Vista Media Center will not allow me to set up TV tuner
dpic
software, but when I try to setup Media Center under Vista it will not allow
me to set up the card. I have the card connected via the composite
connections of the 650 card. During set-up I get to the place where I get an
message that "IR Hardware not detected" and the installation will no longer
continue. I can see a picture in the set-up window. But the setup program
will not let continue past this point. I have tried different setup
configurations, but none allow me to use the composite connection from the
ATI card without having the "IR hardware."
Any help would greatly appreciated.
Jaime
You need to have the IR receiver/Blaster devices plugged in so Media Center
can control your Set Top Box (STB) whether that STB is for a satellite
system or cable. Without the IR hardware, you would not be able to do
unattended recording.
The fix is to get a MCE remote/receiver combo or use analog cable where the
tuner card is directly controlling the channels.
--
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dpic
Thanks for the response, Jaime. I use the remote that came with the sat
receiver, so I don't need the IR Blaster. For unattended recording I merely
set my channel and use the composite input for recording. This is the way it
worked under Xp with ATI software. I simply don't need anymore hardware.
The card works fine as it--except for the fact Media Center will not allow me
to set up the card. It's just that ATI software isn't ready for Vista yet,
and I need to use Media Center.
I don't understand why Media Center is requiring hardware that isn't
required for the TV to work properly;.
Jason Tsang
Media Center needs to be able to control the set top box. The whole premise
behind it is that it will do all the channel changing for you (i.e.
unattended).
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Jaime
you're away?
You might be able to borrow a receiver from someone (with Media Center), do
the setup, then unplug it. Not sure if it would squawk the first time you
start it without the receiver plugged in.
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dpic
"Jason Tsang" wrote:
> Unfortunately, that's not how it works in Media Center.
>
> Media Center needs to be able to control the set top box. The whole premise
> behind it is that it will do all the channel changing for you (i.e.
> unattended).
>
>
> --
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>
Thanks for the response, Jason. The problem I have is the hardware
requirements from Microsoft to run Vista Home Premium:
"Home Premium / Ultimate
TV tuner card required for TV functionality (compatible remote control
optional)."
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/systemrequirements.mspx
No where does it state I need IR hardware. This is very disappointing. I
feel mislead. I bought a new tuner card for Vista, yet it does not work even
though I have all the required components listed by Microsoft. I have the TV
Tuner card, but the app will not work
Jason Tsang
the remote/receiver/ir blasters, why not just do it right in the first
place.
This way, the computer does it all, and you're not a slave to sitting in
front of the tv all day setting up recordings to record.
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Noozer
"Jason Tsang" <jason-o...@ETEmvps.org> wrote in message
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> That's sorta a half-baked solution though. Given the relative low cost of
> the remote/receiver/ir blasters, why not just do it right in the first
> place.
Why doesn't MCE support VIDEO IN like 99% of the consumer devices out there?
Or how about VIDEO PASSTHROUGH so we can use our game consoles, etc. without
lag.
Tom Scales
Why pay $500 for a computer and be forced to manually change the channel?
Doesn't make sense to me.
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dpic
needed a TV tuner card--not other hardware. I have met the MCE requirements
stated by Microsoft to run Media Center. Even the Vista hardware
compatibility adviser said nothing about needing IR Blasters. Now, I'm told
I can't run the app without more hardware.
This is very frustrating. The first time I knew I had an issue was when I
tried to set-up MCE for the first time and got the "IR hardware not
detected." There was no other information to guide me to what I needed to
do. Since I met all the stated requirements to run Vista I had no idea what
the problem was. I've been searching the internet for a couple of days now
and this is the first place I've found with any answers. Even Knowledge Base
was useless about "IR hardware not detected."
I simply don't understand why I can't run Media Center without IR hardware.
Your position seems to be because I won't have all the cool benefits. Alas,
I don't have any of the benefits, now.
Jaime
$$$ Vista Media Center was too much, so I offered it :o)
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Doug Knox - [MS-MVP]
control it. The IR receiver/blaster is how this is done. Otherwise, you
will have no way to tell the set top box to change channels for scheduled
recordings. Now, if you want to make sure you get up at 3:28 AM to go
downstairs and change the channel, that's up to you.
