All services seem to have fired up as normal and there are no entries in the
event
log that would make me think anything was wrong. Exchange server runs on
this server and all email services are working as expected.
Another odd thing is that when I know launch internet explorer and try to go
to a website, it doesn't even appear to be trying to resolve the address.
Please help....and thank you in advance for your help!
If you're not 100% sure, post your ipconfig /all here.
Matt Gibson - GSEC
My hunch is that there is something wrong with active directory. How do
you repair that? Or should I even waste my time with that?
"KSCHARNHORST" <KSCHAR...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:939B6831-720D-43B0...@microsoft.com...
I find it odd that so many are having this development today. The
common thread seems to be Server 2k3 and June 28, 2005.
In the case I'm working on, I'm seeing the hanging on "applying
computer settings". I haven't been patient enough, I suppose, to wait
2-3 hours for the logon.
This is an SQL server, and also printer server. It also is the primary
DNS server for the workstations.
DNS on the workstations is still resolving.
Shares and applications are still accessible.
The print serving is down, though.
I'm curious to see what would happen if I set the date to yesterday via
the BIOS. I'm hoping this is not a time-delayed virus or some such.
I'm on hold with MS business down support as I type this. They
estimate over an hour before I will get to talk to someone--and usually
a critical call is answered much faster.
This makes me think something is seriously wrong with a LOT of systems.
Anyway, I thought I would chime in with a "me too". We've had 2
different customers call us with this issue today, and since shares and
services seem to be working, it's possible that many more are affected
and don't know it yet.
Also FWIW, and IIRC, this server is not running SP1.
Cal McLennan posted a comment in another forum this morning - related to APC
and older versions of powerchute.
In order for PowerChute Business Edition to remain functional, users must
upgrade to any version of 7.x. Due to expiration of the Sun Java Runtime
Environment certificate, versions 6.x of PowerChute Business Edition will
cease to operate normally as of July 27, 2005. Failure to upgrade will
result in PowerChute Business Edition no longer providing monitoring and
graceful shutdown of your system.
<quote from Cal's posting follows>
FYI
Just returned from a client that was having POP collector issues
yesterday - and client had decided to reboot the server in attempt to
clear it (Actual problem is the POP Mail hosting service is currently
down!).
The server would restart, get to logon screen, console logon made but
sits at "applying user settings" for WAY TO LONG. Little appears to
work on workstations in relation to Internet access, etc. Client
interrupted the server logon several times and forced reboots several
times (may be part of the issue's origin?)
Finally rebooted one last time last evening and left the logon process
going overnight - had the server console this AM - but no Internet
access.
Remote connection externally worked but strangely there was no option to
connect/logon to the server in the RWW screen. Workstations were
available to connect to.
Go onsite. TS service would not start. RPC was started. Found 2 APC
services sitting at "Starting" - killed those 2 services and Internet
connection began to work, TS service started on its own.
Thought it may be related to the APC software JAVA certificate timeout -
seen here.
PowerChute Business Edition - Customers Using 6.x Must Upgrade to 7.x
due to Java Runtime Environment expiration
http://nam-en.apc.com/cgi-bin/nam_en.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid
=7202
SO I removed the APC software and rebooted. Reboot AND logon only took
5 minutes now! All Internet activity fine (except POP - of course).
Downloaded and installed new APC sw and all is fine.
Cal
</quote>
"Bob" <B...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CACCD1B9-636B-43C4...@microsoft.com...
I am having the same problem, rebooted server nad taking an age to
start up over 1 hour to get to desktop. Once there cannot access
NEtwork Connections, or Internet Explorer. Can ping okay and use MMC,
very strange and its driving me crazy
Your wild guess was quite accurate in my case. Wish you had posted
this about 4 hours earlier!
Anyway, my quick fix for this was to disable two services:
APC PBE Server
APC PBE Agent
Everything was back to normal. Wierd stuff.
I wouldn't stop at disabling the services, of course. uninstall, restart,
and get the current version for your server.
Cheers,
Jason
"PK" <googl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1122591682.9...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Also...anyone with this problem, contact APC and make them aware so that
they work on the problem together with Microsoft.
