RE: HELP! Windows Update Problem with IE8 beta

[Msftone]

This should now be fixed .... the site seems to support IE8 useragent and
correctly works.

"zkyboy" wrote:

> After updating my IE7 to IE8 today, I tried to update my windows vista by
> visting the Windows Update Website:http://www.update.microsoft.com, but then
> I was redirected to an error page:
> http://www.update.microsoft.com/windowsupdate/v6/thanks.aspx?ln=en&&thankspage=5
> WHY? IS IE8 not the latest version browser?

[TaurArian]

1. There's a special newsgroup for IE8 Beta.
2. WU cannot be reached by Vista. The website has been replaced by Windows Update in
Control Panel. (but you knew that didn't you).
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"Msftone" <Msf...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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[Patrick93001]

I am still using WindowsXP Home and I started getting this error message
right after I updated to IE7 (I have version 7.0.5730.11). I spent months
corresponding with a MS Tech Rep with no resolution to the problem.
Eventually he just stopped returning my emails...
I have tried reverting to the previous version, 6.x That was not successful
and caused a host of other problems, that I have been able to resolve, but
still the inability to connect to Microsoft Update persists. My automatic
updates work, but I have no idea if there are any optional software and
hardware that are available. For months now I have been using Windiz Updates
through Firefox, but even that isn't clear whether I am getting all possible
updates, which I prefer...whether I need certain ones or not.

[Patrick93001]

Follow-up to my previous post:
Downloaded and installed IE8, clicked the 'Emulate7' button. NOTHING has
changed. Still cannot go to Windows Update (Microsoft Update). I find it
absolutely unconscionable that Microsoft can allow these problems to persist
for months if not years. Perhaps M$ might consider fixing what they have
already released before they release newer versions or if they do release
newer versions, please make sure that all existing issues unresolved GET
resolved. Yeah I AM pretty pissed off.

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

And I find it "absolutely unconscionable" that you persist in posting about
IE8 Beta 1 in this newsgroup when several posters have already pointed you
to the IE Beta newsgroup: microsoft.public.internetexplorer.beta

Via the web-interface:
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.beta

Via your newsreader:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.beta
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~PA Bear

[moodboom]

Patrick93001 I totally agree with you, I'm in the same position (but using
XP). And IE8 will NOT uninstall. So I can't get rid of it, and I can't
patch it. Thanks again, Microsoft!

http://news.thedigitalmachine.com/2009/02/25/ie8-continuing-a-long-tradition-of-sucking/

[Msftone]

The site is still required to be used for "opt-in" to MU.

So IE8 on all supported SKUs is important for opt-in but only for downlevel
(pre-Vista) for interactive experience.

Perhaps that is what you meant to say right

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

No, that is not what she meant to say. Vista computers CANNOT reach or
update via www.update.microsoft.com.

[TaurArian]

Repeat, for Vista - "the website has been replaced by Windows Update in
Control Panel"
Vista cannot, should not, is not designed to access the website for updates.
Clear enough?

Taursie

Msftone wrote:
:: The site is still required to be used for "opt-in" to MU.

[Harry Johnston [MVP]]

TaurArian wrote:

> Repeat, for Vista - "the website has been replaced by Windows Update in
> Control Panel"
> Vista cannot, should not, is not designed to access the website for updates.
> Clear enough?

As Msftone (somewhat elliptically) pointed out, you still need access to a MS
website in order to switch from Windows Update ("updates for windows only") to
Microsoft Update ("updates for windows and other microsoft products"). This is
also true in Windows 7, incidentally.

From context, I'm guessing that IE8 broke this functionality at some point in
the past, but the problem has now been fixed. Is that what you meant, Msftone?

Harry.

[TaurArian]

Harry Johnston [MVP] wrote:
::::
:: As Msftone (somewhat elliptically) pointed out, you still need

:: access to a MS website in order to switch from Windows Update
:: ("updates for windows only") to Microsoft Update ("updates for
:: windows and other microsoft products"). This is also true in
:: Windows 7, incidentally.
::
:: From context, I'm guessing that IE8 broke this functionality at some
:: point in the past, but the problem has now been fixed. Is that what
:: you meant, Msftone?
::
:: Harry.

