VanguardLH <V...@nguard.LH> wrote:

> A lot less hassle if you had not lost the install CD for Office 2007.
> If you ever find it, make a duplicate and store elsewhere.

I agree, but it's nice to let people know that Microsoft will literally
download, install, and activate the Office 2007 Pro software for you.

Now my main problem is how to get Microsoft to recover the Windows 10 Pro
their Windows Update bricked.

http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/support_email.jpg

Mike S

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I like saving ISOs in 2 locations.

Mike S

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Are you saying Windows physically damaged your hdd, or is it possible
you could simply no longer boot from it?

If it's a boot issue you might try doing a startup repair, system
restore, or Reset the PC (keeps personal files).
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_install-winpc/boot-from-dvdusb-to-repair-windows-10/cd11a835-bbf4-484e-8e29-bf384a45ec44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4rp--5xWSg

Or if that doesn't work you can download a w10 ISO to burn to a DVD
(free), boot from it, and run the Startup Repair that way. Once you boot
windows you can run setup.exe on the DVD and reinstall all system files
while keeping your programs, settings and data intact.
https://wccftech.com/create-bootable-windows-10-dvd/

Shadow

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Feb 24, 2018, 10:37:29 AM2/24/18

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On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 16:27:57 -0800, ultred ragnusen
<ult...@ragnusen.com> wrote:

>And then he went to the canonical location for Microsoft Office 2007 Pro,
>which he said is a public address on the "wayback"
>machine that is for anyone to use (but I redacted a few bits just in case I
>understood him wrong).

>http://web.archive.org/web/20120111xxxxxx/http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent.net/msoffice/pub/X12-30196/X12-30196.exe

Hopeless, no resume and all downloads stop after 100-200MB

Looks like he installed the original (more) buggy 2007
version.
The last (less buggy) version (from 2011) was X16-69453.exe

I found it here:

http://msassist.com/files/MSOffice/2007/Pro/X16-69453.exe

Checksums appear to be OK.
Dunno, using stuff from M$ is risky.....
(I use LibreOffice)
[]'s
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Mike S <ms...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Are you saying Windows physically damaged your hdd, or is it possible
> you could simply no longer boot from it?

There is absolutely no doubt (based on my tests) that the HDD is undamaged
and that the only problem is that an errant Microsoft Windows 10 update
bricked the operating system.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/win10update_010.jpg

> If it's a boot issue you might try doing a startup repair, system
> restore, or Reset the PC (keeps personal files).
> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_install-winpc/boot-from-dvdusb-to-repair-windows-10/cd11a835-bbf4-484e-8e29-bf384a45ec44
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4rp--5xWSg

Trust me, since 6:29am on the 25th of January, I have spent umpteen hours
running all the possible options that come up in the default Microsoft
Windows 10 recovery console, as had Microsoft telephone tier 2 tech support
at +1-800-642-7676.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/system_restore.jpg

That was the last time I was able to boot...where three days in a row, the
Windows 10 Update failed, and when the PC booted overnight, it never came
back.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/startup_repair.jpg

> Or if that doesn't work you can download a w10 ISO to burn to a DVD
> (free), boot from it, and run the Startup Repair that way.

The Microsoft level2 tech created a Windows 10 DVD on a good Windows 10
machine but the repair (see bottom left) didn't work.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/win10dvd_repair.jpg

> Once you boot
> windows you can run setup.exe on the DVD and reinstall all system files
> while keeping your programs, settings and data intact.

> https://wccftech.com/create-bootable-windows-10-dvd/'

Thanks for the advice, but Windows bricked itself, where we tried resetting
the OS using the recovery console.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/reset_pc_02.jpg

It failed.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/reset_pc_04.jpg

Currently, I'm working with the various suggested recovery mechanisms:
* TestDisk
* Recuva
* PhotoRec
* DDRescue
* Knoppix
etc.

...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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Shadow wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 16:27:57 -0800, ultred ragnusen
> <ult...@ragnusen.com> wrote:
>
>> And then he went to the canonical location for Microsoft Office 2007 Pro,
>> which he said is a public address on the "wayback"
>> machine that is for anyone to use (but I redacted a few bits just in case I
>> understood him wrong).
>
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20120111xxxxxx/http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent.net/msoffice/pub/X12-30196/X12-30196.exe
>
> Hopeless, no resume and all downloads stop after 100-200MB
>
> Looks like he installed the original (more) buggy 2007
> version.
>

The link worked fine in IE, Edge, and SeaMonkey

X12-30196.exe from the above link
388 MB or 397,472 KB
Serial No. 61469ecb000400000065
Digital Signature Oct. 2006 indicates the RTM version(which would
require SP3 to bring up to date).
O2K7 SP3 =>
<https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=27838>

Also, temporarily restored a clean/no other software Win10 Pro 1709
16299.125 image to a few months old 8th gen i7 device and O2K7 Pro
installed and activated fine using a valid, no longer needed, never used
O2K7 Pro Product key.

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Shadow

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Have you ever thought about dual booting ?
You could have a simple Linux Dist ( Mint or even Debian) on a
partition and boot into that when your "favorite" OS fails.

Shadow

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On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:31:37 -0700, ...w♂妤比 <winst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Shadow wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 16:27:57 -0800, ultred ragnusen
>> <ult...@ragnusen.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And then he went to the canonical location for Microsoft Office 2007 Pro,
>>> which he said is a public address on the "wayback"
>>> machine that is for anyone to use (but I redacted a few bits just in case I
>>> understood him wrong).
>>
>>> http://web.archive.org/web/20120111xxxxxx/http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent.net/msoffice/pub/X12-30196/X12-30196.exe
>>
>> Hopeless, no resume and all downloads stop after 100-200MB
>>
>> Looks like he installed the original (more) buggy 2007
>> version.
>>
>The link worked fine in IE, Edge, and SeaMonkey

Well, I tried uGet, Firefox and cURL ....
Glad to hear it worked for you.
It's still the older non-patched version though ...
[]'s

>
>X12-30196.exe from the above link
> 388 MB or 397,472 KB
>Serial No. 61469ecb000400000065
>Digital Signature Oct. 2006 indicates the RTM version(which would
>require SP3 to bring up to date).
> O2K7 SP3 =>
><https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=27838>
>
>
>Also, temporarily restored a clean/no other software Win10 Pro 1709
>16299.125 image to a few months old 8th gen i7 device and O2K7 Pro
>installed and activated fine using a valid, no longer needed, never used
>O2K7 Pro Product key.
--

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Shadow <S...@dow.br> wrote:

> Have you ever thought about dual booting ?
> You could have a simple Linux Dist ( Mint or even Debian) on a
> partition and boot into that when your "favorite" OS fails.

In the future, I'm going to be more careful about forcing a DVD-sized
directory size, which is really what slows me down on backing up data since
a 4.7GB DVD only holds, realistically, about 4.3GB to 4.l4 GB of data but
my data hierarchy is always larger than that. So by forcing a 4.3GB
directory size, I'll not have to dance with DVDs at backup time (yes, I
know all about USB drives - but they're less reliable than is DVD,
particularly from Microsoft-induced corruption when you remove them without
shutting them down (ask me how I know this)).

So the first part of the plan moving forward is to set up a dozen 4.3GB
limited directories, which can be backed up easily to DVD once they're
filled.

The second part of the plan, moving forward, is to fall back to the tricks
during the old days of unreliable Windows, where I'll format a C: partition
of about 100GB, which should suffice for the operating system mandatory
stuff.

Then I'll put all my "stuff" (programs, data, and menus) on the D: drive.

I've done the GRUB dual-boot stuff with Linux in the past, but I find
myself booting to Windows most of the time, where a VirtualBox Ubuntu works
just fine for when I need Linux (e.g., for file manipulation).

Since in an emergency I can boot to a Knoppix DVD to recover my Windows
data when Windows screws itself up, I don't see much of an advantage of
having the Linux GRUB method always slowing down the boot process. But it's
a good idea if I used Linux more often these days. I might try it again
because, if I use Ubuntu, I'm told the latest release finally ditched the
Unity abomination, so I won't have to set up KDE again (where KDE is
fantastically powerful, but it's a lot of settings to deal with).

