Re: Move \Users folder once for all

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I know this is an old thread but it seems the most relevant to what I
need to do. I will try it out tonight but just wanted to check if you
had discoveerd any untoward effects of doign this? I was a little put
out to read:

Using ProfilesDirectory to redirect folders to a drive other
than the system volume blocks upgrades

on the Technet site under this key change.

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How to move the special folders in Windows Vista
• Ramesh Srinivasan http://www.winhelponline.com/articles/180/1/
• Published Nov 28, 2006

Introduction
This article describes how to move the special folders in Windows®
Vista.

Moving the special folders
Windows Vista lets you easily relocate the shell folder paths for
Documents, Music and Pictures folder using the Property sheet. Note
that in Windows XP, selectively moving the My Pictures or the My Music
folders required a registry edit. This is no longer the case in Vista.
Method 1 USELESS
To move a special folder to a different drive or path, follow these
steps:
• Create the destination folder first
• Click the Start button
• Right-click the special folder (Documents, Music, or Pictures) and
choose Properties
• Select the Location tab
• Click Move and select the target folder
• Click Apply
• Click Yes when you're prompted to move the files to new location
• Click OK
The shell folder is now moved to the new location.

Method 2: Using Registry Editor
To accomplish this using Registry editor, follow these steps:
• Create the destination folder first
• Click Start, Run and type Regedit.exe
• For per-user special folders, navigate to the following location:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER \ Software \ Microsoft \ Windows \ CurrentVersion \
Explorer \ User Shell Folders
• For per-system special folders, navigate to the following location:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE \ Software \ Microsoft \ Windows \ CurrentVersion \
Explorer \ User Shell Folders
• Double-click the corresponding shell folder name
• Change the Value data accordingly, mentioning the destination path
• Close Regedit.exe
Default shell folder paths - Listing
Per-user special folders
Value name (Special folder) Value data
{374DE290-123F-4565-9164-39C4925E467B} %USERPROFILE%\Downloads
AppData %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Roaming
Cache %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet
Files
Cookies %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies
Desktop %USERPROFILE%\Desktop
Favorites %USERPROFILE%\Favorites
History %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\History
Local AppData %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local
My Music %USERPROFILE%\Music
My Pictures %USERPROFILE%\Pictures
My Video %USERPROFILE%\Videos
Nethood %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Network
Shortcuts
Personal %USERPROFILE%\Documents
PrintHood %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Printer
Shortcuts
Programs %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start
Menu\Programs
Recent %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Recent
SendTo %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo
Start Menu %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
Startup %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start
Menu\Programs\Startup
Templates %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Templates

Per-system special folders
Value name (Special folder) Value data
{3D644C9B-1FB8-4f30-9B45-F670235F79C0} %PUBLIC%\Downloads
Common AppData %ProgramData%
Common Desktop %PUBLIC%\Desktop
Common Documents %PUBLIC%\Documents
Common Programs %ProgramData%\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs
Common Start Menu %ProgramData%\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
Common Startup %ProgramData%\Microsoft\Windows\Start
Menu\Programs\Startup
Common Templates %ProgramData%\Microsoft\Windows\Templates
CommonMusic %PUBLIC%\Music
CommonPictures %PUBLIC%\Pictures
CommonVideo %PUBLIC%\Videos

To reset the shell folder paths for Music/Documents/Pictures/Videos
folders in Windows Vista, you may use the REG file
reset_music_pictures_docs_path.reg. Download and save the file to the
Desktop. Right-click on the file and choose Merge.

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

;Resets the shell folder paths for Music, Pictures, Videos and
Documents
;For Windows Vista systems only
;Created on March 30, 2007
;Ramesh Srinivasan - http://www.winhelponline.com

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User
Shell Folders]
"My
Music"=hex(2):25,00,55,00,53,00,45,00,52,00,50,00,52,00,4f,00,46,00,49,00,\
4c,00,45,00,25,00,5c,00,4d,00,75,00,73,00,69,00,63,00,00,00
"My
Pictures"=hex(2):25,00,55,00,53,00,45,00,52,00,50,00,52,00,4f,00,46,00,49,\

00,4c,00,45,00,25,00,5c,00,50,00,69,00,63,00,74,00,75,00,72,00,65,00,73,00,\
00,00
"My
Video"=hex(2):25,00,55,00,53,00,45,00,52,00,50,00,52,00,4f,00,46,00,49,00,\
4c,00,45,00,25,00,5c,00,56,00,69,00,64,00,65,00,6f,00,73,00,00,00
"Personal"=hex(2):25,00,55,00,53,00,45,00,52,00,50,00,52,00,4f,00,46,00,49,00,\

4c,00,45,00,25,00,5c,00,44,00,6f,00,63,00,75,00,6d,00,65,00,6e,00,74,00,73,\
00,00,00

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How can I move the "users" folder???
Is there an easy way to move the user folder off the system drive? I
understand the concept of virtual folders, but when i drag and drop a
file from my desktop to my "Matthew" folder i have displayed on the
desktop, it goes to c:\Users\Matthew I want my Users folder on my E:\
drive (e:\users\matthew) Even better would be if i could have
"c:\users" just be "e:\"

