computer getting slow for not the usual reasons
paulmars
Cookies and temp files deleted.
After two weeks, I finally gave up and zeroed the entire harddrve and
reinstalled xp and security apps. The condition re-appeared.
Sometimes task mgr cpu usage is very high, other times it is quite low. I
invistigated all running processes in task mgr and nothing that does not
belong is there.
Only three items in msconfig Startup and they are all legitimate and have
been there forever.
I downloaded 3 different memory testers, two if which ran all night
(different nights) and found no problems.
Computer acts like I removed 1/2 the ram. It just gets too busy much faster
then previously. It did for about two weeks before I zeroed the HDD and it
is still like that after reinstall xp.
I totally give up...what could it be. I had installed no new programs.
A few hours ago, I right clicked on the desktop to make a new dir and the
context menu poped up and I choose new folder and the hour glass appeared
and I waited over 5 minutes for it to make the new folder. Nothing else was
opened. This is an extreme example of what I deal with, but u get the idea.
Sometimes when it is starting to get slow, I will open task mgr or something
else, and it will not open, then maybe 15 minutes later it will open. Or I
will try and close an app and it wont, but maybe 1,2,5,12 minutes later it
will close.
As long as I keep just a few things open, it usually does not get too slow,
but sometimes I am not that lucky.
One thing that I can not do anymore at all is upload videos to youtube. It
starts ok, but the upload gets slower and slower and finally freezes.
Nothing else is frozen, just the upload percent. This is how I first noticed
this condition on my last xp install and it continues today. Even closing
all unneeded apps and starting the upload and leaving the computer will not
get the entire file uploaded. However, from what I said above, this is not
the only thing to causes my system to slowdown and sometimes freeze. Very
rarely does the entire computer freeze, because I can usually since the
slowness getting intolerable and I close somethings.
HELP!
PS: I wrote this is notepad and saved it to desktop. When I opened it, it
took 12 seconds to open in notepad.
Uncle Grumpy
>I totally give up...what could it be. I had installed no new programs.
You've tested your memory... found nothing. Your CPU might be dying.
On a wild-assed-guess: is the CPU fan operating properly?
SingaporeWebDesign
Any task manager process taking up 100% CPU?
Did you install all the drivers (especially chipset and gfx)?
I suspect that your PC may be overheating, and thus the processor is
throttling itself.
Check the temperature using your BIOS setup and let us know how it goes.
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http://www.bootstrike.com/Webdesign/
Singapore Web Hosting
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paulmars
below the max rating.
Can it die without over heating? Would a dieing cpu be likely to slow down
the system, especially (usually) as it gets loaded down with more tasks?
Although the youtube always failing is not dependant on that.
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Rock
In Device Manager double click the IDE ATA channel and look on the Advanced
Settings tab. Is it in PIO or DMA mode?
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paulmars
that task mgr did not open it was at 100%. I have never seen a single
process over 36,xxxk. On a few occasions when it was slowing to a crawl, I
looked and saw cpu usage under 10%
The system is set up to shut down if cpu temp gets to a preset temp which is
considerably below the max listed. But maybe you are on to something. I see
both cpu fans working now and I will look at BIOS temp when running low load
and when it gets busy. Maybe I can find a free windows temp monitor so I can
watch as I upload a video. Let me know if u know of any free safe apps to
use.
yes all board drivers were installed after the xp reinstall.
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Gerry Cornell
Paul
Have you looked in the system and application logs for Warning and
Error Reports in Event Viewer for the last boot. These can be
difficult to interpret so post copies here. Disregard Information
Reports.
You can access Event Viewer by selecting Start, Control Panel,
Administrative Tools, and Event Viewer. When researching the
meaning of the error, information regarding Event ID, Source and
Description are important.
HOW TO: View and Manage Event Logs in Event Viewer in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308427/en-us
Part of the Description of the error will include a link, which you
should double click for further information. You can copy using
copy and paste. Often the link will, however, say there is no
further information. http://go.microsoft.com/fw.link/events.asp
(Please note the hyperlink above is for illustration purposes only)
A tip for posting copies of Error Reports! Run Event Viewer and
double click on the error you want to copy. In the window, which
appears is a button resembling two pages. Click the button and
close Event Viewer. Now start your message (email) and do a paste
into the body of the message. Make sure this is the first paste
after exiting from Event Viewer.
Another thought:
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/slowrightclick.htm
Malware -notwithstanding what you say.
Install and run HijackThis:
Download HijackThis (Freeware)
http://tomcoyote.com/hjt/
Finally run HijackThis and post the HijackThis log to the HijackThis
forum here:
http://aumha.net/
You will need to register with Aumha to be able to post.
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
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Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
paulmars
paulmars
Most cases the right click menu appears ok, including many examples on at
page.
I am registered at aumba and have used hijackthis, but it really did not
seem relevant here, especially since reinstall had the same condition.
Event logs seem the most likely, since there are errors and warnings. I will
check out "HOW TO: View and Manage Event Logs", however it looks like it
will need my undivided attention, I will ASAP, but not right now. Thanks.
Just now I looked and I see error and warnings everyday and they are
different. I should look into all of them? That is overwhelming.
Paul
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paulmars
Application error said no user action needed.
System errors did not all have this explanation, but all had this user
action:
Explanation
This problem is typically caused by a failing cable that connects the
drive to the computer.
User Action
Replace the cable.
I will do such right now...
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Tim Judd
I had a very similar problem years and years ago. I chalked it up to a
failing HDD.
I found things excessively slow too! What floored me what that I
couldn't burn a CD at 1x speed (150KBytes/sec) -- I would get buffer
underruns.
The HDD just wasn't able to accurately read data anymore.
Maybe this is what's happening to you!
Good luck, HTH.
Gerry Cornell
With cables check connections first.
Normally Reports from a single boot / session are sufficent but you
should look back to the previous session to see if problems in the
current session have occurred previously. Some errors occur and after
you have restarted never appear again.
Post complete copies here as it is difficult to offer further help
without this level of feedback. Interpretation of error reports is not
just a matter of reading what they say. Microsoft have developed the
elaborate system of reporting but the interpretation of these reports
by Microsoft lags far behind. I am not sure I agree with some where it
says "no user action needed"!
A tip for posting copies of Error Reports! Run Event Viewer and double
click on the error you want to copy. In the window, which appears is a
button resembling two pages. Click the button and close Event
Viewer.Now start your message (email) and do a paste into the body of
the message. Make sure this is the first paste after exiting from
Event Viewer.
--
paulmars
previous days and it was there too.
Explanation
This problem is typically caused by a failing cable that connects the
drive to the computer.
User Action
Replace the cable.
Here is the event properties error with the link mentioned:
Event Type: Error
Event Source: Disk
Event Category: None
Event ID: 11
Date: 2/19/2007
Time: 8:09:28 PM
User: N/A
Computer: PAULMARS
Description:
The driver detected a controller error on \Device\Harddisk0\D.
For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
Data:
0000: 04 00 68 00 01 00 b6 00 ..h...¶.
