Windows 7 email program?

[Paul H]

What email should I use when I convert to Windows 7 in a few days? I must
be able to easily convert thousands of emails in hundreds of folders, many
nested within other folders, maybe 3 or 4 deep. I have 8 or more email
addresses that Windows Mail checks automatically. Is OEX any good? TIA,
Paul

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

OEX is not a Mail Client.

Win7 does not include any default Mail Client but you can install one of
your choosing (e.g., Windows Live Mail; MS Outlook; Eudora; Thunderbird).

You might consider migrating from Windows Mail to Windows Live Mail now to
ease the transition (assuming you wanna use Windows Live Mail as your
default Mail Client in Win7).

You'll find support for Windows Live Mail (WLMail) in this public newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
www.banthecheck.com

[Gary VanderMolen]

I want to stress again what PA Bear already mentioned.
If you plan to use Windows Live Mail with Windows 7, install it
on your Vista computer now. Hopefully it will auto-import all
your WM stuff. Then you can copy your WLM data from your
Vista computer and restore it on your Windows 7 computer.
A free third party program will do that job very nicely:

http://www.staticbackup.com/windows-live-mail-backup/
http://www.staticbackup.com/products.htm#swmbf

It does not transfer contacts, so you should handle those separately.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"Paul H" <NoSpampho...@att.net> wrote in message news:4914A9B5-5AC2-4949...@microsoft.com...

[CWLee]

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Win7 does not include any default Mail Client but you can
> install one of your choosing (e.g., Windows Live Mail; MS
> Outlook; Eudora; Thunderbird).
>
> You might consider migrating from Windows Mail to Windows
> Live Mail now to ease the transition (assuming you wanna
> use Windows Live Mail as your default Mail Client in
> Win7).

Do I assume correctly that W-7 will not support Windows
Mail? I'm currently using it, and am happy with it, so I'd
prefer not to make another switch (as I did when I went to
Vista, switching from Outlook Express to Windows Mail.)

Thanks.

[lemur]

Our sister forum, 'Windows 7 Forums' (http://www.sevenforums.com/) ,
might provide a good source of information for you.

--
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[Gary VanderMolen]

There is a hack available to allow some use of WM in Windows 7.
There are limitations to that hack. For one thing, it doesn't allow
Windows Mail to be set as the default mail client.

I suspect that future Windows Updates may make WM even less
compatible. You might as well see the handwriting on the wall and
upgrade to Windows Live Mail now.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"CWLee" <cdub...@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message news:%23bMtqMR...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[Steve Cochran]

OEX actually works in Windows 7, but the Winmail application has been
rendered unusable per se. There are some hacks out there, but they are
somewhat lacking their success.

I'd suggest keeping the old computer and using it rather than jumping into
Win7 and losing basic OS functionality.

steve

"Paul H" <NoSpampho...@att.net> wrote in message
news:4914A9B5-5AC2-4949...@microsoft.com...

[Steve Cochran]

That is correct at the moment. The WinMail application in Win7 is unusable
at the moment.

There is no need for users to update to Win7 and lose basic OS functionality
if they are happy with XP or Vista.

steve

"CWLee" <cdub...@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message
news:%23bMtqMR...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>

[Paul H]

Thanks, Steve. I tried the W7 beta and liked it. And I like the Outlook
Express / Windows Mail layout. So what to use in W7? Thunderbird looks
good, except there's no way to convert to it without hours of error-prone
drudgery. I find it hard to believe that I'm the only person with this
issue. Is there another credible alternative, with a conversion path?

"Steve Cochran" <scoc...@oehelp.com> wrote in message
news:eybNieaS...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[t-4-2]

Suggestion only......
Before you install Win7,
assuming you are now using Windows Mail, install Windows Live Mail. All you
messages, contacts etc will be transferred from WM to WLM automatically.
Now, go get your Win 7 which supports Windows Live Mail.
P.S. Windows Live Mail is to REPLACE Windows Mail which was shelved to the
back corner by MS.
Link to install Windows Live Mail : http://download.live.com
t-4-2

"Paul H" <NoSpampho...@att.net> wrote in message

news:Oq0drWcS...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Paul H]

I did as you suggested. After my files were converted, I started using Live
Mail. I DO NOT LIKE THE LEFT (FOLDERS) COLUMN! I need another email
client. This "Live" stuff tries to make me use functions I do not want. I
do not want to use instant messaging, for example, and I have my own ways of
organizing pictures. So I'll probably uninstall all of the "live" stuff.

"t-4-2" <dhu...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:%23j%23GjqcS...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[t-4-2]

Sorry to hear that you dislike WLM.
For your information : When you were installing WLM, your were OFFERED
several programs, i.e. Live Messenger, Writer, etc. You did not have to take
any of them. You could have declined all of them except the mail client,
WLM.
I don't know what you don't like about the Folder Pane. To me, it's better
than Windows Mail because Windows Mail dump all e-mails to one In-box even
though you may have different accounts. I have 3 different accounts, and
e-mails coming from different accounts will be downloaded to their
respective accounts.
I definitely don't know what do you mean by " my own ways of organizing
pictures ". Both WLM and WM do not organize pictures. It's up to you.
Windows Mail ( WM ) has Windows Photo Gallery. Windows Live Mail ( WLM ) has
Windows Live Photo Gallery. Slight different names, same animal.
Anyway, good luck searching for another e-mail client. I can't make
recommendation because I don't know any.

t-4-2

"Paul H" <NoSpampho...@att.net> wrote in message

news:eguxbli...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

[Gary VanderMolen]

You can make Windows Live Mail as web-unaware as you want.
There certainly is no need to use instant messaging with it, or the
"photo email" option.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"Paul H" <NoSpampho...@att.net> wrote in message news:eguxbli...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

[t-4-2]

If you could tolerate the Folders Pane, you can uninstall the rest of the
programs that you do not want.
Start button > Control Panel > Programs and Features. Scroll to and select
Windows Live Essentials, right click > Uninstall. Follow the prompts, select
the programs you want to get rid of.

t-4-2

"t-4-2" <dhu...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message

news:OiOYd7iS...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Steve Cochran]

