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Mickey Segal

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Apr 11, 2005, 10:12:17 PM4/11/05
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A few days after installing Ink Desktop I turned on my Tablet and the
Desktop had turned orange. The specification of desktop color in Display
Properties | Appearance | Advanced was still the intended color, and
fiddling there did not help. It may be related to Ink Desktop because
closing that utility restored the previous desktop shade (there was no image
on the desktop).

The orange color has come back once fleetingly on re-boot, but it had not
occurred for many reboots before the problem came up.

Anyone else seen this? The pen color I have for Ink Desktop is blue; it is
conceivable others might see the same phenomenon in a different shade
depending on the color they chose.


Chris H.

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Apr 11, 2005, 10:37:26 PM4/11/05
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Which templates are you using, Mickey, and are you in Portrait or Landscape
mode? Are you using High Resolution or the regular ones?
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Mickey Segal

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Apr 11, 2005, 10:59:17 PM4/11/05
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Landscape, 1024x768 high color. No templates - just Transparent and full
screen.

I just got the orange flash again - the desktop turned its proper color
after rebooting, then I got a second of orange late in the boot (when tray
icons were being added) then back to the proper color.

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Chris H.

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Apr 11, 2005, 11:15:02 PM4/11/05
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I seem to remember something about this, but can't put my finger on it right
now, Mickey. Sorry. I'll post as soon as it comes to mind.

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Woody

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Apr 12, 2005, 7:48:26 AM4/12/05
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I had a temporary orange section.
I installed inkdesktop and it was fine, but it didn't install the theme
properly as I had the old theme of the same name installed.
To reinstall the theme I had to remove the old theme, and after doing
that and restarting, I got the orange desktop on startup, and when
reinstalled the theme it went to light blue.
After a restart it was fine though and I haven't seen it again.

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Chris H.

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Apr 12, 2005, 9:27:27 AM4/12/05
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8-) I don't think so . . . 8-) Did you have the previous Energy Blue
Theme installed? Did you uninstall it before installing the Experience
Pack?

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> Maybe we have stumbled across some law of nature and this is how Orange
> Guava got its name.


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Mickey Segal

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Apr 12, 2005, 8:33:26 AM4/12/05
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Maybe we have stumbled across some law of nature and this is how Orange
Guava got its name.

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Mickey Segal

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Apr 12, 2005, 11:15:40 AM4/12/05
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I never selected the Energy Blue Theme. I installed it, and then looked at
its options, I think in Display Properties | Appearance, and did not click
OK or Apply since the only choice of color scheme was blue. However, now I
can't find an Energy Blue theme on that dialog and only see it on Effects.

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Chris H.

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Apr 12, 2005, 11:31:03 AM4/12/05
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If the current version happened to get installed, there should be a listing
in Add or Remove Programs for "Microsoft Energy Blue Theme Pack." Each of
the Experience Pack items has a separate installation listing in Add or
Remove Programs.

If it had been on the system before, it is one of the programs listed in the
readme file to uninstall before installing the Experience Pack. Installing
the Crossword Puzzle, Energy Blue Theme, Snipping Tool or Ink Art over the
previous version will cause "issues."


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Mickey Segal

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Apr 12, 2005, 11:56:46 AM4/12/05
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I never installed the Energy Blue Theme before the Experience Pack.

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misfut

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Apr 12, 2005, 2:02:15 PM4/12/05
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Hey Mickey,

I have experienced this problem as well. I was running the trial OneNote
program to see if it would be useful, and if I left ink destop on (not turn
it off and on before and after reboots), sidenote seemed to affect it. I
uninstalled OneNote Trial, and the trouble went away.

I also found, if i turned off ink desktop before shutdown, my Tablet would
reboot fine. Then launch ink desktop with no problem. But, i didn't use
OneNote, and did use Ink Desktop, so one had to go.

I may try OneNote again, who knows what next update will bring, but that did
seem to be my problem. What made me notice was the sidenote tray icon would
not show up until the orange desktop cleared up. That was the only
correlation of programs.

Michael

Mickey Segal

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Apr 12, 2005, 6:02:04 PM4/12/05
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I uninstalled the old Crossword Puzzle, Snipping Tool and Art Rage and then
uninstalled all components of the Experience Pack and reinstalled the
Experience Pack (except for the Energy Blue theme) and I haven't seen the
orange desktop yet despite several re-boots and having Ink Desktop active.

In installing the Experience Pack I did not notice anything about a readme
file warning me that I needed to uninstall anything before installing. If a
warning is there it is not very obvious.

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Chris H.

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Apr 12, 2005, 7:44:12 PM4/12/05
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The warning isn't "obvious," but instead is contained in the readme.htm file
in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Experience Pack. Obviously, we all located
each and every readme file to see what it says before we install anything.
8-) It could have been made more much more apparent.

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Victoria Kruse [MS]

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Apr 12, 2005, 8:00:26 PM4/12/05
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About that orange screen...

The orange screen appears when Ink Desktop is trying to refresh its display.
You'll most often see it right when you boot and occasionally when you
rotate the screen or change your screen resolution. It usually goes away
quickly once Ink Desktop has finished loading, but sometimes you need to
help it along. Hitting F5 (if the desktop has focus) or opening and closing
the docked Input Panel will often do the trick. See the readme for more
information (readme can be opened from Explore the Experience Pack > Home >
Read more about the pack > View the Readme File).