Re: How can I move the "users" folder??? Need it off the C: drive!!!!
If you want to re-direct all your user data folders in one shot, you
essentially have two options:
1. You can use unattend.xml (i believe there is a blog post on this)
during setup to define exactly where you want your Profile 'Users'
directory to be created. All new profiles will be created at that
location.
2. You can also individually redirect all your profile folders using
the following method if you already have the OS installed. However one
thing to point out is that once you have the OS installed, you cannot
move the root profile folder, i.e. Users directory or the username
folder itself.
1. Go to the Start>Username folder.
2. Select all the folders in the explorer window you want to
move/re-direct.
3. Cut-paste them to the new location of your choosing.
This will also redirect all the folders to the new location and update
the registry entries for them as well in a manner similar to the manual
redirection via the locations tab as suggested above.

Actually, there IS a way to move existing profiles and the profiles
root directory, although I'm sure it's unsupported, use at your own
risk, etc.
The key HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\ProfileList
includes a value for the ProfilesDirectory that points to the root
profile directory (i.e. %SystemDrive%\Users), and each subkey
represents the location of a single profile, identified by account SID.
User profiles don't all have to be under the root profile directory, but
the Default and All Users profiles do. Newly copied profiles (either
from default or roaming) go into the root profile directory.
Don't try to move a profile that's in use. Changes to the profile root
directory only take effect properly after reboot.
Even if you move the profile, there MIGHT be paths that lead to the old
directory (although this isn't supposed to be happening to support
roaming profiles correctly; romaing profiles may be located anywhere
when cached on the client machines).

Wow. That registry trick works awesome. Thats exactly what i needed.
Now my e:\ drive has Users, Documents, Images, Videos, Music, and
Downloads folders, with the virtual folders under 'e:\Users\Matthew'
and 'e:\Users\Ashley' linking back out to thier respective folder in
the root directory (e:\)
All this so when my 'Matthew' folder is displayed on the desktop, i can
drag and drop files to it and they physically reside at
e:\Users\Matthew. From there further sorting into the Virtual folders
is easy.

We provide an unattend setting (Microsoft-Windows-Shell-Setup |
FolderLocations | ProfilesDirectory) for doing exactly this! I would
recommend applying this setting during a clean install. But beware - if
you move the Users folder to a location other than the system volume,
upgrades will be blocked!!!

A description of known issues with the FolderLocation settings in the
Windows Vista Unattend.xml
file http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929831
INTRODUCTION
You can use the FolderLocations settings in the
"Microsoft-Windows-Shell-Setup" area of the Windows Vista Unattend.xml
file to move the user profiles folder or the program data folder to a
non-default target location. The user profiles folder is typically
%systemdrive%\Users. The program data folder is typically
%systemdrive%\ProgramData.

This article describes known issues with the FolderLocations settings
in the Unattend.xml file.
MORE INFORMATION
The target location for the user profiles and program data folders can
be on a volume other than the system drive as long as the volume meets
the following requirements:
It must be an NTFS file system volume.
It must not be the path of another operating system user profile
folder or program data folder.
It must not contain any serviceable components.
These unattend settings have the following known issues:

If you use the FolderLocations unattend settings to move user data or
program data to a location other than the %systemdrive% folder, you
block upgrades to other versions of Windows Vista or to later releases
of Microsoft Windows.

If you use the System Preparation Tool (Sysprep) to apply the
FolderLocations unattend settings, some system directory junctions do
not point to the new target location. The following system directory
junctions continue to point to the old locations:

C:\Documents and Settings continues to point to C:\Users.

C:\ProgramData\Desktop continues to point to C:\Users\Public\Desktop.

C:\ProgramData\Documents continues to point to
C:\Users\Public\Documents.

C:\ProgramData\Favorites continues to point to
C:\Users\Public\Favorites.

If you use the Windows Vista Setup program to apply the FolderLocations
unattend settings, the system directory junctions do not point to the
new target location. The following system directory junctions continue
to point to the old locations:

C:\Documents and Settings continues to point to C:\Users.

C:\Users\Default User continues to point to C:\Users\Default.

C:\Users\All Users continues to point to C:\ProgramData.

If you use the System Preparation Tool to apply the ProfilesDirectory
unattend settings, the user profiles of domain users who have
previously logged on to the computer are left in the old location. The
public profile is also left in the old location.

The EdBott.com blog advice doesn't really re-locate the user folder. It
only relocates some of the user subfolders (Documents, Music, etc.) It
doesn't work for the hidden user subfolders (like AppData) at all. And
it doesn't move the root folder for the user, so if you click on the
username on the Start menu, you're still taken to the C:\users\username
folder.
The same goes for cutting and pasting user subfolders, I believe, as
was mentioned in an eariler post.
So far, it looks like the registry change is the way to go. BTW, here
is the microsoft KB article that documents that registry hack:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/236621

XP RESOLUTION http://support.microsoft.com/kb/236621
To specify a different folder for the "Documents and Settings" folder
during installation, follow these steps:
1. Use the /UNATTEND switch with Winnt.exe or Winnt32.exe and insert
the following entry into the Unattend.txt file, where z:\foldername is
the path and folder name you want:
[GuiUNattended]
ProfilesDir = z:\foldername
2. Install Windows. The path you included in the Unattend.txt file is
used instead of the default "Documents and Settings" folder.