It was the MS Business down support that got us running again. I think
the engineer was 1/2 lucky though... He first indicated he thought it
was a DNS issue. I told him this was a DNS server, had been working
fine for months, and was not misconfigured. He first insisted that I
pull the network cord out, force a reboot on the server, and see if it
solved the issue. Of course, mid day, this took out the SQL server,
and even though the exchange server is on a different box, it took away
access to that AND internet because the SQL server was the only DNS
server the workstations were using. :(
And of course that didn't work, so his next idea was immediately to
disable the APC services. I asked him afterwards, why did he
specifically suggest the APC services? He suggested:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=819760
I don't see the connection, but nonetheless, the server was back up. I
came back to this thread when I got home to follow up and post that it
worked, and research why. Your message saved me the trouble. :) ty
> I wouldn't stop at disabling the services, of course. uninstall, restart,
> and get the current version for your server.
Of course... it was after 5pm, most people had left the office, and
with the server up, we'll schedule an upgrade to PowerChute 7.x at a
more convenient time. Since the server basically keeps serving most
functions, there's no telling how many of our clients might be on
version 6.x and just not realize it.
"... and knowing is half the battle..."
I did get an error after reboot:
1)After applying computer settings, At least one of the services or
drivers failed during system startup. Check Event Log.
2)TCP/IP Shell . Access encounted a probblem and needs to close.
3) brsvc01a encounterd a problem and need to close.
Are these related? The internet works still. Anyone see these and if
so what did you do. I upgraded to the 7.x version of the APC software.
Thanks in advance!
I had the customer reboot with extreme prejudice (powerfail), boot into
safe mode, remove the APC software from Add/Remove programs, and all is
well.
Now to clean up the mess and get the new APC software on it.
Yesterday at 7pm I went to a customer to replace a modem for the fax that
was giving some problems, I have used this modem before in all my server
installations and it takes just one reboot to load the drivers.
After rebooting the server, it took forever to login, the same problem
everybody has been reporting, even though I received a notification a while
ago from APC to replace the version of the APC I would never relate this
issue with the APC program update.
I had to take my customer server to my home to work on it overnight and I
was almost ready to wipe it out with a new installation until I found your
message and BINGO, after rebooting in Save Mode I was able to uninstall the
APC program and everything when back to normal.
Once again, this newsgroup ROCKS!!!!!!!!
--
Edhy Rijo
www.progytech.com
Bronx NY
"Jason Miller" <ja...@somnio.nospamplease.ca> wrote in message
news:%230AhfV8...@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
I just stumbled across this. I had restarted a server this morning,
having it to stay in the "applying computer settings" state for several
hours.
After that, the system had no Internet access (proxy) and the VPN's
down.
I did receive some days a ago some warning about APC and now I begin to
place the pieces of the puzzle together. The system's got an APC UPS
connected and that most probably is the problem why the system's so
heavily choking.
Anyways, it's not bad after all as this may lead to a customer saying
farewell to SBS 2003.
There are more problems, like all over sudden after a few days no TCP
stack response anymore (ok, very slow, like 15 minutes before SMTP
hello is given) -- the screen is grey and the mouse pointer moves but
that's it... it seems that SP1 *may* fix this but we're afraid
thesystem will be even more botched then.
Chad Smith
This is a best it forum.
tamas
Chris Goldberg
I experienced this problem as well, at one point I had 600 users down
until I found this post and realised what was causing the issue. Are
any of you considering taking legal action as a result of this?
I feel that had APC tested the app after 27th July 2005 (e.g. rolled
the date forward in their test environment) they would have seen the
problems that their software caused to Servers and tried to make people
more aware of the issue.
As a matter of interest, APC Powerchute failed to uninstall through a TS
session. This left a system in a still unusable condition.
I had to use Safe Mode and a console session.
Geoff Hall
On the statement. You are definelty the smart one. However when no install
has been done by you and the system fails on next reboot has nothing to do
with IT process. It is impossible to know all IT updates in the world unless
one is a genius like you.
"Leythos" wrote:
> In article <1122999793.4...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> sla...@bellsouth.net says...
> > Great answer. Right on the money!
> > I wish that I had this answer last Thursday when I had this problem. We
> > spent 23 hours reloading the SBS 2003 server and migrating all of the
> > users over to the new domain. So is it Sun's fault or American
> > Power/APC's fault???
>
> Well, you could say that it's the application developers fault, but, it
> would, and you're not going to like this, more the installer of SP1's
> fault for not testing the SP against the system before installing it.
> What I mean by that is: When we roll out service packs, we
> install/restore a image of a clients servers (and workstations) and then
> update to the same level, then install the update in question to see
> what the impact is, this means that we find 90% of the problems before
> they impact the users/production systems.