I don't like WLM either. I'm not sure what I'm going do except make sure I
don't update all my machines to Win7.

steve

"Paul H" <NoSpampho...@att.net> wrote in message

news:Oq0drWcS...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Paul H]

Hi Tea-for-two,
I have 16 accounts that get checked every 5 minutes. I have my own 2
ATT.NET, Gmail, a few for www.verifycharges.com, a few for www.PCHplano.com,
and a few for some other projects I'm working on. I've turned others on and
off over that past few years as I've played with projects. So my left panel
is a mess in "Live". I like most of my mail in "Inbox", with a few directed
to specific other sub-folders. I like to have my sub-folders beneath my
Inbox. Some I keep expanded and most I keep collapsed, unless I'm looking
for something in one of them - they are mostly just for storage of
historical mail. I think I mentioned that I keep all of my email - this is
my entire filing system - all 37,000 mails, I think! I should probably move
it all to a data base, and simplify me email life. But, how to get there
from here?
I think I'll uninstall the entire "Live" collection and find an email client
that I can live with, because I DO want to go to W7! Maybe I'll use
Thunderbird, and initially just convert my main folders, then convert the
others, and maybe weed out or consolidate them as I need them. Since I have
5 computers networked here in the house, and I only want to convert 2 to W7,
I have plenty of places to keep the old stuff until I need it.
I'm 70 and earn some $ writing COBOL (yup, that old stuff) (that I should be
doing right now) so between PC's, TV (I'm addicted, and use Tivo
extensively - who has time for commercials, except for football), reading
(fiction only - no self improvement) and grandkids (eight of them), I hardly
have time to sleep, and I've never been more content than right now.
But Microsoft is messing with me by not continuing the Outlook Express way
of doing things!
Thanks for letting me vent! And tolerate the typos I'll see immediately
after clicking "Send"!
Paul

"t-4-2" <dhu...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message

news:OiOYd7iS...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Doug]

I, too, dislike WLM which I am using installed for mail and newsgroups only.
However I would put up with it were it not for the fact that it
intermittently freezes my PC so that Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't work leaving me
with no option than to reach for the reset button. I am hoping that when I
clean install Win 7 later this month WLM will work impeccably. Googling for
["Windows Live Mail" crash] produces 262,000 hits which suggests it is
seriously unreliable.
Doug

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[t-4-2]

Since you do have a history with computer programming, and that you said you
like Windows Mail, I'd suggest that you start a new thread. SUBJECT : How to
make Win7 accepting Windows Mail.
There is a way to ....." tweak it, playing with the registry ". The person
who knows may respond if he thinks you are " well versed " enough to tangle
with registry.
P.S. You could " move " your 37,000 mails to Storage Folders section. This
way, if something happens to your account(s), you won't lose everything.
OR, here is a link given by one of the MVPs. A program to back up Windows
Live Mail, or Windows Mail. The cosy is reasonable, and you have a 20 days
free trial period. :
http://www.staticbackup.com/windows-live-mail-backup/
t-4-2

"Paul H" <NoSpampho...@att.net> wrote in message

news:e4R7flm...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

[t-4-2]

I have never been able to understand COBOL, but then I was taking lessons
once a week in Community College.
My favourite was Basic Language. I still have the book written by David A.
Lien, " Learning Basic For Tandy Computers ".

t-4-2

"Paul H" <NoSpampho...@att.net> wrote in message

news:e4R7flm...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

[Paul H]

I'm intimidated by the registry, but will follow instructions from someone I
can trust. I use StorageCraft's ShadowProtect every week to back up my
entire computer - Windows and all - in about 2 hours or less - to a 1
terabyte USB drive. I may buy OEX (www.oehelp.com/OEX/Default.aspx) to keep
two computer's email synchronized. I have a laptop still running XP Pro and
OE6, so maybe this one would be appropriate.

"t-4-2" <dhu...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message

news:eWW9v8mS...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

[Tae Song]

"Paul H" <NoSpampho...@att.net> wrote in message

news:eguxbli...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

You can hide the Folder Pane. Just move the mouse over the divider until
you get a double arrow and hold down the left mouse button and slide it left
and it will only show some icons.

[Tae Song]

"Doug" <do...@FAKEpleasereplytogroup.com> wrote in message
news:OPNQapm...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

I use Windows Live Mail all the time and I don't have any problems with it.

I use it for email and reading news groups.

You can disable Windows Live Messenger automatically coming up by going to
Tools -> Options -> General tab and unchecking "Automatically log on to
Windows Live Messenger."

[Sam Hobbs]

The registry can be intimidating, mainly because Microsoft uses confusing
terminology about it that is misleading. It is easy to understand of course,
but Microsoft does not make it easy.

I do understand that sometimes after spending many hours trying to learn
many other things, our minds just don't want to do it.

"Paul H" <NoSpampho...@att.net> wrote in message

news:uUlq8VnS...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

[Gary VanderMolen]

Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
after I quit using it for newsgroups. I was getting hangs when
switching frequently between the mail and newsgroup functions.
I still use Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues
to work well under Windows 7.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"Doug" <do...@FAKEpleasereplytogroup.com> wrote in message news:OPNQapm...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

[Gary VanderMolen]

BASIC is not optimized for scientific or financial applications.
In college I used Fortran for my engineering classes.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"t-4-2" <dhu...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message news:uNXFdFnS...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[t-4-2]

I know that. I finished College in 1967, no computer classes back then.
I took computer programming lessons in Community College in early 80s out of
curiosity. I was one of those idiots who bought a Commodore and didn't know
what to do with it. Basic language was the logical choice for a novice.

t-4-2

"Gary VanderMolen" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
news:u3NbVRrS...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[beauparc]

Steve Cochran;1157598 Wrote:
> I don't like WLM either. I'm not sure what I'm going do except make sure
> I
> don't update all my machines to Win7.
>
> steve
>

> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:Oq0drWcSKHA.4048@newsgroup> > >

