Windows 7 update nightmare
Roger
than a new installation, on my new Acer desktop OK, but it was a hassle. I
ran the Upgrade Advisor and it said to uninstall ATI Install Manager and
re-install it after the upgrade, and to uninstall Canon Easy Photo-Printer
which was not compatible. So I did. Ran the Upgrade Advisor again and those
problems were gone. Ran the upgrade Windows7 media disk and after waiting for
the compatibility section to do its thing up it came saying that those two
applications were still problems. Trying to bypass them onto the next stage
only resulted in a crash, so, after endless experimenting, I found the only
way to progress was not only to uninstall those two applications but to
remove every trace of their folders and files and shortcuts on the machine,
then to go through the registry with Regedit and remove every trace of them
in every key. Only then would the upgrade work. Surely an upgrade should be
easier?
Roger
David Dickinson
"Roger" <Ro...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>...so, after endless experimenting, I found the only
> way to progress was not only to uninstall those two applications but to
> remove every trace of their folders and files and shortcuts on the
> machine,
> then to go through the registry with Regedit and remove every trace of
> them
> in every key. Only then would the upgrade work. Surely an upgrade should
> be
> easier?
>
> Roger
Wow. At first, I thought your use of the word "nightmare" might have been
hyperbole. Turns out, it was not. Thanks for sharing this. Too bad
there's not a Windows 7 newsgroup where this could have been posted (I'm
wondering if Microsoft wants to force us to use the social sites.)
I hope that you also post this in these forums:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windows7
David Dickinson
eveningstar at mvps dot org
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PA Bear [MS MVP]
Win7-specific "Install, activate & upgrade" support forum:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7install/threads
(No, there are no Win7-specific newsgroups, only web-based forums.)
David Dickinson
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> How does your post pertain to Windows Update (vs. upgrading Windows),
> Roger?
>
> Win7-specific "Install, activate & upgrade" support forum:
> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7install/threads
>
> (No, there are no Win7-specific newsgroups, only web-based forums.)
It might not be politically advantageous, but a lot of people consider
Windows 7 to be an update to Vista. Given that there aren't many
significant differences other than the loss of a lot of functionality,
configurability, and visual information, some unnecessarily cumbersome
reconfigurations of WinNT-era controls (file and folder security dialogs
comes to mind), and some performance improvements, I don't consider the
matter worth debating. They're not different creatures.
When an operating system allows me to ditch my keyboard and mouse and
control it vocally and visually, then we'll be talking "upgrade".
And some of us simply prefer to use newsgroups. The fact that Microsof has
decided not to mirror the messages on their web sites and newsgroups forums
for Windows 7, which was their practice for over a decade, doesn't leave
newsgroupies with many options. Think of the OP's post as a kind of
protest, and civil disobedience.
We shall overcome!
David Dickinson
eveningstar at mvps dot org
Windows 7 Annoyance #28:
As with Vista, the visual user interface design controls are split up into
many different windows and dialog boxes rather than being conveniently
accessible in a single dialog box as they were in Windows XP, 2000, ME, 98,
95, NT, 3.x, and 2.x (I don't know about Windows 1.0 because I never used
it). Drastically changing a visual controls configuration that has been in
use for two decades has been done too casually, leaving many inexpert users
stumbling about looking for things that they had previously (and finally)
learned to use.
PA Bear [MS MVP]
whatsoever. As such, discussions of upgrading to Windows is off-topic in
this newsgroup as well as in the Windows Update-specific forum, David.
[It's bad enough that the WU-specific forum, which handles all traffic from
Win7, Vista, and WinXP forums, has become swamped with posts about upgrading
to Win7.]
David Dickinson
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Upgrading to Win7 does not entail any Windows Update functionality
> whatsoever. As such, discussions of upgrading to Windows is off-topic in
> this newsgroup as well as in the Windows Update-specific forum, David.
You're absolutely correct! I should have made it clear that I don't
disagree. But I understand why the OP posted that issue here, and I won't
hold it against him. As I said, I simply consider it to be an act of
justified civil disobedience because there are no Windows 7-related
newsgroups. Sure, I'm certain that the OP didn't intend to violate any
social protocols, but even if it was accidental, civil disobedience it was.
> [It's bad enough that the WU-specific forum, which handles all traffic
> from Win7, Vista, and WinXP forums, has become swamped with posts about
> upgrading to Win7.]
Thus the need to create a set of Windows 7-related newsgroups. They should
exactly mirror the official "social" web-based forums, as they have for many
years. But Microsoft wants us to move to the "social" web sites (for some
reason that they haven't made clear).