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Richard Miller
$35.00 US thats all it is new buy it.
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Jaime
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/mediacenter/tvandmovies.mspx
I does state: " ...If you have a set-top box, Windows Media Center walks you
through the steps to set it up, including tweaking the infrared (IR) blaster
that controls your set-top box."
But you are right, it is vague, probably because Media Center used to only
come as a pre-install (and MS assumed the PC maker would include the remote)
or as an OEM version (again, it was assume the builder knew what was
needed). Now that the MC features are in a retail version, a MCE Remote Kit
probably should be listed as a requirement if using a Set Top Box and not a
direct analog connection.
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Angelfood MacSpade
accurate, Microsoft should also state that only their particular "IR
Hardware" is going to work with Vista Ultimate. Perhaps something else
will work but I know that my otherwise very capable USB_UIRT is
useless for WMC.
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:55:04 -0500, "Jaime" <jaim...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
dpic
at the computer. I have an IR remote for my Sat. receiver that I can change
channels with, so I don't have to go to another room to change channels. So,
Doug--thanks for responding, but I have a way on controlling a set-top box.
Also, I seldom record. When I do, I set the channel and leave the computer.
It does its thing. I'm happy.
Next, I have no idea of exactly what "IR hardware" I need. It is not listed
when Vista refuses to setup my TV card. Do I need a remote with an IR
receiver? I've read about blasters--do I need Microsoft blasters? Where is
it listed exactly what type of hardware I really need to run Media Center?
Lastly, the TV card works fine. I can see it in the preview window when
setting it with Media Center--until Media Center refuses to continue. I
have all the hardware "I" need. I have all the hardware "the computer"
needs. I don't have the hardware Media Center thinks I need.
Nigel Barker
Your TV card will work perfectly well via RF without the need for a IR receiver
& remote. Assuming that your satellite STB has an RF out (mine does). In setup
just tell MCE that you are using Antenna & let it find the one channel that the
STB is outputting on
To be honest though I agree with all the others who are telling you to buy the
Microsoft MCE remote control, IR receiver & IR bugs. It comes as a complete kit
& is all you need. It is also cheap.
Actually if all you want is to watch TV on your computer why do you even bother
with MCE. One of the simple TV programs that comes with the TV card (Hauppauge,
ATI or whatever) will do the job for you.
--
Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur
MCE MVP
Noozer
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Or simply get a 13" TV
dpic
get a 13" tv, but I don't want a 13' tv (please cross post this answer on the
13" tv forum). I want the equipment I have to right correctly. I just
received my ATI remote with an IR receiver. It doesn't work.
Noozer
The equipment you have works correctly.
With what you have, you can use TV fine - ANALOG TV, without a cable box or
satellite decoder, etc.
If you want MCE to use an external box to tune, then it needs control of
that box.
Why not use the ATI program that you got with the tuner in the first place?
AllanF
met the specified system requirements but, even so, the Thing just won't
work as described in the Documentation... sounds reasonable and logical, but
usually falls on deaf ears... taking a principled stand seldom achieves a
happy outcome... assert your Basic Rights to a Refund... no questions asked!
These days, a lot of Documentation is so shallow as to verge on the
misleading.
Don't throw good money after bad, to try and get over this first hurdle.
There are plenty more hurdles around the corner....
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J. Clarke
> Yes, the true hardware requirements should have been listed. To be
> accurate, Microsoft should also state that only their particular "IR
> Hardware" is going to work with Vista Ultimate. Perhaps something else
> will work but I know that my otherwise very capable USB_UIRT is
> useless for WMC.
The key is "compatible remote". Any remote that is logo certified
should have support for (IIRC) two IR transmitters built into the same
box as its receiver.
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:55:04 -0500, "Jaime" <jaim...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On this page
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/mediacenter/tvandmovies.mspx
>>
>> I does state: " ...If you have a set-top box, Windows Media Center
>> walks you through the steps to set it up, including tweaking the
>> infrared (IR) blaster that controls your set-top box."
>>
>> But you are right, it is vague, probably because Media Center used
>> to only come as a pre-install (and MS assumed the PC maker would
>> include the remote) or as an OEM version (again, it was assume the
>> builder knew what was needed). Now that the MC features are in a
>> retail version, a MCE Remote Kit probably should be listed as a
>> requirement if using a Set Top Box and not a direct analog
>> connection.
