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BillW50
May 18, 2013, 2:14:44 PM5/18/13
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I am trying to view and copy everything off of an old PATA 2.5" Conner
240MB hard drive. It is a hard drive from 1993. It has Windows Pen v1.0
which is really MS-DOS 6.2 and Windows 3.1 with pen support. I tried two
different PATA to USB adapters, but no luck. Zentimo (a third party
safely remove utility) sees it is a Conner 240MB drive, but can't see
anything on the drive. Windows XP Manage doesn't see anything.
The hard drive has about 100MB worth of stuff on it that I want to
backup. This should be an easy task. But I guess old IDE drives are not
supported by PATA to USB adapters. I have dozens of machines here and
many of them should be able to read this drive (all laptops). Problem is
that the drive is very large in height. Probably 15mm or higher. And
none of my laptops could accept a drive so high.
I can think of two options:
1) Copy the files on the Windows Pen machine to floppy and transfer
100MB worth that way.
2) Use a serial null modem cable to another machine and transfer files
that way.
Neither option sounds very attractive to me. Both would require lots of
work. Anybody have any other ideas? The Windows Pen machine has two
PCMCIA ports, serial, parallel, and two PS/2 ports. I do have three
PCMCIA 512MB hard drives in storage and it would take me hours to find
them. But I don't think that would work. Because you can't copy Windows
from the running Windows. And DOS can't see those drives. I know Windows
95 can automatically see them, but I don't recall if Windows 3.1 can or
not.
If you are curious, the Windows Pen machine is a Compaq Concerto. I
never heard of them before January. But I have about a dozen Windows
Tablets (I love them) running Windows XP, Windows 7, and 8. And I am
really shocked that a Windows Tablet from '93 had virtually all of the
features of a modern Windows Tablet. It even has a few features that are
not found with modern Tablets. Really amazing to me. TIA
--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2
240MB hard drive. It is a hard drive from 1993. It has Windows Pen v1.0
which is really MS-DOS 6.2 and Windows 3.1 with pen support. I tried two
different PATA to USB adapters, but no luck. Zentimo (a third party
safely remove utility) sees it is a Conner 240MB drive, but can't see
anything on the drive. Windows XP Manage doesn't see anything.
The hard drive has about 100MB worth of stuff on it that I want to
backup. This should be an easy task. But I guess old IDE drives are not
supported by PATA to USB adapters. I have dozens of machines here and
many of them should be able to read this drive (all laptops). Problem is
that the drive is very large in height. Probably 15mm or higher. And
none of my laptops could accept a drive so high.
I can think of two options:
1) Copy the files on the Windows Pen machine to floppy and transfer
100MB worth that way.
2) Use a serial null modem cable to another machine and transfer files
that way.
Neither option sounds very attractive to me. Both would require lots of
work. Anybody have any other ideas? The Windows Pen machine has two
PCMCIA ports, serial, parallel, and two PS/2 ports. I do have three
PCMCIA 512MB hard drives in storage and it would take me hours to find
them. But I don't think that would work. Because you can't copy Windows
from the running Windows. And DOS can't see those drives. I know Windows
95 can automatically see them, but I don't recall if Windows 3.1 can or
not.
If you are curious, the Windows Pen machine is a Compaq Concerto. I
never heard of them before January. But I have about a dozen Windows
Tablets (I love them) running Windows XP, Windows 7, and 8. And I am
really shocked that a Windows Tablet from '93 had virtually all of the
features of a modern Windows Tablet. It even has a few features that are
not found with modern Tablets. Really amazing to me. TIA
--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2
Paul
May 18, 2013, 3:45:43 PM5/18/13
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One article I read some time ago, claimed there were a couple
modes (just slightly faster than PIO), that were removed on
more modern IDE controllers. That drive would need to have those
modes, as its sole option, to be so picky about the controller.
Does regular Windows software run on it ? What hope
do you have, of doing any clever maintenance on the thing,
if there is no software ? That would be my first concern.
Even if you make a backup, what would function to do the restore ?
At that point, you may have to move the IDE drive to a regular
desktop computer, and do the restore there. So at this point,
investigating working on the disk directly, is needed for later
when you want to restore it. If you cannot figure out how to
do that, a backup might not be of much use. (Imagine the Concerto
has no software in a usable state on board - how would you restore
to it ?)
