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Arlen Holder

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May 27, 2020, 3:19:29 PM5/27/20
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o The Windows 10 May 2020 Update is now out
<https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/windows-10-may-2020-update-now-available/>
o The most significant update comes to File Explorer
o There is also a new Cortana experience
o and the ability to rename virtual desktops
o Other improvements include an enhanced Windows search function

To download the May 2020 Update today...
o Open Windows Settings, clicking Update & Security, Windows Update
followed by Check for Updates.

o If it is ready for your PC, you will see a message appear under
Optional Updates available in Windows Update, of
'Feature update to Windows 10, version 2004'
o You can then trigger a download of it by clicking
Download and install now

To force an update if you do not see that message...
o Go to <https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10>
o Download the Media Creation Tool "MediaCreationTool2004.exe"
<https://software-download.microsoft.com/download/pr/MediaCreationTool2004.exe>
o You can then use that tool to download a bootable ISO file.

It's always a ton of bullshit in the reviews, but let's see what they say.
o What's new in the Windows 10 May 2020 Update
<https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2020/05/27/whats-new-in-the-windows-10-may-2020-update/>
o Bluetooth pairing is fewer steps
o you can sign in with your face, fingerprint, or PIN?
o kaomoji available directly in the Windows emoji keyboard
o Name your desktops instead of Desktop 1 or Desktop 2
o DirectX 12 Ultimate
o Xbox Game Bar now supports third-party widgets
o memory usage reduction of up to 27% when browsing with Microsoft Edge
o now you can choose to keep the Calculator app on top of everything
o NotePad.exe wrap around find/replace, quick text zooming
o NotePad.exe asterisk in the title bar indicates unsaved changes
o place, receive, or text reply to phone calls directly on your PC
o Cortana chat-based user interface
o Narrator sounds have been revamped
o Windows Magnifier will keep the text cursor in the center of the screen
etc.

The phone sync appears to require a separate app:
<https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/sync-across-your-devices?activetab=pivot_1%253aprimaryr2>
"Users must link their phone to their Windows PC in PC settings. Users
will receive an app from Microsoft which they must download to their phone
and follow the set-up prompts, including being signed into [the] same
Microsoft Account across mobile apps and Windows 10 PC."

Apparently they're billing WSL2 as part of this update
o Even though you can get it separately, as we covered here:
o Tutorial for setting up Ubuntu as a Windows Subsystem for Linux WSL in Windows 10
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.comp.freeware/rOT8xBWo9dk/pK8Z8ahDAgAJ>

This is where they link the WSL2 with this new update:
o Windows 10 May 2020 Update now available with built-in Linux kernel and Cortana updates
<https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/27/21271655/microsoft-windows-10-may-2020-update-download-available>
"Microsoft¢s next major Windows 10 update includes WSL 2"

"The biggest change to the May 2020 Update is that it includes the
Windows Subsystem for Linux 2 (WSL 2), with a custom-built Linux kernel."

"WSL 2 won't include Linux GUI application support or GPU hardware
acceleration just yet, as Microsoft is promising both of these features for
future Windows updates."
o Microsoft is bringing Linux GUI apps to Windows 10
<https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/19/21263377/microsoft-windows-10-linux-gui-apps-gpu-acceleration-wsl-features>

As always, please improve so that all benefit from every article posted.
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Paul

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May 27, 2020, 3:38:15 PM5/27/20
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Arlen Holder wrote:
> o The Windows 10 May 2020 Update is now out
> <https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/windows-10-may-2020-update-now-available/>

It's an Upgrade, because the release number of the OS
changes, as do the release number stamps on the majority
of OS files.

18363.999

release-number . patch-number

<-- Upgrade --> <-- Update -->

The incoming one, also counts as the "Major" upgrade for 2020.

The one later in the year, if any, is a "tick box upgrade", where
in many cases, the release numbers are mixed. In your
existing OS, you can see a mixture of 18362 (Major) and 18363 (Minor).

Cortana has been relegated to a janitorial room in
the basement of the Microsoft building. Your job is to
find where they've hidden Cortana, as an Easter Egg.

Paul

Arlen Holder

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May 27, 2020, 8:47:00 PM5/27/20
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On Wed, 27 May 2020 15:38:14 -0400, Paul wrote:

> It's an Upgrade...