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J. Clarke
> I think many of you missed the point. I merely want to watch TV
> while I work at the computer. I have an IR remote for my Sat.
> receiver that I can change channels with, so I don't have to go to
> another room to change channels. So, Doug--thanks for responding,
> but I have a way on controlling a set-top box. Also, I seldom record.
> When I do, I set the channel and leave the computer. It does its
> thing. I'm happy.
>
> Next, I have no idea of exactly what "IR hardware" I need. It is not
> listed when Vista refuses to setup my TV card. Do I need a remote
> with an IR receiver? I've read about blasters--do I need Microsoft
> blasters? Where is it listed exactly what type of hardware I really
> need to run Media Center?
This is the device you need.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16880100851
There's a new version of it due out shortly--doesn't do anything
different that I'm aware of but some people think it looks better.
Other MCE/Vista logo (note that word "logo"--means that they are marked
on the box with the MCE or Vista logo and don't just say in fine print
that they are compatible) remotes should be fine, but I think that
Microsoft's is the only one you can find easily as a separate product
for a reasonable price. Phillips used to have them available--was the
same remote as Microsoft's IIRC--but that appears to no longer be the
case. Gyration has one available for about $150 but I'm not clear on
what it does that the Microsoft doesn't other than look prettier and
work through walls.
There are more coming, some with other features, such as the one at
http://www.ricavision.net/ (warning, godawful huge Flash site), but not
cheap.
ATI seems to be suffering from "Not Invented Here" with regard to
remotes--instead of bundling an MCE compatible remote with their tuners
like Hauppauge does, they expect you to get your own.
The infrared transmitters are bundled with the remote--it includes two
of them, that plug into connectors in the receiver.
This is necessary though only if you want to use the S-video or
composite inputs on the board.
It would be nice if they had included a facility "play whatever is
coming over the s-video or composite without regard to tuning" but they
didn't and the system has to at least _think_ that it is capable of
tuning the source.
The alternative, as someone else pointed out, is to use the RF input.
>
> Lastly, the TV card works fine. I can see it in the preview window
> when setting it with Media Center--until Media Center refuses to
> continue. I have all the hardware "I" need. I have all the hardware
> "the computer" needs. I don't have the hardware Media Center thinks
> I need.
--
H@discussions.microsoft.com Rick H
Rick H
getting the same response. It will not allow me to set the card up even with
the appropriate IR hardware installed. I can see the input for the TV during
the setup but when I get to the IR hardware check it fails. At that point I
can not continue with the TV tuner setup. I have the correct IR hardware
installed and tested to control the set top box but Media Center does not
recognize it. It definitely is a Media Center problem. I am running Ultimate.
Rick H
problem. I am trying to run Ultimate with a Hauppagge 1600 TV tuner card and
I meet all of the hardware reqs of Vista.
Rick H
time trying to fix it. I could find no information on this problem anyway as
well. Once again I do not have an ATI card, I have a Hauppagge card so I
figure it is a Vista Media Center problem.
J. Clarke
> I thought I was the onlyl one having this problem and I have spent
> quite some time trying to fix it. I could find no information on this
> problem anyway as well. Once again I do not have an ATI card, I have
> a Hauppagge card so I figure it is a Vista Media Center problem.
Has nothing to do with the brand of board you have.
Happauge makes for most of their tuner boards several packages. One of
them is "MCE Kit" (different from "MCE" without the "kit" part) that
includes a Media Center remote.
> "dpic" wrote:
>
>> Again, Jason, I purchased Vista Home Premium with the idea that I
>> only needed a TV tuner card--not other hardware. I have met the MCE
>> requirements stated by Microsoft to run Media Center. Even the
>> Vista hardware compatibility adviser said nothing about needing IR
>> Blasters. Now, I'm told I can't run the app without more hardware.
>>
>> This is very frustrating. The first time I knew I had an issue was
>> when I tried to set-up MCE for the first time and got the "IR
>> hardware not detected." There was no other information to guide me
>> to what I needed to do. Since I met all the stated requirements to
>> run Vista I had no idea what the problem was. I've been searching
>> the internet for a couple of days now and this is the first place
>> I've found with any answers. Even Knowledge Base was useless about
>> "IR hardware not detected."