> > > Thanks, Steve. I tried the W7 beta and liked it. And I like the
> > Outlook
> > > Express / Windows Mail layout. So what to use in W7? Thunderbird
> > looks
> > > good, except there's no way to convert to it without hours of
> > error-prone
> > > drudgery. I find it hard to believe that I'm the only person with
> > this
> > > issue. Is there another credible alternative, with a conversion path?
> > >

> > > "Steve Cochran" <scochran@newsgroup> wrote in message
> > > news:eybNieaSKHA.1232@newsgroup> > > > >

> > > >> OEX actually works in Windows 7, but the Winmail application has
> > > been
> > > >> rendered unusable per se. There are some hacks out there, but they
> > > are
> > > >> somewhat lacking their success.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'd suggest keeping the old computer and using it rather than
> > > jumping
> > > >> into Win7 and losing basic OS functionality.
> > > >>
> > > >> steve
> > > >>

> > > >> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam@newsgroup> wrote in message
> > > >> news:4914A9B5-5AC2-4949-B79C-C2FA7DAF4B6D@newsgroup
> > > >>
> > > >>> > > >
> > > > >

I'm in the same boat as regards WM. I've tried my hardest to like WLM
but no, it's a total pain.

Thunderbird works fine and, providing you download the ImportExport
addon from the Mozilla website, it will import all your emails from WM
without any trouble.

I'm still going to stay with WM for as long as I can find hacks for
running it on W7.

--
beauparc

[CWLee]

"Gary VanderMolen" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote:

"Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only

after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use

Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues to
work well under Windows 7."

That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not
automatically delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It
that correct? If so that sounds like good news to me, since
I could try WLM and if I don't like it I could then easily
revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or suggested
sources of info about how a novice might manage this
simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?

Many thanks.

[t-4-2]

Pardon me for butting in.....
CWLee,
There is nothing to " manage ".
WLM and WM will co-exist. You do have to assign one as the Default program,
and each time you open the non-default one, you'll be asked if you want to
change it to default. Just click NO.
Yes, if you do not like WLM, just switch default back to WM, and leave WLM
alone.
You could un-install WLM if you did not like it, although I wouldn't do
that, personally.
If you do decide to download/install WLM, pay attention to the prompts.
There are " related " programs offered, i.e. Windows Live Messenger, Write
etc., you can decide which to accept and which to decline. You don't have to
take any of those.

t-4-2

"CWLee" <cdub...@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message

news:#mMKAasS...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[CWLee]

"t-4-2" <dhu...@cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Pardon me for butting in.....

As far as I'm concerned, no apology needed. I welcome
wisdom, insight, and winning lottery numbers regardless of
the source!

> WLM and WM will co-exist. You do have to assign one as the

> Default program, ...

That all sounds very good to me!

Thanks.

[Paul H]

Me too, beaupark! So there is a conversion tool that will convert all of my
folders? I thought I'd have to import one folder at a time.
Thanks,
Paul

>
> I'm in the same boat as regards WM. I've tried my hardest to like WLM
> but no, it's a total pain.
>
> Thunderbird works fine and, providing you download the ImportExport
> addon from the Mozilla website, it will import all your emails from WM
> without any trouble.
>
> I'm still going to stay with WM for as long as I can find hacks for
> running it on W7.
>
> --
> beauparc

"beauparc" <gu...@unknown-email.com> wrote in message
news:bfa7a909af645ad9...@nntp-gateway.com...

[Gary VanderMolen]

Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
I've been running both programs simultaneously since
February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7.
You don't need to do anything special. If you want all
incoming emails to go to both programs, configure WM to
leave a copy on the server (which is the default setting in WLM).

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"CWLee" <cdub...@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message news:%23mMKAas...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[beauparc]

Gary VanderMolen;1158234 Wrote:
> Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7.
> You don't need to do anything special. If you want all
> incoming emails to go to both programs, configure WM to
> leave a copy on the server (which is the default setting in WLM).
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>
>

> "CWLee" <cdubyalee@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:%23mMKAasSKHA.4028@newsgroup> > >

> > >
> > > "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote:
> > >
> > > "Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
> > > after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use
> > > Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues to
> > > work well under Windows 7."
> > >
> > > That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not
> > > automatically delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It
> > > that correct? If so that sounds like good news to me, since
> > > I could try WLM and if I don't like it I could then easily
> > > revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or suggested
> > > sources of info about how a novice might manage this
> > > simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?
> > >
> > > Many thanks.
> > > > >

Paul H. If you visit the Mozilla Thunderbird page there will be a link
to the addon called ImportExport. Download it to your desktop, or
wherever, run Thunderbird and select Tools - Addons. Get it to install
it. Then just import your saved emails.

Trust me, it's easier than it sounds.

Like Gary Vandermolen, I'm running both quite happily. If one falls
over, use the other :D

--
beauparc

[lemur]

Has anyone used Thunderbird with Win 7?

--
lemur

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their *REP* icon. Thanks! (the middle scale icon in the upper right
corner)::

[Gary VanderMolen]

I've heard from several people who do so successfully.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"lemur" <gu...@unknown-email.com> wrote in message news:297b0d3d5916f832...@nntp-gateway.com...

[aussieann]

Have been following this thread with interest .... from what you say ... does that mean that when a new computer is purchased with
Windows 7 as the system and therefor no email client, that WinMail will be available to use on that system alongside Windows Live
Mail ???

Ann

"Gary VanderMolen" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message news:uLVYPjvS...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[t-4-2]

Yes. If you know how to " hack " it.

t-4-2

"aussieann" <a...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:uAyCrs4S...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Gary VanderMolen]

There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail in
Win7. It requires you to copy the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail
from a working Vista computer to the Win7 computer. There are
limitations to that hack. For one thing, it doesn't allow WM to be
set as the default mail client. That means, for example, when you
click on a mail link on a web page, WM can't handle it.

I only use the newsgroups function of WM in Win7, because
newsgroups seldom need any 'default' protocol actions from the OS.

