why your restore
points are gone.
Your restore points missing does not prove anything other than they
are missing.
If they were lost because of Windows Updates, it is an anomaly and
probably indicative of another problem which brings us back to why is
the computer sluggish?
Exactly when did it start being sluggish?
What was the last thing dome with the computer before this started?
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"Jack" <replyto@newsgroup> wrote in message
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Uncle Grumpy
>Why Microsoft is doing that to the legitimate Windows users?
I suppose all the millions of users who don't have your problem are
"illegitimate" Windows users, then... huh?
Uncle Grumpy
>I think I showed the proof.
Only a moron would call that "proof".
You're obviously a moron.
Uncle Grumpy
>First of all I am the experienced Windows user and a software developer.
That doesn't mean that you're not a moron.
Uncle Grumpy
>BTW, I have a fresh install of about a month ago, and no problemo.
The dickhead has probably meddled with his running services and messed
something up.
I've been monitoring this group since late 2001... he's the first to
"prove" that MS is screwing its "legitimate" XP users.
Shenan Stanley
> 2 weeks ago I have installed Windows XP Home edition.
> I have activated it and set the INITIAL restore point and put a
> NAME on it.. The next day I set the second restore point after
> installing modem drivers. Since then I DID NOT install any
> additional software except regular Windows updates Microsoft sent
> to my computer. Yesterday my Windows become very sluggish so today I have
> decided
> to restore my Windows to the earlier date.
> And guess what?
> There are not ANY restore points available except today's set at
> 12:21:12 AM.
> Interesting time, isn't it? All ones and two's and I did not set it.
>
> What has happened to my restore points?
> Where is the one (first one) with the name put on it?
>
> I have enough disk space 160GB free and I did not install any
> software except Windows updates.
> It is proof that something which came with the updates removed my
> restore points.
> Why Microsoft is doing that to the legitimate Windows users?
> I am now stuck with the slugish Windows and not the way to restore
> back.
> BootIt™ NG
> http://terabyteunlimited.com/bootitng.html
>
> Really want to troubleshoot the feature and learn to utilize it as
> intended? (using it sparingly and carefully...)
>
> Troubleshoot System Restore “Restore Point Failures” in Windows XP
> http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srfail.html
>
> How to troubleshoot the System Restore tool in Windows XP
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302796
Jack wrote:
> You are not listening and you are standarize your response to no
> good.
>
> First of all I am the experienced Windows user and a software
> developer. Secondly, I repeat:
>
> 1. brand new Windows (clean install)
> 2. all programs installed prior to establishing a restore point.
> 3. Not one but 2 restore points created: one with the name
> (name) and one with the name (date) set by Windows.
> 4. Only Windows updates allowed to install
> 5. Restore limits set to max
> 6. Huge hard drive free space
>
> 10 days later I cannot use Restore for the lack of restoring
> points!!!!
>
> The only one restore point Windows offer is the point created today
> at 12:21:12 AM I did not set it up
>
> I do not have any viruses, trojans or other worms.!
You are an 'experienced Windows user and a software developer' and the first
thing you say is that Microsoft is erasing your restore points AFTER you
state that your system has become sluggish... Not to mention you state that
10 days (!) had passed since you made the original restore points... And
then you seem shocked that a restore point was made at 12:21AM without your
knowledge (your surprise shocks me - as System Restore DOES make restore
points on its own periodically.)
1) Did you ever go back to check your named (personally named or otherwise)
restore points BEFORE the 10th day - before 'something' made your machine
sluggish?
2) How many days had passed between you installing the modem drivers and
installing the Windows patches? Or do you have fully automatic updates
enabled and have had it that way always?
3) This 'huge amount of free space' - is it actually on your system
partition? C:\ usually? Or do you have more than one partition?
4) If you open up your Control Panel --> Add or Remove Programs and make
sure the Show Updates box is checked - when was the last Windows Update
installed?
My trouble with your conclusion is the timeframe and lack of
information/datapoints between. There is no logical tie. You don't even
know 'what' made your machine sluggish 10 days after you did anything to it.
It does not matter that you have 'huge hard drive free space' if that huge
amount of space is not available on the system drive itself (C:\ in most
cases) as the system restore puts it on the same drive it is set to
'monitor'. If you were setup to use Automatic Updates the whole time - then
you had had the latest updates before your 10 days started - since they are
released every second Tuesday of each month.
As I have said, you are relying on System Restore - which if you read what I
wrote to you several times in this thread for emphasis, System Restore is
not something you should soley rely on. Your last sentence of your original
post seems to point to it being your ONLY restoration method. (Your words,
"I am now stuck with the slugish Windows and not the way to restore back.")
