WINDOWS SBS 2003 - T73-00494
Colin A
Got a bit of an odd one here...
I asked a friend of mine to get hold of a copy of SBS 2003 for me...., as I
needed it for a new install on a brand new HP ML310 server...
He has sent me a genuine copy of MS Windows Server 2003 for Small Business
Server... The pack includes a MS install CD and a SP1 upgrade CD....? The
part number on the case is T73-00494....
I'm a bit lost here as in the past every SBS install I have done includes 6
CD's and goes through the install of Exchange etc....
This didn't ask me any of that....., and was only 1 CD...?
I've checked the part number on Google and it comes back as SBS 2003....???
This doesn't look right to me...., can any one tell me exactly what I have
here as I've never come across it before....
Thanks in advance...
Charlie Russel - MVP
product that exists for reasons known to _someone_ at MS, but not to anyone
else. It isn't what you wanted. :(
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"Colin A" <nor...@thisaddress.com> wrote in message
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SuperGumby [SBS MVP]
If it is in fact one CD (rather than DVD, and normally you get 6*CDs+DVD) he
_may_ have purchased a _license_ for SBS2003 but given you a media set of
'Windows Server for Small Business', otherwise known as 'Fresno, our poor
cousin'. Fresno is just the OS portion of SBS, similar limits but no
Exchange, etc... and much less in cost.
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Colin A
It's odd that they should even make the product..???. It looks like a copy
of Windows 2003 Server to me, but when you look at the id of the product it
says it is Windows 2003 Server for Small Business Server...
On the front of the CD case it says, Maximum of 15 Client Access
Licences..., so that would not be a problem for me, as it will be used at
home for a max of 3 users, but
I wonder if it could run as a Terminal Server...?, I know you cant do that
with the "proper" version of SBS, but would this be able to do it...., as
it's not really SBS...?
Regards
Colin A
number was in the box... It is a CD not a DVD (which crossed my mind too...)
There is nothing else on the CD except a version of SBS that looks like Win
Server 2003....
It's odd that there are so many people/dealers selling it... I Google'd it
and you'd think that if the product was useless, why are there so many
copies out there...?
Who would be using the product...?, it's not SBS and it's not Win
2003.....????
Very odd!!!
"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <n...@your.nellie> wrote in message
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Charlie Russel - MVP
want it. It's NOT SBS, but has all the limitations of SBS.
"Colin A" <nor...@thisaddress.com> wrote in message
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Colin A
I contacted the chap I brought this from....
We did the transaction via Paypal...
I said to him that this is not SBS 2003....?, he said to me "the CD says SBS
2003 on the cover, that's what you ordered and that's what you got..!"...
He's not prepared to take it back as it is now opened....!!!, so I'm $600
down on the deal....
Now if I made a claim against him on Paypal, I wouldn't have a leg to stand
on, as the chap is right... I ordered SBS 2003 and that is what I have
got...!!, it says it on the CD, it was genuine and untampered with...., it's
just not the 6 CD version of SBS we all know and love....
This one sits squarly at Microsoft's door as they state it is MS SBS
2003...., but we know it's not.... It doesn't have any of the features SBS
has, no Exchage etc...
There are thousands of copies of this product for sale on the web and any
one who buys it falls into the same trap I have...., and it seems to me your
are going to lose your money....
Great!!!
SuperGumby [SBS MVP]
I take it you're talking USBucks. Retail pricing for 'Windows Server 2003
for Small Business' (or whatever it's called, I don't think I've ever
actually seen the product. Got a scanner? CD and packaging please. mickm at
mickmalloy dot dyndns dot org) is not the same as SBS2003.
The CD DOES NOT say SBS2003. He has falsely advertised.
Bend him over and tell him to grab the soap. Fact is he probably knows of
the confusion because he purchased the wrong product himself, and is now
trying to offload it.
"Colin A" <nor...@thisaddress.com> wrote in message
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SuperGumby [SBS MVP]
and specified product, for full refund, while mentioning 'OK, I'm gonna make
a claim against PayPal. I believe this was advertised incorrectly.'. Give
the guy an 'out', it could be a simple mistake.