Paul
Ghostrider
May 18, 2013, 5:01:33 PM5/18/13
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many 2.5" and 3.5" PATA drives, including Conners, with my WiebeTech USB
Drivedock. Your Conner 2.5" drive uses the standard 40-pin IDE pinouts?
GR
Paul in Houston TX
May 18, 2013, 6:09:12 PM5/18/13
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BillW50 wrote:
> I am trying to view and copy everything off of an old PATA 2.5" Conner
> 240MB hard drive. It is a hard drive from 1993. It has Windows Pen v1.0
> which is really MS-DOS 6.2 and Windows 3.1 with pen support. I tried two
> different PATA to USB adapters, but no luck. Zentimo (a third party
> safely remove utility) sees it is a Conner 240MB drive, but can't see
> anything on the drive. Windows XP Manage doesn't see anything.
I have a 2.5" to 3.5" cable. It works great.
> I am trying to view and copy everything off of an old PATA 2.5" Conner
> 240MB hard drive. It is a hard drive from 1993. It has Windows Pen v1.0
> which is really MS-DOS 6.2 and Windows 3.1 with pen support. I tried two
> different PATA to USB adapters, but no luck. Zentimo (a third party
> safely remove utility) sees it is a Conner 240MB drive, but can't see
> anything on the drive. Windows XP Manage doesn't see anything.
No usb needed, just a ide connector on the computer.
http://www.microcenter.com/product/219555/Hard_Drive_25_to_35_Controller_Adapter
I have not tried hooking my pata to sata converter to it.
BillW50
May 18, 2013, 6:28:08 PM5/18/13
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In news:kn8lhr$b30$1...@dont-email.me,
Paul typed:
Oh sure! But two problems there. You can't copy the OS which is in use.
And DOS (v6.2) can't see it. And the OS is Windows 3.1 and I doubt that
there are any drivers available for any of my cards.
> One article I read some time ago, claimed there were a couple
> modes (just slightly faster than PIO), that were removed on
> more modern IDE controllers. That drive would need to have those
> modes, as its sole option, to be so picky about the controller.
I am not surprised about this at all.
> Does regular Windows software run on it ? What hope
> do you have, of doing any clever maintenance on the thing,
> if there is no software ? That would be my first concern.
Any software that runs under DOS v6.xx or Windows 3.x should run fine on
this machine. The only thing that is different is that is supports a pen
and can function as a tablet. You don't have to use it as a pen/tablet
if you don't want too. As it is fully fuctional for DOS and Windows 3.x
too. Nor do I see any reason why Windows 95 couldn't run on it either.
> Even if you make a backup, what would function to do the restore ?
I have seen these for sale from time to time and none of them has the
OS, but a wiped hard drive. So having a fully functioning one appears to
be really rare. The hardware seems to be very stable and probably will
last for decades (they are already 20 years old). But the software part
appears to be very rare and needs to be preserved and backed up.
> At that point, you may have to move the IDE drive to a regular
> desktop computer, and do the restore there. So at this point,
> investigating working on the disk directly, is needed for later
> when you want to restore it. If you cannot figure out how to
> do that, a backup might not be of much use. (Imagine the Concerto
> has no software in a usable state on board - how would you restore
> to it ?)
One could still find functioning Concertos, so that isn't a problem. The
problem appears to be finding one with functioning OS for it. So
preserving the OS is the most important thing to do. Sure you could just
put DOS on them, or add Windows 3.1x, and I think Windows 95 should work
too (Windows 98 might be too much for it). But without pen support they
are not special at all.
Paul typed:
And DOS (v6.2) can't see it. And the OS is Windows 3.1 and I doubt that
there are any drivers available for any of my cards.
> One article I read some time ago, claimed there were a couple
> modes (just slightly faster than PIO), that were removed on
> more modern IDE controllers. That drive would need to have those
> modes, as its sole option, to be so picky about the controller.
> Does regular Windows software run on it ? What hope
> do you have, of doing any clever maintenance on the thing,
> if there is no software ? That would be my first concern.
this machine. The only thing that is different is that is supports a pen
and can function as a tablet. You don't have to use it as a pen/tablet
if you don't want too. As it is fully fuctional for DOS and Windows 3.x
too. Nor do I see any reason why Windows 95 couldn't run on it either.
> Even if you make a backup, what would function to do the restore ?