I suspect that future Windows Updates may make WM even less
compatible. You might as well see the handwriting on the wall and
upgrade to Windows Live Mail now.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"aussieann" <a...@somewhere.com> wrote in message news:uAyCrs4S...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[aussieann]

Many thanks for your reply ... I was aware of that hack but was hoping that it wouldn't be necessary, and I sincerely hope that
future upgrades do 'not' make WM even less compatible :- ((( ...... WLM in it's present state is not HTML scripted stationery user
friendly and to upgrade solely to that program is not an option for the thousands of people in the stationery world ... to be able
to use it in conjunction with WM .... using WLM as the default but able to send the HTML scripted stationery by WinMail is the only
option we can see at the moment ... other than having 2 computers of course ... lol

Ann

"Gary VanderMolen" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message news:%23Y%23MGg5S...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[aussieann]

Thanks t-4-2 .... I am aware of that hack ... guess I was kinda hoping MS had listened to the many pleas from the stationery makers
and decided to make WM available as well as WLM .... naive but one can but hope ... lmao

Ann

"t-4-2" <dhu...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message news:uqWzxu4...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

[Gary VanderMolen]

You're very welcome, Ann.
I'm not into stationery or editing HTML source code, and I guess
MS feels not enough of its users are, otherwise they'd make it
more of a priority.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"aussieann" <a...@somewhere.com> wrote in message news:%23JIoXc6...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[CWLee]

Gary, I'm confused by your statements. On October 11,
above, you said:

"Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
I've been running both programs simultaneously since
February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7. You

don't need to do anything special. ... ".

Then today, October 12, you say:

"There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail
in

Win7. ... There are limitations to that hack. For one

thing, it doesn't allow WM to be set as the default mail
client."

To make things murkier for me, t-4-2 wrote, on October 11:

"WLM and WM will co-exist. You do have to assign one as the

Default program, and each time you open the non-default one,
you'll be asked if you want to change it to default. Just
click NO."

Further clarification appreciated, not just from Gary and
t-4-2, but from anyone with experience using both MW and
MLM.

Thanks.

[t-4-2]

When Gary mentioned WM could not be default, it applied in Win7.
When I said " switching " default between WM and WLM, I was talking about
Vista, NOT Win7.

t-4-2

"CWLee" <cdub...@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message

news:#DEmk08S...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Steve Cochran]

Fortran was abandoned by MS for the PC, so I used compiled BASIC for many of
my scientific programs back in the 80's and 90's. It was the most viable
option for the PC. Then MS abandoned that for Windows and its subsequent
languages, of which Fortran is not included.

steve

"Gary VanderMolen" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

news:u3NbVRrS...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Steve Cochran]

I'm still working on things in the background trying to come up with
alternatives for the stationery users as well as others. There are
alternatives, such as using XP in an virtual environment on the Win7
machines ("XP Mode" or just XP depending upon the hardware capabilities of
the machine), as well as other options, such as not updating to Win7. There
is also the potential to get Winmail working on a Win7 machine without
copying any files over from other OSs, but that is a bit more challenging.
<g>

steve

"aussieann" <a...@somewhere.com> wrote in message

news:%23JIoXc6...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[Steve Cochran]

Well, watch this space, as the hacks aren't done. <VBEG>

steve

"beauparc" <gu...@unknown-email.com> wrote in message
news:bfa7a909af645ad9...@nntp-gateway.com...

[Steve Cochran]

Given the extent of your system you might consider something more advanced
such as Outlook.

steve

"Paul H" <NoSpampho...@att.net> wrote in message

>>>>> Thanks, Steve. I tried the W7 beta and liked it. And I like the
>>>>> Outlook Express / Windows Mail layout. So what to use in W7?
>>>>> Thunderbird looks good, except there's no way to convert to it without
>>>>> hours of error-prone drudgery. I find it hard to believe that I'm the
>>>>> only person with this issue. Is there another credible alternative,
>>>>> with a conversion path?
>>>>>

>>>>> "Steve Cochran" <scoc...@oehelp.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eybNieaS...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> OEX actually works in Windows 7, but the Winmail application has been
>>>>>> rendered unusable per se. There are some hacks out there, but they
>>>>>> are somewhat lacking their success.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd suggest keeping the old computer and using it rather than jumping
>>>>>> into Win7 and losing basic OS functionality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> steve
>>>>>>

[aussieann]

The option I like the best is not updating to Win7 ... lol .... but in time that will not be an option as more people need to
purchase new 'puters, so I guess we need to look at all other options to try and ensure the future of this extremely popular hobby
.... many thanks for the info re that and also Winmail Steve .. more avenues to explore and save info on :-))

Ann

"Steve Cochran" <scoc...@oehelp.com> wrote in message news:ujgolJ$SKHA...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

[aussieann]

Unfortunately people tend to be very apathetic until all of a sudden they find they can no longer continue the hobby they have been
doing for many years, and was supported by MS way back when it started to evolve so I understand .... I guess progress always
overlooks some section of the community and only time will tell if the hobby survives

Ann

"Gary VanderMolen" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message news:eDf8257S...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

[Gary VanderMolen]

I'm not sure where you are seeing a conflict in my statements.

Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail can be used simultaneously,
and in Vista they are both fully functional.

Windows Mail will only run in Windows 7 after employing the hack I
previously mentioned.
Windows Mail newsgroups mode under Windows 7 is fully functional,
and I am using it in that fashion right now.
Windows Mail email mode under Windows 7 is functional as far as
the basics are concerned, but I don't recommend it for the average
user because they will get frustrated when their MailTo links don't work.
Furthermore, future Windows 7 updates may further degrade WM's
limited compatibility with that OS, since Microsoft has no intention
of supporting WM functionality under Windows 7.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"CWLee" <cdub...@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message news:%23DEmk08...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[CWLee]

"Gary VanderMolen" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote:

"Windows Mail email mode under Windows 7 is functional as
far as
the basics are concerned, but I don't recommend it for the
average
user because they will get frustrated when their MailTo
links don't work."

By "MailTo" links do you mean addresses/contacts cannot be
inserted in outgoing mail (either new mail, or replies to
others)?

What other parts of Windows Mail do not work under Windows
7?

Thanks.

[Gary VanderMolen]

MailTo links are typically found on a web page.
One example is Craigslist listings. When clicking on such a
link to contact the person who placed the ad, the browser sends
the request to the OS, which then opens the default email program,
starts a new email message and it fills in the 'To' address and often
the Subject line also.

