Scheduling daily computer start-up
Bob Tyrka
the morning and I don't recall how to reschedule it. This may have started
when daylight savings ended. Where do I go to reschedule? Thanks for any
help.
John John - MVP
You can do this outside of Windows in the BIOS or within Windows with a
Scheduled Task.
John
Bob Tyrka
any such indication. How is it labeled?
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Shenan Stanley
As in "Powers On"?
Windows cannot help you with this. No power means no Windows.
Look in your computer's BIOS. The BIOS has nothing to do with what OS you
have installed. How you get into it depends on what you have. Power off
the computer, power it on and watch closely for "Press <> to enter BIOS" or
"Press <> to enter System Setup" and whatever key is in the <> -- Press it.
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the task.
Just schedule any silly inane task, like starting and closing notepad or
running a small batch file that does next to nothing. When you get to
the last screen for the task (after you confirm the password) put a
check mark on "Open advanced properties fro this task when I click
Finish." When you click on Finish an new window will open for the
task's advanced properties, click on the "Settings" tab and you will see
it there. For this to work the BIOS has to support waking up on a
schedule with the real clock, yours does because you said that you were
doing it before.
John
Tim Meddick
you are in error, modern (in the last year or two, at most) PCs have an
extended BIOS that works with Window's Task Scheduler and CAN WAKE UP A PC from cold.
My PC is a Fujitsu-Siemens SCENIC T c.2002 and no way can IT do this!
However, the latest PCs CAN!
This argument was covered in great detail in the microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
newsgroup some time ago, with both the MVP who was discussing the thread at the time
and myself having to eat our words.
That was because I was convinced, as you seem to be, that nothing but configuring the
BIOS from the BIOS settings could get a PC to wake up at a specific time.
It was a very long thread covering many aspects of PC wake-up including "magic
packets" which too have advanced into many sorts in the last two years.
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Tim Meddick
you are in error, modern (in the last year or two, at most) PCs have an
extended BIOS that works with Window's Task Scheduler and CAN WAKE UP A PC from cold.
My PC is a Fujitsu-Siemens SCENIC T c.2002 and no way can IT do this!
However, the latest PCs CAN!
This argument was covered in great detail in the microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
newsgroup some time ago, with both the MVP who was discussing the thread at the time
and myself having to eat our words.
That was because I was convinced, as you seem to be, that nothing but configuring the
BIOS from the BIOS settings could get a PC to wake up at a specific time.
It was a very long thread covering many aspects of PC wake-up including "magic
packets" which too have advanced into many sorts in the last two years.
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Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)
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Shenan Stanley
> For some unknown reason, my computer no longer starts up
> automatically in the morning and I don't recall how to reschedule
> it. This may have started when daylight savings ended. Where do I
> go to reschedule? Thanks for any help.
Shenan Stanley wrote:
> As in "Powers On"?
>
> Windows cannot help you with this. No power means no Windows.
>
> Look in your computer's BIOS. The BIOS has nothing to do with what
> OS you have installed. How you get into it depends on what you
> have. Power off the computer, power it on and watch closely for
> "Press <> to enter BIOS" or "Press <> to enter System Setup" and
> whatever key is in the <> -- Press it.
Tim Meddick wrote:
> you are in error, modern (in the last year or two, at
> most) PCs have an extended BIOS that works with Window's Task
> Scheduler and CAN WAKE UP A PC from cold.
> My PC is a Fujitsu-Siemens SCENIC T c.2002 and no way can IT do
> this!
> However, the latest PCs CAN!
>
> This argument was covered in great detail in the
> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general newsgroup some time ago, with
> both the MVP who was discussing the thread at the time and myself
> having to eat our words.
> That was because I was convinced, as you seem to be, that nothing
> but configuring the BIOS from the BIOS settings could get a PC to
> wake up at a specific time.
> It was a very long thread covering many aspects of PC wake-up
> including "magic packets" which too have advanced into many sorts
> in the last two years.
Link to said discussion, please...
I found this:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/browse_thread/thread/3b67c443147e6302/
(An epiphany without discussion)
and this:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/browse_thread/thread/c8fadc370cd13c32/
Is the latter the one you mean?
Magic Packets and other methods of waking up a 'powered down' PC were not in
question here. Most home users would not have such capabilities
(previously) on non-business machines (machines made for home use) and most
likely they would not use such methods (or find them particularly
practical/useful *grin*) - not to mention this was not about 'remote
wakeup'. ;-)
Isn't the BIOS just now being set from inside Windows? Is it *still* a BIOS
setting - one that can be set from the BIOS configuration screen and (as you
point out) from the Windows Task Scheduler or similar functionality on some
newer systems?
Does the setting change if you wipe the disk and install a different OS?
Multi-Boot effect it (last booted from *nix, no power-on, boot in Windows,
ok..)? Or does the setting stick?
If it sticks - cool. If it doesn't - better to set it in the BIOS for home
users (IMHO) - fantastic for businesses though.
I appreciate the extra information - better to learn something new than
never know it. ;-)
Tim Meddick
You were right, in that it's the second link you just posted.
Only a very small part of it discusses "packets" and it's anecdotal.
The main point (from my perspective) were the quotes :
John John - MVP 3c273 wrote:
No, scheduled task cannot take the computer out of hibernation because
hibernation is also *off*.
SC Tom 3c273 wrote:
think you are confusing hibernation with stand-by (although I may be
wrong- wouldn't be the first time).
Louis 3c273wrote:
That's funny, because my computer wakes me up every morning from
hibernation. I even woke up early the other morning and watched it. Perhaps
you're not doing it right.