To specify a different folder for the "Documents and Settings" folder
after you install Windows for a particular user, follow these steps:
1. Identify the user's profile path. There are two methods to identify
the profile path. Either by user path settings or user SID. The user
SID method is preferred.

User SID method
a. Use the GETSID tool from the Windows Server Resource Kit to obtain
the SID. Use syntax similar to the following example:
GETSID \\SERVER1 UserName \\SERVER1 UserName
b. Once you obtain the SID, use Regedit.exe or Regedt32.exe to select
the user's SID under the following registry key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
NT\CurrentVersion\ProfileList

User path setting
a. Log on to the computer as the user, and then type SET at a command
prompt. Note the setting for USERPROFILE, and then close the command
prompt window.
b. Log on as an administrator of the computer.
c.
Use Registry Editor to add the USERPROFILE setting to the following
registry key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
NT\CurrentVersion\ProfileList
d. Click the registry key, and then click Find on the Edit menu.
e. In the Find box, type the value of the USERPROFILE setting, and
then click Find Next.

2. Change the ProfileImagePath value to use the new path you want in
the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
NT\CurrentVersion\ProfileList registry key.
3. Close Registry Editor, and then log on as the user. Type SET at the
command prompt to verify the path has changed.
Entire Folder
NOTE: This method relocates key Windows components. Use this method
only if you require the "Documents and Settings" folder to be moved or
renamed and you cannot use the Unattend.txt file to change the name
during installation.

To specify a different folder for the entire "Documents and Settings"
folder, including key system components, follow these steps:
1. Log on to the computer as an administrator.
2. Create a new folder.
3. Open the current "Documents and Settings" folder.
4. On the Tools menu, click Folder Options, and then click the View
tab.
5. Under Advanced settings click Show hidden files and folders, and
then click to clear the Hide file extensions for known file types and
Hide protected operating system files check boxes.
6. Click OK.
7. Click and drag to copy all the folders to the new folder, except for
the currently logged on users folder.
8. In Control Panel, double-click System, and then click the User
Profiles tab.
9. Copy the current user's profile to the new folder.
10. Click OK, close Control Panel, and then log off and log on to the
computer as an administrator again.
11. In Registry Editor, click Find on the Edit menu.
12. Type documents and settings, and then click Find.
13. Replace the value data or rename the value or registry key to the
new path for each and every registry key and value that contains the
original path.NOTE: You must complete this change for every instance in
the registry or your computer may not start. It is imperative that you
update all registry keys and values with the new path.
14. Restart the computer.
15. You can now safely remove the original "Documents and Settings"
folder.
Note If you search the registry for "Documents and Settings," you will
find a string value in the following subkey:
HKLM\system\controlset001\control\hivelist. This string value is
\Device\HarddiskVolume#\Documents and Settings. Do not change this
string value. After you finish searching for "Documents and Settings,"
also search for the short file name "Docume~1." Change the path for
those results.
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Posted April 7, 2007 Comments(36)
Here lies my experience moving my entire User Profile folder structure,
including Default, Public, and any local users.
In my search for a solution, the only two easy ways I found to move the
user profile directory locations from the system drive is to
1. Set the User Profile folder during setup using an unattended install
file.
2. Move the individual folders inside your user profile, which can be
done using explorer (which will update the registry keys
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell
Folders and
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User
Shell Folders).
However, this was not good enough for me, I wanted my actual user
profile folder to be moved to a seperate partition/volume, including
registry settings. I discovered that it is not actually that hard,
provided you’re comfortable with mass replacing registry keys and
values.
Here is how I moved my user profile location. Please note that I
wanted all of the profiles moved, included Public and Default, so some
of these steps can be skipped if you do not want that:
1. Make sure you have a complete backup of your system!
2. Copy the original Default Profile directory to the new location
(e.g. from C:\Users\Default to D:\Users\Default).
3. Copy the original Public Profile directory to the new location (e.g.
from C:\Users\Public to D:\Users\Public).
4. Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
NT\CurrentVersion\ProfileList.
5. Change the value of the Default key to the new user profile location
(e.g. D:\Users\Default).
6. Change the value of the Public key to the new user profile location
(e.g. D:\Users\Public).
7. Change the value of the ProfilesDirectory to the new user profile
location (e.g. D:\Users).
8. At this point, you need to restart and log back in as a different
user that has never logged in before and therefore does not have a
profile created. In my case, the Administrator user had never logged
in before so I enabled it so that Administrator could log in and used
that. You can enable Administrator login by loading Computer
Management and then go to User Accounts, edit the properties for
Administrator, and then uncheck Disable Login.
9. After logging in for the first time with the new user account, you
will see “Creating Desktop” and other things like that while Windows is
creating your profile. Note that the new profile should be created in
the new location.
10. After logging in, try to close as many applications as possible.
This will prevent most files from being locked so that you cannot copy
them.
11. Copy the entire original user profiles folder from the original
location to the new location (e.g. C:\Users\* to D:\Users\). (See next
step after copy starts).
12. There are a few things to note during this copy. There were
thousands of .TMP files that were locked and would not copy. I just
skipped these files. I held down Alt-S so that I could see all of the
skipped files and make sure that there were only .TMP files being
skipped. Yes, this took a little while, but at least I was confident
that I got all of my files copied. This process could probably be made
easier using the command prompt or powershell.
13. If, in your case, there are some files that will not copy, you can
run procexp.exe, which is file provided by sysinternals. Then do a
Find Handle and search for part of the filename. procexp will tell you
which programs are locking the file. As long as you closed as many
programs as you could, though, this should not happen.
14. Find and download a program that will do a Search & Replace on the
registry. I will not suggest one because I did not find one single
program that worked perfectly. I ended up downloading a few different
freeware applications and using all of them.
15. Using the Registry Search & Replace program, do a search for the
original user profile folder and replace it with the new user profile
folder (e.g. search for “C:\Users” and replace with “D:\Users”. Note
that some of the applications I used would only change values and not
key names. However, the keys that needed to be changed were all
related to MuiCache. I do not know if these actually need to be
updated. I did just to make sure.
16. Log out. Log back in with the same user. Repeat step 14 until
there is nothing left to replace. The reason for this step is that on
logout, some programs seem to update the registry using the old user
profile path.
17. Run regedit.exe and do a search for the original user profile path
and make sure it does not exist. The reason for this step is because
(as noted in step 13), I did not trust any of the Registry Search &
Replace programs I used. I ended up needing to update about a dozen of
the keys and values manually, since the search & replace missed them.
18. So that you can easily find programs that do not use the registry
and hard-coded profile paths, rename your original profile folder (e.g.
rename C:\Users to C:\~Users).
19. Log out. Log back in as your usual user. Everything should be
working correctly except for programs that use a “hardcoded” user
profile location.
20. There are two easy methods that can be used to find programs that
use a “hardcoded” profile location and are still looking for the
original user profile path. You can use the procexp.exe trick
mentioned above and search for handles in the original profile
location. You can also monitor the oringal profile location to see if
any new folders or files were created. For example, in my case,
FolderShare created some folders and files in the directory
C:\Users\MyUsername\AppData\Local\FolderShare\. So, I updated the
FolderShare settings to point to the different path and then deleted
the C:\Users directory (note that C:\~Users still existed as a backup).

