Source Control

Zhang Zhiqun

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Jul 9, 2002, 10:54:51 AM7/9/02

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Hi

I am searching some source code controllor to control the Windows CE
development.

It must have the ability to control:
1. Source codes for every componments.
2. The third party's binary code
3. The project configuration.
4. The envirements.

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Zhang Zhiqun (Bula)

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Paul G. Tobey

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Jul 9, 2002, 2:39:49 PM7/9/02

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We use StarTeam for code control. You'll have to figure out your own way to
control and configure the environment variables on the workstation,
though...

Paul T.

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Marcel Telka

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Jul 10, 2002, 2:54:34 AM7/10/02

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On Tue, 09 Jul 2002 16:54:51 +0200, Zhang Zhiqun wrote:

> Hi
>
> I am searching some source code controllor to control the Windows CE
> development.
>
> It must have the ability to control:
> 1. Source codes for every componments. 2. The third party's binary code
> 3. The project configuration.
> 4. The envirements.

We are using CVS - http://www.cvshome.org/ with WinCVS frontend.

Regards.

Rui Tang

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Jul 10, 2002, 3:10:06 AM7/10/02

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We are using CVS too. It seems nobody is using sourcesafe. :)

Rui Tang

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Marcel Telka

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Jul 10, 2002, 3:22:55 AM7/10/02

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On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:10:06 +0200, Rui Tang wrote:

> We are using CVS too. It seems nobody is using sourcesafe. :)

sourcesafe is not a free software :-)

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

Jerry

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Jul 10, 2002, 3:32:24 AM7/10/02

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Hi,

It is interesting to know how you decide which files to
save in the repository. We are using Jalindi Igloo which
integrates in the environment. Check
http://www.jalindi.com/igloo
This program uses cvs, it works fine with eVC4.0. With PB4
you can save your workspace file, I've not yot been able
to save any modifications on OAL code from within PB4.
Which file should I put under sourcecontrol to save the
contents of my platform?

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Jul 10, 2002, 12:36:59 PM7/10/02

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That has little to do with SourceSafe and everything to do with the PB
IDE the integration in PB just doesn't do BSP tree with ANY source
code provider (not just SourceSafe) However it's not difficult to set
up the source control in the SourceSafe UI. It would be ideal if PB
actually supported version control better. This has been an issue for
a while and I and others have had discussions with the Project
managers at MS about it. Hopefully future versions will get it working
the way we really want it to work.

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Larry Morris [MS]

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Jul 12, 2002, 1:32:11 AM7/12/02

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As Steve points out, we already have a pretty good idea what he would like
to see based on previous conversations. But if anyone else has a specific
request for allowing PB to fit into their source control system, please let
us know. We are aware that this is an important issue and are looking into
solutions to address the wide range of requirements.

One big differentiator typically seems to be: Do you want to place just
your own files under version ctonrol, or do you also wish to check an antire
PB isntallation into version control so that everyone can sync and be
assured they have the same PB (qfes, etc). Controlling PB has some
different issues than just controlling your additions to PB. I'm also
interested in any quirks of your version control, such as one system (which
I'll leave unnamed) which prevents the version controlled sources from
residing on the same drive as the PB installation. Those types of issues
in particular we need to hear about.

Thanks

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Rui Tang

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Jul 12, 2002, 6:42:30 AM7/12/02

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I guess controlling a whole BSP tree is already enough for most needs.
Controlling the whole PB seems a little nonsense to me. :-)

Rui Tang

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Steve Maillet (eMVP)

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Jul 12, 2002, 9:18:26 AM7/12/02

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Agreed but I've worked with clients that insisted on it to make sure
all developers were always working with the same QFEs applied.
Basically they would get an email of QFEs applied to the Version
control system and at the end of the day they would kick of a get
latest on the PB branches so they had the latest in the morning. That
falls into what I call crude but effective. Managing the QFEs is
tough.