>>
>> I simply don't understand why I can't run Media Center without IR
>> hardware. Your position seems to be because I won't have all the
>> cool benefits. Alas, I don't have any of the benefits, now.
--
J. Clarke
> I have the correct IR hardware configured and I am experiencing the
> same problem. I am trying to run Ultimate with a Hauppagge 1600 TV
> tuner card and I meet all of the hardware reqs of Vista.
From the Hauppauge site:
"Note: the enclosed remote control is not MCE certified and does not
replace Media Center remote control."
--
J. Clarke
> It's not just an ATI problem. I have a Hauppagge 1600 TV tuner card
> and I am getting the same response. It will not allow me to set the
> card up even with the appropriate IR hardware installed. I can see
> the input for the TV during the setup but when I get to the IR
> hardware check it fails. At that point I can not continue with the TV
> tuner setup. I have the correct IR hardware installed and tested to
> control the set top box but Media Center does not recognize it. It
> definitely is a Media Center problem. I am running Ultimate.
When you say "correct IR hardware" do you mean that you have a Microsoft
brand IR remote control or other that is MCE certified? The one that
comes with the 1600 is not.
> "dpic" wrote:
>
>> I have a ATI TV Wonder 650 pci card. The card worked fine with Xp
>> with ATI's software, but when I try to setup Media Center under
>> Vista it will not allow me to set up the card. I have the card
>> connected via the composite connections of the 650 card. During
>> set-up I get to the place where I get an message that "IR Hardware
>> not detected" and the installation will no longer continue. I can
>> see a picture in the set-up window. But the setup program will not
>> let continue past this point. I have tried different setup
>> configurations, but none allow me to use the composite connection
>> from the ATI card without having the "IR hardware."
>>
>> Any help would greatly appreciated.
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gubus
and the receiver remote works just fine. The thing is the MC set-up might be
great for the recording issue, but i don't record shows. I just want to watch
TV on the computer while I work (yes, I can do both!). I just want to choose
the S-Video connection, but alas I can't. MS, in their infinite wisdom, has
decided I have to do it their way, and make me pay them to do it. What's the
harm in letting me choose my input? Why should MS care? It's my my computer,
my satellite subscription...I just want to watch TV...
Daniel C.
gubus
away money to you apparently, but not for me. I don't care about recording,
just watching. I just want to use my S-Video input for the picture quality.
The remote should be an option, not forced on me for additional cost the is
meaningful to me. I would never use it. Don't need it. I simply want to view
TV...
Daniel C.
gubus
set-up might be great for the recording issue, but i don't record shows. I
just want to watch TV on the computer while I work (yes, I can do both!). I
just want to choose the S-Video connection, but alas I can't. MS, in their
infinite wisdom, has decided I have to do it their way, and make me pay them
to do it. What's the harm in letting me choose my input? Why should MS care?
It's my my computer, my satellite subscription...I just want to watch TV...
Daniel C.
Doug Knox - [MS-MVP]
any other PVR, the R stands for Recording and I can only assume they thought
the majority of purchasers would use it for that functionality. I'm
seriously suprised that the OEM's don't include the remote/receiver in any
MCE capable package, even if you don't order the tuner.
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receiver doesn't accomdate emitters, you'll need to purchase a different
one. Any time you tell MCE you're using anything other than a straight
aerial or "basic" cable connection, it will assume you're using a set-top
box and insist on having the IR emitters connected.
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>I have the basic same problem. I posted in detail about it at TechArena
> Community http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=713243
>
> "Just got an Alienwarem5700I-R2 laptop. Vista Ultimate with Windows Media
> Center. All I want to do is dub VHS tapes and the like from a VCR deck via
> composite video into the AVerMedia AVerTV USB MCE via USB into the laptop
> to
> edit down in Adobe Premiere. Everything works on setup in MC until it
> tries
> to detect IR Hardware.
>
> If I set it up manually and skip that then it won't let me view the
> composite feed coming in (or at least I haven't figured out how to do it).
> When I go through the manual setup and I get to the part to select where I
> see video in the preview window I can see the video playing in it. But the
> next step is the IR Hardware detection.