I have an appointment with Microsoft Geniuses (or whatever they're called)
this week to have them look at the system, where the technical support
people have 'promised' that they know more than we do (we'll see, as my
experience at the Apple Genius Bar is that they know a lot less than we do
when it comes to troubleshooting).

I'll let you know, but I've saved all the data except the few dozen files
(almost all of which are photos) which have "splicing" errors when I mount
the HDD in Knoppix.

J. P. Gilliver (John)

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In message <p71i0c$do2$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, ultred ragnusen
<ult...@ragnusen.com> writes:
[]

>So the first part of the plan moving forward is to set up a dozen 4.3GB
>limited directories, which can be backed up easily to DVD once they're
>filled.

[]
How do you set up a directory that will limit itself in size - or do you
mean you will manually monitor them?
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on somebody's part." "We're just the guys to do it." Eric "Otter" Stratton (Tim
Matheson) and John "Bluto" Blutarsky (John Belushi) - N. L's Animal House
(1978)

Paul

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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> In message <p71i0c$do2$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, ultred ragnusen
> <ult...@ragnusen.com> writes:
> []
>> So the first part of the plan moving forward is to set up a dozen 4.3GB
>> limited directories, which can be backed up easily to DVD once they're
>> filled.
> []
> How do you set up a directory that will limit itself in size - or do you
> mean you will manually monitor them?

A more important question is *why* you're doing that.

You can back up using regular backup software, and
make the folder or file any size you like.

Then, using 7ZIP (or other ZIP packages also have this feature),
you can make a .zip or .7z in "Store" mode. That means no
compression and it's almost like the file is just a TAR
(tape archive) style of file.

Next, look for a tick box in the interface, that says
it's going to "segment" the .zip . It will make .zip.01
.zip.02 .zip.03, and each file is no larger than the limit
you set. If you made them "DVD size", then each file would
be suitable for tossing onto a DVD.

Later, you copy them off into a staging folder,
and "unzip" them creating a monolithic folder
or file you started with.

You're not forced to use software that segments
and writes to DVD as your only tool. You can do
hard drive style backups, and segment them as
a separate step, then transfer to DVD.

For maximum flexibility, it helps to have a large
hard drive, to "massage" data in this way, and
change it to suit the situation.

And you don't have to use DVD either. Bluray
are available in 25GB and 100GB size. There's
even an MDisc version of 100GB BR storage media.
But you'll have to be a rich guy to afford media
like that, as the manufacturer has decreed that
even though the manufacturing cost is the same, the
media (byte for byte) must be as expensive as DVD.
You could easily end up spending $100 to back up
a small hard drive doing that. DVD has the advantage
of granularity, but also with the need to "keep
flippin the discs in" to finish the job. Which
I find... maddening.

Paul

Shadow

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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:00:46 -0800, ultred ragnusen
<ult...@ragnusen.com> wrote:

>Shadow <S...@dow.br> wrote:
>
>> Have you ever thought about dual booting ?
>> You could have a simple Linux Dist ( Mint or even Debian) on a
>> partition and boot into that when your "favorite" OS fails.
>
>In the future, I'm going to be more careful about forcing a DVD-sized
>directory size, which is really what slows me down on backing up data since
>a 4.7GB DVD only holds, realistically, about 4.3GB to 4.l4 GB of data but
>my data hierarchy is always larger than that. So by forcing a 4.3GB
>directory size, I'll not have to dance with DVDs at backup time (yes, I
>know all about USB drives - but they're less reliable than is DVD,
>particularly from Microsoft-induced corruption when you remove them without
>shutting them down (ask me how I know this)).

AOMEI Backupper allows you to choose the size of the backup
files when you do a system backup, and you can choose DVD size. Since
they use (optional) compression, a HD with 10 -15 GB of files on it
would probably fit onto 2 DVDs.
It's free. Give it a try.

ultred ragnusen

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Monty <mo...@home.invalid> wrote:

> I don't have confidence in using restore points - I won't torture
> myself trying to remember why; it was many tears ago.

I agree that the restore points that I had, were not found by Windows 10
recovery anyway, so the restore points turned out to be useless.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/27/restore_gui_1.jpg

> For a number of years I have relied on 3rd party backup programs. In
> recent years, I have been using AOMEI Backupper Pro.

I really should just learn how to rsync on Windows.

That's all I really need since I don't care to back up the operating system
or the programs, all of which can easily be re-installed.

All I care about is my data.

> Before doing any updates to Windows, I make a backup and store it on a
> separate hard drive. If my PC won't boot after an update, I resort to
> either of two options, depending on what I think may be wrong:
>
> 1. Repair the MBR.
>
> 2. Restore my PC from the backup.

The local Silicon Valley Microsoft Retail Store had my PC for a couple of
days, where they tried everything they could on their side, to no avail.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/27/ms_retail_store_1.jpg

>
> And I DO NOT rely on Microsoft repair options.

The retail store ran a full diagnostic (they said) which tested the HDD and
the memory and the motherboard, all of which passed. The only problem was
the Windows 10 Pro update in January bricked the operating system, which
they say they see happening at least once a day at this store in the middle
of Silicon Valley.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/27/ms_retail_store_5.jpg

Interestingly, it's directly across the hall from the Apple store.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/27/apple_retail_store_1.jpg

The Microasoft geniuses don't know any more than do the Apple geniuses
though, because never have either one ever fixed anything I've brought to
them - although the Microsoft store is twice the size of the Apple Store
and they feed you too! :)
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/27/ms_retail_store_6.jpg

> Did you have a separate backup or were you relying on a restore point
> for recovery?

Unfortunately, I was lulled into complacency by the reliability of MS
Windows of late, but it was a false security.

Still, I torrented Knoppix before I gave the PC to Microsoft to fix.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/knoppix2.jpg

So I already backed up most of the data using Knoppix before I gave the
desktop to the Microsoft Store, with only this minor error on Knoppix for
some files.
Error splicing file: Value too large for defined data type
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/knoppix_error_01.jpg
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/knoppix_error_02.jpg

But that might just be a bug in Knoppix 8.1, because I stopped off at Fryes
on my way home to pick up an SATA III cable and a molex-to-SATA power
connector so that I could mount both terabyte HDDs in the tower.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/27/sata_cables_1.jpg

That allowed me to see /both/ terabyte HDDs when I booted to the new one.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/27/boot_device_2.jpg

Since I don't care at all about the programs or the operating system, all I
need to copy safely over is the data.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/27/mounted_file_system8f091.jpg

I already copied the data (using Knoppix) but I will likely make a second
copy with Windows since it was only the operating system that was bricked
by the MS Windows 10 Pro update.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/27/mounted_file_system_2.jpg

In the end, I will have two almost empty terabyte hard disk drives, so I'll
probably either make one Linux and the other Windows or just RAID them
(although I've never RAIDed anything before).

ultred ragnusen

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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JP...@255soft.uk> wrote:

> How do you set up a directory that will limit itself in size - or do you
> mean you will manually monitor them?

Never manual!
That's the whole point - to avoid any manual directory sizing!

The easiest way to limit a directory to a DVD size is to create a virtual
disk drive using any virtualization software you want to use.

I know how to use Veracrypt, so that's what I use to limit the size of each
alphabetical virtual drive to a DVD disc size, but even Windows has
virtualization software (it's just harder to use than is Veracrypt).

With Veracrypt, you can quite easily create as many 4.3GB or 4.4GB
container files as there are letters in the alphabet, each of which
"mounts" as a drive letter on Windows.

For example, I have more than a dozen virtual drives, but I just mounted X:
Y: and Z: for you for this screenshot (where you'll note I was
experimenting with size limits of 4.2GB, 4.3GB, 4.4GB, 4.5GB, and 4.6GB).
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/27/veracrypt_virtual_drive.jpg

It's trivial to create a virtual disk in Veracrypt, but you can also create
them with VirtualBox or any other virtualization software.

I happen to like Veracrypt (same as Truecrypt) because it's so easy to use
and it's designed exactly for this purpose.

You don't have to encrypt it, but encryption is a bonus if you want the
encryption. Truecrypt did the same thing if you're happy with that
software.

ultred ragnusen

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Paul <nos...@needed.invalid> wrote:

> A more important question is *why* you're doing that.

You have to remember that I'm not backing up what /most/ people back up.
Most people back up the "image" and they back it up to a large HDD of some
sort.

I'm backing up individual data files, and they go to a DVD disc.

