WPA NOT sa bad
Adrian L
I want to clear some things up about Windows Product Activation. First, we
need to know that EVERY piece of hardware you have in your system has UNIQUE
identifiers. (MAC Address for NIC's, Processor ID's, RealTime Clocks, etc.)
When you enter a PID in Windows XP, it is hashed against several pieces of
hardware in your machine. (I'm not at liberty to tell you what pieces of
hardware, or how many.) The resultant value is then passed to a
clearinghouse (on the internet, or by phone if you prefer) and a
verification code is sent to activate windows. In effect, it ties the PID to
that specific computer, in its current configuration. Microsoft is aware
that customers will change the configuration of their computer. Changes in
hardware are expected, and allowed. It is only when a PID is trying to be
cleared on several hundred/thousand configurations that Microsoft would even
care. Microsoft isn't in the business of screwing customers, but they would
definitely like to give the shaft to thieves.
Windows Product Activation DOES NOT require you to get a new product key
every time you want to reinstall/format windows. Not the first time you
reinstall, not the 8 billionth time you reinstall. (You have to go through
the Activation process, but you are passing the same AUTH string to the
clearinghouse, it NEVER counts against you. There is no timeout for
reinstalling Windows against the same hardware, or several future hardware
upgrades.) Activation takes less than 10 seconds on a 56k modem, or 5
minutes on the phone with a telephone representative. It also takes place
before ANY personal information is even entered.
Your product key is bound to the hardware in your system. If you change your
hardware SIGNIFICANTLY, you can still reactivate. (In fact, only on HIGH
volume keys with different hardware will MS stop accepting the pirate key.)
ie. Customer has a product key, he can go through a FEW COMPLETE computer
overhauls, use the same product key, and be just fine. NOW, if a product key
is used in 1000 different hardware configurations, we don't let THAT product
get activated. The PID has then become worthless. Nobody can activate
Windows with it. This makes PID sharing (the most common form of Windows
piracy) a little more costly. If YOU ever want to reinstall the Windows YOU
bought, YOU better keep your key, and not give it away, or post it on the
internet.
In a test environment, which I'm sure you will be using Windows for in a lot
of scenarios, you probably won't have a Windows that's more than 30 days old
before you wipe it. (no need to activate.)
We've determined that a crack will be out for this method of activation
within one week after RTM, but this is not to stop those guys. This is to
stop the casual piracy of Windows, and I think it will be a viable solution.
Bottom line is you should pay for the software you use.
JimE
> minutes on the phone with a telephone representative. It also takes place
> before ANY personal information is even entered.
Gah!
If you are working with a mobile computer and don´t got
any phone or internet conection in miles? The risk that
the programs willl stop working due to Windows do
suspect that you installed new hardeware or did one
more installation is always there. When I do pay for a
OS I do expect that I shall got the freedom to use it in
that computer´s I work with. I do use 3 computers.
One Stationery, one lap-top and one that works like a
firewall/proxy/server. Do I must pay for 3 WindowsXP
if I still want to run so? Can I trust that my server don´t
start to ask call MS or that I can change all cards in my
Lap-Top without needing a new code?.
P.S Sorry for the bad spelling
Jeffrey
is the kind of thing MS is trying to prevent, casual piracy. Since people
refuse to read the current license agreements for their OS's and abide by
them they decided they needed to play another card, hence WPA.
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Jeffrey
"Beer is proof that God loves us
and wants us to be happy" -- Benjamin Franklin.
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Joey Martin
into their processors. Which was kind of a flop.
Nobody needs to know what I've got in my system. Hardware, Software or
whatever. If they take these ID's and apply simple matchmatical calculations
to them, then they can come up with whatever you have and hackers will
figure this out and then you face the possibility of intrusion into your
system. Always easier to attack the known than the unknown.
Just playing the devils advocate here. ( my favorite thing to do):-)
Joe
"JimE" <ano...@user.se> wrote in message
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Jeffrey
though, people are vulnerable to that with or without Windows XP. If you
are not firewalled off now then a quick port scan can fingerprint your
system and tell me what OS you are most likely running as well as what apps
you have running listening for connections. If you are firewalled off you
have a bit more safety, but there will always be new vulnerabilities and
exploits released.
With that being said if the information falls to the wrong hands it could
possibly be used against you. People do like their privacy and I cannot say
I blame them. It is hard telling at this point, the privacy issue is
probably the biggest point.
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Jeffrey
"Beer is proof that God loves us
and wants us to be happy" -- Benjamin Franklin.
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Joey Martin
minutes on the phone with a telephone representative. It also takes place
before ANY personal information is even entered."
Are these two ideas tied together. Just a couple of quick questions. IF the
support issues are gonna cost extra?, and how long does it take to get
through on a phone request, most customer support services have totally
forgotten what customer service is and you better have plenty of time to
accomplish this feat.
Submit request for help to Microsoft using the web
Paid support costs $35. You may qualify for no-charge support. We should
begin working on your submission within one business day.
Once again, not trying to create problems, just looking for answers for
curious minds.
Personally I like what I've seen of XP and am planning on getting it as
soon as it comes out officially, for now just patiently waiting aroung for
my d/l information to be sent my way.:-)
"Adrian L" <n...@working.com> wrote in message
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Rob Pitt
information can be extracted from it.
The mathematically process of hashing essential destroys all the
information that was initially used to seed the hash. Hence it is
genuinely impossible for anyone (Microsoft or otherwise) to ever get any
information back out of the hardware id.
Rob
"Joey Martin" <jmar...@stx.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Sounds to me kinda like the effort Intel went to with the ID's being
built
> into their processors. Which was kind of a flop.