>
> It's not anyone's fault, it's about using a proper methodology when
> working in I.T.
>
> --
>
> spam9...@rrohio.com
> remove 999 in order to email me
>
You remember the Trend issue don't you?
Cost more in Attorneys fees.
Why in the world did you not call PSS? They knew it...we knew it and
were later on in the day swapping emails with them about it.
How about not getting help when you need it, fault?
But you're missing the point. Sure, the issue only shows up on a SP1
applied system, but the actual cause of the software failure is APC's
fault, not Microsoft's SP1 patch.
So even if you had tested the SP1 rollout...the bug wouldn't have shown
up until last wednesday!
--
Steven Vallarian
(who spent two days rebulding a domain because of this "little" bug)
Lessons learned: 1. Read your email, and upgrade before the expiration date.
2. Check forums before trying to blindly tackle the issue.
Ergo...the bigger issue here.
Anyone would have missed it, it's a date-bomb in the program! You're
telling me that your testing plan includes setting the data forward X
number of days / months???
Our SP1 testing plan included testing all installed applications, and
the APC services and application worked fine up until last wednesday
night.
Do you remember the Sharepoint issue.. we had official notification in
the SBS newsgroups when it was a Microsoft issue.
This was APC.
If you are a Microsoft Partner you have business down and support
options... use them.
PSS was supposed to post on Trend issues when Trend's dat file nailed my
server?
This is a bit ridiculous of a request in my opinion. Use the power of
the community but don't expect PSS to be putting out notifications on
the fly for third party software, me thinks.
Looks like we know why now.
Dave
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While it is important to emphasize the use of off-line tests,
that is not pertinent IN THE LEAST in this particular case.
In my case, the APC software had been installed by a previous
IT company, who presumably received the email from APC
indicating that a problem would occur - but not indicating
at all the severity of the problem. In fact, on APC's website
front page right now, their info states no worse impact than
that the APC software will not protect the server.
To date, THE ONLY place that I've found ANY documentation
of the full effects of this bug is on this group. If I were to place
blame (hoo boy, don't want to start another heated argument here)
I'd have to say that Microsoft is to blame for allowing a single service to
effectively bring down the entire server.
Chris
"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks" wrote:
Which had the side effect of keeping 2003 SP1 servers from booting in a
reasonable amount of time.
http://nam-en.apc.com/cgi-bin/nam_en.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=7202
"
In order for PowerChute Business Edition to remain functional, users
must upgrade to any version of 7.x. Due to expiration of the Sun Java
Runtime Environment certificate, versions 6.x of PowerChute Business
Edition will cease to operate normally as of July 27, 2005. Failure to
upgrade will result in PowerChute Business Edition no longer providing
monitoring and graceful shutdown of your system.
"
--
Steven Vallarian
Vincenzo Brienza
Many thanks to you.
Your commnets help me and solve my problem I just reboot system in safe mood
and uninstall powerchut SW (From APC) then it log in to the domain
"Jason Miller" wrote:
> just a very wild 'that sounds like something I've heard before' association:
>
> Cal McLennan posted a comment in another forum this morning - related to APC
> and older versions of powerchute.
>
> http://nam-en.apc.com/cgi-bin/nam_en.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=Mz1ivCLh&p_lva=2998&p_faqid=7202&p_created=1119891241&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTEmcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD09NzIwMiZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPTMmcF9wcm9kX2x2bDE9fmFueX4mcF9wcm9kX2x2bDI9fmFueX4mcF9wYWdlPTE*&p_li=
> x
>
> In order for PowerChute Business Edition to remain functional, users must
> upgrade to any version of 7.x. Due to expiration of the Sun Java Runtime
> Environment certificate, versions 6.x of PowerChute Business Edition will
> cease to operate normally as of July 27, 2005. Failure to upgrade will
> result in PowerChute Business Edition no longer providing monitoring and
> graceful shutdown of your system.
>
>
> <quote from Cal's posting follows>
>
> FYI
>
> Just returned from a client that was having POP collector issues
> yesterday - and client had decided to reboot the server in attempt to
> clear it (Actual problem is the POP Mail hosting service is currently
> down!).
>
> The server would restart, get to logon screen, console logon made but
> sits at "applying user settings" for WAY TO LONG. Little appears to
> work on workstations in relation to Internet access, etc. Client
> interrupted the server logon several times and forced reboots several
> times (may be part of the issue's origin?)