For me, rsync would work just fine, and in fact, some day, I'll figure out
what works like rsync on Windows since that's the most efficient.

> You can back up using regular backup software, and
> make the folder or file any size you like.

Nope. The last thing I want is to have /multiple/ discs where I've been
though that drill of one third your stuff on disc 1 and one third on disc 2
and one third on disc 3 where you have to pop in all the discs just to find
what you're lookign for, and Lord help you if you lose one of the discs in
the sequence as the entire sequence is screwed up.

Maybe the software is better nowadays, but I simply want to back up stuff
to DVD /WITHOUT/ having to worry about it spilling over from disc1 to
disc2.

The easiest way to do that, AFAIK, is to keep the data in separate 4.3GB
directories, where the directory can be backed up to its own DVD disc.

> Then, using 7ZIP (or other ZIP packages also have this feature),
> you can make a .zip or .7z in "Store" mode. That means no
> compression and it's almost like the file is just a TAR
> (tape archive) style of file.

I'm sick of compressed files not uncompressing when you need them.
I'm an old man. I am sick of all the fancy solutions.
I want to keep it simple. KISS simple.

One directory, one DVD.

> Next, look for a tick box in the interface, that says
> it's going to "segment" the .zip .

Yikes. That's exactly what I wish to avoid.

> It will make .zip.01
> .zip.02 .zip.03, and each file is no larger than the limit
> you set. If you made them "DVD size", then each file would
> be suitable for tossing onto a DVD.

Yuck. You don't know how many times I've been burned by crap like that.

> Later, you copy them off into a staging folder,
> and "unzip" them creating a monolithic folder
> or file you started with.

It's been a long time since I deallt with stitching files back together.
Been there. Done that. Don't wanna ever do it again. :)

> You're not forced to use software that segments
> and writes to DVD as your only tool. You can do
> hard drive style backups, and segment them as
> a separate step, then transfer to DVD.

Nope. I don't want anything manual other than the minimum, which, with my
KISS method, is simply that Windows won't let me put more than a DVD's
amount of data into any directory as shown in this screenshot I just made
to show X: Y: and Z: drives, each limited to DVD sizes (where I was
experimenting with the final size).
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/27/veracrypt_virtual_drive.jpg

> For maximum flexibility, it helps to have a large
> hard drive, to "massage" data in this way, and
> change it to suit the situation.

At the moment, since the original terabyte HDD had its OS bricked by
Microsoft, I now have two terabyte HDDs, so I have more space than I know
what to do with, so I might look up how to RAID them.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/27/mounted_file_system_2.jpg

> And you don't have to use DVD either. Bluray
> are available in 25GB and 100GB size.

I'm fine with low tech DVD. I don't have a blueray burner, although the
grandkids have a playstation 3 that I think is blueray in the game room.

> There's
> even an MDisc version of 100GB BR storage media.

DVD is old and reliable. We all tried those blue zip drives in the days of
old, and we can't read ANY of it nowadays.

> But you'll have to be a rich guy to afford media
> like that, as the manufacturer has decreed that
> even though the manufacturing cost is the same, the
> media (byte for byte) must be as expensive as DVD.

DVD is about 25 cents a disc, as I recall - which is fine by me.
The real thing is that I don't want fancy (like those zip contraptions we
all used in the past) which just don't work ten years from now. Nor hard
disc drives that will fail in the future or need proprietary power cords.

Been there too many times and lost the bet too many times already.
Nothing fancy for me.
Just old style DVDs.

> You could easily end up spending $100 to back up
> a small hard drive doing that. DVD has the advantage
> of granularity, but also with the need to "keep
> flippin the discs in" to finish the job. Which
> I find... maddening.

That's why I keep one directory to a DVD size.
When the directory gets full, I back it up.
Or so I should! :)

ultred ragnusen

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Shadow <S...@dow.br> wrote:

> AOMEI Backupper allows you to choose the size of the backup
> files when you do a system backup, and you can choose DVD size. Since
> they use (optional) compression, a HD with 10 -15 GB of files on it
> would probably fit onto 2 DVDs.
> It's free. Give it a try.

Sounds like a good tool, but I'd have to check if it uses any proprietary
compression formats, which I'm sick of, having been burned hundreds of
times in my lifetime with proprietary formats.

https://www.backup-utility.com/free-backup-software.html\

AOMEI Backupper Standard 4.0.6
https://www.backup-utility.com/download.html

ultred ragnusen

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Feb 27, 2018, 12:50:58 AM2/27/18

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"...w♂妤比" <winst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The link worked fine in IE, Edge, and SeaMonkey
>
> X12-30196.exe from the above link
> 388 MB or 397,472 KB
> Serial No. 61469ecb000400000065
> Digital Signature Oct. 2006 indicates the RTM version(which would
> require SP3 to bring up to date).
> O2K7 SP3 =>
> <https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=27838>

Since I had redacted some of the characters, I'm curious, how did you get
the link that MS used for me to work for you? (And why does it time out of
me when I try it now?)

http://msft.digitalrivercontent.net/01/209774629-10300055--NOA//office2010/X16-69453.exe
http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent.net/01/32000519-3082940-O12SBATR-NOA/msoffice/pub/X12-30283/X12-30283.exe

ultred ragnusen

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Shadow <S...@dow.br> wrote:

> Well, I tried uGet, Firefox and cURL ....
> Glad to hear it worked for you.
> It's still the older non-patched version though ...

None of the Microsoft-provided URLs worked for me just now using IE (which
is what they used).

ultred ragnusen

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Shadow <S...@dow.br> wrote:

>>http://web.archive.org/web/20120111xxxxxx/http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent.net/msoffice/pub/X12-30196/X12-30196.exe
>
> Hopeless, no resume and all downloads stop after 100-200MB

I redacted some of the characters because I wasn't sure if it was a URL for
just me, but now that I know the URL is generic, this is the URL he used.
http://web.archive.org/web/20120111100736/http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent.net/msoffice/pub/X12-30196/X12-30196.exe

> Looks like he installed the original (more) buggy 2007
> version.
> The last (less buggy) version (from 2011) was X16-69453.exe
> I found it here:
>
> http://msassist.com/files/MSOffice/2007/Pro/X16-69453.exe

I don't know what the numbers mean, so may I ask what's the difference
between
- X12-30196.exe
- X16-69453.exe

> Checksums appear to be OK.

Here is my checksum from the download you kindly provided (from msassist).
How do I know it's right?

---------------------------
Checksum information
---------------------------
Name: X16-69453.exe
Size: 169064886 bytes (161 MB)

CRC32: 187C16BB

CRC64: F20D53361E92C35B

SHA256: 1593ECCB15D6B50A4FDAA1CB9C8FEC51B107CB3E99D59C1DCDD13F95D372DCDA

SHA1: EA2A8AA5C528CEB3BAAA76F46B0A6B113561947B

BLAKE2sp: 312C5DD3B336A932C9D6A9BF19A494CF7E5A1D8A3F6647977C3B26672D2F98A1

---------------------------
OK
---------------------------

Paul

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The numbers are part of labeling Stock Keeping Units.

Software is available for a number of languages or countries.

For example, a person in the US and a person in Canada, get
different media for OS installs when buying an OS at the store.
When I seen an item for sale, that lists something like that, I
try to trace down whether it's actually meant for my country
or not.

*******

As for your checksums, I ran a few on Virustotal.com and got no match.
I tried Google (who owns Virustotal) and got no match there either.
The software in question could have been repacked by someone.

Using your link, I started that msassist download too, and the
file is larger than 161MB. I got

X16-69453.exe 420,496,200 bytes
SHA256: EF7A104E2CD4A75B5EF1CBBDC7D0F51B26DDEEFFF2BF0C9CF73844FC0C5D76D7
SHA1: 8AFE76D90D07B76CD651E8AF144B403F110D5328

Again, Virustotal.com didn't have it, but because fo the size, only
the side-door "well-known ISOs" can be found in a search there.

Whereas using Google search, I end up here.

http://www.nsaneforums.com/topic/271438-help-activate-microsoft-office-professional-plus-2007/

Somebody refers to those checksums as belonging to:

http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent.net/msoffice/pub/X12-30196/X12-30196.exe

You need to re-download from the msassist site, as your file is *truncated*.