0008: 00 00 00 00 0b 00 04 c0 .......À
0010: 01 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0018: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0020: 00 6e e4 a2 01 00 00 00 .nä¢....
0028: 0e 09 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0030: ff ff ff ff 03 00 00 00 ÿÿÿÿ....
0038: 40 00 00 8f 02 00 00 00 @.. ....
0040: 00 20 0a 12 80 03 20 40 . ..?. @
0048: 00 00 00 00 0a 00 00 00 ........
0050: 00 00 00 00 e8 d9 a8 81 ....èÙ¨
0058: 00 00 00 00 f0 62 94 81 ....ðb?
0060: 02 00 00 00 37 72 d1 00 ....7rÑ.
0068: 2a 00 00 d1 72 37 00 00 *..Ñr7..
0070: 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ?.......
0078: f0 00 04 00 00 00 00 0b ð.......
0080: 00 00 00 00 08 03 00 00 ........
0088: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
here is the shutdown error that said no user action:
Event Type: Warning
Event Source: Userenv
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1517
Date: 2/20/2007
Time: 3:21:34 AM
User: NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM
Computer: PAULMARS
Description:
Windows saved user PAULMARS\Administrator registry while an application or
service was still using the registry during log off. The memory used by the
user's registry has not been freed. The registry will be unloaded when it is
no longer in use.
This is often caused by services running as a user account, try configuring
the services to run in either the LocalService or NetworkService account.
For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
Here is another:
Event Type: Warning
Event Source: MsiInstaller
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1001
Date: 2/19/2007
Time: 9:26:32 PM
User: PAULMARS\Administrator
Computer: PAULMARS
Description:
Detection of product '{78CC3BAB-DE2A-4FB4-8FBB-E4DADDC26747}', feature
'Complete' failed during request for component
'{4FE9AEF8-7464-49B7-AF0F-85E61456685E}'
For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
Here is another:
Event Type: Warning
Event Source: MsiInstaller
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1004
Date: 2/19/2007
Time: 9:26:32 PM
User: PAULMARS\Administrator
Computer: PAULMARS
Description:
Detection of product '{78CC3BAB-DE2A-4FB4-8FBB-E4DADDC26747}', feature
'Complete', component '{2139AF56-C6EC-4B3E-8CCC-F14D18AEC562}' failed. The
resource 'C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Lavasoft
Ad-Aware SE Personal\' does not exist.
For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
Those are all last night. I have had no errors since replacing the cable.
Let me shut down and see if I get another shutdown error... Nope.
paul
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I will go online and look for a program to monitor temp in xp. Can i test my
HDD?
I decided to install my burning software and I opened a desktop dir that has
its install exes and it took 3 seconds to open and then the file area of the
dir was clear, so I could see thru to the desktop. It stayed like that for
17 seconds before it went white and showed the files. So, I closed it and
went away. A few minutes later I came back and started uploading a video to
youtube and I opened azureus which started downloading a movie. After a few
minutes, I opened that dir on the desktop again. It opened in under 1
second. So, the computer is busier, but this dir opens faster.
I think it is now worse then before the xp reinstall.
WTF?
"paulmars" <pm...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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Rock
> maybe it is my HDD. Of course I forgot to look at my cpu temp during
> reboot. I will go online and look for a program to monitor temp in xp. Can
> i test my HDD?
Download a drive diagnostic utility from the hard drive manufacturer's web
site. That will create a bootable floppy or CD. Boot from that and run the
diagnostics.
--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]
paulmars
paulmars
and it went away.
Daave
> No spyware, adware, malware, virus, etc. Amply free space. Defragged.
> Cookies and temp files deleted.
>
> After two weeks, I finally gave up and zeroed the entire harddrve and
> reinstalled xp and security apps. The condition re-appeared.
>
> Sometimes task mgr cpu usage is very high, other times it is quite
> low. I invistigated all running processes in task mgr and nothing
> that does not belong is there.
>
> Only three items in msconfig Startup and they are all legitimate and
> have been there forever.
Do you recall doing anything at all prior to the sluggishness?
Installing any programs or updates? Upgrading RAM, etc?
If this is a software issue, I would look *thoroughly* into all the
processes you have running. First, run Process Explorer:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/ProcessExplorer.mspx
Another idea is to run HijackThis and post in one of the appropriate
forums for expert feedback:
> I downloaded 3 different memory testers, two if which ran all night
> (different nights) and found no problems.
>
> Computer acts like I removed 1/2 the ram. It just gets too busy much
> faster then previously. It did for about two weeks before I zeroed
> the HDD and it is still like that after reinstall xp.
How much RAM do you have? Is it matched? Is it seated properly? Have you
cleared out all the dust bunnies?
--
Dave
Daave
> I got "Windows - Virtual Memory Minimum Too Low"
> and it went away.
This might mean something. :-)
What is the context of this comment? What are your Virtual Memory
settings?
Speaking of Virtual Memory, here is an excellent resource:
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.php
paulmars
few hours later it popped up that message. All my settings are default.
All is left is my cpu which might be bad. How can I test it to be sure.
Also, when I rebooted the first time after reinstalling xp pro, I got a BOIS
message I had to press F1 to custom set it, or F2 for default. I choose F2.
Later I looked in my mainboard book and it told me to set smart to on, virus
check to on and I also set the cpu shut down temp to below the max rating.
I looked on the net and see all these other BIOS settings that effect the
speed and stability of the OS and I started writing down them all, so I can
check mine...that;s when my system rebooted. I kno next to nothing about
BIOS and do not want to learn the whys and whens. Should I go back to those
sites and check all my settings? What about the "Fail safe" and "optimal"
settings. Those are two settings in my BIOS. Fail Safe says is for most
stable, so I m inclined to press that, but optimal says for the optimal
settings.....WTF????? and I found nothing on the AMI BIOS site.
Also, since this SLOW condition developed before I reinstalled xp, it must
not be the BIOS, but it being possibly set differently then before concerns
me. One thing at a time...I m getting so far behind on my work. I would buy
a new board or cpu, but I need to know for sure what's wrong first.
HELP.
"Daave" <dcwash...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message
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paulmars
reinstalled xp pro only once about 1.5 years ago, until a week ago, when I
did my 3rd install because of the slowness.
No new software. I have checked all startup items and all running processes
in task mgr. Everything is ok.
Sometimes it gets slow then almost nothing is running, but more common is to
get inconsistently slow when I have several things going on at once, but no
more then in the past. I only have 300 meg ram, but it has been fine for 3.5
years.
I tested the ram, tested the HDD. Remember that this condition is why I
zeroed my HDD and reinstalled xp, and when I did, I got this slow problem
back.
is dust really a possible issue? It is dusty in there, but the cpu fans are
mounted to the heatsink and the temp never gets too high.
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Daave
> is dust really a possible issue? It is dusty in there, but the cpu
> fans are mounted to the heatsink and the temp never gets too high.
Dust is very often an issue!
You should use a can of compressed air on your machine. Carefully check
all of the fans, including the one in the PSU.