>
> I don't care about viewing or switching channels.
>
> Any ideas? "
007craft
Microsoft needs to patch their software. Im in a simlar situation.
Basically, I bought windows vista and love to record my tv shows
through the direct cable input. However, I also like to record my xbox
360 to make videos of me playing. On xp, I simply used 3rd party
software and connected the 360 via composite. I find in vista
EVERYTHING is incompatible and nothing works, except media center of
course. I go to the guide and I see channels 2-120, which are my tv
channels, but I cannot see channel "0" or something which is my s-video
input. So I go to manually add it as a second tuner. The preview box
pops up and bam, I can see my xbox 360. As I click next, it does not
allow me to continue because I dont have IR hardware. WTF is this? I
just want to use media center to simply record into mpeg 2 my xbox
gaming. I will never change channel as I have a stationary feed
running through the s-video. No need for an IR hardware. Microsoft
needs to include a "skip step" option.
And I dont want to replace my current guide and tv set-up. I only want
to add the ability to change to another tuner input like I would with a
channel (how every other program does it). I tried windvr, power vcr,
wintv2000, sagetv. NOTHING works with vista. Something must be done.
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I just tried ByondTV and its wizard also asks for IR hardware. It does
however let you continue even if you dont have any. I managed to get
the program working to record my xbox. Its a shame I cannot with media
center
Bleus
This is a totally rediculous restriction.
Even if those at MS have extremely strong feelings about the IR
interface (as it appears, against all reason, that they do), -surely-
it is _obvious_ that IR control of an STB is -COMPLETELY- superfluous
to the -critical functions- of MCE, especially now that it's widely
available in Vista (as opposed to as only an OEM "appliance" as was the
case with XP-MCE).
I have an Hauppauge WINTV-PVR150 with the IR Blaster and it appears
that I'm unable to use MediaCenter even in -this- configuration. I am
inputting audio and video from my HD satellite receiver and have no
desire at all for MCE to manage the box. Even for unattended recording
the STB supports timed-channel changes with its own software.
-*_Jason_*: IR control might be a *nice OPTION*, but it is
_absolutely_*NOT*_critical_to_MCE's_functionality_!! As such, there's
*NO WAY* that correctly setting up MCE should be prevented because of
it!!! If there's any way at all to do so, please help us get this
glaringly absurd and completely senseless oversight fixed!-
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Gary Tsang
timed-channel changes with its own software.", Media Center can't count on
that to happen all the time.
That's why Media Center itself needs to control the channel changing (via
the IR receiver/emitter).
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Gary Tsang
will control a tv tuner that can directly receive (as an example) hdtv
cable, digital cable, satellite etc).
However, until that becomes a reality, there is no other way for the
computer to control the input channel if you use a set top box, unless you
use the IR Receiver/Emitter.
Like it or not, that's the way it's been designed, for the COMPUTER to
control the channel changing ('you' can't be there at all times to change
the channel manually... surely you don't want to be a slave to the tv)
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>
Bleus
> Media Center can't count on that to happen all the time.
some point the user bears responsibility for his/her own actions. If the
MCE PC can change the channels when it wants, then great! -- but if it
can't, so what? Let the user deal with that, but at least let them use
the remaining functionality!!!
Look, I agree that in a perfect world, it _is_ a -nicer- thing if MCE
can change the channels for itself, but c'mon: It's not the computer's
responsibility to ensure that I wake up in the morning, or that I eat
3x a day, or go to he bathroom when necessary, so, since it -can't-
even guarantee that the IR tuner actually works properly anyway, the
absence of it shouldn't obviate the rest of the functionality! (I've
been recording my TV shows happily for over a YEAR with the Hauppage
WinTV application under XP, and I never even dug the IR Blaster
hardware out of the box until I tried to setup MCE on Vista tonight! --
-obviously then-, it's functionality is entirely superfluous to my
needs!)
Furthermore, as I alluded to above, even if MCE says it MUST HAVE this
hardware, it -still- can't guarantee that everything's going to work
flawlessly: It has no ability, for example, to determine if the IR LED
is pointed in the correct fashion, or if the cat ate it, or any other
problem that could potentially ocurr. All it can do is send the signal
and -assume- that meant something happened, but since it has no means
to detect the result, it's more or less just hoping that it works.