Also, if you check the properties of the file you got, there
is a digital signature tab. Which is potentially, another way
to detect alteration.

Paul

ultred ragnusen

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Paul <nos...@needed.invalid> wrote:

> You need to re-download from the msassist site, as your file is *truncated*.

Thanks Paul for checking up on that data.
This is interesting, so I tried again, where you were right! Thanks!

BTW, these seem to be the URLs given, so far, for the Office 2007 Pro iso.

1. From Microsoft, but didn't work for Micrsosoft or for me.
http://msft.digitalrivercontent.net/01/209774629-10300055--NOA//office2010/X16-69453.exe

2. From Microsoft, and which is what they used, but it no longer works for
me.
http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent.net/01/32000519-3082940-O12SBATR-NOA/msoffice/pub/X12-30283/X12-30283.exe

3. I don't remember who posted this link:
http://web.archive.org/web/20120111100736/http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent.net/msoffice/pub/X12-30196/X12-30196.exe

4. From Shadow (see checksums from the second attempt below)
http://msassist.com/files/MSOffice/2007/Pro/X16-69453.exe

5. From Paul:
http://msassist.com/files/MSOffice/2007/Pro/X16-69453.exe

6. From Paul:
http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent.net/msoffice/pub/X12-30196/X12-30196.exe

Here are the checksums from the Shadow download #4 above (the second time).

---------------------------
Checksum information
---------------------------
Name: X16-69453.exe

Size: 420496200 bytes (401 MB)

CRC32: C7B5CFD5

CRC64: 8CEE0C2A3CED82CD

SHA256: EF7A104E2CD4A75B5EF1CBBDC7D0F51B26DDEEFFF2BF0C9CF73844FC0C5D76D7

SHA1: 8AFE76D90D07B76CD651E8AF144B403F110D5328

BLAKE2sp: 5AADD6C47870D8160AEA94A22B8D4F3E57E59154ED5AE2A8AEA39F76163AEF41

---------------------------
OK
---------------------------

Paul

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I didn't originate any of those links.

I just double checked on the hunch that the Office
file seemed "a little small". Usually Microsoft puts
more materials on their media, even if the "filler"
is a video or something.

Normally, I'd use Heidoc, but the site it pumps for the
files is retiring the content, and so a lot of stuff
is just gone. That happened in only the last few months.

DigitalRiver (a private company), the deal with Microsoft
was shut down some number of years ago. You cannot expect
the links from that era to remain functional. Whereas
an archive.org link could indeed have captured content,
but to avoid big bandwidth bills, they will sometimes
review the capture and remove stuff like that. Actually,
I'm quite surprised anything on the DigitalRiver site
would make it into archive.org because of Norobots.txt.
A commercial site, selling software, shouldn't really be
running without a Norobots.txt "showing in the window".

And downloading from random sites is OK, as long as you
have a relatively strong correlation signal that the
checksums are real. At one time, MDL used to have lists
of checksums. Or MSDN subscription site had MD5 in the
window for people to see (it took a while for them to
switch to SHA1). But they removed those hashes in an
attempt to reduce the trustworthiness of MSDN redistributed
content (so people Torrenting could no longer look
on the Microsoft site and verify the file really
was legit). It's just a wee bit harder today to vet
stuff, than several years ago. MDL hides some of their
posts (holds them in "members only" status), so Microsoft
cannot see what they're talking about. Plenty of paranoia
to go around, that's for sure.

Paul

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Shadow <S...@dow.br> wrote:

> It's what I do to backup my p0Rn. But I use TrueCrypt. I'm not
> the sharing kind. Let the NSA research their own p0Rn.

I've found this to be the easiest way to create dvd-sized mount points:
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/27/dvd-sized-mount-points.jpg

However, I've tried a few other ways to create DVD-sized mount points:
- Partitions (not easily changed)
- Quotas (too difficult to manage)
- Virtual disks (too difficult to manage)
- Container files (easy to change & easy to manage)

What I love about Truecrypt/Veracrypt (yes, not exactly the same, but the
user interface is, AFAICR, almost exactly the same) is that the GUI walks
you through the creation of DVD-sized mount points (which makes KISS manual
backing up larger-than-DVD amounts of data to dvd infinitely easier).

This is the only setup step, which is done once per size-limited volume.
1) Start Veracrypt & press "Create Volume"
2) Keep the default "Create an encrypted file container" & hit "Next"
3) Keep the default "Standard VeraCrypt volume" & hit "Next"
4) Click "Select File" to browse anywhere you like on your system
5) Type a new "File name:", e.g., C:\data\backup\discs\bck_disc01.hc
6) Hit "Save" & then "Next" & then "Next" again
7) For "Volume Size", enter "4300" and select "MB" & hit "Next"
8) For "Volume Password", enter & confirm the "space" key (or whatever)
9) Hit "Next" & press "Yes" when asked if you really want a short passwd
10) When asked if you intend to store "Large Files", keep "No" & hit "Next"
11) Randomly move the mouse, or just hit "Format"
12) Wait for a success message & hit "OK"

Note that the file name is completely arbitrary, but if it ends with *.tc
or *.hc, doubleclicking on the file will bring up VeraCrypt by default
where simply selecting a drive letter (e.g., "Z:") and entering a "space"
will mount it as its own drive.

Right-clicking "Properties" on that "Z:" drive shows:
Type: Removable Disk
File system: FAT32 (it would be NTFS if you selected large files)
Used space: 12,288 bytes (12.0KB)
Free space: 4,499,791,872 bytes (4.19GB)
Capacity: 4,499,791,872 bytes (4.19GB)

Note that we keep it below the 4.7GB limit of a normal-sized DVD.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/27/dvd-sized-mount-points.jpg

If you know of a better (easier, more efficient) way to create DVD-sized
mount points, let us all know, as it's a useful skill to have in your back
pocket.

ultred ragnusen

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Paul <nos...@needed.invalid> wrote:

> OK, so that's the 16299 Upgrade from Nov 2017 or so.
> The release is 1709 (September) but the release date
> is mid-October, and I think I installed that in
> early November (no problems to report). My Insider Editions
> also received it - the Insider and the Release version
> cross paths on Upgrades like that, and then the Insider
> diverges again, to higher Release numbers.

Thanks for figuring out that the upgrade that bricked me was the 16299
Upgrade from November 2017 (1709 release).

I looked back at all my failed updates where the release I think I was on
at the time of the bricking was in my log files as:
. Check your OS version:
Start > Settings > PC Settings > System > About
Windows 10 Pro Version 1511 OS Build 10586.1106

I'm not quite sure exactly what happened, but I think this was the
sequence.

1. I had Windows 10 Pro set up to never update ever again (and it worked).
2. Windows 10 Pro was just fine, stuck at Version 1511 OS Build 10586.1106
3. All subsequent updates failed, but automatically backed themselves out
4. The 16299 Upgrade from Nov 2017 failed, but didn't back itself out

I think that's what happened, but I'm not totally sure because all I know
is that my machine never updated, which was fine by me, but I don't
remember which setting that did that as I had changed them all.

ultred ragnusen

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Shadow <S...@dow.br> wrote:

> matches yours, but I have no idea if it's legit.

Thanks for checking the checksums.
I'll burn it to DVD and write on it to only use in emergencies.

Thanks!

Shadow

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I use TrueCrypt with 4482269 kilobytes, which is 4589843456
bytes, which is safe with even cheapo DVDs.
You get almost 60MB more than your way.
Not that 60MB matters much these days ....

ultred ragnusen

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Shadow <S...@dow.br> wrote:

> I use TrueCrypt with 4482269 kilobytes, which is 4589843456
> bytes, which is safe with even cheapo DVDs.
> You get almost 60MB more than your way.
> Not that 60MB matters much these days ....

Thank you Shadow for that additional empirically derived suggestion for the
optimal disc size of 4,48,2269 KB, as I'll take 60 free MB any day.

I hadn't fully tested how many MB work because 4700 MB does NOT work for
sure! So I only knew it was something between 4300 MB and 4700 MB that
would safely burn to DVD.

I just tried your helpful suggestion of 4,48,2269 KB in Veracrypt, with the
following results on the hard drive.