Also, it wouldn't be a bad idea to use a multimeter to measure voltages.
See:
http://techrepublic.com.com/5102-10586-5566528.html
and
www.ochardware.com/articles/psuvolt/psuvolt.html
Gerry Cornell
Might the problem described in this link apply?
http://riccardo.raneri.it/blog/eng/index.php/2006/04/28/how-to-get-rid-of-locked-avi-bug-in-windows-xp/
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Hope this helps.
Gerry
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Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
paulmars
the reinstall. All my time is trying to figure out what's wrong. I hav had
that condition with video and other files on occasion, and a reboot always
fixes it.
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Gerry Cornell
You could try the suggestion and observe for affect
BTW in one breath you say you have no AVI problems and in the next
breath you describe how you deal with them. Something not quite right
there!
Gerry Cornell
Have these errors stopped or continued to occur?
How many hard drives do your have?
Have you monitored the actual use of the pagefile over a session? Does
use of the pagefile steadily increase or rise and fall back?
You may find it helpful to know exactly how much of your pagefile is
being used. Use page file monitor to observe what is the peak usage.
Start it to run immediately after start-up and look at the log at the
end of the session.The log is Pagefile log.txt. If you right click on
the file in Windows Explorer and select Send to, Desktop (Create
Shortcut). The same applies to XP_PageFileMon.exe. A small utility to
monitor pagefile usage:
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_pagefilemon.htm
Note programs using undo features particularly those associated with
graphics and photo editing require large amounts of memory so if you
use this type of programme check these first observing how the page
usage increases when they start and whether the usage decreases when
you close the programme.
Daave
paulmars wrote:
> Sometimes it gets slow then almost nothing is running, but more
> common is to get inconsistently slow when I have several things going
> on at once, but no more then in the past. I only have 300 meg ram,
> but it has been fine for 3.5 years.
It's entirely possible that your RAM is too low. Not enough memory
(i.e., forcing your PC to over-rely on Virtual Memory) can certainly
produce what you're experiencing. My Windows XP PC at work has only 256
MB, but I only run a handful of low-memory apps at any given time. For
most people, 512 MB is the practical minimum requirement. Double this
amount (or more) if multitasking or running memory-intensive apps.
But 300 MB? And how many sticks and how much are each? Do you have
onboard video?
For now, I'm leaning toward not enough RAM being your main problem.
> I tested the ram, tested the HDD. Remember that this condition is why
> I zeroed my HDD and reinstalled xp, and when I did, I got this slow
> problem back.
I once ran a hard drive manufacturer's diagnostic utility, and the drive
passed with flying colors. Turns out the problem was intermittent and
the drive was indeed slowly dying (the give-away was clicking noises).
Formatting/zero-filling doesn't address the issue...
I know you feel the CPU might be faulty. Although this is possible, it's
relatively rare. I'm sure there are a number of diagnostics. I would
only look into it if nothing else seems to help. I believe there is a
shareware app called Hot CPU Tester, but I have no experience with it.
Perhaps you'd be better posting to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt . But
I still would suspect RAM issues before the CPU.
Other thoughts:
Double- and triple-check connections. Make sure everything, especially
RAM, is seated properly.
Check your temperature. You might find SIW helpful (for this and many
other things):
http://www.gtopala.com
Blow out those dust bunnies!
Update your drivers.
Also, have you tried working in Safe Mode? Although you're limited, you
can still run a number of apps. If you have no problems in Safe Mode,
that's useful information!
Could be the power supply (but I doubt it). Still, for rupture
reference:
http://techrepublic.com.com/5102-10586-5566528.html
www.ochardware.com/articles/psuvolt/psuvolt.html
Have you gone to microsoft.com to research the error reports you
mentioned elsewhere?
Finally, give us all your specs: make/model of PC, motherboard, and CPU,
size of hard drive, amount of free disk space, RAM, Virtual Memory
settings, and anything else you can think of.
I still think it's the memory...
--
Dave
paulmars
reply below that I never have this problem, but I usually do not answer
questions with just a yes or no. On occasion I have had a file that could
not be deleted or moved or renamed. Sometimes it has been a video file (avi,
mpg, etc). I have also had this occasionally with non video files, including
ms word. It happens rarely and I have always presumed that the system has
not let it go, after the application closed. It has happened when the
application crashes or freezes and I force a close with task mgr, although
it has also happened rarely for other unknown reasons. When ever it does
happen a reboot fixes the condition. There was once that I can remember a
long time ago that I needed to go in under safe mode to delete a file that I
could not otherwise delete. I have also had this happen using win 98, win 95
and on computers at work and at home. I once had a friend complain of not
being able to delete a file and safe mode took care of it for him.
My problem is inconsistent slowness that often occurs after a few things are
running at once, but it has gotten worse and sometimes it gets very slow
with almost nothing running.
Is there a reason that you think this might be my fix, despite the symptom
being different?
Paul
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Gerry Cornell
The problem with avi files is something I have only recently become
aware of. I do not fully understand it's implications. It may have a
connection with DEP. It may also have a connection with this Error
Report you posted earlier. I also posted another message to you late
last night, which makes some further suggestions regarding monitoring
memory usage. Look back up the thread.
Event Type: Warning
Event Source: Userenv
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1517
Date: 2/20/2007
Time: 3:21:34 AM
User: NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM
Computer: PAULMARS
Description:
Windows saved user PAULMARS\Administrator registry while an
application or
service was still using the registry during log off. The memory used
by the
user's registry has not been freed. The registry will be unloaded when
it is
no longer in use.
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Gerry
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Problem remains
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but I could not even make this the active window, until I closed most other
things and each app that I closed took between 5 and 10 minutes to close.
They were all open and all was fine and I was watching a google video and
after about 10 minutes it started to loose frames, then the audio started to
stop and start. So, I closed ie and started switching to other open apps and
close them, but switching took minutes and so did closing.
one HDD, 4 partitions. C is 20 gig with 14 gig free. OS is on C. All system
files are on C, except that I keep favs and OE store on D, as I have always
done.
No, I had not monitored it. Here is the file from that exe u mentioned. I
left it running, but did not see it in task mgr.
2/22/2007 7:44:03 AM
Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys
Current Pagefile Usage: 132 MB
Session Peak Usage: 132 MB
Current Pagefile Size: 432 MB
slowdown happens with no graphics and photo editing app opened.
Please note that nothing on my system has changed when this condition
started. And after the reinstall, I have never even installed many existing
apps that I did have.
Paul
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Gerry Cornell
You need to start Pagefilemon as soon as you can after the Desktop
appears and then see how usage varies. A session peak of 132 mb would
not be too bad but you need to monitor it over a period of time. It
would interesting to see what happens when you are running a video and
what happens when you stop the video.
How much RAM memory do you have? What are your virtual memory
settings?
Which of four settings do you have selected? Right click My Computer
icon on Desktopand select Properties, Advanced, Performance Settings,
Visual Effects to see setting options.
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
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started it again now, about 60 seconds after the desktop appeared. So, now I
will run a video, but actually I have not yet install any players since my
last xp reinstall. Let me install VideoLAN and watch one of my videos....