>
> Nobody needs to know what I've got in my system. Hardware, Software or
> whatever. If they take these ID's and apply simple matchmatical
calculations
> to them, then they can come up with whatever you have and hackers will
> figure this out and then you face the possibility of intrusion into
your
> system. Always easier to attack the known than the unknown.
>
> Just playing the devils advocate here. ( my favorite thing to do):-)
>
> Joe
> "JimE" <ano...@user.se> wrote in message
> news:OWELQPKBBHA.2016@tkmsftngp05...
> > > Activation takes less than 10 seconds on a 56k modem, or 5
> > > minutes on the phone with a telephone representative. It also
takes
> place
> > > before ANY personal information is even entered.
> >
> > Gah!
> > If you are working with a mobile computer and don愒 got
> > any phone or internet conection in miles? The risk that
> > the programs willl stop working due to Windows do
> > suspect that you installed new hardeware or did one
> > more installation is always there. When I do pay for a
> > OS I do expect that I shall got the freedom to use it in
> > that computer愀 I work with. I do use 3 computers.
> > One Stationery, one lap-top and one that works like a
> > firewall/proxy/server. Do I must pay for 3 WindowsXP
> > if I still want to run so? Can I trust that my server don愒
Rickster
Regards,
Rick
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Paul Gray
activate, which in my opinion is plenty of time to get to a phone so that
you can call a toll free number, unless you are mountaineering on a long
expedition or something like that.
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Associate Expert
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> Gah!
> If you are working with a mobile computer and don愒 got
> any phone or internet conection in miles? The risk that
> the programs willl stop working due to Windows do
> suspect that you installed new hardeware or did one
> more installation is always there. When I do pay for a
> OS I do expect that I shall got the freedom to use it in
> that computer愀 I work with. I do use 3 computers.
> One Stationery, one lap-top and one that works like a
> firewall/proxy/server. Do I must pay for 3 WindowsXP
> if I still want to run so? Can I trust that my server don愒
Markos Berndt
know that its not the same hardware.
Markos
"Jeffrey" <jeffrey@az*net.kom> wrote in message
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nick
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class
\Net\0001]
"NETWORKADDRESS"="xx-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx"
that's for windows 98. the "unique id" of your nic. i've
changed it 1000 times and i intend to continue doing so
for reasons i will not discuss.
if they truly want to reduce casual piracy, i can
guarantee, windows will become too expensive and people
will start using other os's. microsoft, don't be stupid!!!
>.
>
Ian Semmel
copy of XP, and then discover that WPA means that they can't install it on
their other machines at home. They will NOT go out and buy another copy (nor
should they have to). They will install copies of Windows 2000.
WPA is going to apply to all MS products, not just the OS. So if a household
has 3 computers (or more, not uncommon), do you expect that they will buy 3
copies of WinXP, 3 copies of OfficeXP ? No way. Most people can't afford
that.
If you have a dual-boot configuration, you need different activation codes
for a product, even though they are on the same computer and can't be used
simultaneously. In this circumstance, would you buy two copies of say
OfficeXP ?
What would happen if a car manufacturer said that the car can only be driven
by you but not your wife ?
If I buy a copy of XP and sell it to others or copy it illegally, let MS sue
me. But what I do with it personally is none of their business. I don't mind
having to register a product so they know I have it, but if I want to
install it on a new computer, that's my business.
Over time, as people upgrade computers, MS WILL refuse to activate the
software. This has happened with Office2000 in my experience.
So think ahead.
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larry samuels
numbers will give it away.
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Larry Samuels
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"Markos Berndt" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
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Shiranui Gen-An
"Ian Semmel" <ise...@rocketcomp.com.au> wrote in message
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> My prediction is that people will buy a computer with XP on it, or buy a
> copy of XP, and then discover that WPA means that they can't install it on
> their other machines at home. They will NOT go out and buy another copy
(nor
> should they have to).
Um, do you READ the EULA for software when you install it? It has ALWAYS
been this way, only now MS has found a way to enforce it.
Slugsie
your network card is stored in the cards ROM, and can't be changed. What's
stored in the registry is just a reflection of the ROM. For WinXP, the
chances are that you won't be able to alter the registry entry before
Windows has created the hash.
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"Paul Gray" <paul...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> I agree with your point apart from the fact that you have 14 days to
> activate, which in my opinion is plenty of time to get to a phone so that
> you can call a toll free number, unless you are mountaineering on a long
> expedition or something like that.
>
> --
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>
> Paul Gray
>
> Associate Expert
>
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
> > Gah!
> > If you are working with a mobile computer and don´t got
> > any phone or internet conection in miles? The risk that
> > the programs willl stop working due to Windows do
> > suspect that you installed new hardeware or did one
> > more installation is always there. When I do pay for a
> > OS I do expect that I shall got the freedom to use it in
> > that computer´s I work with. I do use 3 computers.
> > One Stationery, one lap-top and one that works like a
> > firewall/proxy/server. Do I must pay for 3 WindowsXP
> > if I still want to run so? Can I trust that my server don´t
kato
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Leon Emplit
I do work with the same file on the 2 different machines, i think it is
absurd that i would need to purchase 2 copies of a program so that 1 human
can use it in 2 places, this is where this stuff gets out of hand. It is
like buying 1 VHS tape and having to lug the VCR you first put it into
around to watch it in different locations.
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Leon
"kato" <ka...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The Stickman
their EULA is presntly written it is unenforceable!
"Jeffrey" <jeffrey@az*net.kom> wrote in message
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go-slo
machines, your desktop and your laptop.