Hi Paul,

Thanks for that well-meant correction, where, in my defense, I'll only
state I was parroting the title of the first article referenced. :)

Moving forward, I'll try to use "upgrade" for the Win10 2004 rollout!
o I actually appreciate the admonishment - as we should use proper terms.

> The one later in the year, if any, is a "tick box upgrade", where
> in many cases, the release numbers are mixed. In your
> existing OS, you can see a mixture of 18362 (Major) and 18363 (Minor).

Currently, on this desktop, I'm at:
Win+R > winver
18363.836

Accordingly, I've obtained the requisite tool & ISO which awaits install:
Name: MediaCreationTool2004.exe
Size: 19468312 bytes (18 MiB)
SHA256: E230E99A0836C468F8CA98FBE0CEDB7B73CE88229409035D1E5353B88397A781

Name: Windows.iso
Size: 4144168960 bytes (3952 MiB)
SHA256: 35C8CA4D9943BC614BD2ECFE569E459BE5873B2B02FF3E5ABEEB6EAF6CB23A5B

> Cortana has been relegated to a janitorial room in
> the basement of the Microsoft building. Your job is to
> find where they've hidden Cortana, as an Easter Egg.

For whatever reason, they seem to be making a big deal about Cortana...
o Microsoft continues its productivity-aide push with the new Cortana app for Windows 10 2004
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-continues-its-productivity-aide-push-with-the-new-cortana-app-for-windows-10-2004/>
"Microsoft is rolling out its new standalone Cortana productivity-aide
app and updating its Cortana app with new features on iOS,
simultaneous with the Windows 10 2004 rollout."

"This new, separate Cortana app, available for Windows 10 starting with
this feature update, is all about using natural language
(voice or typing activated) to handle more productivity tasks."

I turned off Cortana so long ago that I don't even know what it is anymore.
o Same thing with those binary tiled menus & even the alphabetical menu.

I didn't see much by way of useful stuff in those Windows Upgrade reviews.
o Did you?

Remember long ago when I authored this question about Windows?
o What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/fJBY472ds3E/W539WlUTAwAJ>

Something like 40 people in something like 400 posts could barely find a
dozen useful things you couldn't do way back in the older releases, that
were claimed to be inside the newest release (at that time).

What's changed since then?
o I think almost all mature software follows a similar functionality curve.

In general, most "reviews" are simply "shills" provided by MARKETING to the
various organizations to hand them ready-made "news" about the product,
IMHO.

Having read the posted reviews, I didn't find much by way of usefulness.
o Did you?
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I turned off Cortana so long ago that I don't even know what it is anymore.

T

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May 27, 2020, 8:58:30 PM5/27/20
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Arlen Holder

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May 27, 2020, 9:34:25 PM5/27/20
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Like others, I tried to find the Windows Update/Upgrade button but I
couldn't find it, so I too downloaded the ISO although I used the MCT to do
it.

Name: MediaCreationTool2004.exe
Size: 19468312 bytes (18 MiB)
SHA256: E230E99A0836C468F8CA98FBE0CEDB7B73CE88229409035D1E5353B88397A781

Name: Windows.iso
Size: 4144168960 bytes (3952 MiB)
SHA256: 35C8CA4D9943BC614BD2ECFE569E459BE5873B2B02FF3E5ABEEB6EAF6CB23A5B
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T

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May 27, 2020, 10:07:49 PM5/27/20
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On 2020-05-27 18:34, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:58:27 -0700, T wrote:
>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Now downloading the ISO from
>>
>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO
>
> Like others, I tried to find the Windows Update/Upgrade button but I
> couldn't find it, so I too downloaded the ISO although I used the MCT to do
> it.
>
> Name: MediaCreationTool2004.exe
> Size: 19468312 bytes (18 MiB)
> SHA256: E230E99A0836C468F8CA98FBE0CEDB7B73CE88229409035D1E5353B88397A781
>
> Name: Windows.iso
> Size: 4144168960 bytes (3952 MiB)
> SHA256: 35C8CA4D9943BC614BD2ECFE569E459BE5873B2B02FF3E5ABEEB6EAF6CB23A5B
>

I downloaded it with Linux, so it only offers me the ISO.
(I like it that way.) I burn my flash drive with WoeUSB.

https://github.com/slacka/WoeUSB

Paul

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May 27, 2020, 11:14:39 PM5/27/20
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Now, compare the size of your ISO to his.

Yours should be bigger, as typically the Linux-downloaded-one
has 11 OS versions, and the MediaCreationTool one has 7 OS versions.