Ok, now I am watching an mpg...
24 minutes into watching that mpg and:
2/22/2007 2:13:05 PM
Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys
Current Pagefile Usage: 18 MB
Session Peak Usage: 18 MB
Current Pagefile Size: 432 MB
At 26 minutes I close the video and:
2/22/2007 2:13:05 PM
Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys
Current Pagefile Usage: 18 MB
Session Peak Usage: 18 MB
Current Pagefile Size: 432 MB
is this monitoring or just a snapshot?
"...but you need to monitor it over a period of time."
"I left it running, but did not see it in task mgr."
288meg ram since june 2003, before that I was running xp with less.
Adjust for best performance. That's what I had before and one of the first
things I checked/set after reinstall. I just double checked and it is still
Adjust for best performance.
"Gerry Cornell" <gc...@tenretnitb.com> wrote in message
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paulmars
I just looked in Event Viewer Application and I see that same error report
several times again since I changed my cable, and I have NOT opened or
viewed or hovered over any avi files.
I see another error in event viewer system that I did not see before, but I
do not see the cable error again. This error says 7:51a and that was shortly
before shutdown and the system was so slow and I was trying to close apps,
but it was getting so slow and apps were taking10 minutes to close and I
think I may have gotten one of those XP application wont close notices for
one of those apps I was trying to close. So, maybe that cause this error?
Or, maybe this was for this reason. I was looking in task mgr and I saw
wdfmgr.exe and I had never seen that before, so I looked it up. The first
three google hits that I looked at said it was a wmedia player 10 file to
monitor bla bla bla and that it cause problems and it a security issue and
can be shutdown, so I did. Then I read some more and 5 google hits said it
was a file installed with wmp 10 and / or xp sp2 and it sounded important
but not critical. So, I decided to reboot and let it restart. I have wmp 9
and I installed sp2 several days ago, and this file was not in task mgr
until last night....strange...I will do I virus / spyware check now.
Event Type: Error
Event Source: Service Control Manager
Event Category: None
Event ID: 7034
Date: 2/22/2007
Time: 7:51:47 AM
User: N/A
Computer: PAULMARS
Description:
The Windows User Mode Driver Framework service terminated unexpectedly. It
has done this 1 time(s).
For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
paul
"Gerry Cornell" <gc...@tenretnitb.com> wrote in message
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paulmars
opened, win explorer, and a small access db that I needed to do some things
in, oh yea OE too. I sent out several Emails too during this time and no
slow down.
Still says:
2/22/2007 2:13:05 PM
Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys
Current Pagefile Usage: 18 MB
Session Peak Usage: 18 MB
Current Pagefile Size: 432 MB
Let me try opening some more stuff...OK, I just started uploading a video to
youtube. Remember that this failing many 10s of times in a row over several
weeks was the precursor to the other slowdown issues. 4% uploaded and
progressing...
"paulmars" <pm...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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Gerry Cornell
Paul
You have posted two copies of the same report ie. the second report
should be 24 minutes later but it has the same time as the first!
2/22/2007 2:13:05 PM
Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys
Current Pagefile Usage: 18 MB
Session Peak Usage: 18 MB
Current Pagefile Size: 432 MB
At 26 minutes I close the video and:
2/22/2007 2:13:05 PM
Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys
Current Pagefile Usage: 18 MB
Session Peak Usage: 18 MB
Current Pagefile Size: 432 MB
288 mb RAM would reckoned by most people to be insufficient RAM for
Windows XP. The normal recommendation is 512 mb.
Try Ctrl+Alt+Delete to select Task Manager and click the Performance
Tab. Under Commit Charge what is the Total, the Limit and the Peak?
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gerry Cornell
Paul
Do you have Windows Media Player version 10 or 11 installed?
Select Start, Control Panel, Administrative Tools, Services. Locate
Windows User Mode Driver Framework service, right click and select
Properties, General and ascertain what startup type is set?
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
paulmars
getting slow, but not too bad yet, but deffinatally worse then it used to be
before all this starrted happening......., but i will let it go for a
while...
...Uploading is getting slower and slower and alt-tabbing thru open apps
takes forever...and an Email I tried to send is held up in the outbox. Web
page links time out trying to open...All these are now normal conditions on
my system as it gets slower and slower.
Its been at 71% for the last two hours. That Email in my outbox is still
there (it never got sent). I cant even open this newsgroup in oe. I closed
the video upload and after about 3 minutes task mgr popped up, ( I do not
remember opening that, I must have hours ago) its says cpu usage 5%.
News group opens, oe sents my Emial in the outbox.
I opened another web site in the already opened ie. I opened yahoo and icq
IMs. Opened avg, updated virus - scan for virus, while updating avg spyware
and things are getting slow again. I used to be able to do this...
p
"paulmars" <pm...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:...
>I have been using the computer for over one hour now with just one web page
>opened, win explorer, and a small access db that I needed to do some things
>in, oh yea OE too. I sent out several Emails too during this time and no
>slow down.
>
> Still says:
> 2/22/2007 2:13:05 PM
> Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys
> Current Pagefile Usage: 18 MB
> Session Peak Usage: 18 MB
> Current Pagefile Size: 432 MB
>
> Let me try opening some more stuff...OK, I just started uploading a video
> to youtube. Remember that this failing many 10s of times in a row over
> several weeks was the precursor to the other slowdown issues. 4% uploaded
> and progressing...
>
>
>
> "paulmars" <pm...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:eljZiyrV...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> "Gerry Cornell" <gc...@tenretnitb.com> wrote in message
>> news:emyQ4Np...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> You need to start Pagefilemon as soon as you can after the Desktop
>>> appears and then see how usage varies. A session peak of 132 mb would
>>> not be too bad but you need to monitor it over a period of time. It
>>> would interesting to see what happens when you are running a video and
>>> what happens when you stop the video.
>>>
>>> How much RAM memory do you have? What are your virtual memory settings?
>>>
>>> Which of four settings do you have selected? Right click My Computer
>>> icon on Desktopand select Properties, Advanced, Performance Settings,
>>> Visual Effects to see setting options.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Gerry
>>> ~~~~
>>> FCA
>>> Stourport, England
>>> Enquire, plan and execute
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>
>>> "paulmars" <pm...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
paulmars
Before my problems started 3 or 4 weeks ago, I could upload a video, edit
another video and watch a third online - all at the same time. And have OE
and both IM opened. Now with all that the upload did show down, but not too
much. If I was doing all that, but instead of watching video online I tried
to watch a video on my HDD it might be chopping, but the audio would be
fine, the upload file would upload not too slowly and the Edit would
complete at a good speed.
No way now!
commit charge
375804
714486
639332
"Gerry Cornell" <gc...@tenretnitb.com> wrote in message
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paulmars
update for it. I did refuse the version 10 upgrade. I just opened it and
confirmed it is v 9.00.00.3349.
the "...framework" is of course set to automatic. xp installed it, I
terminated it, triggering that event viewer error. I decided to let it run
so I left it automatic.
paul
"Gerry Cornell" <gc...@tenretnitb.com> wrote in message
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Gerry Cornell
pagefilemon takes snapshots. You need to run it at the beginning of
the session at then run it again at intervals throughout the sessions.