OS, but a wiped hard drive. So having a fully functioning one appears to
be really rare. The hardware seems to be very stable and probably will
last for decades (they are already 20 years old). But the software part
appears to be very rare and needs to be preserved and backed up.
> At that point, you may have to move the IDE drive to a regular
> desktop computer, and do the restore there. So at this point,
> investigating working on the disk directly, is needed for later
> when you want to restore it. If you cannot figure out how to
> do that, a backup might not be of much use. (Imagine the Concerto
> has no software in a usable state on board - how would you restore
> to it ?)
problem appears to be finding one with functioning OS for it. So
preserving the OS is the most important thing to do. Sure you could just
put DOS on them, or add Windows 3.1x, and I think Windows 95 should work
too (Windows 98 might be too much for it). But without pen support they
are not special at all.
BillW50
May 18, 2013, 9:22:42 PM5/18/13
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In news:YKudnYBP9pizcQrM...@supernews.com,
Ghostrider" < typed:
Me too! Although this appears to be different.
> including Conners,
Wow you have heard of Conners? I remember hearing about them in the
early 90's and then nothing more.
> with my WiebeTech USB Drivedock.
If I could find one and it could read a Conner CFN250A, that would be
great! ;-)
>Your Conner 2.5" drive uses the standard 40-pin IDE pinouts?
Yes, it plugged in just fine. All other PATA 2.5" drives I have used in
the past will power down when you remove them under Windows with the
PATA to USB adapter under XP. This one didn't (the drive kept spinning).
I know this is an early IDE drive and not EIDE (Enhanced IDE) drive.
This might be why my two PATA to USB adapters can't read it. Except
telling me what kind of drive it is.
Ghostrider" < typed:
> including Conners,
Wow you have heard of Conners? I remember hearing about them in the
early 90's and then nothing more.
> with my WiebeTech USB Drivedock.
great! ;-)
>Your Conner 2.5" drive uses the standard 40-pin IDE pinouts?
the past will power down when you remove them under Windows with the
PATA to USB adapter under XP. This one didn't (the drive kept spinning).
I know this is an early IDE drive and not EIDE (Enhanced IDE) drive.
This might be why my two PATA to USB adapters can't read it. Except
telling me what kind of drive it is.
David H. Lipman
May 18, 2013, 9:48:47 PM5/18/13
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From: "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom>
Connor made the first IDE drives.
Check the jumpers.
http://www.computerhope.com/hdd/hdd0011.htm
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Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
Check the jumpers.
http://www.computerhope.com/hdd/hdd0011.htm
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Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
Ken Springer
May 18, 2013, 9:49:39 PM5/18/13
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As for old hard drives, I've got a 5.25" Quantum Bigfoot on the shelf,
just keep it to marvel at how things have gotten smaller over the years.
--
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
May 19, 2013, 3:38:34 PM5/19/13
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In message <kn8lhr$b30$1...@dont-email.me>, Paul <nos...@needed.com>
writes:
though it's a long time since I played with it! It _could_ work over a
serial link, though very slowly, or via a parallel port (though needed a
special cable).
[]
it up to another 2.5" drive, he could just plug that in. But if the BIOS
uses some obscure file system and can only do so, then it is indeed a
risk.
[]
(Oh, and Bill - you said 95 but probably not 98; I _think_ 98lite can be
as undemanding of resources as 95, since it uses the smaller [and more
stable!] '95 shell, while giving you most of the better aspects [such as
better USB support] that '98 gave you.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
You can't abdicate and eat it - attributed to Wallis Simpson, in Radio Times
14-20 January 2012.
writes:
>BillW50 wrote:
>> I am trying to view and copy everything off of an old PATA 2.5"
>>Conner 240MB hard drive. It is a hard drive from 1993. It has Windows
>>Pen v1.0 which is really MS-DOS 6.2 and Windows 3.1 with pen support.
[]
>> I am trying to view and copy everything off of an old PATA 2.5"
>>Conner 240MB hard drive. It is a hard drive from 1993. It has Windows
>>Pen v1.0 which is really MS-DOS 6.2 and Windows 3.1 with pen support.
[]
>> I can think of two options:
>> 1) Copy the files on the Windows Pen machine to floppy and transfer
>>100MB worth that way.
>> 2) Use a serial null modem cable to another machine and transfer
>>files that way.
