How to play 24 bits AIFF audiofiles with windows media player v9?
adr...@chello.nl
The K-lite codec pack 3.70 doesn't work either. Most players play the
24 bits wav files but not the 24 bits AIFF.
I do not want to use the program Foobar or Winamp, I like to use as
less possible media players as possible.
Do you have a solution for playing 24 bits AIFF files in windows media
player v9?
Chris P.
Do you have a (smallish) sample file? I might be able to make it work if
you can post a link.
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zachd [MSFT]
Chris' request is excellent.
Also, where are you creating/getting these from? I'm surprised to see
people still caring about AIFF. I like them too, it just seems that they've
kind of fallen below everyone's radar and are kind of near shuffling off the
table of relevance.
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adr...@chello.nl
I still have hundreds of aiff files and I don't see the reason for
converting them while programmers can make programs to read them.
It's just a file format and it's even better than the dozens of
compressed file formats that programmers do work on. In fact it's a
shame that Microsoft doesn't have a way to play 24 bits aiff files in
Windows Media Player. The 24 bits file format is more than 10 years
old and used by much professional musicians.
And there is another thing. In very experimental conditions AIFF is
more stable then WAV. I do data experiments and have lots of proof
that it is more stable. Players handle the data better when the files
are a bit broken because of the data experiments.
I asked the following on the windows media newsgroups but I cannot
post there anymore.
And there is another thing I can ask here.....
Maybe starting a new thread works, reacting to my post doesn't.
How does this interface work? I mean I don't know how to post here!
I get a form and then what?
- I guess I got to click on 'accept', I did that.
- I don't have to click 'notify me of replies'.
- I type in the text.
What more, I don't see anything happen. The 2 buttons on the bottom on
the screen don't have any text with my windows settings. What do I
have to do. Posting like this is doing a gamble not knowing WHY it
worked.
Besides the text window for the message the user has 4 things to fill
in, 4 lines of text. What does the user has to fill in there? I don't
see anything else then 4 lines. There are no names or text attached.
Could some moderator help me with this?
adr...@chello.nl
zachd [MSFT]
I wasn't arguing that they're out there, just that - like you pointed out -
the file format is rather dated. AIFF used to be a really important file
type, but it's been sadly forgotten about by many, I'd think.
Chris has asked for a sample file here - did you ever get him one? That
seems like an interesting request/question.
I don't think the web site newsgroup front-end is awesomely functional right
now, but don't know a lick about it. You'd want to contact actual support
about that to figure out what they know.
I suspect that because this file format has fallen by the wayside that you
would not expect to see new or cool AIFF support. If you have some awesome
statistics that show how prevalent this file format is, that might be
useful, but I think at this point in history you and I are on the wrong side
of the popularity curve for AIFF. =)
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John Lockwood
[MSFT]" <za...@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> I wasn't arguing that they're out there, just that - like you pointed out -
> the file format is rather dated. AIFF used to be a really important file
> type, but it's been sadly forgotten about by many, I'd think.
>
> Chris has asked for a sample file here - did you ever get him one? That
> seems like an interesting request/question.
>
> I don't think the web site newsgroup front-end is awesomely functional right
> now, but don't know a lick about it. You'd want to contact actual support
> about that to figure out what they know.
>
> I suspect that because this file format has fallen by the wayside that you
> would not expect to see new or cool AIFF support. If you have some awesome
> statistics that show how prevalent this file format is, that might be
> useful, but I think at this point in history you and I are on the wrong side
> of the popularity curve for AIFF. =)
Zach,
It would help (even for 16bit AIFF) if WMP supported reading the embedded
RIFF chunk tags used in AIFF files by Apple and iTunes. As AIFF was
originally specified by Apple this is the prevalent tag format for AIFF
files.
In WMP10 at least (I have not yet moved to WMP11), there is the bizarre
situation that WMP can as standard _play_ 16bit AIFF files, but will not let
you add them to it's library because it does not support reading the tags
from AIFF files.