I do think your is heading towards a diagnosis of insufficient RAM
memory for the activities you are using your computer for!
What is your CPU processor speed?
What is your graphics card make and model?
paulmars
2/23/2007 12:21:20 PM
Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys
Current Pagefile Usage: 213 MB
Session Peak Usage: 499 MB
Current Pagefile Size: 562 MB
2/22/2007 2:13:05 PM
Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys
Current Pagefile Usage: 18 MB
Session Peak Usage: 18 MB
Current Pagefile Size: 432 MB
If I have had enough ram for 3.5 years now and with no new processes all of
a sudden I need more ram???? and over the last week or so my condition has
been getting worse, even though I have not been doing many of the things I
usually do...Does that mean I need even more ram NOW then the extra I needed
a week ago?
Please excuse me for not accepting that I need more to do the things I used
to do 3 weeks ago....also lets not forget that sometimes when almost nothing
is running, clicking on start and navigation to open a new process each menu
that opens might take 5 or 10 seconds. Not being able to send mail when all
I m doing is surfing the web and hav 2 IM apps open. I never had this
condition even before I upped my ram 3.5 years ago...XP was slow then, I
think I had 128Mhz of ram back then.
1.333 ghz
graphics and sound are part of the gigibyte mainboard.
I have been doing what I do not for about a year (uploading vids,
downloading vids, watching vids), and just now it is a problem....And the
problem is there without doing any video processing. All I have to do is
open both IM apps, OE, surf the web and it creeps. Sometimes much less and
it creeps.
paul
"Gerry Cornell" <gc...@tenretnitb.com> wrote in message
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Gerry Cornell
The evidence speaks for itself.
Running Windows XP on a machine needs a minimum of 256 mb but for
most users 512 mb is needed for a satisfactory experience. Few
experienced users will advise differently.
I recommended pagefilemon to you so that you could test for yourself
the extent to which your system is using the pagefile. You have so far
only conducted minimal tests. You will have a better picture once you
have carried out tests over a longer period.
The second result indicates that at some point use of the pagefile
went as high as 499 mb but has since fallen to 213 mb. On a system
with 512 mb ram I would be thinking of adding RAM if readings went
above 100 mb. Running graphics programs, especially if they include
using undo features, require significantly more ram. Videos are
graphics. Photography ( not sure if you are engaged in this activity )
involves graphics and if editing is undertaken the undo feature as
well. These types of activity render 256 mb insufficient.
You can try to reduce reliance on the pagefile by closing programmes
after use. You might also check to see whether any programmes are
loading on startup which might be run on an on demand basis. Also
check whether anti-virus and other programmes carrying full system
scans are scheduled to carry these out at times when you are not
otherwise using the computer.
Which anti-virus programme are you using? Some have a much heavier
footprint than others. A change might help. It need not cost anything.
Another measure you can take which might help is to increase you
maximum pagefile setting by an extra 512 mb.
It would be helpful to know the model number of your motherboard. This
freeware programme is excellent for getting information about your
computer: Everest Home Edition (freeware)
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html
Tip: To copy select Report, Quick Report, Plain Text, highlight
required text, right click and select copy. However, whilst this is
fine for posting small amounts of information into newsgroup messages
longer reports will irritate other newsgroup subscribers. Given your
present problems you may fing copy and pasting not working with this
programme also.
Since 2003 programme updates will have changed system requirements.
The Windows XP SP2 update in 2004 being an obvious example. You will
not be using the same programmes today that you were using a month
ago, let alone 3 years ago. The anti-virus and anti-spyware programmes
in 2007 are much bigger beasties than they were in 2003.
Daave
> Paul
>
> The evidence speaks for itself.
>
> Running Windows XP on a machine needs a minimum of 256 mb but for
> most users 512 mb is needed for a satisfactory experience. Few
> experienced users will advise differently.
I second what Gerry is saying.
> I recommended pagefilemon to you so that you could test for yourself
> the extent to which your system is using the pagefile. You have so far
> only conducted minimal tests. You will have a better picture once you
> have carried out tests over a longer period.
>
> The second result indicates that at some point use of the pagefile
> went as high as 499 mb but has since fallen to 213 mb. On a system
> with 512 mb ram I would be thinking of adding RAM if readings went
> above 100 mb. Running graphics programs, especially if they include
> using undo features, require significantly more ram. Videos are
> graphics. Photography ( not sure if you are engaged in this activity )
> involves graphics and if editing is undertaken the undo feature as
> well. These types of activity render 256 mb insufficient.
Again, agreed. Watching video, especially these days, can be very
taxing, so you need 512 MB of RAM *at the very minimum*.
> You can try to reduce reliance on the pagefile by closing programmes
> after use. You might also check to see whether any programmes are
> loading on startup which might be run on an on demand basis. Also
> check whether anti-virus and other programmes carrying full system
> scans are scheduled to carry these out at times when you are not
> otherwise using the computer.
>
> Which anti-virus programme are you using? Some have a much heavier
> footprint than others. A change might help. It need not cost anything.
Just for yucks, I Googled paulmars & hijackthis and found:
http://spywarewarrior.com/viewtopic.php?t=14920
You have a fair number of programs you certainly don't need running all
the time. See the following for ideas as to which ones to disable from
running in the background:
http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm
http://www.sysinfo.org/startupinfo.html
Furthermore, Norton is a resource hog. Dump it post haste. AVG is an
excellent and free alternative. Also, I'm pretty sure there are
alternatives to Zone Alarm which use considerably fewer resources.
How much free space do you have on your hard drive?
And did you catch my other post. Lately, some of my posts haven't been
showing up on the Microsoft news server. Odd... Anywho, please look at:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/61c6806afbe57447?hl=en&
(Or http://shurl.org/uTYgu )
--
Dave
paulmars
current work load it works for >6 months, then performance starts to
decline. Something changed, not something needs to change. I hav had no
major upgrades for a very long time.
If my condition started after upgrading to lets say sp2, then that would be
something else. I often use VideoLAN, since it uses less resources then wmp
and qt, but I occasionally use those two. As can be seen, I am aware of
resources and often did experience slight slowdowns, but I could manage
that. Now it is much less consistent. The only consistent problem that I do
have, is not being able to upload videos. I could do it while doing other
things, but now I can never do it, even while doing nothing else. I
experienced this maybe a week or two before I started experiencing
slowdowns. Every video upload starts and gets slower and slower and stops at
xx%, always double figure and almost always between 50 and 80%. Yes I have
tried different videos. Since this was repeating itself day after day, after
doing all the security scans, bla, bla,bla I actually contacted youtube, I
thought something was wrong with my account. I noticed but was not sure
there was a correlation with my google video postings. They started to fail
more often....Then a week or two later other things start getting slower and
slower. But not consistently slower.