You may not care about your files (as is evident by another response in this
thread I will quote now:)
Jack wrote:
> 1. I need to restore my system files NOT the data.
<snip>
But if you followed the proper backup procedure you would know that one of
the things you CAN backup is the 'system state'. If you include that in
your periodic backup schedule along with your own files (although, again -
you may not care about your files on this particular system) then you would
be using System Restore as a first line of defense (of which you have little
control over) and your own backups as the second line of defense (which you
control completely.) It's that simple.
As for proof - you have proven nothing. You let 10 days lapse without
datapoints and the first time you even check on the restore points is when
your system suddenly seems sluggish. You cannot tell us why your system
became sluggish. You can say you installed nothing except windows updates
(which - if set to fully automatic - happened before any of this anyway) -
but you not installing anything and something not getting installed are two
different things.
In order to prove something you need to watch it much more carefully. You
would have had to watched the system restore point creation daily or more
often. You would have had to make note of the time they actually
disappeared. At this point - all you *may* have proof of is that the
restore points you want no longer exist. You have as much idea about what
happened to them as you have about why your system suddenly became sluggish.
If you are an 'experienced windows user' then you should know not to rely on
one backup - heck - if you are an experienced computer user - you should
know this. My suggestion - call this a lesson learned and start making your
own system state backups each night. That way you set it up - you control
it. If you have 'automatic updates' turned on - turn them off and either
manually visit http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ the second tuesday of
each month or change the update settings to notify you only and give
yourself back control. That way - you are responsible and you know what
happens to your system because you are actually watching it.
PA Bear
What anti-virus/internet security application are you running? cf.
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/symantecdoc1.html
Also see http://bertk.mvps.org/html/missingrps.html
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MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org
Bert Kinney
There are several things that can cause this to happen. Take a look at the
following page for some troubleshooting steps.
Troubleshooting missing restore points:
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/missingrps.html
Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org
Bert Kinney
With large drives/partitions 12% is to much. I would suggest setting down
closer to 1GB.
Here are some tips on adjusting disk space usage and keeping System Restore
healthy:
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/healthy.html#AdjustDiskSpace
Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org
Bert Kinney
Check to see if there are drives/partitions other than the one Windows is
installed on being monitored. If there are set System Restore to only
monitor the partition Windows is installed on.
Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org
Peter Foldes
Are you dual booting by any chance?
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mikeyhsd
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PA Bear
Bert Kinney
Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org
Jack
Why shouldn't I trust Microsoft?
Jack
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Jupiter Jones [MVP]
Like a lot of other settings, something had to be set as the default.
It has nothing to do with trust and more with to do with customizing
to better fit your own situation.
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Jack
But I do not understand what can be wrong with too big disk space allocated
for restore???
Beats me.
Jack
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Jack
I have dual boot with Vista installed on another harddrive (not partition).
Can you elaborate more on that, please?
Jack
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Harry Ohrn
though. Anyway you want to know what to do to possibly fix the sluggishness.
First backup important data. Do a thorough scan for virus and spyware. You
may also run the CHKDSK tool with the /r switch (
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315265 ) Another thing to do is download the
hard drive diagnostic tool from your hard drive manufacturer's site and run
it to determine whether or not the hard drive is faulty. If the drive is
faulty you often see data loss occurring which might account for the loss of
the Restore Points.
Once your important data is backed up to a safe location do a Repair Install
( see How to Run a Repair Installation
http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/repair_xp.htm )
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www.webtree.ca/windowsxp
Jack
I have posted that question in another newsgroup (programming) but of course
nobody knows.
If that is a clue please what you think.
That post reads:
================
Hello,
I have installed (clean install) Windows XP Home on my Pentium
4, 3.2 GHz CPU
My app execution was quite sluggish and by debugging it I have found that:
Shell_NotifyIcon NIM_DELETE, nid
takes 4 seconds to complete!!!!
Start = Timer
Shell_NotifyIcon NIM_DELETE, nid
Debug.Print Int(Timer - Start) >>> prints 4 seconds!!!!!
Tracing futher I have found that:
Shell_NotifyIcon NIM_ADD, nid
takes 2 seconds to complete!
Start = Timer
Shell_NotifyIcon NIM_ADD, nid
Debug.Print Int(Timer - Start)>>> prints 2 seconds!!!!!
What can cause that? Some Windows security settings?
I did not have that problem when working with my code in my old Windows XP
PRO.
Your comments appreciated,
Jack
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Shenan Stanley
> 2 weeks ago I have installed Windows XP Home edition.