FAT32:
The disk drive shows up as a 4.26GB Removable Disk (Z:) where the
right-click properties on the 4.3GB drive show a capacity of 4,580,597,760
bytes.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/27/veracrypt_virtual_drive_size.jpg

NTFS:
In a quick experiment, changing only the FAT32 to NTFS, the resulting size
shows up as a 4.27GB Removable Disk (Y:) where the right click properties
on the 4.3GB drive show a capacity of 4,587,454,464 bytes.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/27/veracrypt_virtual_drive_size_ntfs.jpg

It's interesting that changing nothing but FAT32 to NTFS, we gain an
additional 6,856,704 bytes (7MB) for free.

Do you see any reason not to use these two settings moving forward for all?
1. 4482269 kilobytes
2. NTFS (versus FAT32)

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I suggest that when you mod the registry you make two Regedit files. One
with the original settings and one with your mods. Then before any MS
upgrades run the Original Regedit file. After you can run your mod file or
at least use it to compare to current registry to see what MS has done.

--
Zaidy036

Mr. Man-wai Chang

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On 24/2/2018 08:27, ultred ragnusen wrote:
> SOLVED: How to download an ISO image for Office 2007 Pro in the year 2018
> http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/23/office2007_12.jpg
>
> AFAIK, none of this is on the web, at least based on the results from my
> searches today.
>
> The situation is that my Win10 Pro HDD was bricked by a Microsoft Update
> such that I bought a new HDD and now wish to install MS Office Pro 2007
> given that I saved the 25-character product key from the old installation
> (which I wrote on the case of the computer).

If you have a valid Office 2007 product key, you could download its
installer via Micro$oft's official website.

https://products.office.com/en/download-office-2007

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Zaidy036 <Zaid...@air.isp.spam> wrote:

> I suggest that when you mod the registry you make two Regedit files. One
> with the original settings and one with your mods. Then before any MS
> upgrades run the Original Regedit file. After you can run your mod file or
> at least use it to compare to current registry to see what MS has done.

Thanks for that helpful suggestion where I understand what you're
suggesting, and where I have been keeping separate log files for the past
year or so on the modifications.

Problem is that there are now literally /hundreds/ of those log files, each
one of which is a /customization/ of Windows in some fashion.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/28/windows_setup_log_files.jpg

I think, moving forward with this new Windows 10 Pro installation, I'll try
to see if I can get used to that seemingly idiotic touch-screen default
menu (whatever it's called) so that I can customize it to be a replacement
for the simple efficient cascaded start menu of the days of old that no
longer exists (outside of classic shell customizations).
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/28/touchscreenmenu.jpg

ultred ragnusen

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Paul <nos...@needed.invalid> wrote:

>> Does Heidoc no longer work?
>> https://s3.postimg.org/jjlidxrir/heidoc_win10.gif
>
> Test it and see ?

Hi Paul ... did you notice that screenshot was one that you posted a while
ago? I was googling for how to use Heidoc, and your helpful posts came up.

> Heidoc still works, but the menu could be smaller than before.

Thanks. Had I found Heidoc before I called Microsoft Office Support, I
would have tried that - but the support guys downloaded from this digital
river archive (which doesn't work for me now).
http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent.net/01/32000519-3082940-O12SBATR-NOA/msoffice/pub/X12-30283/X12-30283.exe

ultred ragnusen

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"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If you have a valid Office 2007 product key, you could download its
> installer via Micro$oft's official website.
>
> https://products.office.com/en/download-office-2007

Hmmmmmmm.... I appreciate the help, particularly because we're now trying
to summarize for future tribal knowledge lookups, but if it was really that
simple, why did Microsoft Technical support, themselves, use this URL below
to install Microsoft Office 2007 Pro for me over the telephone?
http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent.net/01/32000519-3082940-O12SBATR-NOA/msoffice/pub/X12-30283/X12-30283.exe

Nonetheless, for the tribal knowledge, I just tried that URL:
https://products.office.com/en/download-office-2007

Which says "Office 2007 is now retired".
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/28/office2007retired.jpg

They have a "find more information" button here.
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Office-Retirement/ct-p/OfficeRetirement

Which starts off with "Farewell, Office 2007", saying "It's been a great
run, but it's time to move on...".
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/28/office2007retired2.jpg

Mr. Man-wai Chang

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On 1/3/2018 02:42, ultred ragnusen wrote:
> Nonetheless, for the tribal knowledge, I just tried that URL:
> https://products.office.com/en/download-office-2007
>
> Which says "Office 2007 is now retired".
> http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/28/office2007retired.jpg
>

I downloaded the installer earlier this year using a valid product key,
if I remember correctly.

That page leads to the following page after you hit "Download" under
Micro$oft Office 2007 Resources, which allows you to enter the product key:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/office?culture=en-US&ref=o12

Mr. Man-wai Chang

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On 1/3/2018 02:42, ultred ragnusen wrote:
>

> Hmmmmmmm.... I appreciate the help, particularly because we're now trying
> to summarize for future tribal knowledge lookups, but if it was really that
> simple, why did Microsoft Technical support, themselves, use this URL below
> to install Microsoft Office 2007 Pro for me over the telephone?
>
> http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent.net/01/32000519-3082940-O12SBATR-NOA/msoffice/pub/X12-30283/X12-30283.exe

I got a "File not found" error when I clicked it from Hong Kong. Maybe
it's a temporary link. Are you sure that you were talking to the real,
authentic Micro$oft tech support in your country? ;)

Shadow

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On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 10:42:20 -0800, ultred ragnusen
<ult...@ragnusen.com> wrote:

>"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If you have a valid Office 2007 product key, you could download its
>> installer via Micro$oft's official website.
>>
>> https://products.office.com/en/download-office-2007
>
>Hmmmmmmm.... I appreciate the help

Mai Wang Poo is a troll. He probably tried the link, saw it
didn't work and posted anyway ...

Paul

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Microsoft has ways to generate folders like this dynamically.
The folders self-delete on the server side after 24 hours.

This is how Heidoc works too. The folders it gives access to, are
generated on-the-spot on the Microsoft side of the server, and
are valid for 24 hours.

When I bought two copies of Windows 8 electronically a few years
back, the download folder on those only existed for 24 hours.

Paul

Char Jackson

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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:14:17 -0800, ultred ragnusen
<ult...@ragnusen.com> wrote:

>Paul <nos...@needed.invalid> wrote:
>
>> A more important question is *why* you're doing that.
>
>You have to remember that I'm not backing up what /most/ people back up.
>Most people back up the "image" and they back it up to a large HDD of some
>sort.

There are multiple good reasons why that's the most popular destination
for backups. It doesn't matter *what* you're backing up: disk volume
images, partitions, individual files, whatever. A hard drive is going to
be the most convenient.

>I'm backing up individual data files, and they go to a DVD disc.
>
>For me, rsync would work just fine, and in fact, some day, I'll figure out
>what works like rsync on Windows since that's the most efficient.

See above for what others do. ;-)

>> You can back up using regular backup software, and
>> make the folder or file any size you like.
>
>Nope. The last thing I want is to have /multiple/ discs where I've been
>though that drill of one third your stuff on disc 1 and one third on disc 2
>and one third on disc 3 where you have to pop in all the discs just to find
>what you're lookign for, and Lord help you if you lose one of the discs in
>the sequence as the entire sequence is screwed up.

You'll always have multiple DVD's, so unless you have some kind of TOC
system you'll still be sticking discs in until you find the one you
need.

>Maybe the software is better nowadays, but I simply want to back up stuff
>to DVD /WITHOUT/ having to worry about it spilling over from disc1 to
>disc2.

Given your stated goal, it sounds like you'll want to avoid using
optical media and move to hard drive(s).

>The easiest way to do that, AFAIK, is to keep the data in separate 4.3GB
>directories, where the directory can be backed up to its own DVD disc.

Ugh! From anyone else, I'd suspect a prank, but you have a long history
of taking the long way around the barn so I think you're serious. Now
that you have two sizable hard drives, you have everything you need to
start making proper backups, where proper means no DVDs are involved.

>I don't want anything manual other than the minimum, which, with my
>KISS method, is simply that Windows won't let me put more than a DVD's
>amount of data into any directory as shown in this screenshot I just made
>to show X: Y: and Z: drives, each limited to DVD sizes (where I was
>experimenting with the final size).

You realize, I suppose, that your claim of wanting to keep things simple
is in direct contradiction to your multi-virtual-folder and multi-DVD
approach. You've gone out of your way to make it as complicated as
possible while claiming to want the opposite.