Here's another one: To do it's job, the MCE computer requires that both
the STB and the computer have power. As such, why isn't MCE operation
prevented unless the owner has an MS-MCE-Approved UPS/Generator
connected to these devices? As rediculous as it sounds, it's -exactly-
as silly as -requiring- the MCE IR hardware! Oh! -- and if the
weather's bad out, it might prevent MCE from being able to record a
program off my satellite TV, maybe -that- should also be a reason for
disabling MCE? (maybe they could write a wizard that checks the weather
channel website each day to see if it's an MS-MCE-Approved-Weather day
and enable/disable the functionality accordingly?)
Look, obviously the decision was made that it was okay for the user to
be responsible for ensuring adequate electricity and a host of other
things that are also necssary for successfully recording a TV program,
so maybe it really -is-, (also) okay if they sometimes have to be
responsible for changing the channel too?
In any event, I am still perplexed as to why, given all of these
things, ALL of MCE's tuner-based functionality is eliminated just
because one "bonus" function doesn't work? Surely if *I* (the customer)
can live with that limitation, that's all that really matters isn't it?
PS: As it turns out, my satellite receiver's remote is -*UHF*- based!
So even if I go out and drop US$35 on the MS-IR thingy (in complete
redundance to the Hauppage one I already have), it doesn't make a damn
bit of difference! (At least, not as far as getting MCE to perform the
job you're telling me that it -must- do.) So, given that condition, why
not at least let me -USE- the thing to the extent of which I actually
-CAN- use it? Essentially I'm saying I only need 70% of MCE's
tuner-based functionality and you're telling me that if I won't use
100%, then I can't have -any-. Which, I have to say, is a -very-
annoying thing to be told... (I say this because I remember feeling
that way about it ... you know, back in Grade 2? When someone else
playing in the sandbox would pack up all their toys and storm off if
they didn't get their own way? -- this feels a lot like that).
J. Clarke
The quick answer to this is that MCE is to a commercial PVR program as
Windows Write is to Word. If you want more features than it has then
you have to buy something else.
Bleus
> If you want more features than it has then you have to buy something
> else.
-less-!!! -- All I want is to have -enforced- IR functionality
_removed_. G'head and leave it in as an optional "bonus", extra
feature, but don't make it mandatory, b/c there's absolutely no reason
on earth that it be a -required- feature. As I've tried to demonstrate,
MCE can work and work well without changing my STB's channels, so all
I'm asking is to be allowed to use it that way!
*sigh*
PS: Since your statement indicates that you didn't read my entire post
(i.e. The sentence that includes the phrase: "I only need 70% of MCE's
tuner-based functionality..." seems to make it reasonably clear that
I'm asking for less functionality in MCE, not more), was it really
necessary to quote all of it back again verbatim in your post?
JW
removed in Vista MC however it was not, and there has never been a
workaround posted.
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D.@discussions.microsoft.com Tom D.
S-video input without "fooling" the software into it. There is no reason this
cannot be accomplished. I just bought the Media Center PC and I've lost a lot
of functionality I had with an ATI all-in-Wonder card and windows 2000!! Had
I know of these un-reasonable limitations, I'm not sure I would have
purchased a PC with Media Center Software. I sure hope there is a hack out
there to allow me to tell the stinkin' MCE software to display the signal I
have input on the S-video or composite video port.
Tom
J. Clarke
>> If you want more features than it has then you have to buy something
>> else.
> *-ROFLMAO-* -- I'm not asking for -more- features, I'm asking for
> -less-!!! -- All I want is to have -enforced- IR functionality
> _removed_. G'head and leave it in as an optional "bonus", extra
> feature, but don't make it mandatory, b/c there's absolutely no reason
> on earth that it be a -required- feature. As I've tried to
> demonstrate, MCE can work and work well without changing my STB's
> channels, so all I'm asking is to be allowed to use it that way!
>
> *sigh*
>
> PS: Since your statement indicates that you didn't read my entire post
> (i.e. The sentence that includes the phrase: "I only need 70% of MCE's
> tuner-based functionality..." seems to make it reasonably clear that
> I'm asking for less functionality in MCE, not more), was it really
> necessary to quote all of it back again verbatim in your post?