21. Since you are now confident that all of your data has been moved
(right??????), you can deleted the backup of the original user profile
location (e.g. C:\~Users).

This procedure worked flawlessly for me. Everything user-related is
now on a completely different volume, and I can sleep a little better
at night!
http://joshmouch.wordpress.com/

Please reply to my email. I have several ideas on improving your
process.
For step 14: Use Resplendence Registry Manager v5.50
Email me for a copy.

Jay

MRG...@gmail.com

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Hmmm, all sounds too hard guys :P. I have a simpler solution, easy to
set up, works flawlessly so far (although I'm not sure about that
upgrade problem, but I'd think it's easy enough to resolve when set up
this way), and the solution would have been staring you in the face,
since all the legacy user paths are dealt with this way... Just create a
directory junction/mount point!

I did it using a mount point; you create a new partition to hold the
profiles, copy the whole contents of c:\users onto the partition, then
reboot off the vista CD. Go to repair>command prompt, then from there
you rename c:\users to something like c:\oldusers, create a new empty
dir c:\users, then use MOUNTVOL to mount the partition to it. Or you
could create a new directory junction to the path of your choice
(although, correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe a junction has to
link to a location on the same volume, otherwise mount the vol).

Now you can reboot and voila! Vista doesn't seem to know the
difference, all your paths are intact and your user profiles are on
another volume, so you can trash vista and reinstall (or clone a backup
image, whatever) with ease whenever you need to. Actually, I believe
there's other advantages too - shadow copies will be segregated between
system and users volumes, plus I'm thinking it may even have a
performance advantage since it will reduce system-wide fragmentation and
provide smaller, more specific search indexes etc. I'm just about to
make an extra partition to do the same for my program files too; so
system, apps and users are contained in their own domains.

So you're not relying on the hope that changing the users path
explicitly (in the registry etc.) is going to affect everything - for
all intensive purposes, the path is still the same, the show keeps
rolling, and your system is none the wiser!

If you want to try this out, be sure you know what you're doing (yeah I
haven't gone into every little specific detail, but if you can't fill
the gaps then best don't try this), and make backups first etc. (not
that I practice what I preach, but anyway...). Of course it's your
responsibility if you bugger it up, I'm not offering any guarantees,
just good advice and good luck with it!

