Shutdow and Poweroff
AAH
I am having a problem - not all the time -
When I shutdown WinMe it does not
"Poweroff" the compputer. It has to be
turned from the socket.
When nest time I turn on the socket it automatically starts the reboot
process
without pressing the switch on the front of
the machine.
The Power Options scheme is
"Home/Office Desk" setup by the manufacturer.
Any help would be appreciated?
Mart
quite old, mid 90's then it would probably have an AT type unit. If later
(late 90-2000+) probably an ATX type unit.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_supply_unit_(computer)#AT_vs._ATX
The older AT unit relies a front panel 'mains switch' which physically
carries actual mains power on and off to the actual PSU via the front panel.
The later ATX unit usually has it's mains switch (for isolation purposes) at
the rear of the computer actually mounted on the PSU itself, but uses a
signal wire carried to the front panel where a safer low voltage signal is
used to connect to a simple low voltage on/off switch.
Yours sounds like the older (AT) model where the front panel mains-carrying
switch has a notorious reputation of burnt or welded contacts, where the
power intermittently remains on, no matter which way the switch is set. If
so, a replacement switch will be required.
On the other hand, if an ATX unit, - well, we'll worry about that later if
necessary.
Mart
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AAH
Thank you very much for your attention.
I do not know much inside the box.
We bought this Fujitsu Siemens model called
at that time Euroline 1.0GHz CDRW some time middle of 2001 with WinMe
installed.
The switch at the front of the machine never
had to be used to turn off since the Shutdown
command would do that function.
Even if the WinMe is on thatswitch would not
function to poweroff the machine. There is no other switch on the machine.
If WinMe gets stuck the only way out was to
turn the machine off and on from the socket.
The machine switch will only turn off and on
it only when it is in DOS Prompt.
The PSU should be ATX standard?
It has been working ok over the years.
It is only happening on occasions for the
las few montgs.
Any further advice would be highly appreciated.
"Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
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Mart
specific shutdown problem you should be aware that to force a manual
powerdown you don't need to switch off at the wall socket. You simply press
*and hold* the front panel power button for several seconds. A simple 'dab'
at the switch will only instigate a shutdown if/when Windows is up and
running 'normally'. (Similar to the 'quick' power-off button on your
keyboard *if provided*)
Now to your intermittent shutdown problem.
There could be a multitude of reasons, each of which you'll have to
investigate yourself. So it might be better for me to direct you to the MS
Knowledge Base and other sources, rather than list them here. However, try
to confirm that your machine is not attempting to go into either Standby or
Hibernate mode - see later in the KB articles. (Sounds like a cop-out, but
they are far better explained there than I could hope to do)
Try:-
"How to Troubleshoot Windows Me Shutdown Problems"
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/273746/en-us
Take a look at Jim Eshelman's excellent troubleshooting site. The following
two URL's link directly to articles on WinME shutdown problems:
http://www.aumha.org/a/shtdwnme.htm
http://aumha.org/win4/a/shutdown.htm
And a very interesting article in the KB which I'd never seen before -
although was fully aware of the problem!
"Computer Stops Responding (Hangs) During Shut Down or Restart Process After
Writing to Removable Media"
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/284969/en-us
It's the "by design" tag that I like <g> Always said that you learn
something new here every day.
Just another thought to consider as you delve into the above, have you
recently altered any hardware configurations (LAN, modem, USB devices, ..)?
Might give a clue!
Hope this helps and good luck.
Mart
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AAH
Thank you very much for the detailed points.
I never used the Stand by command and the
Hibernate command has been disabled for a
very very long time and not keen to enable it.
I suppose these two points do not matter much for poweroff purpose.
I certainly remember your tip to poweroff from front switch.
I shall definitely look very carefully into other
points you detailed therein.
Once again thank you very much for your help.
"Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
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AAH
Further more about hardware configuration is
I was using a external USB 40GB removeable
hd only off and on to backup.
Now I also use external USB hd 80GB.
The machine is came with USB1.1 but I added
up Belkan high speed USB2 card and givenup
the use of USB 1.1but have not done anything
to disable the USB 1.1 inside the machine.
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Mart
You're welcome for the front panel 'power-off' tip and good luck with 'other
points'. Standby & Hibernate were only mentioned as possible
'top-of-the-list' suggestions which *might* interfere with shutdown, but you
seem to have eliminated them. The rest is a process of elimination, I'm
afraid. The Aumha pages have plenty of items to tackle <g>
Regarding the integral USB 1.1 - best just leave well alone. It's unlikely
to affect anything, particularly as you don't use it.
However, it might just be worth pulling the external USB drives (assuming
they are plugged-in whenever you suffer your shut-down problems) again,
simply for elimination purposes.
Mart
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