Why after closing several apps should it take 10 minutes for my system to
recover?
Why would apps refuse to open and then open 20 minutes later? I have NEVER
seen this condition before.
My video editing has no undo. But that really does not matter, since I have
been using that program for well over a year.
I check my start~startup folder, my startup in msconfig, and services
running regularly. I hav 3 startup items; zonealarm, teatimer, avg av. I hav
3 non ms services; zonealarm, 2 avg. I also have many ms services changed
from auto to manual or disabled.
One of my security apps also reports new services. So, I keep an eye on this
too.
My only security that runs at startup is avg av, spybot w/ teatimer,
zonealarm, but gee I have been running all those for years, excepting the
avg, since I used to use norton and switched about 12 months ago, since
norton is such a memory hog. Even with norton, I never had apps refuse to
open, folders taking 22 seconds to open....
All system scans are set to off, so I can do them manually during light
loads.
I also regularly check for surprises in add/remove...nothing there.
Maybe about a year ago, I looked into changing my pagefile size, but all the
reading and monitoring I did convinced me to leave it set to auto. Maybe I
should do this again, since maybe I did not investigate enough, but again it
has been working....up until about a month ago.
I m using the same programs as I was 3 months ago, excepting minor upgrades,
which have not been the cause of my condition. After all, I can just have 2
instances of ie opened and be watching a video on one and downloading a
video in the other and I experience noticeable slowdowns, like NEVER before.
When I ran 3.1, and when I ran 95 and 98se I always used less ram then was
recommended. Its the way I m, and I hav always recognized the need for more
and do so.
I found and ran 3 different ram scan apps, since that was a suspect. Its in
good health.
paul
"Gerry Cornell" <gc...@tenretnitb.com> wrote in message
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paulmars
Just for yucks, I Googled paulmars & hijackthis and found
been done, one of the first things I learned after switching to xp
You have a fair number of programs you certainly don't need running all
> the time. See the following for ideas as to which ones to disable from
> running in the background
I hav been using avg for a year or so.
free space is about 50% of the 120g HDD.
Just read that post now.
"Daave" <dcwash...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message
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paulmars
doing other things, like watching videos, cruzing the net, uploading, etc.
Now i never use azureus. If it is downloading, I can do NOTHING else.
P
Gerry Cornell
Have you tried creating a new user profile for yourself and observe
for affect.
Are you still running any 16 bit applications? These can fail to
release memory until the system is restarted.
Are you using Adobe Acrobat Reader? If yes consider switching to Foxit
Reader.
http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php
What is your motherboard model number?
Otherwise all I can say is try to identify which programmes generate
high pagefile usage.
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
paulmars
Gerry Cornell
System and Application logs in Event Viewer for when the restart
occured. No Information Reports please.
You can access Event Viewer by selecting Start, Control Panel,
Administrative Tools, and Event Viewer. When researching the meaning
of the error, information regarding Event ID, Source and Description
are important.
HOW TO: View and Manage Event Logs in Event Viewer in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308427/en-us
Part of the Description of the error will include a link, which you
should double click for further information. You can copy using copy
and paste. Often the link will, however, say there is no further
information.
http://go.microsoft.com/fw.link/events.asp
(Please note the hyperlink above is for illustration purposes only)
A tip for posting copies of Error Reports! Run Event Viewer and double
click on the error you want to copy. In the window, which appears is a
button resembling two pages. Click the button and close Event
Viewer.Now start your message (email) and do a paste into the body of
the message. Make sure this is the first paste after exiting from
Event Viewer.
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
paulmars
"Gerry Cornell" <gc...@tenretnitb.com> wrote in message
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paulmars
downloading it from http://www.majorgeeks.com/ and self-reboot.
and it is now lost. So I try and do it again.
again nothing in event viewer.
"paulmars" <pm...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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paulmars
will not reboot during the tests.
> Have you tried creating a new user profile for yourself and observe for
> affect.
I will try that next, after the tests run.
16 bit apps, not that I kno.
I will also try Foxit later. Thanks.
GA-7VKMLS gigabyte
"Gerry Cornell" <gc...@tenretnitb.com> wrote in message
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Daave
> I was reading an Email and my system rebooted. Did insufficient ram
> do that?
Insufficient RAM, no. *Faulty* RAM, likely.
Also, setting Norton to scan e-mails has been know to cause this
behavior.
paulmars
"Daave" <dcwash...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message
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Gerry Cornell
What diagnostic software?
Gerry Cornell
I have got hold of a copy of your Motherboard Manual. The motherboard
dates from 2002. There have been no driver updates for some years,
except for an audio driver in 2006.
The motherboard supports up to 1 gb dram max. Adding RAM of this
vintage is quite cheap so you should give the matter serious thought
if you intend to go on using the computer for some time to come.
Some of the problems you are now encountering suggest you need to
check out hardware. The memory, the hard drive and the power supply
come to mind.
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Hardware_Tshoot
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"paulmars" <pm...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> GA-7VKMLS gigabyte
>
>
paulmars
complete. Previously, I had done 3 memory tests, power supply test, and a
HDD test. Mojor Geeks I got some mainboard, cpu, and memory tests. I have
run several including mainboard and so far no errors.
Hmmm, I was told to use SDRam and that is what I hav in her.
Yea, I kno. I had already gotten that 2006 update last year. When I removed
my soundblaster and went back to the onboard sound. I did such, because I
needed to install a flash card and needed a slot. So, out with the sound
card. Only 3 bays on this board.
"Gerry Cornell" <gc...@tenretnitb.com> wrote in message
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paulmars
http://www.majorgeeks.com/downloads7.html
Most Hot CPU tests have completed and passed, CPU stability test passed.
I may not run the Big Fix.
"Gerry Cornell" <gc...@tenretnitb.com> wrote in message
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Gerry Cornell
Says in Manual regarding Memory
2 168-pin SDRAM DIMM sockets
Supports PC-100/PC-133 SDRAM (Auto)
Supports up to 1GB DRAM (Max)
Supports only 3.3V SDRAM DIMM
Supports 64bit DRAM integrity mode
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
paulmars
Mine says:
...two inline memory modules (DIMM) sockets support 6 banks....to install
push..... into the DIMM socket. The DIMM Module can fit...."
"insert DIMM memory into DIMM socket..."
then:
"when the led is on do not install or remove SDRAM from socket"
all on page 12.
Thanks
paul
PS: I go out now and start another memory burn-in test.
"Gerry Cornell" <gc...@tenretnitb.com> wrote in message
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Gerry Cornell
Page 5.
I was seeking to establish what was the maximum memory which could be
installed.
Is your hard drive formatted as NTFS? What is the cluster size. An
easy way to establish the cluster size is to look in a Disk
Defragmenter Report.
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"paulmars" <pm...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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paulmars
cluster size is default, 4k NTFS, 16k FAT32.
p
"Gerry Cornell" <gc...@tenretnitb.com> wrote in message
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paulmars
4 1/2 hour memory burn in = ok
10 1/2 hour cpu burn in = ok
Considering testing again after the burn in.