Ideally MS would have a better way to identify the QFEs installed on a
system or applied to a particular image so that could be checked
against a manifest of some sort. Then only the manifest would need
Version control.

Of course it's easy to throw out ideas like this if I don't actually
have to implement it! ;-)

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Zhang Zhiqun

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Jul 14, 2002, 8:01:36 PM7/14/02

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Hi

Does MS use SD to control the whole codes or configurations on the Source
Codes Server?

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Zhang Zhiqun (Bula)

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zhang...@vip.sina.com (Private)

Jiangsu Guoguang Electronic Information Technology Co., Ltd.
http://www.guoguang.com.cn
93 Qingtan Road, Changzhou, Jiangsu, 213015, China
Tel: +86 519 697 0000 ext. 2372 (Office)
+8613601502162 (Mobile)
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Steve Maillet (eMVP)

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Jul 15, 2002, 7:58:13 AM7/15/02

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What is "SD"? What specifically do you mean by "Control the whole
codes or configurations"?

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Larry Morris [MS]

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Jul 15, 2002, 9:44:19 PM7/15/02

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Umm, I believe my official response to that question will have to be "What
is SD. Never heard of it". But yes of course, we do use a reasonably
powerful source control system for all our products. We also have internal
product teams such as Pocket PC and AutoPC who receive the RTM version of PB
in the same fashion as external customers and then use various versioning
mechanisms to combine our released PB binaries/sources with their own
version controlled sources.

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Larry Morris
Development Manager
Microsoft Windows CE OS

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Zhang Zhiqun

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Jul 17, 2002, 12:03:31 AM7/17/02

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Oh.

Does MS develop some internal Source control system?

Is it possible to use VSS/CVS to control the whole platform?

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Steve Maillet (eMVP)

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Jul 17, 2002, 8:52:00 AM7/17/02

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Yes, as has been discussed here - you can use any Version control
system you want. review these news groups and google to determine
exactly what files you should and shouldn't include in your version
control. The PB IDE does not at this time provide much in the way of
"Fully integrated" support for version control so you have to do it
manually with the tools provided by your source control system..

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Matt Lavigne

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Jul 17, 2002, 11:39:20 AM7/17/02

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> Agreed but I've worked with clients that insisted on it to make sure
> all developers were always working with the same QFEs applied.
> Basically they would get an email of QFEs applied to the Version
> control system and at the end of the day they would kick of a get
> latest on the PB branches so they had the latest in the morning. That
> falls into what I call crude but effective. Managing the QFEs is
> tough.

Where are the developers getting this plethora of QFE's to manage?
The only ones I've seen are on the "quarterly" ones on the MS website,
Jan-March being the last one.

Dean Ramsier

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Jul 17, 2002, 2:49:29 PM7/17/02

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It's a sore subject with me, and it's gotten worse over the last couple of
weeks. Go to www.microsoft.com/downloads and select the appropriate
platform and OS. Unfortunately, there now seems to be 3 different products,
Ce.Net platform builder, ce.net 4.0 platform builder and ce.net 4.1 platform
builder (how they can release QFEs for a product that's not been released is
beyond me). All of these QFEs used to be in one area in the downloads site,
presumably they are all intended for what we know as CE.NET 4.0. It's so
ridiculous it's laughable, now.

The stuff on msdn seems to only be quarterly qfe packs.

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Tim Clacy

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Jul 18, 2002, 4:16:22 AM7/18/02

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Hmm, something along the lines of 'Windows Update' notifications for CE OS
sources, binaries and Platform Builder might be nice... complete with the
ability to install... and un-install.

Steve Maillet (eMVP)

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Jul 18, 2002, 11:31:21 PM7/18/02

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Oh - you dreamer! ;-)

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Steve Maillet (eMVP)

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Jul 18, 2002, 11:30:23 PM7/18/02

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There are now over 80 for V3.0.

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