A related function that won't work in Windows Mail on Win7 is the
Mail button in any other program, including Internet Explorer.
Likewise, when using Windows Live Photo Gallery, the Email button
on its toolbar won't call up Windows Mail.

A savvy person who is determined to use WM on Win7 can use the
appropriate manual workarounds, but the average user will become
frustrated.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"CWLee" <cdub...@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message news:OIq7BmDT...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[Sam Hobbs]

Which is unfortunate; that is, that languages such as Fortran, COBOL and
Pascal got less support in the DOS and Windows (PC) environments. Even C/C++
got less support than it could have. Microsoft is as successful as it is due
to DOS and Basic ... oh let's see, wasn't it Basic that came first for the
PC? The Basic that Microsoft provided for the PC was proprietary and they
have favored it because it is proprietary; Basic was never favored by
computer language specialists. Pascal was explicitly designed to be a
superior replacement for Basic, designed to be a real language. Basic was
originally designed for only educational purposes.

So yes, Basic was often the only choice, even for those of us that wanted
something better, and it is unfortunate that Basic was the only choice when
it was.

"Steve Cochran" <scoc...@oehelp.com> wrote in message

news:uD4rkG$SKHA...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Sam Hobbs]

As Gray has explained, he is using the term in a general sense. There is
also a "mailto URL scheme" (sometimes called a mailto protocol) that is an
internet standard; see:

http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2368.txt

The mailto protocol is useful since it allows things such as a message's
subject and even a small body for a message. There are many things that the
mailto protocol does not do; it is intended only for simple messages. Two
things it won't do within the mailto link is create messages with medium to
large size bodies and or (for security reasons) allow specification of the
sender. The mailto protocol of course does not provide a mechanism to
specify what program to use to send a message so of course Windows must use
the default email program.

"CWLee" <cdub...@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message

news:OIq7BmDT...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[slk759]

Basic was used in colleges - that was my first exposure to it, but even that
was run on the school's mainframes. In the workforce in the mid-80's (a
large commercial bank), we first introduced PC technology to the mainframe
COBOL developers, starting with IBM-XT's, then IBM-AT's (running "plain" DOS
on dual floppy drives). The Microsoft / Windows proprietary was simply
called "MS-DOS". However, we were IBM junkies and went the PS/2 route
running OS/2 1.0 the minute they came out. We quickly found products being
developed that emulated mainframe COBOL and JCL, that ran on the PC and cut
mainframe CPU costs for application development. Oh, the days . . . . . .

"Sam Hobbs" <Gaterem...@SamHobbs.org> wrote in message
news:ukCU$wDTKH...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

[Sam Hobbs]

And even before that, I was one of a few chosen to evaluate a RISC processor
370 emulator that ran in an AT box that ran VM.

It is a shame that OS/2 was not more successful, but that is getting further
off-topic. Many of the young people probably think that things such as HTML
and email was invented by the internet and multitasking operating systems
started with NT but we know the truth.

I think this thread got off-topic on the subject of the registry. I think
people might get frustrated with off-topic discussion. Relative to the
registry, though, we know there has been many changes with computers and a
lot to learn over the years. Software companies such as Microsoft and
computer specialists such as us must proceed forward but we often would
prefer to continue using the technology that has been successful in the
past.

"slk759" <slk...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:uaERK4ET...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Steve Cochran]

That's because you haven't replaced the correct registry values that were
removed during the upgrade. One registry file that has been posted is not
nearly adequate to replace what was removed during the upgrade. Unless
those values are reset, then Windows doesn't work in terms of the mailto and
other protocols that are affected.

steve

"Gary VanderMolen" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

news:e0znKwDT...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[Steve Cochran]

Well, I've been around with computers since the mid-70's and have gone from
Fortran, to BASIC, back to Fortran, back to BASIC and then a little C and
then more BASIC. Keep in mind that it at least 3 or 4 flavors of BASIC, so
they really can't be equated.

GWBASIC was not included also.

steve

"Sam Hobbs" <Gaterem...@SamHobbs.org> wrote in message
news:ukCU$wDTKH...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

[Gary VanderMolen]

Until someone posts a complete registry file that resets
all the necessary Windows Mail values, I can't recommend
use of WM under Windows 7 for the average user.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"Steve Cochran" <scoc...@oehelp.com> wrote in message news:09DF2489-8C2F-44D6...@microsoft.com...

[t-4-2]

Gary,
Brink, aka Shawn, has one at Sevenforums.com
Would you mind check it out ?
Or, that is one the same ?
t-4-2

"Gary VanderMolen" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

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[Paul H]

I hope we get an answer before a week from tomorrow! Even though I don't
like it, it would be the easiest option for me.
Thanks,
Paul

"t-4-2" <dhu...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message

news:ecrzNCPT...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[Gary VanderMolen]

Which particular link at SevenForums?
I tried both of the .reg files mentioned here:
http://www.sevenforums.com/software/2300-cant-make-windows-mail-default-5.html
with the following results:
a) Windows Mail is not added to "Set your default programs".
b) Windows Mail is added to "Set program access and computer defaults"
but it doesn't update the necessary registry keys to make MailTo work.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"t-4-2" <dhu...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message news:ecrzNCPT...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[t-4-2]

'Windows Mail - Windows 7 Forums'
(http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/5481-windows-mail.html)

t-4-2

"Gary VanderMolen" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

news:#lCtNjPT...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

[Gary VanderMolen]

CORRECTION:
I have again downloaded the "Windows Mail2.zip" file, extracted the
"Windows Mail2.reg" file, and ran it, and this time it did the trick!
Windows Mail can now be configured as the default mail program
under Windows 7.
What I don't know is whether the original "Windows Mail.zip" file
is still required also. I had used it some time ago with less than
stellar results. However, the author indicates that the second file
is "in addition to" the first file. If that is true, I don't know why he
doesn't just combine the two files into one.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"Gary VanderMolen" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message news:%23lCtNjP...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

[Gary VanderMolen]

That's just the basic copy/install procedure, which doesn't include any
of the .reg files necessary to make WM the default mail program.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"t-4-2" <dhu...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message news:%23e9pcoP...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[t-4-2]

Thank you.
So, now with this basic copy/install method and the Windows Mail2.reg file,
we can have Win 7 with WM running as default e-mail program. Correct ?
Sounds simple without " hacking ".
t-4-2

"Gary VanderMolen" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

news:ersA2tPT...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Gary VanderMolen]

I would like someone to try it with just the "Windows Mail2.reg" file.
I have a hunch that the original "Windows Mail.reg" file is also
required.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"t-4-2" <dhu...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message news:OcIbdzP...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

[Steve Cochran]

I'm working on it, but it involves much more than the superficial files that
have been posted.