Quite why they do this, I don't understand the motivation. It
means a Linux user would need dual layer DVD9 media to hold
that ISO. Whereas the one Arlen got, should fit on single
layer media.

It's also possible to remaster the ISO and remove the
versions you don't want (for either of the 7-OS or
11-OS versions).

Paul

T

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May 27, 2020, 11:18:51 PM5/27/20
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They always seem to work ..

ls -al Win10_2004_English_x64.iso
-rw-r--r--. 1 todd users 5268953088 May 27 19:31 Win10_2004_English_x64

I want all the versions as I use these to do installs
and upgrades. And the stick is 8 GB, so I don't care
about teh wasted 3 GB



T

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May 28, 2020, 12:54:09 PM5/28/20
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I am now officially on Windows Nein (w10) build 2004
(that aught to piss of the M$ fanbois).

I mounted the iso and installed from there. Everything
was pretty uneventful.

Have not used it for anything yet.



Arlen Holder

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May 28, 2020, 1:26:21 PM5/28/20
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On Thu, 28 May 2020 09:54:04 -0700, T wrote:

> I am now officially on Windows Nein (w10) build 2004
> (that aught to piss of the M$ fanbois).
>
> I mounted the iso and installed from there. Everything
> was pretty uneventful.
>
> Have not used it for anything yet.

You beat me!

I had opted for the ISO to DVD which I tried burning (twice) using ImgBurn
freeware, and it failed, both times. Dunno why.

I'll see if I can catch up to you!

Arlen Holder

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On Wed, 27 May 2020 21:46:57 +0200, ^Bart wrote:

> I just tried to upgrade my 1909 by Windows10Upgrade9252.exe, after few
> seconds it says "System is updated" but when I try winver command it
> shows 1909.
>
> Now I'm trying the MediaCreationTool2004.exe to make a usb key and I
> found in this tool "update this machine" option, maybe I should try to
> use it...

Did it work yet for you, Begin Bart?

I'm still trying to get a DVD burned, where I have a dead desktop just
waiting to get a new HDD and this 2004 Windows 10 edition...

Looking for "what" is in the edition, there 'ain't much I fear...

For example...
o Windows 10 May 2020 update brings WSL 2, revamped Cortana assistant,
and Your Phone calls to ARM devices
<https://www.xda-developers.com/microsoft-windows-10-may-2020-update-wsl-2-revamped-cortana-assistant-your-phone-calls-arm-devices/>

"The latest version of Windows 10, is now receiving the May 2020
stable update, which brings several key features such as...
(1) Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) 2
(2) a revamped Cortana experience,
(3) Your Phone feature for Windows on ARM,
(4) and more" [see below for the andmore stuff]

"As part of this update, WSL 2 is also now updateable through
Windows Update, so users no longer need to rely on the command line
only to update the kernel."

"Microsoft did announce GPU acceleration and Linux GUI app support for
WSL 2, at Microsoft Build 2020. But, these features are not yet
available even for Windows Insiders"

"Another highlight of this Windows 10 version update is the new Cortana
experience, which now takes the form of a chat"

"The Your Phone app lets you place, receive, or text reply to incoming
phone calls from your PC. Previously, this feature only worked if you
had a supported Android device and an x86/x86-64 Windows 10 PC."

"Other smaller features in this update include:
(4) Faster Bluetooth pairing
(5) More kaomoji available within the Windows emoji keyboard
(6) Virtual desktops can now be named.
(7) The Xbox Game Bar now supports third-party widgets
(8) Memory improvements in Microsoft Edge
(9) The Calculator app can now float on top of other windows
(10) Notepad updated with wrap-around find/replace
(11) Notepad updated with quick text zooming
(12) Notepad updated to show when the file has unsaved changes"
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T

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May 29, 2020, 5:22:59 PM5/29/20
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ya. everyone else makes a direct dd of their iso's.
but not m$

a flash drive is about 10 times faster

Rene Lamontagne

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May 29, 2020, 5:34:51 PM5/29/20
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Yup, D/L to flash drive, Install from there, Whole thing done in 36
minutes .
No problems, no gotchas. no slow DVDs.

Rene

Arlen Holder

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May 29, 2020, 6:23:03 PM5/29/20
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 14:22:56 -0700, T wrote:

> ya. everyone else makes a direct dd of their iso's.

I was able to burn the 2004 Win10 to a DVD using ImgBurn (third try).