....and THEN they start jibbering about WOL & Magic Packets. You have to read right
to the end before you get everyone agreeing (virtually) about new innovations in the
extended BIOS and Microsoft's Task Scheduler's ability to turn on a P.C.
But that IS the conversation I was talking about - yes.
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Bob Tyrka
and changed from Disabled to the selection for time of Power On, the Help
function's suggestion to use the plus or minus or number keys to set the
time didn't work. Nothing happened when I tried to set a time.
Any ideas?
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John Dulak
> Thanks, Shenan. You're right of course. However, when I went into the BIOS
> and changed from Disabled to the selection for time of Power On, the Help
> function's suggestion to use the plus or minus or number keys to set the
> time didn't work. Nothing happened when I tried to set a time.
>
> Any ideas?
Bob:
Mostly a WAG but try edtering the time using the numerals on the main
part of the keyboard. I've seen BIOS (mostly old ones) that would not
accetp input from the numeric keypad. Worth a try.
HTH & GL
John
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Bob Tyrka
whether this might have something to do with the problem, but I get a notice
each time I boot up that some scheduled tasks did not run because the Task
Scheduler was not running. When I open up Task Scheduler and go thru all
the options, I see no problems.
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Bob Tyrka
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John John - MVP
service is set to "Automatic". Secondly, make sure that your account is
password protected, scheduled tasks will not run under accounts that do
not have a password.
John
Bob Tyrka
start on a weekly schedule, a notice came up when I clicked Reply that
Access is Denied.
And even if/when this is fixed will it have application to my inability to
Power Up my computer on a schedule?
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John John - MVP
the screen where you enter and confirm the password and press the *Next*
button or at the following screen when you hit the *Finish* button?
John
Shenan Stanley
Bob Tyrka wrote:
> BTW, my computer is several years old.
<snipped>
John John - MVP wrote:
> For starters make sure that the Startup type for the Task Scheduler
> service is set to "Automatic". Secondly, make sure that your
> account is password protected, scheduled tasks will not run under
> accounts that do not have a password.
Bob Tyrka wrote:
<snipped>
> And even if/when this is fixed will it have application to my
> inability to Power Up my computer on a schedule?
Given what you have (what I left quoted above) - the answer to your query
(last quote) is "no, this has nothing at all to do with you being able to
power on your computer from a power down (not hibernate, not sleep - powered
off) state."
In your case - if possible - it will be found outside Windows in your BIOS
as discussed before.
You may want to set your BIOS to its default settings - it may be locking
you out somehow. There should be a place in the BIOS to do this and your
BIOS should be new enough not to have any special settings that would be a
problem if you reset it... Unless you are overclocking?
Tim Meddick
I think not - it is only PCs manufactured in the last two years that are able
to configure the extended BIOS to wake a system that is in power state S0 (i.e
completely off - not in suspend - hibernate is also S0 = off).
About the BIOS settings problem - do make sure that numlock is ON before the plus and
minus signs will work in the numeric keypad.
Also, try Shift+[=] and the [-] sign on the main keyboard area...
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Bob Tyrka
Lock on or off. I tried "Shift..." etc. with no results.
My PC is a five y.o. Dimension 4600.
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Bob Tyrka
BIOS, and I'm not overclocking. Are people still doing that?
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Shenan Stanley
Bob Tyrka wrote:
> My PC is a five y.o. Dimension 4600. I can't find default settings
> on the BIOS, and I'm not overclocking. Are people still doing that?
Yes. People overclock and underclock for various reasons.
http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim4600/en/4600/OM/J2936bk0.pdf
Page 107...
So this is how you get into the system BIOS?
1. Turn on (or restart) your computer.
2. When the blue DELL� logo appears, press <F2> immediately.
If you wait too long and the operating system logo appears, continue to wait
until you
see the Microsoft� Windows� desktop. Then shut down your computer and try
again.
And once there, you are looking under - if I recall the 4600 correctly - the
menu bar at the top, specifically, the "Power" section?
Also - what revision is your BIOS? Axx <- fill in the "xx" there...
Not all Dell dimensions had the ability to "Power On" at a given time. Was
it the 4600 that also came with the special memory?
Bob Tyrka
select it and attempt to put in a time for power on. Neither the numerals
in the pad nor the ones above QWERTY, nor the + or - change the 00.00 time
slot.
"Not all Dell dimensions had the ability to "Power On."
I had been using the automatic power on for a couple of years.
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> <snip>
>
> Bob Tyrka wrote:
>> My PC is a five y.o. Dimension 4600. I can't find default settings
>> on the BIOS, and I'm not overclocking. Are people still doing that?
>
> Yes. People overclock and underclock for various reasons.
>
> http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim4600/en/4600/OM/J2936bk0.pdf
> Page 107...
>
> So this is how you get into the system BIOS?
>
> 1. Turn on (or restart) your computer.
> 2. When the blue DELLT logo appears, press <F2> immediately.
Tim Meddick
1). You may need to press [ENTER] on the value you want to change before attempting
to change it with +/-
2). Try changing the keyboard for another (if using a USB keyboard - try a PS2).
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John John - MVP
I know that this power on on a schedule is somewhat new but my machine
is more than 2 years old and it can do this.
John
Bob Tyrka
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Rick Merrill
> Hi Tim, Unfortunately that didn't work either.
>
>
> "Tim Meddick" <timme...@gawab.com> wrote in message
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>> Last suggestions -
>>
>> 1). You may need to press [ENTER] on the value you want to change before
>> attempting to change it with +/-
>>
>> 2). Try changing the keyboard for another (if using a USB keyboard - try a
>> PS2).
You can't do this with a wireless keyboard on some models...