::
::
::
::::::
Hi Harry,

For Vista -

Under "Change Settings" - see Choose how Windows can install updates.
Notice: Update Service - Use Microsoft Update

If the new Update Agent has been installed, it's still under Change
Settings, but it's called Microsoft Update and you check Give me updates for
Microsoft Products and check for new optional Microsoft Software when I
update Windows etc.

You don't got to the website at all.

Perhaps that's changed in Windows 7 but not in Vista.

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[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

TaurArian wrote:
> Harry Johnston [MVP] wrote:
>>>>>
>>> As Msftone (somewhat elliptically) pointed out, you still need
>>> access to a MS website in order to switch from Windows Update
>>> ("updates for windows only") to Microsoft Update ("updates for
>>> windows and other microsoft products"). This is also true in
>>> Windows 7, incidentally.
>>>
>>> From context, I'm guessing that IE8 broke this functionality at some
>>> point in the past, but the problem has now been fixed. Is that what
>>> you meant, Msftone?
>>>

> Hi Harry,
>
> For Vista -
>
> Under "Change Settings" - see Choose how Windows can install updates.
> Notice: Update Service - Use Microsoft Update
>
> If the new Update Agent has been installed, it's still under Change
> Settings, but it's called Microsoft Update and you check Give me updates
> for
> Microsoft Products and check for new optional Microsoft Software when I
> update Windows etc.
>
> You don't got to the website at all.
>
> Perhaps that's changed in Windows 7 but not in Vista.

What a mess!

@Harry: See the bottom-most figure on this page:
http://taurarian.mvps.org/Screenshots_Vista/before_and_after.html

[I told you it'd come in handy, Kay! <wink>]

[Harry Johnston [MVP]]

TaurArian wrote:

> :: As Msftone (somewhat elliptically) pointed out, you still need
> :: access to a MS website in order to switch from Windows Update
> :: ("updates for windows only") to Microsoft Update ("updates for
> :: windows and other microsoft products"). This is also true in
> :: Windows 7, incidentally.

> For Vista -

>
> Under "Change Settings" - see Choose how Windows can install updates.
> Notice: Update Service - Use Microsoft Update

That option only appears once Microsoft Update is already installed. On a clean
system, the only way I can find to install Microsoft Update is via the web site.
I've checked Vista SP1 and SP2.

Harry.

[TaurArian]

Hi Harry,

Interesting, Vista Updates has always been control through the Control Panel
(my laptop has never been to the website and it uses MU).

Kaylene

[Stefan Kanthak]

Since Vista WU/MU is implemented without the web site.

And: tertium datur!
Set the following registry entry during installation of W2K, XP or
W2K3 (haven't used this on Vista and later yet) and MU will
automatically be registered with AU:

[HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\PendingServiceRegistration\7971F918-A847-4430-9279-4A52D1EFE18D]
"RegisterWithAU"=dword:01

See <http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa826676(VS.85).aspx>

Stefan

[Harry Johnston [MVP]]

Stefan Kanthak wrote:

> Since Vista WU/MU is implemented without the web site.

But apart from the web site there doesn't appear to be any GUI option in either
Vista or Windows 7 to install MU.

Interesting that there is a scripting option, though.

Harry.

[Harry Johnston [MVP]]

TaurArian wrote:

> Interesting, Vista Updates has always been control through the Control Panel
> (my laptop has never been to the website and it uses MU).

Was this a OEM installation of Vista? If so, perhaps they preregistered it. (I
didn't know this was possible, but see the link in Stefan's reply.)

Harry.

[TaurArian]

Harry Johnston [MVP] wrote:

Hi Harry, Sorta OEM but not set to get MU. The original Vista RTM there was
an option to get updates for more products. This changed with SP1 and SP2 to
different wording/areas. Never had any problems with updates on that laptop.

Perhaps this has all changed again with the Windows Update Agent update. Who
knows, no one tells me anything !

All I ever had to do was change a setting to get MU and that was it, never
ever went to the website.

[Harry Johnston [MVP]]

TaurArian wrote:

> Hi Harry, Sorta OEM but not set to get MU. The original Vista RTM there was
> an option to get updates for more products.

Not if you got it direct from Microsoft. I tested this the other day; performed
a clean install of Vista RTM, and both with the original WUA and with the latest
WUA the only way to get to MU was via the web site.

To clarify, there *is* an option in the control panel, but when you select it,
it launches IE and goes to the web site.

Harry.

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

FWIW, installing Office 2007, Silverlight, and/or MSE will automatically
"flip" a computer to MU as the default.