Don't ask me why it took 3 tries; maybe a bad batch of optical media?
Disc Information:
Sectors: 2,023,520
Size: 4,144,168,960 bytes
MID: CMC MAG. AM3
Pre-recorded Information:
Manufacturer ID: CMC MAG. AM3
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,220,127
etc.

Moving forward, one question, mainly for Paul, since he "might" know...
a. I can't get a desktop to boot due to this issue
Windows 10 BSOD indicates a hardware problem - but what hardware is the problem?
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/oL7PTNKu/windows-10-bsod-indicates-a-hardware-problem-but-what-hardware-is-the-problem>
b. I haven't yet bought a replacement HDD which I know would work just fine
with the new Windows 10 (which is really my plan).
c. However, I doubt there is anything wrong with the old HDD
d. But I haven't backed it up yet (too big).

Is there any way to "repair" the bad HDD given this circumstance:
1. When I put the bad HDD in the bad desktop, it won't boot.
2. However, when I put the bad HDD in a good desktop, it shows up.
(I did NOT set it as the boot disk though.)
3. How can I 'repair' that bad HDD using this new 2004 Windows 10 disc?

Can I do this?
a. Put the bad HDD in the bad desktop and boot to the 2004 Win10 disc.
b. Then "repair" the bad HDD without losing the data outside of Windows?

If I can't, then I have to buy a new HDD and then I know it will work.
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Paul

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May 29, 2020, 8:27:20 PM5/29/20
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Repair install (lossless) works if the desktop boots.

I think you can see the Catch22 nature of such a Repair capability.
The Repair capability is useless for real work.

The old WinXP way was better, because it could repair something
that didn't boot, yet had the "smell" of an OS to it.

*******

Normally, you'd sneak up on it, but Windows 10 just isn't
conducive to maintenance. It has the bad $MFTMIRR, the bad volume
bitmap, the reparse points, all of which are items that Linux
doesn't like. The $MFTMIRR prevents a volume from being
mounted in Linux. You'll see messages in "dmesg" indicating
you are shit outta luck.

If you boot Windows 7 and do a CHKDSK from there, then the Extended Attribute
processing that Windows 7 has to do, could take an hour to complete. We're
back in the bad old days of disk repair, where certain operations
"took forever".

It's a situation where it's hard to make forward progress.

1) Linux - not likely to afford an easy foothold. Fedora had
the $MFTMIRR commented out at one point. The rest of Linux
just does not care to fix this.

2) Windows 7 - can make progress here. Could attempt to review
partition. Could use TestDisk if the partition table had been
destroyed (but this hardly ever works properly). Could use
disktype, but, that's a long shot too, as getting the code
is the tough first step.

You could run a Seagate or a WDC utility (Windows version) from
the Windows 7 OS of the technician machine, and do some basic
checks.

Or, run HDTune (Version 255 free version), and check SMART and
run a benchmark curve.

But in general terms, you're in a pretty deep hole, and
for the next day or two, all you're going to be doing is
"shoveling". Victory is some distance a way at the moment.

So get your Windows 7 setup going, and plug that disk in
and start work on it. To start, it's mostly a "recognition"
question, rather than a "repair" question. Is it a disk drive ?
Or is it a dead brick ?

Paul

Rene Lamontagne

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May 30, 2020, 10:37:25 AM5/30/20
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So far The new 2004 (OS build 19041.264) is working fine, the only
thing it lost was a couple of Windows 7 old games which I quickly
recovered with Winaero Tweaker.

I removed Windows.old with disk cleanup which brings my C:\ Windows
drive back to 36.4 GB, and Did a Macrium Backup as usual.

The one feature which I immediately liked was the new configurable text
cursor, Size, Color and appearance.

This was only a first look, I'm sure I will find other improvements as
time goes on.

Rene



Mark Lloyd

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May 30, 2020, 12:17:32 PM5/30/20
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On 5/29/20 4:22 PM, T wrote:

[snip]

> ya.  everyone else makes a direct dd of their iso's.
> but not m$
>
> a flash drive is about 10 times faster

I have Win10 in a VM, so did not need to burn or create flash drive
boot. I just needed to copy the ISO to the machine with the VM and tell
VirtualBox to insert it into the virtual drive.

BTW, they seem to still be updating MSEdge (it's not Chromium Edge).

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T

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May 30, 2020, 6:06:13 PM5/30/20
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On 2020-05-30 07:37, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> The one feature which I immediately liked was the new configurable text
> cursor,  Size, Color and appearance.