The orange color doesn't have anything to do with your current desktop
settings. And, as far as I know, there's no way to change it to a different
color.

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Mickey Segal

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Apr 12, 2005, 9:48:08 PM4/12/05
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The orange screen is back again. On my current re-boot it was up for 17
seconds, ending when the Ink Desktop icon appeared. Does the duration of
the orange depend on the sequencing of startup items? Sometimes the orange
doesn't appear at all - is there some way to sequence startup items to avoid
seeing the orange? It looks pretty tacky when you are booting up the
computer to show something to someone and the screen turns some electric
color.

Few people will find the help files describing the known issues with the
orange desktop.

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Chris H.

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Apr 12, 2005, 10:01:06 PM4/12/05
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Mickey, I believe we've talked before, but which graphics drivers are you
using? Have you tried reinstalling the latest ones again, and used Safe
Mode for the process, since installing the Experience Pack? I'm just
curious if that might kick the display in the tail for you.

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Mickey Segal

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Apr 13, 2005, 2:48:02 PM4/13/05
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I have Wacom serial pen tablet driver version 5.1.2600.2180. I'm not sure
how to check whether than is current other than trying to update
automatically.

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Chris H.

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Apr 13, 2005, 3:42:17 PM4/13/05
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That's not the graphics driver, Mickey. 8-) In Device Manager, my Wacom
Penabled HID MiniDriver is listed as:
Provider: Wacom
Driver Date: 11/16/2004
Driver Version: 2.3.0.0

I've got a M200 on my lap right now, and for the Display adapter in Device
Manager, it shows:
NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5200 32M/64M
with:
Provider: NVIDIA
Driver Date: 4/15/2004
Driver Version: 4.6.44

Even if you have these showing, you can reinstall those drivers again in
Safe Mode. It won't do any harm. In Safe Mode, only "generic" drivers are
loaded, and the method of installing new (or the same, in case of
corruption) ones has nothing to interfere with the installation (including
no AV program running).


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Mickey Segal

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Apr 13, 2005, 5:08:34 PM4/13/05
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I have Intel 82852/82855 GM/GME Graphics Controller
Driver Date: 4/15/2003
Driver version 6.13.10.3510


Chris H.

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Apr 13, 2005, 5:33:17 PM4/13/05
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Okay, that's the original for the Motion 1300 (still the only one), although
the 5-27-03 version on Motion's site is listed as 6.13.01.3510. You might
try downloading that one fresh
(www.motioncomputing.com/support/driver_download_1300.asp) and do a
reinstall with the fresh download in Safe Mode.

The 4.82-9a Wacom driver, updated last December, is available for download
here: http://www.wacom.com/tabletpc/driver.cfm .

One of the reasons I recommend reinstalling the newer drivers (or
reinstalling the only available ones) in Safe Mode is that XP SP2 make a
huge amount of changes in the Registry when we updated to that, and not all
drivers reacted properly after coming through the upgrade.


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Mickey Segal

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Apr 13, 2005, 6:39:39 PM4/13/05
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I'm always nervous about fiddling around with drivers and safe mode.

I wonder if something time-dependent in the boot process accounts for the
delay, for example logging into our wireless network.

Another approach is not to use Ink Desktop until Microsoft gets it working
properly. From the various references in the documentation to the orange
screen it is clear they are talking their way around a glitch, but I don't
know enough to know why this was nontrivial to fix.

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Chris H.

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Apr 13, 2005, 6:59:19 PM4/13/05
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Safe Mode is what it implies - safety. What it does is remove unnecessary
items from possibly interfering with the clean installation of the driver.
It gives us the best possible method of installing a new driver. You don't
need to worry about the network being on at all, because you don't need it.
Safe Mode offers whether you want networking or not. Since you don't need
to do anything on the LAN so unless you're getting your file from a
different machine, select Without Networking.

Remember, Windows XP is much different from perhaps one of the Windows 9x
operating systems. In Device Manager, there's Roll Back Driver, which is a
safety net (in addition to System Restore) for moving to a previously good
driver, in case a "beta version" one goes belly up.

Mickey, my thinking is if you haven't tried reinstalling the drivers, you
don't know if there's a bit of corruption in there which might be fixed. If
it doesn't fix the issue, then at least we'll know the drivers are very good
for your system, and there's something else amiss. Then you can go to the
"wait" mode. 8-)


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Ken Schaefer

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Apr 13, 2005, 9:36:29 PM4/13/05
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It has nothing to do with graphics drivers. As Victoria has pointed out,
it's an artifact of using Active Desktop. Whilst your desktop is refreshing,
you will see the orange screen. Once Ink Desktop is fully loaded, the orange
screen will be replaced with your ink notes. How long the orange screen will
be there depends on the performance of your Tablet, and how many other
things happen to be loading.

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Mickey Segal

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Apr 13, 2005, 9:43:15 PM4/13/05
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That is why I was hoping to influence startup order. Sometimes the orange
screen is only there momentarily, possibly due to a different order of
things starting up.

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Chris H.

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I've never seen an orange screen here, Ken, on my Motion 1300, which is one
of the reasons I suggested checking the drivers. But I also reinstalled the
drivers after updating to XP SP2 and the Tablet PC Edition 2005.

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Ken Schaefer

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I'm not entirely sure you can influence this. As I understand Ink Desktop,
it's just a type of Active Desktop (Active Desktop is a bit like setting
your desktop wallpaper), so the initialisation process is part of
initialising your desktop.

Cheers
Ken

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