"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <n...@your.nellie> wrote in message
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Les Connor [SBS MVP]
Business Server? If that's what was advertised, sold, and purchased, then
there's no mistake on the sellers part - regardless of what the agreed upon
price was.
T72-01411 is the part number for Win 2003 SBS Standard. If that's what was
advertised, and T73-00494 was provided, then the seller *has* made an error
and recourse is possible.
So either the seller, or the purchaser, have made a mistake.
It wouldn't be hard to blame neither seller or purchaser - let's blame MS -
as they love to confuse us with similarly named products that are totally
different.
In the end though, it has to be buyer beware if you're purchasing software
in this manner.
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Les Connor [SBS MVP]
"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <n...@your.nellie> wrote in message
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Les Connor [SBS MVP]
But first, notice the difference in product names.
Microsoft Windows Server 2003 for Small Business Server (the one we get when
we make a mistake)
Microsoft Windows Small Business Server 2003 (the one we know and love)
In legal terms, that makes each a different product, and in practical terms,
they are different products.
The similarity in naming, and the reference to something being 'legal',
might be a clue towards a reason. Like, where Windows Server 2003 costs $x,
how can SBS, which includes WS 2003 *plus_a_bunch* cost less than plain WS
2k3? That's legal fodder - asking for trouble - and we know how folks like
to sue MS. And so, MS WS 2003 for Small Business Server might have been
invented to prove that SBS isn't built on WS 2k3, therefore the price
difference is justified. So, if SBS is built on MS WS 2k3 FSBS, then that
must be a product, and a product must have a SKU, and if there's an SKU
there must be a product, and eventually someone is going to offer that SKU
and that product for sale because that's what you do with products. If
you're confused, then the lawyers have done their job well ;-).
Or, the reason might be that it's a SKU for *really* small <minded> business
customers, want a server OS, but who don't want the features of SBS, and who
don't want to pay for WS 2003, and will never need more than 15 CALs, or
another server to co-exist with this one.
In any event, do be careful out there - there are a ton of unscrupulous
vendors hawking the SKU because they see an opportunity to exploit the
naming similarities.
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Les Connor [SBS MVP]
"Charlie Russel - MVP" <cha...@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
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Russ (SBITS.Biz)
The Images and Logos can all be imated
However the Product T73-00494 Is just what you got,
Windows Server 2003 for Small Business SP/1
Unless the ad says something else
and they are charging WAY more than it's worth, I don't know what you can do?
Yes I agree they should NOT be selling this POS as far as I'm concerned.
(Maybe this is why some people hate SBS?)
Anyway I suggest you find a Microsoft Certified Specialist as a consultant.
Or just ask here.
To find a Local SBS specialists go here.
http://www.microsoft.com/smallbusiness/partner/vendorsearch.mspx
I personally only Order Software from Ingram Micro so I know it's 100% legit and what I want.
I don't know if I can do anything about what you bought.
(Depending on where you are located? if in North America Maybe?)
If you do need another Copy I will be willing to sell you it for my cost/shipping direct from MS.
You have to be in North America I can't ship out side Continent. (Price Varies but I order from Ingram Micro)
And this would be Guarentee what you need. And lower than the quotes below.
| Product | Retail License Final/Full Packaged Product (FPP) | Open New License | Open New License with Software Assurance |
|
Windows Small Business Server 2003 R2 Standard Edition |
$599 with 5 client access licenses (CALs) T72-01411 |
$521 with 5 CALs
|
$781 with 5 CALs
|
|
Windows Small Business Server 2003 R2 Premium Edition |
$1,299 with 5 CALs
|
$1,128 with 5 CALs
|
$1,692 with 5 CALs
|
|
5-pack CALs |
$489 |
$460 |
$690 |
|
20-pack CALs |
$1,929 |
$1,841 |
$2,761 |
Anyway, Contact me if you need one, I have to call Ingram Micro Monday anyway got to order 30 more Trend Licenses.