> I have activated it and set the INITIAL restore point and put a
> NAME on it..
>
> The next day I set the second restore point after installing modem
> drivers.
>
> Since then I DID NOT install any additional software except
> regular Windows updates Microsoft sent to my computer.
>
> Yesterday my Windows become very sluggish so today I have decided
> to restore my Windows to the earlier date.
> And guess what?
> There are not ANY restore points available except today's set at
> 12:21:12 AM.
>
> Interesting time, isn't it? All ones and two's and I did not set
> it.
> What has happened to my restore points?
> Where is the one (first one) with the name put on it?
>
> I have enough disk space 160GB free and I did not install any
> software except Windows updates.
>
> It is proof that something which came with the updates removed my
> restore points.
>
> Why Microsoft is doing that to the legitimate Windows users?
> I am now stuck with the slugish Windows and not the way to
> restore back.
Harry Ohrn wrote
> Your system restore points are now gone. XP will begin creating
> new points though. Anyway you want to know what to do to possibly
> fix the sluggishness. First backup important data. Do a thorough scan for
> virus and spyware. You may also run the CHKDSK tool with
> the /r switch ( http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315265 ) Another
> thing to do is download the hard drive diagnostic tool from your
> hard drive manufacturer's site and run it to determine whether or
> not the hard drive is faulty. If the drive is faulty you often see
> data loss occurring which might account for the loss of the
> Restore Points.
> Once your important data is backed up to a safe location do a
> Repair Install ( see How to Run a Repair Installation
> http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/repair_xp.htm )
Was this reply mis-posted and supposed to be elsewhere?
Or are you attempting to point out what you meant in your OP by 'sluggish'?
Your best way to see if your test is accurate is a clean install of nothing
but Windows XP Home and patches and run your script on it. Virtual machine,
dual boot, image the machine and install just Windows XP Home Edition and
patch it - whatever.
Jack
And yes, that is the "sluginess" I am referring to.
When executing programs (not only my own) it takes a while until the GUI
appears!
The same is on exiting the programs. It takes too long.
By using my code I have traced that problem to the API execution which is
directly related to the system file.
I am sure that it started after loading some updates and that is the reason
I wanted to use my restoration ponts which were gone!.
I know how to restore my system. I have created image of my drive after
fresh install and I can revert to that at any moment.
But before doing that I started this thread to find out more what was the
cause for my restoring points to disappear!
Sometimes to stir the pot you need a stronger entry like "Have proof..." in
my case, but there are some boneheads in this group (vide Uncle Grumpy) who
do not understand that.
Thanks for staying with me,
Jack
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Jim
"Jack" <replyto@newsgroup> wrote in message
>I understand that.
> But I do not understand what can be wrong with too big disk space
> allocated for restore???
> Beats me.
> Jack
something else.
Jim
Bert Kinney
Because thing change! When XP was released such large drives were not common
at all and 12% was probably a good starting point. It has been suggested
that having to much disk space set aside for restore point can cause restore
point corruption. But more important is that using restore points more than
a week or two can sometimes cause more problems than it solves. Any
application installed after the restore point you are reverting to may not
function. What happens is, System Restore only removes monitored files for
the installed applications and the remaining files are left behind. This can
cause the application not to function. And in some cases, can also cause the
uninstall and reinstall process of the partially removed application to
fail. It is recommended to uninstall any applications that were installed
after the restore point you will be restoring to. The registry will also be
reverted to the date of the restore point being used.
Bert Kinney
As started in a previous post, it has been suggested that have a large
amount of disk space set aside for restore point may cause restore point
corruption.
Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org
Bert Kinney
Weather Vista is installed on another hard drive doesn't matter. It's still
installed on a partition and if XP can see the Vista partition all restore
point and shadow copies will be deleted when booting to XP. The following
page will help explain the cause.
Dual Booting Windows Vista & Windows XP:
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/dualboot.html
Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org
Jack
How do you know that?
Can I read more about it somewhere?
Thanks,
Jack
"Peter Foldes" <ok...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Ken Blake, MVP
> 12% is a default value.
> Why shouldn't I trust Microsoft?
You may trust whomever you want, but Bert's advise is excellent. Let me
explain that the default was created for the average user, and created at a
time when hard drives were typically much smaller than they are today.
If you try to use System Restore to go back more than a week or two, you
will almost certainly create all
kind of out-of-synch conditions, and make the situation *worse*, not better.
A week or two is about the longest time you can effectively go back.
For that reason, the default 12% of the drive that Windows uses for SR is
way too much for almost everyone, and should be lowered to give you at most
two weeks.
But your choice, of course. If you want to stick with 12%, be my guest.