How about a choice of something other that those
obnoxious please wait circling balls?

T

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May 30, 2020, 6:08:54 PM5/30/20
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On 2020-05-30 09:17, Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On 5/29/20 4:22 PM, T wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> ya.  everyone else makes a direct dd of their iso's.
>> but not m$
>>
>> a flash drive is about 10 times faster
>
> I have Win10 in a VM, so did not need to burn or create flash drive
> boot. I just needed to copy the ISO to the machine with the VM and tell
> VirtualBox to insert it into the virtual drive.

I did the same thing with qemu-kvm. Plenty fast!


> BTW, they seem to still be updating MSEdge (it's not Chromium Edge).

I just remove the Edge icon and replace it with the old
IE icon.

I also install Brave and Firefox and tell the customer to
use them instead. But sometimes you just have to use IE.
That is slowly being replaced with "only works with Chrome".


Rene Lamontagne

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May 30, 2020, 7:43:57 PM5/30/20
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How about an old analog clock with moving hands, or is that spoken for?
How about a small Steam loco running on a circular track?
How about a small tractor plowing a small rectangular field

Rene


T

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May 30, 2020, 11:32:01 PM5/30/20
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I would just go with the hour glass that flips over
every so often.

Paul

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May 31, 2020, 1:50:59 AM5/31/20
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I forget. Is that a Win98 thing ? Or earlier ?

What I'd like to know, is what makes these processes so slow.
If we could banish the juggling balls by going faster, that
would be "neat".

Paul

Rene Lamontagne

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May 31, 2020, 10:23:46 AM5/31/20
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Lets be thankful it doesn't play "Elevator Music' while we wait and
twiddle our thumbs.

Rene

Char Jackson

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May 31, 2020, 12:49:29 PM5/31/20
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On Sun, 31 May 2020 09:23:41 -0500, Rene Lamontagne <rla...@shaw.ca>
wrote:
First World problems, right? :-)
There are people in the world who wake up every morning and grab their two
water buckets before walking the 20-mile round trip to the nearest river to
bring water back to be used that day.

Boris

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May 31, 2020, 4:26:00 PM5/31/20
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Arlen Holder <arlen...@newmachine.com> wrote in
news:ramefu$o3f$1...@news.mixmin.net:
Do you know, can the new Edge be configured to open a user's local email
client?

Thanks.

Char Jackson

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On Sun, 31 May 2020 20:25:57 -0000 (UTC), Boris <Bo...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>Do you know, can the new Edge be configured to open a user's local email
>client?

Can any browser open a local email client? I'm not sure how that would be
accomplished.

A local email client is typically a Windows application. You typically
launch it just like you launch any other application.

Arlen Holder

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May 31, 2020, 8:53:27 PM5/31/20
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There are about ten known issues to date...

o We're already looking into these 10 issues, says Microsoft
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-2004-were-already-looking-into-these-10-issues-says-microsoft/>
"Microsoft has found that certain versions of drivers for
*Realtek Bluetooth radios* aren't compatible with Windows 10 2004."

""affected Nvidia display driver versions... are any
*Nvidia driver versions lower than 358.00*"

"compatibility hold on Windows 10 devices with affected
*Conexant or Synaptics audio drivers*"

"Microsoft is also blocking the Windows 10 2004 update for PCs
with *Intel integrated graphics processing units*."

"Affected PCs include those with a *Thunderbolt port* and with
*Kernel DMA Protection enabled* and
*Windows Hypervisor Platform disabled*"

"It affects *devices with more than one Always On*,
Always Connected capable network adapter."

"compatibility issue with some games using GameInput Redistributable"

"there's a problem with apps or drivers using certain versions of
aksfridge.sys or aksdf.sys"

There's more information here:
o Windows 10, version 2004 and Windows Server, version 2004
<https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-information/status-windows-10-2004>

As a result, they just now updated the messages on Windows 10 1909 as per:
o *How to tell if your device is eligible for the Windows 10 May 2020 update*
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-tell-if-your-device-is-eligible-for-the-windows-10-may-2020-update/>

"Microsoft adds a message on the Windows Update page to let users
know if they're eligible for the Windows 10 May 2020 update."

"Microsoft employs a staggered rollout approach, making new versions
available to a small part of its userbase. Tested and widely supported
devices receive updates first, followed by older systems.