>> Neither option sounds very attractive to me. Both would require lots
>>of work. Anybody have any other ideas? The Windows Pen machine has
>>two PCMCIA ports, serial, parallel, and two PS/2 ports. I do have
Might be worth looking into LAPLINK; I _think_ that ran under DOS,
>> 1) Copy the files on the Windows Pen machine to floppy and transfer
>>100MB worth that way.
>> 2) Use a serial null modem cable to another machine and transfer
>>files that way.
>> Neither option sounds very attractive to me. Both would require lots
>>of work. Anybody have any other ideas? The Windows Pen machine has
>>two PCMCIA ports, serial, parallel, and two PS/2 ports. I do have
though it's a long time since I played with it! It _could_ work over a
serial link, though very slowly, or via a parallel port (though needed a
special cable).
[]
>> If you are curious, the Windows Pen machine is a Compaq Concerto. I
>>never heard of them before January. But I have about a dozen Windows
>>Tablets (I love them) running Windows XP, Windows 7, and 8. And I am
>>really shocked that a Windows Tablet from '93 had virtually all of the
>>features of a modern Windows Tablet. It even has a few features that
>>are not found with modern Tablets. Really amazing to me. TIA
[]
>>never heard of them before January. But I have about a dozen Windows
>>Tablets (I love them) running Windows XP, Windows 7, and 8. And I am
>>really shocked that a Windows Tablet from '93 had virtually all of the
>>features of a modern Windows Tablet. It even has a few features that
>>are not found with modern Tablets. Really amazing to me. TIA
>Does regular Windows software run on it ? What hope
>do you have, of doing any clever maintenance on the thing,
>if there is no software ? That would be my first concern.
I think that's why Paul (?) is trying to back it up!
>do you have, of doing any clever maintenance on the thing,
>if there is no software ? That would be my first concern.
>
>Even if you make a backup, what would function to do the restore ?
I suppose that depends on the BIOS. One would hope that, if he'd backed
>Even if you make a backup, what would function to do the restore ?
it up to another 2.5" drive, he could just plug that in. But if the BIOS
uses some obscure file system and can only do so, then it is indeed a
risk.
[]
(Oh, and Bill - you said 95 but probably not 98; I _think_ 98lite can be
as undemanding of resources as 95, since it uses the smaller [and more
stable!] '95 shell, while giving you most of the better aspects [such as
better USB support] that '98 gave you.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
You can't abdicate and eat it - attributed to Wallis Simpson, in Radio Times
14-20 January 2012.
Ant
May 20, 2013, 5:22:11 AM5/20/13
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On 5/19/2013 12:38 PM PT, J. P. Gilliver (John) typed:
> Might be worth looking into LAPLINK; I _think_ that ran under DOS,
> though it's a long time since I played with it! It _could_ work over a
> serial link, though very slowly, or via a parallel port (though needed a
> special cable).
http://www.pcxt-micro.com/dos-interlink.html is what I did back in my
MS-DOS days with Laplink cables.
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> Might be worth looking into LAPLINK; I _think_ that ran under DOS,
> though it's a long time since I played with it! It _could_ work over a
> serial link, though very slowly, or via a parallel port (though needed a
> special cable).
MS-DOS days with Laplink cables.
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David H. Lipman
May 20, 2013, 6:10:47 PM5/20/13
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From: "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom>
I think it should be noted that while assisting magin...@yahoo.com
(Robert) with trying to copy data from an older system to a newer system via
a SATA/IDE to USB adapter I ran some tests.
This was with a WD Caviar 2.1GB HD.
http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk/other/Ext_HD.jpg
The system would see drive but could not work with the drive. It saw it as
a 1.9GB drive that was not initiated. No matter what I set the CS/MA IDE
jumper to or what USB port the adapter waa on, I could see the drive in
Device Manager and Disk Management but the OS would not assign a drive
letter and I could not read nor format the drive.
I have another IDE interface that is both USB2.0 and Firewire and connectyed
the drive to it with the SAME results.
I guess there are some older IDE drives that just don't work as expected
with newer hardware.
(Robert) with trying to copy data from an older system to a newer system via
a SATA/IDE to USB adapter I ran some tests.
This was with a WD Caviar 2.1GB HD.
http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk/other/Ext_HD.jpg
The system would see drive but could not work with the drive. It saw it as
a 1.9GB drive that was not initiated. No matter what I set the CS/MA IDE
jumper to or what USB port the adapter waa on, I could see the drive in
Device Manager and Disk Management but the OS would not assign a drive
letter and I could not read nor format the drive.