>At the moment, since the original terabyte HDD had its OS bricked by
>Microsoft, I now have two terabyte HDDs, so I have more space than I know
>what to do with

I have a suggestion. ;-)

ultred ragnusen

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Char Jackson <no...@none.invalid> wrote:

> There are multiple good reasons why that's the most popular destination
> for backups. It doesn't matter *what* you're backing up: disk volume
> images, partitions, individual files, whatever. A hard drive is going to
> be the most convenient.

Yes. And like a battery-based jumper system for a car, the HDD that you
back up to suffers from the same weaknesses as the HDD that you are backing
up.

But, we all agree, it's easy, hence it's more likely to be done.

And that's the important point, isn't it?

> You'll always have multiple DVD's, so unless you have some kind of TOC
> system you'll still be sticking discs in until you find the one you
> need.

That's only partially true that you'll be flipping DVD media. I learned
long ago to label storage media appropriately, so that you know almost
exactly what's on that storage media, at least down to the date and type of
content.

> Given your stated goal, it sounds like you'll want to avoid using
> optical media and move to hard drive(s).

What I'd love is for a SSD to be as inexpensive as DVD.

> Ugh! From anyone else, I'd suspect a prank, but you have a long history
> of taking the long way around the barn so I think you're serious. Now
> that you have two sizable hard drives, you have everything you need to
> start making proper backups, where proper means no DVDs are involved.

Your point is valid. Except that the only safe HDD is a HDD outside the
computer (e.g., from viruses), and the only safe HDD outside a computer is
NOT a USB HDD (for stated reasons).

> You realize, I suppose, that your claim of wanting to keep things simple
> is in direct contradiction to your multi-virtual-folder and multi-DVD
> approach. You've gone out of your way to make it as complicated as
> possible while claiming to want the opposite.

Your point is valid that sheer numbers may confuse many people, but for me,
each DVD disk has the advantage that it will never crash, although it has
its own frailties, as we all know.

>>At the moment, since the original terabyte HDD had its OS bricked by
>>Microsoft, I now have two terabyte HDDs, so I have more space than I know
>>what to do with
>
> I have a suggestion. ;-)

Yes. Backup. Except that it's /inside/ the computer, unless I disconnect
the cable /after/ the backup, which is easily enough done so that a virus
can't get to it.

...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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Paul wrote:

> ultred ragnusen wrote:
>> Thanks. Had I found Heidoc before I called Microsoft Office Support, I
>> would have tried that - but the support guys downloaded from this digital
>> river archive (which doesn't work for me now).
>> http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent.net/01/32000519-3082940-O12SBATR-NOA/msoffice/pub/X12-30283/X12-30283.exe
>>
>
> Microsoft has ways to generate folders like this dynamically.
> The folders self-delete on the server side after 24 hours.

+1 to link expiration.

In this case(see the original post) X12-30283.exe was not the file MSFT
used to install O2K7 Pro that link didn't work. The install was
accomplished by using x12-301296 which is O2K7 Pro RTM.
"He downloaded to somewhere (I can't find it anymore) a file named:
X12-30196.exe.
....
Which installed Microsoft Office Pro 2007 after he ran the installer which
brought up a notice that "Microsoft Office 2007 Professional has been
successfully installed"
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/23/office2007_11d.jpg
</qp>
One can still obtain X12-30196.exe using the same link posted in the
initial thread).

--
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ
msft mvp 2007-2016, insider mvp 2016-2018

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>
> I downloaded the installer earlier this year using a valid product key, if
> I remember correctly.

That option only functioned with a valid retail full version product key and
the ability to download O2K7 from that site was discontinued well before
'earlier this year'

You're memory is off by more than a few months.

Mr. Man-wai Chang

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On 1/3/2018 16:27, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> "Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote in message
> news:p7727f$b3b$1...@toylet.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> I downloaded the installer earlier this year using a valid product
>> key, if I remember correctly.
>
> That option only functioned with a valid retail full version product key
> and the ability to download O2K7 from that site was discontinued well
> before 'earlier this year'
>
> You're memory is off by more than a few months.

But that product key option is still there in the webpage. I suppose you
could still do it now. If the service was discontinued, that webpage
should not have a textbox for product key.

Ken Blake

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On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 22:37:22 -0800, ultred ragnusen
<ult...@ragnusen.com> wrote:

>Char Jackson <no...@none.invalid> wrote:

>> I have a suggestion. ;-)
>
>Yes. Backup. Except that it's /inside/ the computer, unless I disconnect
>the cable /after/ the backup, which is easily enough done so that a virus
>can't get to it.

Yes, that protects against some problems such as viruses. But it
doesn't protect against theft of the computer.

A much better solution is buying an inexpensive ($10 or so) external
USB case for it, removing it from the computer, and putting it in the
case. That's also much easier to use than it is to disconnect an
internal cable.

ultred ragnusen

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Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com> wrote:

>>Yes. Backup. Except that it's /inside/ the computer, unless I disconnect
>>the cable /after/ the backup, which is easily enough done so that a virus
>>can't get to it.
>
>
>
> Yes, that protects against some problems such as viruses. But it
> doesn't protect against theft of the computer.

I'm very glad that you brought up your valid points, as I am starting to
/like/ the idea of just disconnecting the SATA cable that I bought at Fryes
this week, which is, interestingly at a meter, about 10 times longer than
it needs to be - but - with that length - I can more easily disconnect it
after a backup.

So I'm kind'a liking your suggestion of backing up to the spare HDD (which
I don't know what else I'll do with anyway), and then disconnecting one or
both of the SATA cables.

I would assume that either of the two cables on the SATA HDD would be fine
to disconnect to isolate the HDD after use ... would you concur?

> A much better solution is buying an inexpensive ($10 or so) external
> USB case for it, removing it from the computer, and putting it in the
> case. That's also much easier to use than it is to disconnect an
> internal cable.

USB connections to Windows have their own horrid frailties which I'd rather
not tempt fate upon ever again!

Rene Lamontagne

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One of the 2 cables is a power cable, Pulling either one will isolate
the drive.

Rene

Ken Blake

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On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 09:42:24 -0800, ultred ragnusen
<ult...@ragnusen.com> wrote:

>> A much better solution is buying an inexpensive ($10 or so) external
>> USB case for it, removing it from the computer, and putting it in the
>> case. That's also much easier to use than it is to disconnect an
>> internal cable.
>
>USB connections to Windows have their own horrid frailties which I'd rather
>not tempt fate upon ever again!

Once again, I completely disagree. I've done it umpteen times on
umpteen computers and never had a single problem. In fact, a backup an
external USB hard drive is going on right now, as I'm typing this
message.

Rene Lamontagne

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Been using USB external drives for years with no problems.

Rene

Rene Lamontagne

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I might add, not only for backups but for important archive material Also.

Rene

Paul

In the case that caused me to swear off those frail USB drives forever, I
didn't realize until (months?) later that the drive had been corrupted by
the last action on it.

> The intention is not to have UPS boxes that are
> so big, as to stay running. If you're a rich guy,
> you could have a Tesla Power Wall, as an example of
> keeping your household running no matter what. For
> the rest of us, a UPS capable of a "two minute warning"
> is sufficient for this job.

While our power is highly unreliable (everyone has a generator which kicks
in soon after the power shuts down), I'm mostly talking about the frailties
of the USB drives that are inherently activated when you disconnect the USB
cable on purpose or accidentally without first shutting down the USB drive
through the multi-step Windows process.

Rene Lamontagne

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I don't know where you get this *frail* USB drive from, My external USB
drives are the same Seagate 1 terabyte drives as my internal Sata
Seagate drives with a different interface.
The air thing was sarcasm of a sort.

Rene

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Metal USB connectors are good for 5000 insertions.

Metal ESATA connectors are good for 5000 insertions.

SATA plastic cables (the internal ones) are good for 50 insertions.
Although I have some with a couple hundred insertions at least,
and they're just getting a bit loose. The spec estimates a life of
50 cycles. The only purpose of these life estimates, is to
assign "classes" to the connector types, in the "good, better, best"
sense.

I use Safely Remove on my USB items, and don't have problems.

There are some USB3 sticks with plastic barrels on them.
Do not buy those, as they don't control capture well enough.
I broke a pin off the plastic USB3 stick on the very first day.
That never happens with my collection of metal barrel USB3
sticks.