Starting with the Windows 10 May 2020 update (also known as Windows 10
v2004), Microsoft has taken steps to reduce the confusion"

Currently, [for] most Windows 10 users, this message will read:

"The Windows 10 May 2020 Update is on its way. We're offering this
update to compatible devices, but your device isn't quite ready for
it. Once your device is ready, you'll see the update available
on this page. There's nothing you need to do at this time."
--
They can't stop shilling it, where I don't see anything useful (do you?)
o What to expect from the version 2004 update
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/what-to-expect-from-windows-10-version-2004/>

Arlen Holder

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May 31, 2020, 9:13:04 PM5/31/20
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Did anyone else see the new wording that showed up today in:
Win10 flag > Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update

Here's what I got just now (it clearly says I'm not compatible):
<https://i.postimg.cc/vBYjkVst/update01.jpg>

"The Windows 10 May 2020 Update is on its way.
*We're offering this update to compatible devices*,
*but your device isn't quite ready for it.*
Once your device is ready, you'll see the update available"

It's due to the ten known (pretty big) problems currently reported:
o The Windows 10 May 2020 Update is finally now released 5/27/2020
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/C8uKEw5vIMA/JUUdpg8ZAgAJ>

Looks like a lot of PCs likely won't be compatible given these issues.
o Devices with Realtek, Nvidia, Conexant, & Synaptics drivers
o Devices with Intel integrated graphics processing units
o Devices with Thunderbolt ports & certain Hypervisor & Kernel DMA setups
o Devices with Always On Always Connected network adaptors
o Devices with GameInput Redistributable settings
o Devices with aksfridge.sys or aksdf.sys drivers
etc.
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Arlen Holder

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Jun 1, 2020, 10:51:20 AM6/1/20
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UPDATE: (dateline Jun 1, 2020, 6:16am EDT)

"Microsoft has a list of 10 issues it's currently investigating, and
9 of them have resulted in a *compatibility hold* which stops the
Windows 10 May 2020 Update from being installed via Windows Update."

o Microsoft is blocking the Windows 10 May 2020 Update on lots of devices
<https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/1/21276653/microsoft-windows-10-may-2020-update-block-known-issues-list>

"Microsoft has also added a warning to Windows Update
over the weekend for devices that aren't ready to be updated."

Here's the warning I received (did you get it also?):
<https://i.postimg.cc/vBYjkVst/update01.jpg>
--
Windows Update isn't the only way to get the Windows 10 May 2020 Update,
though. You can also force it through Microsoft's update assistant.

Paul

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Jun 1, 2020, 3:33:07 PM6/1/20
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Arlen Holder wrote:
> UPDATE: (dateline Jun 1, 2020, 6:16am EDT)
>
> "Microsoft has a list of 10 issues it's currently investigating, and
> 9 of them have resulted in a *compatibility hold* which stops the
> Windows 10 May 2020 Update from being installed via Windows Update."
>
> o Microsoft is blocking the Windows 10 May 2020 Update on lots of devices
> <https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/1/21276653/microsoft-windows-10-may-2020-update-block-known-issues-list>
>
> "Microsoft has also added a warning to Windows Update
> over the weekend for devices that aren't ready to be updated."
>
> Here's the warning I received (did you get it also?):
> <https://i.postimg.cc/vBYjkVst/update01.jpg>

https://www.askwoody.com/category/windows-10-releases/

"Microsoft’s been testing it since December"

Yes, I saw a 19041 a long time ago, possibly on the Insider disk.

But it's the same old problem it's always been. What they ship in
May, bears no resemblance to what staff are dogfooding or what
Insiders test.

The testing platforms are to check "active areas of development".
"Does my new spinning Cortana icon look nice?" That's what the
testing determines.

It seems to be assumed the driver side of things is working,
and they tend to "pour a driver set into the box at the last minute".
That's just my personal impression, based on how the release one
never quite seems to work the same as the beta edition. With the
NVidia thing, they should be running nightly regressions to
check that older WDDM continue to work. (So the Win10 on this
machine can work! Thanks.)

And when Avast or CCleaner installs don't quite work right (stuff
that's presumably under active development), that just smells bad.
The company involved has access to 19041 for internal usage, and
could be dealing with changes on what is presumed to be a "frozen"
release. The release number does not stay at 19041 as a joke.
If they're doing new builds, then this should be reflected
in the build number being advanced.

If they did it properly, then we'd know *why* it's like this.
As the bumped build number would tell you "whoa, untested stuff",
just like is happening in practice.