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Scatterlogical;4232765 Wrote:
> Hmmm, all sounds too hard guys :P. ...

>
> I did it using a mount point; you create a new partition to hold the
> profiles, copy the whole contents of c:\users onto the partition, then
> reboot off the vista CD. Go to repair>command prompt, then from there
> you rename c:\users to something like c:\oldusers, create a new empty

> dir c:\users, then use MOUNTVOL to mount the partition to it. ...
>

Hi, just registered to thank you for this brillian Idea !! :)

Did you this for programms folders too? And it's hopefully working?
I'll try when I got my new hardware. Thinking of 50GB for Vista x64,
150GB Programms and the rest for the users directory.

Jawdropping simple! Thank you again! Greez!

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Scatterlogical

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Thanks for the feedback, glad to be of service :)

To be honest I haven't gotten around to doing the programs dir yet, got
some rearranging of my partitions to do still. But have been running my
system with the new users path since my last post, without a single
hitch, and I totally don't see why there should be any drama to do the
progs, since using junctions/mounts essentially makes the change
transparent and totally compatible.

Do let us know how you go with it, and good luck!

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groovyKimo

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Scatterlogical;4245286 Wrote:
>
> Do let us know how you go with it, and good luck!

Thanks! I'll get my new hardware next week, so stay tuned...

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groovyKimo

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PigLover;4257282 Wrote:
> One question: what happens when the disk you are using for 'users'
> fails? You don't have anyplace left to have an administrator log in and
> fix it, do you?

Since you rename the original user-folder, you can disable the mount
point and use c:\user\admin again if needed. Or restore you backup with
another computer on a new disc and replace the crashed one. :)

What I asked myself is about performace: For the user folder I don't
care much, but for program folders, will a mount point slow down the
data rate because of redirection?

Any clues?

PigLover

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OK, I got the idea of mounting the volume on top of users. Sounds like
it should work great.

One question: what happens when the disk you are using for 'users'
fails? You don't have anyplace left to have an administrator log in and

fix it, do you? Is Vista just hung and you are SOL or is there a
graceful way to deal with this?

I really want to do this - it will solve a HUGE problem for me - but
I've been burned in the past when a disk failed. The whole idea is to
make the system more resilient and I am worried about creating a new
complication.

Thoughts?

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groovyKimo;4259733 Wrote:
> What I asked myself is about performace: For the user folder I don't
> care much, but for program folders, will a mount point slow down the
> data rate because of redirection?
>
> Any clues?

For me I hadn't planned to relocate the programs folder. My plan is to
build the main drive to be as compact and fast as possible. I have
samples of 32G Intel X25-Es (the single-level enterprise class SSDs)
that I was going to put together into a 64Gb raid-0 for performance.
Then run Users on a pair of 750Gb Seagate's running in a raid-1 for
reliability. This way response on the 'programs' file and OS will be
faster than life. Since the OS and programs don't change too much I'll
just take and image weekly onto a normal bootable drive, which I think I
can even completely automate with Ghost (I prefer Acronis over Ghost for
backups but Ghost will at least automate an image onto a bare drive).
Seems perfectly safe AND fast. Just need to remember to relocate the
pagefile so that you don't to too many writes onto the SSDs.

I still worry though - how will Vista behave if the mount point fails.
I think I might actually leave 'users' where it is, including having an
admin user built and left there, and then just mount the one user
directory with any files in it (mine).

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Well, it's some time, but here is my promised update:

I decided against using a mount point for any of the user folders. I
wanted to have the admin account in its default location and my user
files at D:\MyAccount.

For this I used Junction Points, generated with this tool: 'Junction
Link Magic' (http://www.rekenwonder.com/linkmagic.htm). With this tool I
also remade the hidden Junction Points Vista makes in the user folders,
which you can't copy somehow.

The only drawback I found so far is that Vista ist not indexing my
files through the Junction Point C:\Users\MyAccount. Guess this would
work with MountVol. But I need other stuff in the root of D and don't
want many partitions on my drive...

So I'm looking for a way to change indexed paths from D:\MyAccount to
C:\Users\MyAccount. Any clues?

> I still worry though - how will Vista behave if the mount point fails.

Yeah, that's the reason I made it this way too! :)

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groovyKimo;4309369 Wrote:
> Well, it's some time, but here is my promised update:
>

> For this I used Junction Points, generated with this tool: 'Junction
> Link Magic' (http://www.rekenwonder.com/linkmagic.htm). With this tool I
> also remade the hidden Junction Points Vista makes in the user folders,
> which you can't copy somehow.
>
>

Sorry if I am a bit slow but I don't understand everything written here
too well but ready to learn.

I have previously just dragged each users folder to a second D: hard
drive, I think the Favourites and Contacts folders have issues.

I downloaded your software and did a scan and even though the shell
folders have been moved it does not show anything on drive D:

I have read the help but still feel out of my depth.

What I basically want is to move users folders to the Data drive and
all new users to turn up in the Data drive

I don’t know how to use Junction Link Magic to do this.

I have copied all the shell folders from Drive C to Drive D for user
Ian but your software does not show that when I do a scan.