Downloaded another tester, un zipped it and I was dragging a file accros the
desktop and system rebooted. It does not reboot during tests or burn it, but
dragging a file does it.
paul
Daave
> I was dragging a file accros the desktop and system rebooted.
Does this behavior happen after a clean boot or in Safe Mode?
Daave
Daave
> Daave wrote:
>> Just for yucks, I Googled paulmars & hijackthis and found:
>>
>> http://spywarewarrior.com/viewtopic.php?t=14920
>>
>> You have a fair number of programs you certainly don't need
>> running all the time. See the following for ideas as to which ones
>> to disable from running in the background:
>>
>> http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm
>>
>> http://www.sysinfo.org/startupinfo.html
> is this relevant? (2005)
>
> been done, one of the first things I learned after switching to xp
Gotcha. I wasn't paying attention to the date; I read elsewhere in the
thread that you ran HijackThis, and I mistakenly thought I was reading
your recent encounter!
Still, it would be a good idea to let us know about your most recent HJT
results; it's possible you have something running that you'd be better
off without. Since most people don't like HJT logs posted in this
newsgroup, please post a link.
paulmars
this eliminates hijacks
I m aware of all my startups and active services and check regularly for
unneeded items.
Paul
"Daave" <dcwash...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message
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paulmars
although I really would not kno. If I boot my computer and leave the room,
maybe it did reboot itself after booting up, however I kinda doubt it.
I rarely go into safe mode and will not go there to see if it might reboot.
"Daave" <dcwash...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message
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paulmars
desktop drag. This, like the temporary freeze during right click context
menu selection are just random occurrences pointing to a larger problem.
Just like my slowness is not a result of an intrusion. Its gotta be
hardware.
p
"Daave" <dcwash...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message
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Ha Kim
I was experiencing a similar problem My System process was taking up upto
50% of the CPU and nothing I tried seemed to fix the problem. Scan your hard
drive for *.tmp files and see if you have a bunch of these files in your
virus definition folder that are 0 bytes. I found 20k on my scan and after I
deleted the files, everything went back to normal. Unfortunately, I dont
know what is creating these files so I'm sure the problem will be reoccuring.
Ha
"paulmars" wrote:
> No spyware, adware, malware, virus, etc. Amply free space. Defragged.
> Cookies and temp files deleted.
>
> After two weeks, I finally gave up and zeroed the entire harddrve and
> reinstalled xp and security apps. The condition re-appeared.
>
> Sometimes task mgr cpu usage is very high, other times it is quite low. I
> invistigated all running processes in task mgr and nothing that does not
> belong is there.
>
> Only three items in msconfig Startup and they are all legitimate and have
> been there forever.
>
> I downloaded 3 different memory testers, two if which ran all night
> (different nights) and found no problems.
>
> Computer acts like I removed 1/2 the ram. It just gets too busy much faster
> then previously. It did for about two weeks before I zeroed the HDD and it
> is still like that after reinstall xp.
>
> I totally give up...what could it be. I had installed no new programs.
>
> A few hours ago, I right clicked on the desktop to make a new dir and the
> context menu poped up and I choose new folder and the hour glass appeared
> and I waited over 5 minutes for it to make the new folder. Nothing else was
> opened. This is an extreme example of what I deal with, but u get the idea.
>
> Sometimes when it is starting to get slow, I will open task mgr or something
> else, and it will not open, then maybe 15 minutes later it will open. Or I
> will try and close an app and it wont, but maybe 1,2,5,12 minutes later it
> will close.
>
> As long as I keep just a few things open, it usually does not get too slow,
> but sometimes I am not that lucky.
>
> One thing that I can not do anymore at all is upload videos to youtube. It
> starts ok, but the upload gets slower and slower and finally freezes.
> Nothing else is frozen, just the upload percent. This is how I first noticed
> this condition on my last xp install and it continues today. Even closing
> all unneeded apps and starting the upload and leaving the computer will not
> get the entire file uploaded. However, from what I said above, this is not
> the only thing to causes my system to slowdown and sometimes freeze. Very
> rarely does the entire computer freeze, because I can usually since the
> slowness getting intolerable and I close somethings.
>
> HELP!
>
> PS: I wrote this is notepad and saved it to desktop. When I opened it, it
> took 12 seconds to open in notepad.
>
>
>
paulmars
same problem.
paul
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Paul
How did you format the drive? As FAT32 or NTFS? Is it as one volume?
With a new installation you have to run Disk CleanUp and Disk
Defragmenter as soon as you have finished installing Windows XP
updates and programmes!
What readings are you getting from pagefilemon?
Have you tried adding memory?
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defrag since re-installing xp.
I never use disk cleanup. Occasionally I delete temps and delete recycle
files. I do other maintenance too.
I am not monitoring the pagefile. I am going under the premise that it
worked last install, so I reinstall with the same sys settings...
Except I can find no problems with my hardware.
Think about my situation uploading to youtube and google video. Everytime,
it starts out good but gets slower and slower until it stops. Sometimes
connection speed will vary and I have experienced this. But this situation
is now very consistent. This was the start of my computer problem. Then a
week or two later I noticed other things getting slower and somewhat
spasmatic. For maybe 6 or 8 weeks now, not a single video upload has
completed.
Tonight I am going to try uploading in safe mode. I am not even sure that I
can start uploading in safe mode. But if I can, lets see if it completes.
p
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How do you reach this conclusion "I am going under the premise that it
worked last install, so I reinstall with the same sys settings..."?
Where have you placed the pagefile?
How often do you compact Outlook Express?
How are you preventing your system from being overun by temporary
internet files?
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paulmars
that last week or two when uploading stopped working and things started
getting slower, et all. So, I naturally suspected spyware, malware,
virus....When noting worked to bring my system back to its working state, I
zeroed the HDD and reinstalled xp pro. I then set it up just like I did
during the last install.
I find that temp files usually take care of themselves. Just the same
occasionally I delete all *.tmp, *.chk, ~*.*, after a reboot. I also weekly
update and run:
Ccleaner, mru blaster, spybot, avg anti virus and anti spyware, spyware
blaster, lavasoft ad-aware, winpatrol, and occasionally some online scans. I
have used Hijack, long ago, but since I started my weekly routine (over a
year ago) I have not had to post a Hijack log.
pagefile is in default C:\
I compact OE before I do a backup, about monthly. BTW my oe store is on D:,
as it was last install and the time before. Favs are also on D:, like
previously.
I do have one setting that is not the same as before. Previously I have used
FAT32 for my storage partitions (D,E,F), however that option was not
available for E: and F: this install For some reason NTFS was the only
choice. Not so with D:, which had the choice of FAT32 or NTFS. I always use
NTFS for the system partition(C).
I left after uploading had reached 7% under safe mode. It looked like it was
going slower then usually, but that may have been my cable isp. I returned
90 minutes later and the browser said:
The page cannot be displayed
The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be
experiencing technical bla bla bla.