There's something about the way the cake is made, which isn't
right.

And the problems with Always On device (perhaps S0ic ACPI option),
now why is that changing at the last minute ? ACPI behavior should
be frozen into the 19041 release freeze, it shouldn't be something
where "lets just pour in these code changes at the last minute,
untested, and release". I can't see the profit in pouring
untested ACPI code into *anything*. That's nuts.

Generally, the spectrum of problems does not indicate good curation
or buildmeistering.

What the hell is the point of "testing since December", if you
have no discipline ? Just admit you have no discipline, and set
the fucking build number accordingly. At least then, the numerical
evidence will match the experience, versus the symptoms being
"such a mystery, aliens did it". Well, I don't think ET messed
up their SOic code (that's something I don't have in the
computer room fortunately, you Surface customers enjoy
yourselves :-) )

Paul

Arlen Holder

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Jun 2, 2020, 11:54:05 AM6/2/20
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On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 15:33:05 -0400, Paul wrote:

> But it's the same old problem it's always been. What they ship in
> May, bears no resemblance to what staff are dogfooding or what
> Insiders test.
>
> The testing platforms are to check "active areas of development".
> "Does my new spinning Cortana icon look nice?" That's what the
> testing determines.

Hi Paul,

I spent decades in software (among other things) in the Silicon Valley,
where you seem to have an excellent handle on the problem of hundreds to
thousands of developers, rolling up at different times into what QA then
has to test, after the fact, as a "release" (where the developers instantly
move on to the "next" release, well before the "release" is released!).
a. The checks are mostly on the newly released code, often in a vacuum.
b. R&D is constantly slipping in code changes up until code freeze date.
c. They test on a "common platform" for consistency (i.e., drivers).

By the time they actually release, R&D is often months ahead on the stuff
which they started working on the day after code freeze.
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It's always the same with monolithic software... there's nothing new...

Yousuf Khan

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Jun 2, 2020, 4:35:53 PM6/2/20
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On 5/31/2020 7:40 PM, Boris wrote:
> It opens up Windows Live Mail, my default email client.
>
> Firefox has 'Email link...' in it's File menu, as does little sister
> Waterfox.
>
> The old Edge, upon clicking 'Share', presents only Windows 10 Mail, some
> social media account, or a Microsoft app, none of which I need/want. I
> wonder if the new Edge is enough Chromium-like that if there's no 'Email
> link', it may accept the type configuration that SRWare and Brave accept.

Since it's being customized by Microsoft, I'm sure Microsoft wants you
to keep using their own email client, so they would likely configure it
to at least go to Microsoft's clients by default.

Yousuf Khan

Boris

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Jun 2, 2020, 7:56:03 PM6/2/20
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Yousuf Khan <bbb...@spammenot.yahoo.com> wrote in
news:4NmdnY0UGcG_JUvD...@giganews.com:
No doubt, but since it's more Chromium-like, I'd like to hear from
someone who may have tried the above on the new version, since the older
Edge version is limited to Microsoft products for email. In other words,
is it possible to configure the Chromium-like Edge to use a non-Microsoft
email client as the default email client?

Arlen Holder

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Jun 5, 2020, 3:25:03 AM6/5/20
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UPDATE:
o *How to Quickly Remove Windows 10's v2004 New Cortana App*
<https://lifehacker.com/how-to-quickly-remove-windows-10s-new-cortana-app-1843906742>

To prevent Window 10 v2004 Cortana from starting up at boot:
(1) Control+Shift+Escape will open up the Windows Task Manager
(2) Click the "Startup" tab & then right-click on "Cortana"
(3) Select "Disable" from the available options

To delete the Windows 10 v2004 Cortana app:
(1) Win+R > powershell{control+shift+enter} <== opens as administrator
(2) Get-AppxPackage -allusers Microsoft.549981C3F5F10 | Remove-AppxPackage

To stop showing of the now-dead Cortana button in the Windows taskbar:
(1) Right-click on the Windows taskbar
(2) Uncheck the "Show Cortana button" option
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Usenet is a public helpdesk where adults purposefully help each other.