I believe the most common request by far is people want to run an
application after windows install an application that takes all user
shell folders and place them on an alternate drive and create that as
default for new users added. They would also like this to have existing
user content on the C: drive moved to the data drive at the same time.

Failing that a step by step procedure would be great.

1 procedure for an individual user and 1 procedure for setting for
global new users created.

I appreciate your time will be valuable and this is volunteer work but
I for one would happily pay $20 + for an application that did this with
some sort of walk through wizard or even just did it all without any
explanation.

Thanks for your time and without your forum post I would not be aware
of this.

I was also interested in your indexing question but wouldn't you just
index the drive the folders were the data exists, that is what I do
currently.

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Hi Agent

First to say, this is very advanced stuff. Configuring things somehow
is the first, maintaining the changes the second. If you rely on your
machine and don't really know what you're doing it may not be the best
thing to tinker around. If you want it save and easy you better look for
a mac... ;)

You should keep a file on a second, save machine what, when and how you
changed. If every new user should be on D, then the users folder should
point to D, with mountvol or a Junction Point. Think of it as a tunnel.
Vista gets the data through it without knowing it went to the other
side. If that fails somehow, your system is broken and you will need
some commandline skills to fix it. Or a new installation.

Vistas indexing doesn't reach through the tunnel. I don't get results
searching in c:\users\account (which is the second top folder in the
data explorer), only in D:\account (which I need to mark under
Computer). But when I click c:\users\account, I see D:\account.
Otherwise one would have multiple results for one file, seen through
multiple Junction Points.

Junction Points can't (yet) moved or copied. You need to remake all the
original ones if you copied you account. Make shure you downloaded the
Vista version, which is alpha. Just define the two ends of the
"datatunnel".

I'm not a big coder. Coding this is not a big deal, but bugfixing and
supporting users with thousands of different systems out there — leaving
a PC dead with an error...

Finally, there's no great need for partitions today. Unless you are a
backupmaniac like me: Backing up the data daily incremental and
mirroring it weekly somewhere else. Then you don't want your some 100 GB
included in your weekly C-image. But I never lost my data since 20 years
and some HD- and systemcrashs... ;)

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Ok that all sounds over my head. The drag shell folders to drive D seems
to works for what I do. I image all drives with Acronis True Image. I
have Windows home server for backing up all computers overnight and file
duplicaiton on for critical data and offsite backup using Jungle disk
for important stuff. The only time I have lost data several times is
when I messed with different OS on the first drive. Since moving to a
second or third drive for data I have never lost data only OS issues
with multi boot and Acronis fixes that fast. All my mistakes occure
after 1am in the early hours and it has been a big day and you
accidently click delete on something automatically without thinking :-)

I still think there is a market for someone to do the shell folders
thing though as it is widely discussed. I might also look at the
registry settings some people are using.

I was just wanting to do it right as I have 3 new computers and thought
there must be a better way, I am fussy like that.

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Ah, a backup-brother! :) I've lost important data I had on a XP-desktop
- I hadn't a backup of that then. I use Acronis and SyncBack. Yeah, I
know that late-night-problem...

If you have several machines and some time - play with one. Junction
Points are fun. If a program sets its userfolder fix in your document
root, move it, make a JP instead and hide it. The document root is clean
again. :)

You're welcome, have fun!

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Hello everyone,
Its 18 months later. I invented the first method to move Vista's users
folder of the C: Drive. Got alot of email from it.
http://www.eggheadcafe.com/software/aspnet/30363432/-move-users-folder-on.aspx

Until I discovered Scatterlogical's idea, not much work had been done
including myself.
Scatterlogical your solution is very inventive. But may be good for NTFS
Volumes only. I will have to test it. I do not like NTFS. I try to use FAT32
when possible. The new ExFAT looks promising.
To what extent have you tested your method ?
Does this not leave the original folder in tact taking up space ?
Scatterlogical Please contact me at MRG...@gmail.com

>(Scatterlogical

Hmmm, all sounds too hard guys :P. I have a simpler solution, easy to set
up, works flawlessly so far (although I'm not sure about that upgrade
problem, but I'd think it's easy enough to resolve when set up this way), and
the solution would have been staring you in the face, since all the legacy
user paths are dealt with this way... Just create a directory junction/mount
point!

I did it using a mount point; you create a new partition to hold the

profiles, copy the whole contents of c:\users onto the partition, then reboot
off the vista CD. Go to repair>command prompt, then from there you rename
c:\users to something like c:\oldusers, create a new empty dir c:\users, then

use MOUNTVOL to mount the partition to it. Or you could create a new
directory junction to the path of your choice (although, correct me if I'm
wrong, but I do believe a junction has to link to a location on the same
volume, otherwise mount the vol).

Now you can reboot and voila! Vista doesn't seem to know the difference,
all your paths are intact and your user profiles are on another volume, so
you can trash vista and reinstall (or clone a backup image, whatever) with
ease whenever you need to. Actually, I believe there's other advantages too -
shadow copies will be segregated between system and users volumes, plus I'm
thinking it may even have a performance advantage since it will reduce
system-wide fragmentation and provide smaller, more specific search indexes
etc. I'm just about to make an extra partition to do the same for my program
files too; so system, apps and users are contained in their own domains.