Paul

Char Jackson

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On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 22:56:55 -0800, ultred ragnusen <ult...@ragnusen.com>
wrote:

>Rene Lamontagne <rla...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> I don't know where you get this *frail* USB drive from, My external USB
>> drives are the same Seagate 1 terabyte drives as my internal Sata
>> Seagate drives with a different interface.
>> The air thing was sarcasm of a sort.
>
>It's not the drive that's frail, it's the USB to Microsoft part that's
>frail.

My best, most sincere, advice would be to examine your personal
behaviors regarding disconnection of USB drives and correct what you've
been doing wrong. There's a reason why you have this issue and others
don't.

Mr. Man-wai Chang

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On 1/3/2018 16:27, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>

> You're memory is off by more than a few months.

I just checked that I downloaded it in September 2017. Surprised that
those 2007 links was closed so soon.

...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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"Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote in message

news:p7bc0s$b1i$2...@toylet.eternal-september.org...

>
> I just checked that I downloaded it in September 2017. Surprised that
> those 2007 links was closed so soon.

Pretty much on schedule. 10 yrs. was probably enough time to plan and queue
up a toggle off and web page modification at EOL.

Office 2007 support ended on Oct. 10, 2007
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/3198497/office-2007-approaching-end-of-extended-support

Shadow

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On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 05:13:46 -0800, ...w♂妤比 <winst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>"Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote in message
>news:p7bc0s$b1i$2...@toylet.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> I just checked that I downloaded it in September 2017. Surprised that
>> those 2007 links was closed so soon.
>
>Pretty much on schedule. 10 yrs. was probably enough time to plan and queue
>up a toggle off and web page modification at EOL.
>
>Office 2007 support ended on Oct. 10, 2007
>https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/3198497/office-2007-approaching-end-of-extended-support

Link does not exist, but I think you typoed

Office 2007 reached its end of support on October 10, 2017.

BTW LibreOffice support never ends.
;)
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Mr. Man-wai Chang

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On 2/3/2018 21:13, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>
> Pretty much on schedule. 10 yrs. was probably enough time to plan and
> queue up a toggle off and web page modification at EOL.
>
> Office 2007 support ended on Oct. 10, 2007
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/3198497/office-2007-approaching-end-of-extended-support

I didn't bother to remember these dates. I guess I was lucky enough to
download it before that deadline.

Mr. Man-wai Chang

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On 2/3/2018 23:59, Shadow wrote:
>
> Link does not exist, but I think you typoed
> Office 2007 reached its end of support on October 10, 2017.
> BTW LibreOffice support never ends.
> ;)

Office 2007 is good enough for most users. Could someone tell me what's
special with Office 2010, 2013 and 2016? Cloud? Come on... we don't
usually share data with others....

Ken Blake

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Mar 2, 2018, 11:45:44 AM3/2/18

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On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 18:26:54 -0800, ultred ragnusen
<ult...@ragnusen.com> wrote:

>Rene Lamontagne <rla...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> I might add, not only for backups but for important archive material Also.
>
>Do you never have a power interruption when you back up your data to those
>frail and vulnerable USB drives?

Rarely.

But more important, I never run a computer without its being connected
to a UPS (and I recommend the same to everyone). If there's a power
interruption, I stop the backup and start it again later when the
power comes back.

>I hear both what you and Ken said, but you provide false promises, since it
>is a well-known fact that I'm too experienced to not know about, but which
>you seem to be ignoring.

LOL!

>It's /fine/ that you never had any problems, just like it's fine that you
>leave your chainsaw running all day in the nursery and your kids never cut
>their fingers off ... but there are some things that are known facts that
>are real, and where you do a disservice to others by denying the obvious.

Double LOL!

>If you have a power or data interruption when using a USB drive on Windows,
>you /definitely/ risk corruption of the HDD contents. Period.

If you have a power interruption, you run the risk of corruption of
all drives, USB or otherwise. Use a UPS and that risk vanishes.

>If you wish to ignore or downplay that bona fide fact, so be it, but I will
>remind other that I'm too experienced

Triple LOL!

Ken Blake

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On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 20:54:18 -0600, Rene Lamontagne <rla...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

>On 03/01/2018 8:26 PM, ultred ragnusen wrote:
>> Rene Lamontagne <rla...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> I might add, not only for backups but for important archive material Also.
>>
>> Do you never have a power interruption when you back up your data to those
>> frail and vulnerable USB drives?
>>
>
>One seven minute downtime in 2 years.

I've had more than that, but as I just said in another message in this
thread, always while using a UPS, which negates the problem.

>Would your internal Sata drive keep running during a power outage??
>You must have discovered perpetual motion if they do.

Ditto, as I also just said (in slightly different words).

>> I hear both what you and Ken said, but you provide false promises, since it
>> is a well-known fact that I'm too experienced to not know about, but which
>> you seem to be ignoring.
>>
>
>I don't provide any promises, I'm just telling what works fine for me,
>Other people can make their own choices.
>
>Your Experienced!!! At What???

I think most of his experience is with chainsaws in nurseries, not
with computers.

Besides not knowing what he's talking about, he's a braggart, as
evidenced by "a well-known fact that I'm too experienced to not know
about...," and "I'm too experienced to believe that what you say..."

It's bad enough to brag when what you say is true, but it's even worse
in his case.

And--I don't say this to brag about it, but just to point out that his
highly-touted experience probably is shorter than mine--I've been
working with computers since 1962, and with PCs since 1987.

There are several regular participants in these newsgroups who I
greatly respect--and since I have no illusions at knowing everything
about Windows, often learn from--but he's far from being one of them.

And by the way, most of those participants who I greatly respect
probably have less experience than I do. That doesn't mean they know
less than I do

>> It's /fine/ that you never had any problems, just like it's fine that you
>> leave your chainsaw running all day in the nursery and your kids never cut
>> their fingers off ... but there are some things that are known facts that
>> are real, and where you do a disservice to others by denying the obvious.
>>
>
>That's a piss poor analogy if I ever heard one.

A strong ditto! It's a laughable analogy.

ultred ragnusen

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Shadow <S...@dow.br> wrote:

> Link does not exist, but I think you typoed
>
> Office 2007 reached its end of support on October 10, 2017.

The link worked for me, but maybe we're talking about different links.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/3198497/office-2007-approaching-end-of-extended-support

Summary
Office 2007 has reached the end of its support lifecycle, meaning there are
no new security updates, non-security updates, free or paid assisted
support options, or online technical content updates. Customers who are
using Office 2007 products and services should move to Office 365 or
upgrade to supported versions of Office products and services, such as
Office 2016.

Tribal knowledge note: They supported me, so while "official" support has
ended, they still supported me, and I'm nothing special...(and where I
agree with the sentiment that Office 2007 is good enough for me).

Ken Blake

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On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 19:39:52 -0800, ultred ragnusen
<ult...@ragnusen.com> wrote:

Paul <nos...@needed.invalid> wrote:

>> The intention is not to have UPS boxes that are
>> so big, as to stay running. If you're a rich guy,
>> you could have a Tesla Power Wall, as an example of
>> keeping your household running no matter what. For
>> the rest of us, a UPS capable of a "two minute warning"
>> is sufficient for this job.
>
>While our power is highly unreliable (everyone has a generator which kicks
>in soon after the power shuts down),

A generator which "kicks in soon after the power shuts down" is next
to useless as far as a computer is concerned. What you need is a UPS
that keeps the computer running when the power goes out, so you can
stop all the programs that are running and shut the computer down
gracefully. As Paul said, "a UPS capable of a "two minute warning is
sufficient for this job. But two minutes is on the low side, and I
would prefer one that gives me a little more time, mine gives me about
10-15 minutes. They are inexpensive; you can get a good one on
Amazon.com for $57.49, but I would recommend them to everyone even if
you had to pay three times the price. The risk of not having one is
too great.