Arlen Holder

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Jun 10, 2020, 11:29:50 AM6/10/20
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UPDATE

Microsoft & Lenovo are working together on their v2004 install issues...
o Windows 10 May 2020 Update is causing big problems for some Lenovo laptops
<https://www.techradar.com/news/windows-10-may-2020-update-is-causing-big-problems-for-some-lenovo-laptops>

If you have a Lenovo, then they suggest a bunch of workarounds, e.g.,
Synaptics ThinkPad UltraNav driver issue
Lenovo has found that some of its devices are showing an error message that
says 'Failed to load Apoint.DLL, Alps Pointing device application has
stopped' when users try to use the system recovery feature.

According to Lenovo, to fix the problem do the following:

Open Device Manager.
Expand 'Mice and other pointing devices'.
Select 'Think UltraNav device'.
Right-click on it and update driver to the latest version.
Restart your computer.
--
That's just one of them, as the cite contains more if you need them.

Roy Smith

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Jun 11, 2020, 6:30:57 AM6/11/20
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Short answer, no you can't. I've been using the chromium base Edge ever
since the Beta version was opened to the public back in November 2018. I
really like it, but that's one thing that I've complained about and
apparently those complaints fell on deaf ears.

--

Roy Smith
Thursday, June 11, 2020, 5:30 AM
Windows 10 Pro, Thunderbird 68.9.0

Boris

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Jun 11, 2020, 1:37:56 PM6/11/20
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Roy Smith <rasmi...@live.com> wrote in
news:rbt14s$7bi$1...@dont-email.me:
Oh, well. Now I know. Thanks.

Arlen Holder

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Jun 13, 2020, 9:42:13 PM6/13/20
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UPDATE:
o Microsoft's latest Windows 10 updates come with nasty printer bugs
They render certain printers unable to print.
<https://www.engadget.com/microsofts-windows-10-updates-printer-bugs-000112943.html>

"the issue affects various HP, Canon, Panasonic, Brother and Ricoh
printer models. Some users even reported being unable to print
files as PDFs."

Eric Stevens

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Jun 14, 2020, 5:58:49 AM6/14/20
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My Epson ET-4700 all in one printer suddenly stopped being able to
scan to PDFs. Updating the firmware seemed to fix that.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

Arlen Holder

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Jun 14, 2020, 6:51:04 PM6/14/20
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UPDATE
"Cannot create new Storage Space. Error (0x00000057):
The parameter is incorrect."

Windows 10 May 2020 Update bug hits Storage Spaces, Defrag tool
<https://www.windowslatest.com/2020/06/13/windows-10-may-2020-update-bug-hits-storage-spaces-defrag-tool/>

Windows 10 May 2020 Update is causing major hard drive management issues
<https://mspoweruser.com/the-windows-10-may-2020-update-may-be-causing-major-hard-drive-management-issues/>
"Windows 10 2004 appears to have multiple issues with hard disk
drive management"

Arlen Holder

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Jun 16, 2020, 9:55:43 AM6/16/20
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UPDATE:
"Edge and Chrome bugs add to people's problems
after installing the new Windows 10 version 2004"

"The browser issues on Windows 10 2004 add to a pile of problems
already discovered with incompatible Intel, Nvidia and Realtek
drivers, and last week two apparently separate printer problems
surfaced. "

o *Windows 10 2004 issues: Now browser bugs hit*
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-2004-issues-now-browser-bugs-hit-edge-startup-launches-chrome-sign-outs/>

"Microsoft is investigating a bug that causes Chromium-based Edge to
automatically launch when Windows 10 version 2004 starts up"

"users keep getting signed out of Chrome and forced to sign back in"

"Firefox users are also reporting the browser is crashing
after installing Windows 10 2004"

"There's also a compatibility hold on Windows 10 2004 for several
Surface devices, which will remain in place for several more weeks"

Arlen Holder

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Jun 23, 2020, 12:39:05 AM6/23/20
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UPDATE:

For ISO burning size information, see this thread from today:
o *2004 iso 4.9 GB?, by T*
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/TpWzRdZ7/2004-iso-4-9-gb>
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Arlen Holder

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Jun 26, 2020, 8:14:56 PM6/26/20
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UPDATE: (dateline today)

In Win10 v 2004...
"Microsoft has quietly reduced the amount of time Windows 10 Pro,
Enterprise, and Education users can manually delay updates,
from 365 days to just 35 days, which is the current amount of time
Home users have."

"Business users can still defer updates via the Group Policy setting."

"According to Microsoft, this change is intentional."
--
o Microsoft Kills One of Its Best Windows 10 Update Loopholes
<https://gizmodo.com/microsoft-kills-one-of-its-best-windows-10-update-looph-1844180993>
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