Also, are you now advocating (since you are using it) mixing OS files
between the two systems, since that is the only way you and others have
gotten a functional version?

steve

"Gary VanderMolen" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

news:Ov7q$4OTKH...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

[Steve Cochran]

As I indicated, there is a lot more involved than just what's in those
files. Even if you got WinMail default, you still have functionality loss.

steve

"Gary VanderMolen" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

news:%23su76rP...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[Sam Hobbs]

Until recently, none of the implementations of BASIC had the advantages of
Fortran, COBOL or Pascal. The original design criteria for BASIC was that it
could be used with minimal resources. Pascal was designed to show that a
well-designed language could be used with equivalent minimal resources.

I have not spent time learning the latest version of VB, but it seems to
finally support object-oriented programming.

I joined the Army in the early 70's and began programming in COBOL then.

"Steve Cochran" <scoc...@oehelp.com> wrote in message

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[Gary VanderMolen]

In general, I would not advocate mixing OS files.
However, no one has figured out a different way to make
Windows Mail work under Windows 7, and it doesn't seem
to cause any harm.
I still don't advocate it for the average user.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"Steve Cochran" <scoc...@oehelp.com> wrote in message news:edj%23zBQTK...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

[Steve Cochran]

What I was trying to show was this:

http://www.oehelp.com/capture2.jpg

<G>

steve

"aussieann" <a...@somewhere.com> wrote in message

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[aussieann]

Many thanks Steve <g> .... I can see how the virtual environment works now and does not appear too complicated, but when I look at
the homepage at what is involved in setting it all up I can't in all honesty see many able to get the ISO's etc and being able to
set it up .... though I suppose if getting a new computer that could be done by a tech guy .... anyhow like a squirrel am saving all
and everything and hoping that something else will come up in the near future .. smile
Ann

"Steve Cochran" <scoc...@oehelp.com> wrote in message news:402554E2-9094-432F...@microsoft.com...

[Paul H]

Huh? What does the link you provided demonstrate? Strange "+" and "-" on
the display, and what they cause. OEX is in the background. I am extremely
confused. If this is not using Windows Mail under W7, I'm out of luck,
because I can't get my mail back out of Windows mail (#&^@* Microsoft!) and
back to Outlook Express.
Steve, I appreciate your help, and wish I understood it. Paul

"Steve Cochran" <scoc...@oehelp.com> wrote in message

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[aussieann]

Have been looking at windows 7 inf etc and see that depending on the version of windows 7 installed it comes with windows virtual
and XP mode .. it's referring to installing older programs but I assume it would be the same as in your screenshot and we would be
able to access OE from it too .. smile
Ann

"aussieann" <a...@somewhere.com> wrote in message news:eFVFFHuT...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Steve Cochran]

I'll be providing directions on my website soon. I'm working out the
details.

steve

"aussieann" <a...@somewhere.com> wrote in message

news:OpIKG6uT...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Steve Cochran]

The image shows a screen shot of a Windows 7 Desktop. On the Desktop are
Control Panel, IE and Microsoft Virtual PC Windows. Within the VPC window
is an instance of Windows XP and on that Desktop is an OE Window open to
this NG and a message composition window. I don't see any + or - on the
display, so I don't know what you are referring to.

If you want you mail back to OE, just create a new folder in OE, open that
folder to show its empty message list, and then drag the eml files from
WinMail overtop the OE folder message list and drop them. They will then be
incorporated into the OE folder.

steve

"Paul H" <NoSpampho...@att.net> wrote in message

news:Ot2rYUuT...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Steve Cochran]

One can also do this now in Vista. The major pre-requisite is a valid copy
of XP.

http://www.oehelp.com/captureV.jpg

steve

"Steve Cochran" <scoc...@oehelp.com> wrote in message

news:OZLXB6yT...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

[aussieann]

Thanks Steve <s>
Ann

"Steve Cochran" <scoc...@oehelp.com> wrote in message news:%23nctJ3y...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Paul H]

Steve, that would be terrific - especially if I could drag a folder that had
sub-folders in it, and have it retain the structure. And if I could then
run OE on my W7 machine.

But how can I run Outlook Express on that same machine that has Windows
Mail, to accomplish the dragging? How would I install OE on my Vista
machine? Or Windows Mail on my XP Pro machine?

Actually, If I can make Windows Mail run with W7 without the problems some
folks have mentioned, I'd be content, and avoid any conversion problems.

Thursday is gonna be exciting!

Thanks,
Paul

"Steve Cochran" <scoc...@oehelp.com> wrote in message

news:OZLXB6yT...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

[Gary VanderMolen]

Be patient. Steve will post the details when he's ready.
Basically it will involve installing a spare copy of Windows XP
in the Microsoft Virtual PC program which you first install in
Windows 7. Then you can install OE.
I think the big hangup is that you must have a spare non-OEM
copy of Windows XP.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"Paul H" <NoSpampho...@att.net> wrote in message news:O6MWCP5T...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Steve Cochran]

You have to install Virtual PC and then a running copy of XP in that window.
Then you have what is similar to picture in a picture with a TV. You would
have a running copy of XP in a separate window like any other Windows window
and you can run OE from that instance of XP in Win7 (or in Vista). To move
the files back and forth you can drag eml files or use the File | Import
techniques.

steve

"Paul H" <NoSpampho...@att.net> wrote in message

news:O6MWCP5T...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Steve Cochran]

The trick is having a valid product key. The XP install is not that big a
deal.

steve

"Gary VanderMolen" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

news:ejElwl5...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

[Paul H]

Gary, I hope you're still watching this thread. I installed a large (320 gb
vs. the insufficient 80 gb) hard drive, so I'll do the Vista Home Premium to
W7 Home Premium in place upgrade, maybe tomorrow, and I'll keep all of my
installed applications. Including Windows Mail. So I hope I can find the
hacks that have been mentioned here. Thanks, Paul

[Gary VanderMolen]

This procedure worked for me:
1. Rename the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\ directory in Win7 to something else.
2. Copy that same-named directory (including its files) from a working Vista
computer and paste it to the Win7 computer.
3. Create a new shortcut from the WinMail.exe file.