Sample AIFF files (both 16bit and 24bit) can be obtained from this webpage
http://www-mmsp.ece.mcgill.ca/Documents/AudioFormats/AIFF/Samples.html
zachd [MSFT]
AIFF is added to the library as Type:Other, so check your Other Media view.
=)
Do the files on that site have metadata? It's sometimes difficult to find
sample files with metadata in them.
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adr...@chello.nl
Chris has asked for a sample file here - did you ever get him one?
That seems like an interesting request/question.
I don't think the web site newsgroup front-end is awesomely functional
right now, but don't know a lick about it.
You'd want to contact actual support about that to figure out what
they know.
I suspect that because this file format has fallen by the wayside that
you would not expect to see new or cool AIFF support. If you have
some awesome statistics that show how prevalent this file format is,
that might be useful...
End of quote
In a first email Chris P said:
I checked the source code for the Microsoft "WAV Parser" which is the
filter that is responsible for reading .wav and .aif files.
Unfortunately it apparently only supports .aif files having either 8
or 16-bits, any other bit depth with throw an error. AIF files have
the audio samples written "backwards" from an Intel perspective as
they are big-endian and not the Intel friendly little-endian as that
was the format preferred by the Motorola processors used by Apple at
the time. The WAV Parser has to "flip" these bits around, and it just
doesn't have the code to flip for the 24-bit case.
Perhaps a work around is to save your files as 24-bit WAV files
instead? You can make legacy 24-bit WAV files work in WMP by
installing my "Legacy HD Audio Filter" from my website. The only
thing actually legacy about the files saved by GoldWave and other
audio editors is the header.
Regards,
-Chris
Later he said:
It isn't actually a codec that is the problem here but a part of
Windows called DirectShow that Media Player relies on. The filter
called "WAV Parser" which is responsible for reading these files is
rejecting the file because the bit depth is greater than 16. My guess
is that when Microsoft wrote this filter there weren't any AIFF files
with a bit depth more than 16.
It really isn't hard, Microsoft could fix the code if they want to. I
don't think they will though. Other programs that don't use
DirectShow don't have this problem. It is possible for someone to
write a new replacement filter for the WAV Parser or a separate AIF
Reader but I'm don't think anyone has yet.
-Chris
About AIFF
I could prove that the AIFF format is more stable than WAV after doing
data experiments on them. WAV cannot be played anymore in about 10% of
the experiments. But since almost nobody do these strange experiments,
it isn't important.
About the MSDN website
The MSDN website doesn't work, but the form did look normal only 1
time yesterday. I don't think I am going to use it anymore, it is the
most user unfriendly forum I have ever been.
You talk about getting contact with the support department of that
MSDN forum. Well, I couldn't find it before, I would like to tell them
the truth, where is that support department? Where do I click, when I
click somewhere at the bottom of the screen it takes me to the
national support which would cost me 72 euro's per request.
adr...@chello.nl
automatically to the MSDN forum?
My previous post was only posted here on the google groups but it is
now also readable in the MSDN forum,
strange isn't it?
zachd [MSFT]
There's tons of front-ends to the same basic UseNet forums. Google Group
(nee DejaNews) is just another portal to the same place. =)
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<adr...@chello.nl> wrote in message
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John Lockwood
[MSFT]" <za...@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> AIFF is added to the library as Type:Other, so check your Other Media view.
> =)
>
> Do the files on that site have metadata? It's sometimes difficult to find
> sample files with metadata in them.
I would be pretty sure those sample files do not have meta data.
For that you would be best to generate a test file using the 'reference'
standard which is iTunes. You can either rip a track from CD to AIFF, or
convert an existing track (e.g. MP3) to AIFF. (A bit pointless in normal
operation, but good enough to generate a sample.).
Theoretically, you could use iTunes to add meta data to (some of) those
samples.
I did not suggest iTunes for 24bit samples since it does not let you specify
that.
PS. Having WMP add AIFF files to 'other' makes its support for AIFF
pointless. You cannot then browse it as normal music, or subsequently use it
as music in Media Center (which relies on WMP's library organisation). I
fail to see the point of WMP supporting a music file format, and failing to
support the matching meta tag format, WMP is therefore only doing half the
job.