--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
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Jack
I read that page now. It explains well that problem.
So, should that be classified as one more bug MS have not foreseen?
There are lots of people, specially software developers like myself who use
the dual boot.
Lets hope, Microsoft will fix that better sooner than later!
Jack
P.S.
BTW, It means I was right blaming Microsoft for my procurement
Now, if I know what causes that slugginess in my Windows.......
J
"Bert Kinney" <be...@NSmvps.org> wrote in message
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Bert Kinney
This issue of dual booting and restore point loss came up in beta testing
where it was bugged. Do to back porting issues there is no current plan to
fix this. The following blog will explain further.
How restore points and other recovery features in Windows Vista are affected
when you dual-boot with Windows XP:
https://blogs.technet.com/filecab/archive/2006/07/14/441829.aspx
Jack
But both of them talk about loosing restore points in Vista!!!
I lost my points in XP!
It is not the same, or is it?
Jack
"Bert Kinney" <be...@NSmvps.org> wrote in message
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Jack
restore points?
Jack
"Bert Kinney" <be...@NSmvps.org> wrote in message
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Bert Kinney
Bert Kinney
Yes it is possible, but for another reason. If you are booted into Vista and
then access a partition, say a data partition, by that System Restore in XP,
any changes made will cause the deletion all XP's restore points. What
happens is when a change is made to monitored files or folder on an XP
partition that XP cannot track because XP is not running, an inconstancy is
detected between the System Restore logs and changes made to the file being
monitored. In this case when XP is booted the inconstancy is found and is
seen as corruption, and all restore points are deleted at that point. Are
there any shared partitions being monitored XP?
Mike G
just checked my restore points, there were 14 so far in the month of March.
I can only hope they are valid as I did not do a restore to test. My start
up/shut down time is normal as I try to do that at least once a week,
otherwise I Hibernate @ night.
Rock
> Thank you, Bert.
> I read that page now. It explains well that problem.
> So, should that be classified as one more bug MS have not foreseen?
> There are lots of people, specially software developers like myself who
> use the dual boot.
> Lets hope, Microsoft will fix that better sooner than later!
> Jack
>
> P.S.
> BTW, It means I was right blaming Microsoft for my procurement
> Now, if I know what causes that slugginess in my Windows.......
> "Bert Kinney" <be...@NSmvps.org> wrote
>> Hi Jack,
>>
>> Weather Vista is installed on another hard drive doesn't matter. It's
>> still installed on a partition and if XP can see the Vista partition all
>> restore point and shadow copies will be deleted when booting to XP. The
>> following page will help explain the cause.
>>
>> Dual Booting Windows Vista & Windows XP:
>> http://bertk.mvps.org/html/dualboot.html
>> Jack wrote:
>>> Yes,
>>> I have dual boot with Vista installed on another harddrive (not
>>> partition).
>>>
>>> Can you elaborate more on that, please?
>>> Jack
>>> "Peter Foldes" <ok...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> Jack
>>>
>>> Are you dual booting by any chance?
It is not a bug per se and will not be fixed. The reason is that
volsnap.sys which handles restore points in XP does not understand the Vista
restore points, so when XP is booted it sees the restore points Vista
created, thinks they are damaged and deletes them to protect the system.
This is an issue with XP's volsnap.sys. It would take extensive reworking
to change this in XP and MS said during Beta they wouldn't be doing it.
This does not explain why restore points were lost in XP. I have XP and
Vista in a multi-boot configuration and have never lost restore points in XP
booting between the two systems, though of course the Vista restore points
are lost. I image the system weekly for a full image and nightly with a
differential image so this problem is mitigated.
--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]
Bert Kinney
Do a test to confirm.
Create a new restore point named TEST.
Create a new shortcut on the desktop and point it to My Computer or any
other file of your choice and name it TEST.
Now restore to the Test restore point.
The system will now reboot, and you will receive a message if the restore
was successful, and the Test shortcut on the desktop will be gone.
Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
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PA Bear
Peter Foldes wrote:
> Jack
>
> Are you dual booting by any chance?
>
>
> "Jack" <replyto@newsgroup> wrote in message
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>> 2 weeks ago I have installed Windows XP Home edition.
>> I have activated it and set the INITIAL restore point and put a NAME on
>> it.. The next day I set the second restore point after installing modem
>> drivers. Since then I DID NOT install any additional software except
>> regular Windows updates Microsoft sent to my computer.
>> Yesterday my Windows become very sluggish so today I have decided to
>> restore my Windows to the earlier date.
>> And guess what?
>> There are not ANY restore points available except today's set at 12:21:12
>> AM.