Then after Windows Mail is installed on Windows 7, apply the two
registry fixes mentioned here:
http://www.sevenforums.com/software/2300-cant-make-windows-mail-default-5.html

By the way, I always read all the threads here.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"Paul H" <NoSpampho...@att.net> wrote in message news:OIWPZgtU...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[Paul H]

Thank you Gary - that should work for me - I do have my up-to-date Windows
Mail on another Vista Home Premium, that I won't upgrade until the 1st one
works flawlessly. Right now I'm stuck - W7 home premium says
"The following issues are preventing Windows from upgrading. Cancel the
upgrade, complete each task, and then restart the upgrade to continue. -
There is not enough free space to store temporary Windows installation
files. Try using Disk Cleanup, uninstall old programs, or move files to an
external location such as a CD, DVD, or external hard drive. "
but I just changed to a huge hard drive and re-installed C: and D: and it
works perfectly for a day or two. I posted a new query in vista.general
newsgroup. Right now I'm waiting for any help. How do I ask Microsoft? No
W#7 newsgroup yet. Just forums.

"Gary VanderMolen" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

news:uNebAH0U...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Gary VanderMolen]

Microsoft will probably not create a Windows 7 newsgroup,
since they are deemphasizing NNTP support. A web-based
help site is here:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/help

and some forums here:

http://windows7forums.com/
http://www.sevenforums.com/

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"Paul H" <NoSpampho...@att.net> wrote in message news:uCft0t2U...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Paul H]

Gary, I used the link you gave to me. Microsoft has escalated my problem
twice, and the current guy has spent hours taking over my screen and trying
things. I hope he will give up soon and escalate my problem to someone in
Seattle. Is there a way I can make that happen?

"Gary VanderMolen" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

news:OQorl15U...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[Gary VanderMolen]

Not sure which one of the three links you mean.

I don't know of any way to get escalated support from Microsoft.

Be sure to post your issue to the two forums I gave you. Some user
may have resolved that issue already.
Also, here is a third help forum:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windows7

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"Paul H" <NoSpampho...@att.net> wrote in message news:egiU%23nMVK...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

[Paul H]

Gary,

I am waiting until I have a fix (hack?) so my Vista's Windows Mail will work
properly when I upgrade (not new install) to W7. I purchased an Acer
slightly before W7's availability, that included an upgrade to W7 when it
becomes available. I got my upgrade CD - Vista Home Premium 32 bit to W7
Home premium 32 bit - yesterday.

Since the upgrade will preserve my programs, including Windows Mail, the
hack should let me continue to use Windows Mail with all my contracts,
messages in various folders, etc.

Can you point me to the hack?

Thanks,

Paul

"Gary VanderMolen" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

news:eCy72yCT...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
I'm not sure where you are seeing a conflict in my statements.

Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail can be used simultaneously,
and in Vista they are both fully functional.

Windows Mail will only run in Windows 7 after employing the hack I
previously mentioned.
Windows Mail newsgroups mode under Windows 7 is fully functional,
and I am using it in that fashion right now.

Windows Mail email mode under Windows 7 is functional as far as
the basics are concerned, but I don't recommend it for the average
user because they will get frustrated when their MailTo links don't work.

Furthermore, future Windows 7 updates may further degrade WM's
limited compatibility with that OS, since Microsoft has no intention
of supporting WM functionality under Windows 7.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"CWLee" <cdub...@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message

news:%23DEmk08...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> Gary, I'm confused by your statements. On October 11,

> above, you said:
>
> "Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7. You

> don't need to do anything special. ... ".
>
> Then today, October 12, you say:

>
> "There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail
> in

> Win7. ... There are limitations to that hack. For one

> thing, it doesn't allow WM to be set as the default mail
> client."
>

> To make things murkier for me, t-4-2 wrote, on October 11:
>
> "WLM and WM will co-exist. You do have to assign one as the
> Default program, and each time you open the non-default one,
> you'll be asked if you want to change it to default. Just
> click NO."
>
> Further clarification appreciated, not just from Gary and
> t-4-2, but from anyone with experience using both MW and
> MLM.
>
> Thanks.
>

[Gary VanderMolen]

This procedure worked for me:
1. Rename the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\ directory in Win7 to something else.
2. Copy that same-named directory (including its files) from a working Vista
computer and paste it to the Win7 computer.
3. Create a new shortcut from the WinMail.exe file.

Then after Windows Mail is installed on Windows 7, apply the two
registry fixes mentioned here:

http://www.sevenforums.com/software/2300-cant-make-windows-mail-default-6.html#post309014

Those registry fixes are only needed if you want Windows Mail to handle
all the default mail protocols. The fixes aren't needed to get basic mail
functionality.

Be aware that future Windows Updates may render WM inoperable in
Windows 7, as will running SFC.exe. For that reason I recommend also
installing Windows Live Mail, so you will have an immediate fallback
if WM fails.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"Paul H" <NoSpampho...@att.net> wrote in message news:OagiCOjX...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Paul H]

Thanks, Gary. I won't need to move Windows Mail to W7. It will be there,
like all of my other applications, since I'm doing an in-place upgrade, not
a total install.

You pointed me to that W7 forum before, but I don't see how to download the
two registry fixes. I'm apparently not understanding something very basic,
but it's Greek to me.

If WM eventually stops working, I'll move to T-bird or something else - not
WLM - that won't work for me.