And I protest! Give me USENET or give me death! :-J
David
Bullwinkle's news
Currently it is found on nntp.aioe.org. you don't have to register or sign
in or pay.
Regards
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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PA Bear [MS MVP]
The IE-specific Win7, Vista, & WinXP forums all point to
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads/
There isn't even a Win7-specific newsgroup on the private MVP server. (Talk
about howls of protests! <w>)
Dave T.
PA Bear, I agree with both of you in principle, but I am happy to use
the social forums because there seems to be a lack of trolls there.
Perhaps that is what MS has in mind in the first place.
Dave T.
David Dickinson
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> PA Bear, I agree with both of you in principle, but I am happy to use the
> social forums because there seems to be a lack of trolls there. Perhaps
> that is what MS has in mind in the first place.
> Dave T.
Forums without trolls? Then they are simply moderated forums, as the
newsgroups could be.
David Dickinson
> FWIW:
>
> The IE-specific Win7, Vista, & WinXP forums all point to
> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads/
>
> There isn't even a Win7-specific newsgroup on the private MVP server.
> (Talk about howls of protests! <w>)
And there used to be an Italian Windows 7 group on msnews,
microsoft.public.it.windows7, but now it is gone. I would think that such a
policy change might benefit from a public statement in explanation, but I
sure haven't seen one. For instance, if integrating the newsgroups into
their support search tool was proving to be impractical (which could be true
for many reasons), they could offer that explanation. But it's like they're
being sneaky about it. Ick!
Dave T.
Exactly! But wait, the newsgroups are not moderated, hence the trolls. I
suppose the concept of attempting to moderate usenet is more than any
entity might want to undertake. I don't blame them for that, and it
*may* explain why the MS Social forums exist. I support the freedom of
usenet, but using that freedom to spew filth because they have no other
life is not something I want to live with. That is MY freedom.
Dave T.
ANONYMOUS
Dave T. wrote:
> Exactly! But wait, the newsgroups are not moderated, hence the trolls.
Newsgroups ARE moderated except that the MVPs responsible are completely
useless in their responsibilities. I suggest try posting a link to a
porn site and within minutes that antipodean who claims to have high
moral values will remove it as soon as he wakes up. Alternatively tell
an MVP that he is a a very smelly Most Valuable Pig and this too will
be removed immediately.
hth
David Dickinson
news:eg5%23SVkZK...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
You're wrong, hth. The MVPs are not responsible for moderating these
forums, unless the policy has changed since I was an MVP. If they were
moderated by MVPs, there would be some Windows 7 newsgroups.
Any "moderation" that I've seen here over the years has been simply to
remove spam or completely substanceless posts (usually one-word posts like
"hi" or "asdf", etc.). For the most part, these are unmoderated forums, and
you should try to familiarize yourself with facts (such as by asking
questions) in order to aleviate your crippling ignorance before you start
insulting people.
PA Bear [MS MVP]
> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>> FWIW:
>>
>> The IE-specific Win7, Vista, & WinXP forums all point to
>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads/
>>
>> There isn't even a Win7-specific newsgroup on the private MVP server.
>> (Talk about howls of protests! <w>)
>
> the social forums because there seems to be a lack of trolls there.
> Perhaps that is what MS has in mind in the first place.
There are plenty of clueless trolls in those forums, believe me. In the
forums, however, MS both owns the content and controls it (since you must
have a Live ID to post). The former is the most likely reason MS moved all
Win7 support to those forums.
PA Bear [MS MVP]
>> Forums without trolls? Then they are simply moderated forums, as the
>> newsgroups could be.
>>
>
There are several moderated MS newsgroups. None of them are publicly
accessible, however...nor are the forums, unless you just want read-only
access.
PA Bear [MS MVP]
>> FWIW:
>>
>> The IE-specific Win7, Vista, & WinXP forums all point to
>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads/
>>
>> There isn't even a Win7-specific newsgroup on the private MVP server.
>> (Talk about howls of protests! <w>)
>
> And there used to be an Italian Windows 7 group on msnews,
> microsoft.public.it.windows7, but now it is gone. I would think that such
> a
> policy change might benefit from a public statement in explanation, but I
> sure haven't seen one. For instance, if integrating the newsgroups into
> their support search tool was proving to be impractical (which could be
> true
> for many reasons), they could offer that explanation. But it's like
> they're
> being sneaky about it. Ick!
Sinofsky and his mafia being sneaky? Perish the thought!