So you're not relying on the hope that changing the users path explicitly
(in the registry etc.) is going to affect everything - for all intensive
purposes, the path is still the same, the show keeps rolling, and your system

is none the wiser! )

Piglover, (what a name)

You make good point. What does happen if your ?:/users drive fails. If
it fails during an OS secession then your computer functionality will
diminish but you should not crash, as data is retained in memory. Open
programs will need to be saved elsewhere. restart will not likely happen.
If your are rebooting and your ?:/users drive failed you problaly will
not boot ot boot to a blank windows screen.
In either case as long as you are dual booting and have made a backup copy
of ?:/users YOU ARE NOT SOL or screwed.

Currentaly I am going with new equipment quad processors and all 64bit
OS's in a penta-boot (thats five OS's) Also messing with RAID 1+0.

("PigLover" wrote:
> OK, I got the idea of mounting the volume on top of users. Sounds like
> it should work great.
>
> One question: what happens when the disk you are using for 'users'
> fails?
You don't have anyplace left to have an administrator log in and
> fix it, do you? Is Vista just hung and you are SOL or is there a

> graceful way to deal with this?)

>
> I really want to do this - it will solve a HUGE problem for me - but
> I've been burned in the past when a disk failed. The whole idea is to
> make the system more resilient and I am worried about creating a new
> complication.
>
> Thoughts?
>
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Lastly the Junction Link program is nice but linited to NTFS. So it NOT the
univeral solution like I created originally.
Since I created the original solution and am a microsoft beta tester for
windows 7, and that Microsoft is stuck in their ways.
A similar solution for Windows 7 is required.
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SoNotHollywood

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can't we just do a reboot , go to the command prompt and do this....

robocopy C:\Users D:\Users /E /COPYALL /XJ
rmdir /S /Q C:\Users
rmdir "C:\Documents and Settings"
mklink /J C:\Users D:\Users
mklink /J "C:\Documents and Settings" D:\Users

isn't mklink a lot better and safer that using the mount?
==========================
* Robocopy options:
/E
copy subdirectories, including Empty ones.

/XJ
eXclude Junction points. (normally included by default). Never exclude
this

/COPYALL
COPY ALL file info

**rmdir options

/S
Removes all directories and files in the specified directory in
addition to the directory itself. Used to remove a directory tree.
/Q
Quiet mode, do not ask if ok to remove a directory tree with /S

***mklink options

/J
Creates a Directory Junction.

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NotSoHollywood:

I like your solution but I wonder if you have found any problems with
it since you first posted it. For example, do updates works OK? and do
any programs fail because they are 'hard-wired' to C:\Users?

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i will be honest with you this was my last straw with windows vista, i
didnt get a chance to test and see if this would have worked in the long
term so i have no answer....

I installed the pre release of windows 7 and been using that over one
month now, my brother also did the same on a older laptop he had,

we both agree its a amazing operating system, seems like a faster tuned
up xp, made me forget about all my vista nightmares,

sorry i couldn't answer your question :-)

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Yes, I went down exactly the same route - I gave up on Vista after two
years of struggling. But of course the same questions apply to Windows 7
- have you tried to move Users in Windows 7?

I agree that so far Windows 7 looks as though it's everything that
Vista ought to have been. Still, it's early days yet and there may be
flaws that have yet to minifest themselves, but it's looking good.

Still want to get user files off C: though!

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You should keep a file on a second, save machine what, when and how you
changed. If every new user should be on D, then the users folder should
point to D, with mountvol or a Junction Point. Think of it as a tunnel.
Vista gets the data through it without knowing it went to the other
side. If that fails somehow, your system is broken and you will need
some commandline skills to fix it. Or a new installation.

Vistas indexing doesn't reach through the tunnel. I don't get results
searching in c:\users\account (which is the second top folder in the
data explorer), only in D:\account (which I need to mark under
Computer). But when I click c:\users\account, I see D:\account.
Otherwise one would have multiple results for one file, seen through
multiple Junction Points.

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Hi All,

Sorry for pointing back to an old thread, but am having a miserable
time here trying to move Vista/Win7 profiles.

In XP, it was quite simple. Move the entire Docs & Settings folder to
another drive, create a junction pointing c:\docs & settings to the new
drive and you were done. Relatively easy stuff (a few intermediate
steps left out for brievity).

Now in Vista, I can use almost the same hack, with the one exception
that when I move the Users folder to a seperate drive, none of the OS
junctions contained within the profiles are moved as well. I have tried
to recreate them by hand, but can't seem to get the right combination of
ACLs and attributes to make them exist exactly as they were prior to the
move.

After recreating the junctions, they do not get hidden when "Hide
Operating System Files" is enabled. THe original profile junctions do
not have the system or hidden attributes set, and yet they are still
hidden.