I have another IDE interface that is both USB2.0 and Firewire and connectyed
the drive to it with the SAME results.
I guess there are some older IDE drives that just don't work as expected
with newer hardware.
Paul
May 20, 2013, 6:35:12 PM5/20/13
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http://www.wdc.com/en/products/legacy/Legacy.asp?Model=AC21200
"Transfer Rate (Buffer to Host) 16.6 MB/s (Mode 2 DMA)
16.6 MB/s (Mode 4 PIO)"
You could also try PTEDIT32 and see if it can read the MBR at all.
ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/PTEDIT32.zip
Paul
David H. Lipman
May 20, 2013, 7:06:10 PM5/20/13
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From: "Paul" <nos...@needed.com>
>> I think it should be noted that while assisting magin...@yahoo.com
>> (Robert) with trying to copy data from an older system to a newer system
>> via a SATA/IDE to USB adapter I ran some tests.
>>
>> This was with a WD Caviar 2.1GB HD.
>> http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk/other/Ext_HD.jpg
>>
>> The system would see drive but could not work with the drive. It saw it
>> as a 1.9GB drive that was not initiated. No matter what I set the CS/MA
>> IDE jumper to or what USB port the adapter waa on, I could see the drive
>> in Device Manager and Disk Management but the OS would not assign a drive
>> letter and I could not read nor format the drive.
>>
>> I have another IDE interface that is both USB2.0 and Firewire and
>> connectyed the drive to it with the SAME results.
>>
>> I guess there are some older IDE drives that just don't work as expected
>> with newer hardware.
>>
> Set to "Single", all jumpers removed ?
>
> http://www.wdc.com/en/products/legacy/Legacy.asp?Model=AC21200
>
> "Transfer Rate (Buffer to Host) 16.6 MB/s (Mode 2 DMA)
> 16.6 MB/s (Mode 4 PIO)"
>
> You could also try PTEDIT32 and see if it can read the MBR at all.
>
> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/PTEDIT32.zip
>
> Paul
Yes, "Set to "Single, all jumpers removed" as well as tried Cable Select and
Master. It doesn't make a difference.
When I first go into Disk Management. You see this drive as "Disk 2",
1.19GB Unallocated.
http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk/other/DM-1.jpg
I choose OK to "initialize" the drive it fails with the error
http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk/other/DM-2.jpg
I try to format the drive and that fails too with the following error
http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk/other/DM-3.jpg
>> I think it should be noted that while assisting magin...@yahoo.com
>> (Robert) with trying to copy data from an older system to a newer system
>> via a SATA/IDE to USB adapter I ran some tests.
>>
>> This was with a WD Caviar 2.1GB HD.
>> http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk/other/Ext_HD.jpg
>>
>> The system would see drive but could not work with the drive. It saw it
>> as a 1.9GB drive that was not initiated. No matter what I set the CS/MA
>> IDE jumper to or what USB port the adapter waa on, I could see the drive
>> in Device Manager and Disk Management but the OS would not assign a drive
>> letter and I could not read nor format the drive.
>>
>> I have another IDE interface that is both USB2.0 and Firewire and
>> connectyed the drive to it with the SAME results.
>>
>> I guess there are some older IDE drives that just don't work as expected
>> with newer hardware.
>>
> Set to "Single", all jumpers removed ?
>
> http://www.wdc.com/en/products/legacy/Legacy.asp?Model=AC21200
>
> "Transfer Rate (Buffer to Host) 16.6 MB/s (Mode 2 DMA)
> 16.6 MB/s (Mode 4 PIO)"
>
> You could also try PTEDIT32 and see if it can read the MBR at all.
>
> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/PTEDIT32.zip
>
> Paul
Master. It doesn't make a difference.
When I first go into Disk Management. You see this drive as "Disk 2",
1.19GB Unallocated.
http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk/other/DM-1.jpg
I choose OK to "initialize" the drive it fails with the error
http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk/other/DM-2.jpg
I try to format the drive and that fails too with the following error
http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk/other/DM-3.jpg
David H. Lipman
May 20, 2013, 7:21:02 PM5/20/13
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From: "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net>
< snip >
> This was with a WD Caviar 2.1GB HD.