Look, the bottom line is that you either pay for the remote or pay more
for software that doesn't require that you have it. If you don't like
that, well, you have now learned the important lesson that life is
unfair.
Perhaps you would be happier with MythTV.
Bleus
Nawp, I gave up on it; took apart my WHS and re-installed XP w/ the
Hauppage software that came with the card in the first place. It's a
totally retarded thing they've done there, and if they're unwilling to
acknowledge that, then I guess it's TFB; In the meantime, I'll just
keep using the software that came with the tuner card... At least just
HAVING MCE on the Vista machine means I can use my 360's MCExtender
(although without the video functions).
davidttx
The *Answer*
Go back in to Windows Media Center setup
Select: Tasks -> Settings -> TV -> Setup TV Signal
Answer YES to popup questions - are you sure??
Continue normally through TV Signal Setup *UNTIL:*
Select -> *I WILL MANUALLY CONFIGURE MY TV SIGNAL*
Select -> *ANTENNA* - I dont care what you are plugged in to
Select -> *ANALOG-ONLY ANTENNA* - I dont care what you are plugged in
to
Select -> RETURN TO TV SETTINGS - unless you really want Guide Listings
Select -> FINISH
SORRY - You have now by-passed the IR control device. you have to use a
*cable input* and not a S-Video or composite input
But IT WORKS
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Sangoma
I don't understand - the community is saying they don't want to have to
use the IR - they are happy to do it themselves. The customer has
spoken?
What if I have a VCR connected to my composite input - now I can't use
Media Center? Ridiculous!
Media Center is not just a PVR. It is also a DVD player. It has a
button called 'Live TV'. That is not necessarily a recorder function
(otherwise, why call it 'live').
Right now I'm using a cable connection, as suggested.
Daft!
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Nigel Barker
>Media Center is not just a PVR. It is also a DVD player. It has a
>button called 'Live TV'. That is not necessarily a recorder function
>(otherwise, why call it 'live').
The Live TV _is_ recorded. It's actually a coupel of seconds behind real time. This allows the trick
play features like Pause/Rewind Live TV.
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Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur
MCE MVP
Sangoma
Nigel Barker;2833550 Wrote:
> On Wed, 9 May 2007 06:28:17 +0530, The Live TV _is_ recorded. It's
> actually a coupel of seconds behind real time. This allows the trick
> play features like Pause/Rewind Live TV.
>
You are absolutely correct. However, this does not involve the need to
change channels.
What's wrong with "IR receiver not detected. Would you like to proceed
without it?"
Nigel Barker
>
>Nigel Barker;2833550 Wrote:
>> On Wed, 9 May 2007 06:28:17 +0530, The Live TV _is_ recorded. It's
>> actually a coupel of seconds behind real time. This allows the trick
>> play features like Pause/Rewind Live TV.
>>
>
>You are absolutely correct. However, this does not involve the need to
>change channels.
>
>What's wrong with "IR receiver not detected. Would you like to proceed
>without it?"
Why bother as MCE will not be able to change channels? What's the point of a PVR permanently stuck
on one channel? TV is multichannel nowadays even when I was a kid we had two channels on analogue
Sangoma
Quite simple because it is called a 'Media Center'. Yes, it has PVR
capabilities. I can use it to watch TV, DVDs and recorded movies. I do
not expect MCE to change DVDs for me!
Why not support the possibility that I have a VCR connected to S-Video
input?
What if I have a VCR on Composite 1 and a satellite receiver on
composite 2?
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Nigel Barker
>
>Quite simple because it is called a 'Media Center'. Yes, it has PVR
>capabilities. I can use it to watch TV, DVDs and recorded movies. I do
>not expect MCE to change DVDs for me!
MCE _can_ change DVDs for you
>Why not support the possibility that I have a VCR connected to S-Video
>input?
You need to drop old technology sometime. There is no facility for connecting a gramophone to MCE
either
>What if I have a VCR on Composite 1 and a satellite receiver on
>composite 2?
Forget that old VCR:-) A better case would be where you had a satellite receiver & a cable STB. The
inability to handle multiple TV programme sources & hence multiple EPGs is feature missing from MCE
that is present in competing PVRs.