Ken Blake

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On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 22:58:59 -0800, ultred ragnusen
<ult...@ragnusen.com> wrote:

>Char Jackson <no...@none.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I'd be wasting my time if I pointed out that the vast, vast, vast
>> majority of computer users don't have problems with external drives
>> connected via USB. I can confidently come to the conclusion that you're
>> experiencing user error, but that doesn't get us anywhere.
>>
>> So if the drive has to be external but it can't be USB, what else is
>> there? eSata? Ethernet? BTW, long SATA cables are out of the question.
>> SATA connectors aren't rated for a whole lot of connect/disconnect
>> cycles. I think eSATA improves on that, but I haven't looked it up.
>>
>> Have you considered those drive cages that slide in/out of a bay? That
>> way, the drive is connected internally when you need it and air-gapped
>> when you don't need it.
>
>Let's give up on this frail USB thing.
>
>We've beaten this to death where others are just not as experienced as I am
>with USB drives being corrupted by Windows, that's all.

LOL again. Rather than your giving up when you are so obviously
completely wrong, you want to ask all the rest of us to give up.

No, I won't. As I just said, you are completely wrong, despite your
*vast* experience.

ultred ragnusen

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Char Jackson <no...@none.invalid> wrote:

>>It's not the drive that's frail, it's the USB to Microsoft part that's
>>frail.
>
> My best, most sincere, advice would be to examine your personal
> behaviors regarding disconnection of USB drives and correct what you've
> been doing wrong. There's a reason why you have this issue and others
> don't.

Thank you for that sincere advice, which is sort of like telling a woman
who has been raped to not go outside at night near the bars wearing a short
dress - which is good - and sincere advice - because otherwise, she runs
the risk of being raped.

Your advice is so good that I /already/ follow your advice, in that
whenever I use a USB device, I make /sure/ not to wear that short dress, in
that I take the extra time and energy to click through the multi-step
process of disconnecting it properly in /software/ first, and then I
physically unplug the drive.

I've still been raped - so I will always carry that fear with me - where
latent fear is a natural and healthy result of such USB experiences.

So we do agree:
a. USB runs the risk of corruption, unless ...
b. You properly disconnect it EVERY TIME you use it.

Rene Lamontagne

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On 03/02/2018 12:22 PM, ultred ragnusen wrote:
> Char Jackson <no...@none.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> It's not the drive that's frail, it's the USB to Microsoft part that's
>>> frail.
>>
>> My best, most sincere, advice would be to examine your personal
>> behaviors regarding disconnection of USB drives and correct what you've
>> been doing wrong. There's a reason why you have this issue and others
>> don't.
>
> Thank you for that sincere advice, which is sort of like telling a woman
> who has been raped to not go outside at night near the bars wearing a short
> dress - which is good - and sincere advice - because otherwise, she runs
> the risk of being raped.
>

I'm not

> Your advice is so good that I /already/ follow your advice, in that
> whenever I use a USB device, I make /sure/ not to wear that short dress, in
> that I take the extra time and energy to click through the multi-step
> process of disconnecting it properly in /software/ first, and then I
> physically unplug the drive.
>

I'm not sure what you mean when you say " click through the multi-step
process of disconnecting it properly in /softawre/."
All I have to do is click on the safely remove hardware icon in the
notification area then click the device I want to remove and then unplug it'
Quick and simple.

Rene

> I've still been raped - so I will always carry that fear with me - where
> latent fear is a natural and healthy result of such USB experiences.
>
> So we do agree:
> a. USB runs the risk of corruption, unless ...
> b. You properly disconnect it EVERY TIME you use it.
>

Rene

ultred ragnusen

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Mar 2, 2018, 2:12:13 PM3/2/18

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Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> Besides not knowing what he's talking about, he's a braggart, as
> evidenced by "a well-known fact that I'm too experienced to not know
> about...," and "I'm too experienced to believe that what you say..."

Your feelings are not wrong.

I apologize that I have experienced USB related corruption, which is what
my "braggart" statement was meant to convey.

It's the same sentiment whenever I hear someone say that the free office
suites are compatible with MS Office documents - which is that I've
experienced too many times that they're not - to believe what someone says
just because /they/ haven't experienced it.

I'm happy for them. I wish I didn't have the experience of USB-related
corruption. I really do.

> It's bad enough to brag when what you say is true, but it's even worse
> in his case.

I never claim to know what I don't know, and, if I did, in the haste of
writing a Usenet article (which is an ad-hoc discussion and not a well
vetted thesis), I'm sure you'll let me know when I'm full of shit. :)

> And--I don't say this to brag about it, but just to point out that his
> highly-touted experience probably is shorter than mine--I've been
> working with computers since 1962, and with PCs since 1987.

I'm in my eighties, but the point here isn't who has the bigger penis but
whether USB connected disc drives can be corrupted if you disconnect them
improperly.

I simply posit, based on my empirical experience, that they can.
In fact, my own experience, sadly, is that they do.

> There are several regular participants in these newsgroups who I
> greatly respect--and since I have no illusions at knowing everything
> about Windows, often learn from--but he's far from being one of them.

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Mar 2, 2018, 2:35:16 PM3/2/18

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Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> LOL again. Rather than your giving up when you are so obviously
> completely wrong, you want to ask all the rest of us to give up.
>
> No, I won't. As I just said, you are completely wrong, despite your
> *vast* experience.

I'm not here to prove that I'm right or wrong, nor to prove if my penis is
bigger or smaller than yours, anymore than you are.

I have only stated that I've been burned by USB-related corruption, and I
clearly stated that I didn't always use the 'safely remove' series of
switches.

I also stated that anyone who skips those multiple steps runs the risk of
corruption.

That you apparently disagree, and say I'm wrong, is fine.

But since I know that what I said is a fact, and yet, you repeatedly say
I'm wrong, then my point of us not beating this to death is that there's no
way we're going to make any headway if you really believe that my real-life
experience is wrong.

Rene Lamontagne

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Mar 2, 2018, 3:30:53 PM3/2/18

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But that's ONLY 2 clicks, Surely you can manage that! even if you are in
your 80s.
I am 84 and I don't have too much trouble with it. :-)

Rene

Ken Blake

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ultred ragnusen <ult...@ragnusen.com>
news:q4iei8llxw0f$.dyedlo12yw4d$.d...@40tude.net Sat, 24 Feb 2018
18:04:01 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

> Mike S <ms...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Are you saying Windows physically damaged your hdd, or is it
>> possible you could simply no longer boot from it?
>
> There is absolutely no doubt (based on my tests) that the HDD is
> undamaged and that the only problem is that an errant Microsoft
> Windows 10 update bricked the operating system.
> http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/win10update_010.jpg

I believe you're using the term bricked in error here...You aren't
dealing with fuxored firmware. You have full access to the software
in question and can repair at will without much of anything getting
in your way.

> Trust me, since 6:29am on the 25th of January, I have spent
> umpteen hours running all the possible options that come up in the
> default Microsoft Windows 10 recovery console, as had Microsoft
> telephone tier 2 tech support at +1-800-642-7676.
> http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/system_restore.jpg

Any of you thought to check event viewer logs? Sometimes, they
provide quite useful information. Especially for the purposes of
debugging.

> That was the last time I was able to boot...where three days in a
> row, the Windows 10 Update failed, and when the PC booted
> overnight, it never came back.
> http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/startup_repair.jpg

It's difficult to do remote diagnostic work in some cases. Especially
if one doesn't know what the original owner has already tried for
repairs. You may infact have made things worse in your hasty effort
to fix it...

> Thanks for the advice, but Windows bricked itself, where we tried
> resetting the OS using the recovery console.
> http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/reset_pc_02.jpg

You're using the wrong terminology....And what do you mean by
resetting the OS exactly? Have you backed up the data you care about
onto external media? If not, that's the first thing you should be
doing, before you continue with blind 'click this, push this, cross
your fingers' repair efforts. While it's unlikely you'd lose access
to your data in most cases, I have no idea what you might attempt to
do to repair the machine; so for that reason, it's best for you to
copy your data off the machine before you attempt further repairs.

If you just want it fixed fast and don't care to do some real
troubleshooting, backup your data and reload the machine.

> It failed.
> http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/reset_pc_04.jpg
>
> Currently, I'm working with the various suggested recovery
> mechanisms: * TestDisk
> * Recuva
> * PhotoRec
> * DDRescue
> * Knoppix
> etc.

Umm. I mean no offense when I tell you this, but, you don't seem to
know what you're doing.

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I would think they could, Think Hot plug bays for hard drives,. I have
one built into the top of my Coolermaster Case. I can hotswap two and a
half inch SSDs to my hearts conntent.

Rene

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