I closed that and opened a new instance of IE and tried to go to several
sites. All gave me "The page cannot be displayed...". So I rebooted into
normal mode and I can again cruz the net. Does safe mode internet access
time out?
p
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the problem. Any suggestions?
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paulmars
using it for 16 months. I learned long ago that when I had lots of things
going, like cruzing the net, and uploading a video and editing a video along
with OE and ICQ and yahoo IM all going on at once, the TV recording would
stop after just a few seconds. The TV said it was still recording, but the
file stopped recording. After lots of experienting I figured out that too
many things going on and the system would close the recording after just a
few seconds.
Today for the first time in a while I started recording a show. I suspected
that I might hav this problem, so I checked the file and sure enough it
stopped recording after a few seconds. So I started closing apps and tryiung
to record. I never got it to work. I closed everything, including firewall,
anti-virus and teatimer. Only TV was opened and still it would not record
more then a few seconds..
I opened task mgr while watching TV and it said 0% cpu usage. Then it moved
up to 6, 8%. It continued to jump around staying mostly between 5 and 20%.
While watching this I clicked the TV record button and cpu usage jumped to
60%, then varied between 20 and 60%. Occasionally, it went below 20%, but
never above 60%. It continued this way until I stopped the recording after
about 10 seconds using the TV record stop button. After about 6 more seconds
the cpu usage returned to between 10 and 20%. The file had stopped recording
after just 2 or 3 seconds.
For 16 months I could record with av, firewall, teatimer, OE, IE, yahoo and
icq im, etc opened.
Gerry Cornell
Are you using Peer-to-Peer or file sharing software? Could your ISP be
operating a Fair Usage Policy and restricting your downloading?
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paulmars
I do not like my isp, they really do sux. I need to change, but cost is an
issue. Maybe they did change and now limit my uploading?
I could ask, but past experience tells me not to bother. I trust nothing
they say to me. They insist that I can send email attachments up to 7meg,
but anything over 3.5 meg fails. Everytime, even though I could send even 10
meg attachments with my dialup. That is not the only issue. They are the
worst I hav ever experienced!!!
Its brighthouse and they gave me a tampabay.rr.com Email. tampabay.rr is
road runner. Maybe those two companies are connected. Everyone I speak to
who has roadrunner likes it. I hav found no one who has bright house.
I can not afford cable. I was paying 9.95$ for dialup when bright house
offered me 768 cable for 14.95$ which was too good to refuse. After using
cable, I just cant go back to dialup. Of course one advantage to cable was
the video uploading, which is no more.
I did find a 24.95$ cable, but again this is more money and are they better,
I do not kno.
This has nothing to do with TV or does it? Its a TV card attached to my air
antenna. I hav no cable TV, I never hav.
P
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itself. I rebooted it several times and twice it froose on the blue "windows
is starting up" screen and twice it froose after the desktop loaded, but
before desktop icons or tastbar.
I installed my CD/DVD software (3 nero apps). Some if which requre a reboot.
Sometimes I just rebooted before loading the next exe. One of the incomplete
windows boots was after installing one of those nero exe, so I uninstalled
and rebooted before installing it again.
I am feeling like maybe it is the hard drive. I did multiple tests on the
cpu, mainboard, and ram. Only one seagate test on the hard drive. All
passed.
p
Gerry Cornell
Paul
Why not post a complete copy of the Stop Error message?
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paul
no more error messages. Well my problems got worse and worse finally
resulting in my BIOS sometimes not seeing the HDD. So, I replaced the cable
again and all is well now:)
BTW: I brought it to a shop and they could not find anything with all their
hardware diagnostics. Once I got it back and started to get the cant find
the HDD then I replaced the cable.
Daave
> Fixed. Remember that cable I replaced? It was a new cable and I was
> getting no more error messages. Well my problems got worse and worse
> finally resulting in my BIOS sometimes not seeing the HDD. So, I
> replaced the cable again and all is well now:)
Thanks for posting back, Paul.
Odd that the second cable didn't lead to similar error messages you
received when your first cable was also giving you grief. How did you
determine the BIOS sometimes couldn't see the HDD?
Anyway, great detective work! :-)
(But I still think you should dump Norton and get more RAM...)
paul
words though.
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Azagtoth
> 2/23/2007 12:21:20 PM
> Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys
> Current Pagefile Usage: 213 MB
> Session Peak Usage: 499 MB
> Current Pagefile Size: 562 MB
>
> 2/22/2007 2:13:05 PM
> Pagefile Physical Location: C:\pagefile.sys
> Current Pagefile Usage: 18 MB
> Session Peak Usage: 18 MB
> Current Pagefile Size: 432 MB
>
Time: 3:21:34 AM
> User: NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM
> Computer: PAULMARS
> Description:
> Windows saved user PAULMARS\Administrator registry while an
application or
> service was still using the registry during log off. The memory used
by
> the
> user's registry has not been freed. The registry will be unloaded when
it
> is
1. Saving registry error: Rediculously common. I wouldn't bother.
2. Page file, set the page file to 0. Yes your system will be slow.
Reboot in safe mode, and set it back to 700 MB or whatever.
Confused
Hello,
I had my "svchost.exe - system" running between 90 and 50% and at the same
time, int explorer was between 40 and 60%.
Sounds high. What should I do? As you know there are many "svchost.exe" on
a computer.
"SingaporeWebDesign" wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Any task manager process taking up 100% CPU?
>
> Did you install all the drivers (especially chipset and gfx)?
>
> I suspect that your PC may be overheating, and thus the processor is
> throttling itself.
>
> Check the temperature using your BIOS setup and let us know how it goes.
>
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> "paulmars" <pm...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:%23HRYy6K...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > No spyware, adware, malware, virus, etc. Amply free space. Defragged.
> > Cookies and temp files deleted.
> >
> > After two weeks, I finally gave up and zeroed the entire harddrve and
> > reinstalled xp and security apps. The condition re-appeared.
> >
> > Sometimes task mgr cpu usage is very high, other times it is quite low. I
> > invistigated all running processes in task mgr and nothing that does not
> > belong is there.
> >
> > Only three items in msconfig Startup and they are all legitimate and have
> > been there forever.
> >
> > I downloaded 3 different memory testers, two if which ran all night
> > (different nights) and found no problems.
> >
> > Computer acts like I removed 1/2 the ram. It just gets too busy much
> > faster then previously. It did for about two weeks before I zeroed the HDD
Confused
Hello again,
I just checked my CPU temp and it ran between 92 and 66. What should it be
and what is the warning number?
Bob I
be set slightly lower than the CPU limit stated at the CPU manufacturers
web site for the processor in question.
Joe Grover
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/ProcessExplorer.mspx
This utility will show you two important things:
- Where each svchost.exe process is located (as some malware may run as a
file called svchost.exe to avoid normal detection, the legit file resides in
your System32 folder)
- What that process is running
For example, I have ActiveSync installed, so one of my svchost.exe's has
"rapimgr.exe" listed underneath it.
Look for the offending svchost.exe and see if it's running wuauclt.exe,
which is the Windows Automatic update service. That seems to be a common
offender. If so:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/916089
Joe
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