>
> Finally rebooted one last time last evening and left the logon process
> going overnight - had the server console this AM - but no Internet
> access.
>
> Remote connection externally worked but strangely there was no option to
> connect/logon to the server in the RWW screen. Workstations were
> available to connect to.
>
> Go onsite. TS service would not start. RPC was started. Found 2 APC
> services sitting at "Starting" - killed those 2 services and Internet
> connection began to work, TS service started on its own.
>
> Thought it may be related to the APC software JAVA certificate timeout -
> seen here.
>
> PowerChute Business Edition - Customers Using 6.x Must Upgrade to 7.x
> due to Java Runtime Environment expiration
> http://nam-en.apc.com/cgi-bin/nam_en.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid
> =7202
>
> SO I removed the APC software and rebooted. Reboot AND logon only took
> 5 minutes now! All Internet activity fine (except POP - of course).
>
> Downloaded and installed new APC sw and all is fine.
>
> Cal
>
> </quote>
>
>
> "Bob" <B...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:CACCD1B9-636B-43C4...@microsoft.com...
> > Just thought I'd join in, I have the exactly the same problem here. SBS
> > 2003
> > rebooted as I was leaving work, now after an hour I finally have remote
> > control from home. In common with others here the server appears to be
> > working and the Health Monitor reports OK across the board. But I cannot
> > stop/restart any service - they just hang. I had enabled w32time before my
> > reboot, though that doesn't look like it was the cause.
> > I can ping out from the server and have got name resolution from the
> > command
> > line, but IE is dead in the water., dns appears ok, nothing bad in the
> > event
> > logs...getting futher out of my depth here...
> >
> > "Richard" wrote:
> >
> >> I'm having the same (or similar) problem here. SBS 2003 SP1 & 6 Windows
> >> XP
> >> Pro workstations. I shut down the server last night to avoid a lightning
> >> storm. Didn't change anything. Everything worked fine before. Started
> >> back up and it hung at "applying computer settings" for hours. Limited
> >> response after finally starting. Workstations can't access server, can't
> >> use outlook, & can't even ping the server. However, server can ping the
> >> workstations. Selected network connections & hour glass hung. Unable
> >> to
> >> select anything else. Had to shut down via power switch. Same thing
> >> when
> >> starting again. Tried starting in safe mode and disabled exchange
> >> services.
> >> On restart it still hangs the same only a little more responsive after
> >> starting. System hangs eventually. Workstations still can't access
> >> server
> >> for files. Hung again while attempting normal start. Currently trying
> >> restore to a another nearly identical box from last weeks backup. Never
> >> seen one like this before. Anybody have a solution out there?
> >>
> >> "KSCHARNHORST" <KSCHAR...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:939B6831-720D-43B0...@microsoft.com...
> >> > After rebooting a server that has just 5 clients connected to it, the
> >> > server
> >> > came up,
> >> > quickly did preparing network connections and then hung at applying
> >> > computer
> >> > settings for over 2 hours. Then when presented with the ctrl+alt+del,
> >> > I
> >> > log
> >> > in and
> >> > it did applying computer settings again for another 30 min.
> >> >
> >> > All services seem to have fired up as normal and there are no entries
> >> > in
> >> > the
> >> > event
> >> > log that would make me think anything was wrong. Exchange server runs
> >> > on
> >> > this server and all email services are working as expected.
> >> >
> >> > Another odd thing is that when I know launch internet explorer and try
> >> > to
> >> > go
> >> > to a website, it doesn't even appear to be trying to resolve the
> >> > address.
> >> >
> >> > Please help....and thank you in advance for your help!
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
Where in the world is it Microsoft's fault for APC and JAVA for heavens
sake?
APC is the one the wrote the crappy app ...
theanswerinc wrote:
--
An open letter to the Security Community::
http://msmvps.com/bradley/archive/2004/12/12/23540.aspx
Windows 2k3 takes about 2 hours to get past "applying computer
settings..."
* start/stop services do not work. just says stopping forever if i
try to stop one.
* internet does not work.
Pretty much same symptoms as everyone else on the form.. The DNS is
set up correctly and the server has worked perfect just a few days ago.
No changes were made.
This server is set up for our faxes and uses 'RightFax software"
this software has been on our server for months and works great.
Any new issuse like this come up that are NOT APC related?
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