> http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk/other/Ext_HD.jpg
>
> The system would see drive but could not work with the drive. It saw it
> as a 1.9GB drive that was not initiated. No matter what I set the CS/MA
> IDE
That was wrong. It wasn't a 2.1GB WD Caviar is was a 1.2GB WD Caviar
and...
"It saw it as a 1.19GB drive that was not initialized."
It is amazing how when you do things from memory you can screw things up.
Argggggggh !
< snip >
> This was with a WD Caviar 2.1GB HD.
> http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk/other/Ext_HD.jpg
>
> The system would see drive but could not work with the drive. It saw it
> as a 1.9GB drive that was not initiated. No matter what I set the CS/MA
> IDE
and...
"It saw it as a 1.9GB drive that was not initiated."
should have been...
"It saw it as a 1.19GB drive that was not initialized."
It is amazing how when you do things from memory you can screw things up.
Argggggggh !
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Does anyone still have an old conner drive please
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Paul
Apr 21, 2015, 4:03:36 PM4/21/15
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gfre...@aol.com wrote:
The poster has posted in another group, and
wants someone to donate an old Conner. There
are some Conner drives listed on Ebay, if you
want one badly enough, but they're too expensive.
The drive claims to be IDE on the interface, so
you would think any drive would do.
You can take a huge IDE hard drive and...
1) Use the CLIP jumper, to set the geometry to
33GB or 2GB. It depends on the OS as to how
the new geometry is interpreted. 3.5" drives
can have CLIP jumper, but there is less room
on a 2.5" drive for such things.
2) Apply an HPA (Host Protected Area) to limit the
size of drive seen. I have done this with
250GB SATA drives, limiting the claimed size
to 6GB and 4GB in some tests. To set that up,
I used a tool in Linux, then moved the drive to
Windows. Only one port on my computer, supports
HPA, and the other ports block all operations of
that type.
So there are some options. I would think a
regular IDE hard drive with a CLIP jumper would
be a start.
Another way to emulate the Conner, might be with
a Compact Flash adapter, plus a Compact Flash card.
http://www.lightinthebox.com/cf-compact-flash-merory-card-to-44pin-2-5-inch-ide-hard-drive-ssd-converter-adapter_p2156892.html
http://www.amazon.ca/Verbatim-CompactFlash-Memory-Card-47012/dp/B00009967Y
One issue with any solution, is the nature of the
computer it is being used in. On modern hard drives,
there are a couple missing operating modes, and
this sometimes causes problems on ancient computing
equipment. While every effort has been made to
keep IDE storage drives backward compatible, there
are actually a couple modes missing from the slowest
operating modes. Normally, a user wouldn't even
be aware these modes are missing.
Paul
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 11:12:16 -0700 (PDT), faza...@googlemail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone still have an old conner drive please
>
> I didn't see the start of this thread. What is the problem?
> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone still have an old conner drive please
>
The poster has posted in another group, and
wants someone to donate an old Conner. There
are some Conner drives listed on Ebay, if you
want one badly enough, but they're too expensive.
The drive claims to be IDE on the interface, so
you would think any drive would do.
You can take a huge IDE hard drive and...
1) Use the CLIP jumper, to set the geometry to
33GB or 2GB. It depends on the OS as to how
the new geometry is interpreted. 3.5" drives
can have CLIP jumper, but there is less room
on a 2.5" drive for such things.
2) Apply an HPA (Host Protected Area) to limit the
size of drive seen. I have done this with
250GB SATA drives, limiting the claimed size
to 6GB and 4GB in some tests. To set that up,
I used a tool in Linux, then moved the drive to
Windows. Only one port on my computer, supports
HPA, and the other ports block all operations of
that type.
So there are some options. I would think a
regular IDE hard drive with a CLIP jumper would
be a start.
Another way to emulate the Conner, might be with
a Compact Flash adapter, plus a Compact Flash card.
http://www.lightinthebox.com/cf-compact-flash-merory-card-to-44pin-2-5-inch-ide-hard-drive-ssd-converter-adapter_p2156892.html
http://www.amazon.ca/Verbatim-CompactFlash-Memory-Card-47012/dp/B00009967Y
One issue with any solution, is the nature of the
computer it is being used in. On modern hard drives,
there are a couple missing operating modes, and
this sometimes causes problems on ancient computing
equipment. While every effort has been made to
keep IDE storage drives backward compatible, there
are actually a couple modes missing from the slowest
operating modes. Normally, a user wouldn't even
be aware these modes are missing.
Paul
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