Does anyone know how I can recreate these profiles (including
junctions!) on another drive?

Thanks,

Eric

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You simply do not understand anything of computers and IT. You are making such a big mess out of anything.
You claim you invented... this is ridicolous, there's a builtin function to do that.
Stop writing misleading and dangerous information!

mrgcav wrote:

How to move the special folders in Windows Vista? Ramesh Srinivasan
18-Jul-07

How to move the special folders in Windows Vista

? Ramesh Srinivasan http://www.winhelponline.com/articles/180/1/
? Published Nov 28, 2006

Introduction
This article describes how to move the special folders in Windows?
Vista.

Moving the special folders
Windows Vista lets you easily relocate the shell folder paths for
Documents, Music and Pictures folder using the Property sheet. Note
that in Windows XP, selectively moving the My Pictures or the My Music
folders required a registry edit. This is no longer the case in Vista.
Method 1 USELESS
To move a special folder to a different drive or path, follow these
steps:

? Create the destination folder first
? Click the Start button
? Right-click the special folder (Documents, Music, or Pictures) and
choose Properties
? Select the Location tab
? Click Move and select the target folder
? Click Apply
? Click Yes when you're prompted to move the files to new location
? Click OK

The shell folder is now moved to the new location.

Method 2: Using Registry Editor
To accomplish this using Registry editor, follow these steps:

? Create the destination folder first
? Click Start, Run and type Regedit.exe
? For per-user special folders, navigate to the following location:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER \ Software \ Microsoft \ Windows \ CurrentVersion \
Explorer \ User Shell Folders

? For per-system special folders, navigate to the following location:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE \ Software \ Microsoft \ Windows \ CurrentVersion \
Explorer \ User Shell Folders

? Double-click the corresponding shell folder name
? Change the Value data accordingly, mentioning the destination path
? Close Regedit.exe

Music"=hex(2):25,00,55,00,53,00,45,00,52,00,50,00,52,00,4f,00,46,00,4,00,\

4c,00,45,00,25,00,5c,00,44,00,6f,00,63,00,75,00,6d,00,65,00,6e,00,74,00,73,\
00,00,00

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"Microsoft-Windows-Shel-Setup" area of the Windows Vista Unattend.xml

NT\CurrentVersion\ProfleList

http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=192697

provided you?re comfortable with mass replacing registry keys and

values.
Here is how I moved my user profile location. Please note that I
wanted all of the profiles moved, included Public and Default, so some

of these steps can be skiped if you do not want that:

1. Make sure you have a complete backup of your system!
2. Copy the original Default Profile directory to the new location
(e.g. from C:\Users\Default to D:\Users\Default).
3. Copy the original Public Profile directory to the new location (e.g.
from C:\Users\Public to D:\Users\Public).
4. Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
NT\CurrentVersion\ProfileList.
5. Change the value of the Default key to the new user profile location
(e.g. D:\Users\Default).
6. Change the value of the Public key to the new user profile location
(e.g. D:\Users\Public).
7. Change the value of the ProfilesDirectory to the new user profile
location (e.g. D:\Users).
8. At this point, you need to restart and log back in as a different
user that has never logged in before and therefore does not have a
profile created. In my case, the Administrator user had never logged
in before so I enabled it so that Administrator could log in and used
that. You can enable Administrator login by loading Computer
Management and then go to User Accounts, edit the properties for
Administrator, and then uncheck Disable Login.
9. After logging in for the first time with the new user account, you

will see ?Creating Desktop? and other things like that while Windows is

folder (e.g. search for ?C:\Users? and replace with ?D:\Users?. Note

that some of the applications I used would only change values and not
key names. However, the keys that needed to be changed were all
related to MuiCache. I do not know if these actually need to be
updated. I did just to make sure.
16. Log out. Log back in with the same user. Repeat step 14 until
there is nothing left to replace. The reason for this step is that on
logout, some programs seem to update the registry using the old user
profile path.
17. Run regedit.exe and do a search for the original user profile path
and make sure it does not exist. The reason for this step is because
(as noted in step 13), I did not trust any of the Registry Search &
Replace programs I used. I ended up needing to update about a dozen of
the keys and values manually, since the search & replace missed them.
18. So that you can easily find programs that do not use the registry
and hard-coded profile paths, rename your original profile folder (e.g.
rename C:\Users to C:\~Users).
19. Log out. Log back in as your usual user. Everything should be

working correctly except for programs that use a ?hardcoded? user

profile location.
20. There are two easy methods that can be used to find programs that

use a ?hardcoded? profile location and are still looking for the

Jay

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On Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:12 AM
gary.lane wrote:

I know this is an old thread but it seems the most relevant to what Ineed to
I know this is an old thread but it seems the most relevant to what I
need to do. I will try it out tonight but just wanted to check if you

had discoveerd any untoward effects of doign this? I was a little put
out to read:

Using ProfilesDirectory to redirect folders to a drive other

than the system volume blocks upgrades

on the Technet site under this key change.

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mrgcav wrote:

How to move the special folders in Windows Vista? Ramesh Srinivasan