Best regards,
Paul

"Gary VanderMolen" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

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[Gary VanderMolen]

Your assumption is not correct.
The in-place upgrade of Vista to Windows 7 will not bring along
Vista's Windows Mail. Microsoft has deliberately disabled
Windows Mail in Windows 7. Only the procedure I gave you will
resurrect it.

The file names in the forum are clickable links. Clicking on those
should start the download process.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"Paul H" <NoSpampho...@att.net> wrote in message news:O9pvdslX...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

[poppabear]

I would&nbsp;be very grateful if anyone can&nbsp;provide me with&nbsp;a free download link for Windows-Mail2.reg?&nbsp; I am a&nbsp;nonprofessional computer user and apart from personal&nbsp;use&nbsp;enjoy playing with them as a hobby.&nbsp; I hope this&nbsp;reply is in the right forum? I have been able to obtain Windows-Mail.reg Zip as a free download but can only find Windows-Mail2.reg at Rapid Share as a paid download.I recently imported Win Mail from Vista to Win7 Ultimate.&nbsp; The program ran OK but emails saved to desktop as .eml files&nbsp;would not open.These are the steps I took to enable .eml files to be opened on the desktop:1.&nbsp; Run Windows-Mail.reg&nbsp;as .exe file&nbsp;to edit the registry.2.&nbsp; Go to:&nbsp; Start==&gt;&nbsp; All Programs&nbsp; ==&gt;&nbsp; Run&nbsp; ==&gt;&nbsp; Type: regedit ==&gt; OK2.&nbsp;&nbsp;Select:&nbsp; Regedit\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\eml_auto_file\shell\open\command3.&nbsp; In right panel, double click:&nbsp; Default&nbsp;&nbsp;==&gt;&nbsp;Change Value Data exactly as shown next in Modified key.4.&nbsp; Modified key: &nbsp;"C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\winmail.exe" /eml:%1While everything works OK without&nbsp;Window-Mail2.reg, for completeness I would like to run it as well.This is a link to a post on another forum detailing the necessary steps to:Import Windows Mail files from Vista, and paste them into Windows Mail program in Win7, replacing the original files.&nbsp; This cannot be done by simply copying and pasting.Open and work with .eml email files on the desktop or in storage folders of Win7 using the steps outlined above&nbsp;in the first part of this reply.Hope this may help others.&nbsp; Thanks in anticipation.

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[Gary VanderMolen]

After Windows Mail is working on Windows 7, apply the two

registry fixes mentioned here:
http://www.sevenforums.com/software/2300-cant-make-windows-mail-default-6.html#post309014

Note:
There is a clickable link for WinMail2.zip (which contains WinMail2.reg).

Those registry fixes are only needed if you want Windows Mail to handle
all the default mail protocols. The fixes aren't needed to get basic mail
functionality.

Be aware that future Windows Updates may render WM inoperable in
Windows 7, as will running SFC.exe. For that reason I recommend also
installing Windows Live Mail, so you will have an immediate fallback
if WM fails.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"poppa bear" wrote in message news:ujzXIgFY...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[poppabear]

[quote][b]Anonymous (11/8/2009)[/b][hr]Post in reply to: poppa bearNote:=20There is a clickable link for WinMail2.zip (which contains =WinMail2.reg).Those registry fixes are only needed if you want Windows Mail to handleall the default mail protocols. The fixes aren't needed to get basic =mailfunctionality.Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolenThank you very much&nbsp;for this info.&nbsp; I successfully downloaded Windows-Mail2.reg.&nbsp; However, after I ran it, every time I open Windows Mail, I get a Log on pop-up asking for the User Name and Password for every email account.&nbsp; When I put them in, it still won't open the account or remember the user name and password entered.Can you tell me how to disable this log on pop-up?

[Gary VanderMolen]

Either your antivirus program or one of your other security programs
may be blocking writes to the registry. Changes can't be saved if
they can't be written to the registry.
Some of the security programs known to do this are:

Ad-Aware Ad-Watch
IBM Access Connections
Kaspersky
McAfee VirusScan and/or Antispyware
Norton AV
Spyware Blaster
Spybot> Tools> IE Tweaks
Spybot- Teatimer
Spy Sweeper
Spyware Doctor
Zone Alarm (free) 6.5, reported to be fixed in later versions.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

"poppa bear" wrote in message news:%23enQqWP...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[Paul H]

Gary, your advice is excellent. My email is working, with all of my
contacts and my folder structures. I had to export .iaf files to avoid
having to enter passwords for my 16 email accounts. Whew!

But based upon the problems that poppa bear says he had with the hacks, I
probably should leave what I have. What is an example of what I will be
missing? A big deal, or just a minor annoyance occasionally?

Today I did an in-place update from Vista 32 bit Home Premium to W7 32 bit
Home Premium, using the CDs that Acer sent because I purchased one of their
8 hour battery 15.6" 5810T laptops last month for $450. It took forever,
and I had to turn the laptop off a couple times, then start it back up. It
picked up where it had been stuck, every time. That concerned me, but the
results appear OK. I finished by doing their many updates. All of the
applications work. And since my contacts and emails are where they were, I
suspect the same technique will work there,and I'd rather use that laptop as
my email machine.

Thanks again, and could I trust the hacks, or learn from poppa bear's
problems?

Paul

"Gary VanderMolen" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

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[Paul H]

I have some information that I will not publish in this or any newsgroup,
but that I'm sure you will find useful. If you email me, I'll send it to
you (and will not deluge with other emails.) You can confirm my credibility
by viewing www.pchplano.com .

"Gary VanderMolen" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

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[Gary VanderMolen]

Without the .reg hacks, Windows Mail will not be called up
automatically when you click on a "Email Us" link on a web page
(this is technically known as the MailTo protocol).
Also, if you are in another program such as Windows Live Photo Gallery,
which has an Email command on its toolbar, that command won't work
because Windows Mail is not designated to be the default email program
in Windows 7.

The latest version of the .reg hacks worked for me. But who knows what
Microsoft will do in the future to thwart it? I have to maintain a working
copy of Windows Mail so I can properly assist users, but if that were not
the case, I'd probably convert 100% to Windows Live Mail.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen

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