Russ Grover
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Russell Grover
Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
North America Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
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"Colin A" <nor...@thisaddress.com> wrote in message news:%23ZyyHsH...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
SuperGumby [SBS MVP]
seller that they adjust their webpage advertising this product, and for them
to authorise full refund.
Colin carries some degree of fault. The package clearly states 'Maximum 15
Client Access Licenses (CALs); 5 included' on the front of the CD case. This
should have set an alarm bell, SBS2003 is limited to 75 CALs.
MS are the main 'culprit'. The _idiocy_ of not only producing this product
but effectively naming in such similar manner to SBS2003 has been pointed
out to them on numerous occassions.
This post was written before other replies or some other 'more direct'
queries were sent to me. It has been sitting onscreen waiting for Colin's
link to the seller's webpage.
Thankfully, I can't find an AU price for 'Fresno', either that or I am
suffering from the same misdirection as Colin. Seems to me that Colin has
paid a reasonable price for SBS, but been given 'Fresno'.
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Les Connor [SBS MVP]
http://www.microsoft.com/vietnam/licensing/pricing/default.aspx
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"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <n...@your.nellie> wrote in message
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Eugene Tan
Just jumping in here wrt rescinding the deal.
This really depends on the specifics/particulars of what was transacted
meaning your conversation/email to and from the seller. Also the terms
of Paypal.
Genearlly, if you asked for SBS2003, and he says ok he has SBS2003,
but gives you that confusing part number, you have stronger ground.
Esp. if the offered price is very close price of SBS2003.
This is because there was no meeting of minds, so was never an agreement.
Something in Paypal gives you leeway here?
It's a disadvantage that you've opened the package, worse if you've
activated.
Since Microsoft did help confuse all of us by making this available in the
broad market your options may be to attempt to rescind, then get the seller
to support your claim to Microsoft for the correct product - original
receipts
needed. You may be slightly poorer for shipping and handling fees but I
believe
given sufficient documentation and time, you'll be able to right the
product.
Contact your local Microsoft consumer support if you've received the retail
package, which looks like you did.
HTH,
Eugene Tan
SBS MVP
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"Colin A" <nor...@thisaddress.com> wrote in message
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Colin A
It is very confusing...
The software clearly is nothing whatsoever to do with SBS2003 as we all know
it...., and the name "MICROSOFT WINDOWS SERVER 2003 FOR SMALL BUSINESS
SERVER" does lead you on to the punch...., very misleading from Microsoft...
Having said that the back cover says "For More information, visit
www.microsoft.co./sbs". So on the one hand we do not have SBS here, but on
the other Microsoft are pointing you to thier SBS site!...
Ironically, I was just looking at my Paypal receipt for this item and in the
notes section I asked ;
"Hi, just to confirm... This is SBS 2003 (with SP1), inc 5 Cals, + CD's..?.
Hope that is correct... Colin"....
To which he replied via an email -
"hi, yes, all correct, microsoft part # T73-00494, complete sealed
package,i'll get it in the post asap by special delivery(next day by 1pm)
i'll email you to let you know when it's posted, many thanks."
I've opened the plastic outer wrapper but not installed or activated the
software... It is a 100% legal copy, so at least it's genuine...
I don't know if I have any come back here... I know when you fight things
via Paypal it his very hard to win..., and they are never on your side when
there are grey areas..
I need my arse kicking for not checking things better and looking to trade
with proper official dealers...
kj [SBS MVP]
> I think I have to take this one on the chin here....
>
"Caveat emptor"
Advertising the correct part number but a confusing description probably
isn't going to help your case.
Then again the seller might have got stuck with it the exact same way.
...of course your local laws may effect your recourse options greatly. blah,
blah, blah.
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/kj
Gregg Hill
statement that it was SBS 2003, then if he fails to refund, leave bad
feedback and warn others not to deal with this seller. Then hit up ebay and
PayPal to get your money back.
Gregg Hill
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