Noozer
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> On Fri, 11 May 2007 03:31:22 +0530, Sangoma <Sangoma...@DoNotSpam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Quite simple because it is called a 'Media Center'. Yes, it has PVR
>>capabilities. I can use it to watch TV, DVDs and recorded movies. I do
>>not expect MCE to change DVDs for me!
>
> MCE _can_ change DVDs for you
>
>>Why not support the possibility that I have a VCR connected to S-Video
>>input?
>
> You need to drop old technology sometime. There is no facility for
> connecting a gramophone to MCE
> either
*ONLY* because Microsoft says so... As long as ANY of my devices have the
required connectors, I SHOULD be able to connect it and get a usuable signal
from it.
How would you like it if you weren't able to plug your AM radio into any of
the outlets of your house, even though the radio supported 110vac and the
plug was correct? "Sorry sir. Your radio is AM. It won't work with our brand
of electricity."
Nigel Barker
>How would you like it if you weren't able to plug your AM radio into any of
>the outlets of your house, even though the radio supported 110vac and the
>plug was correct? "Sorry sir. Your radio is AM. It won't work with our brand
>of electricity."
In my case that would be true as I live in a 220V country:-)
Noozer
> On Fri, 11 May 2007 02:59:37 -0600, "Noozer" <dont...@me.here> wrote:
>
>>How would you like it if you weren't able to plug your AM radio into any
>>of
>>the outlets of your house, even though the radio supported 110vac and the
>>plug was correct? "Sorry sir. Your radio is AM. It won't work with our
>>brand
>>of electricity."
>
> In my case that would be true as I live in a 220V country:-)
Ya... I though of that. :)
Wish I lived someplace nice and warm all year round.
How about this for an example...
You're watching TV and an old show filmed in black & white comes on. Your TV
suddenly displays a black screen with the message "This content was filmed
in black and white, therefore it has been blocked."
Sangoma
> MCE _can_ change DVDs for you
"Windows Media Center cannot detect a video DVD in the DVD-ROM drive.
Insert a video DVD into the drive." It did not even open the drive door
for me!
> You need to drop old technology sometime. There is no facility for
> connecting a gramophone to MCE either
I beg to differ. IF my gramophone (we're showing our age here :-)) had
an RCA style output I could connect it to the Composite input of my TV
card. Alas, MCE won't let me select it because I have no IR blaster!
----
Nigel Barker
>
>> MCE _can_ change DVDs for you
>OK, I just hit the Play DVD button on MCE. MCE came back and said
>"Windows Media Center cannot detect a video DVD in the DVD-ROM drive.
>Insert a video DVD into the drive." It did not even open the drive door
>for me!
You need the correct hardware. Something like this
http://microsoft.blognewschannel.com/archives/2006/09/17/sony-media-center-200-disk-dvd-changer-just-300/
kbdread
Guys the question still remains, Is there a way to bypass "IR Hardware
not Detected"?
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>
>Guys the question still remains, Is there a way to bypass "IR Hardware
>not Detected"?
Not if you want to connect a device to the composite or s-video input of the analogue TV capture
card.
CSM1
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Yes, Install the hardware,
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The problem has nothing to do with IR blasters, or remotes, or any of
the things mentioned in a number of the posts. The problem is very
simple. Media Center does not recognize the composite nor the s-video
inputs on the tuner card. I have used ATI cards and software (the
world's worse). With that setup, you could select either the cable
input, the s-video input, or the composite input. You could feed any
signal into either of those inputs and record. It had (and still has)
nothing to do with blasters or remotes. Media Center does not let you
select any tuner input (on the fly) other than cable.
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JW
Coax(RF), S-Video or Composite as the video source(depending on the card).
However you can not select an STB as the source unless you have an MCE IR
receiver and and IR blaster connected.
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Hamil33
Thanks for the reply. However, I continue to say (as I said in the last
part of my post) that Media Center will not let you change inputs "on
the fly." To make the user return to the set-up commands just to
change inputs is worthless. In my opionion that is just "seeing" one
input. It would have been easy for Microsoft to include "Select Input"
in its basic menu when you boot Vista Media Center. As usual, even to
us confirmed Microsoft users, "would have been easy" has apparently
never been a part of the equation. Interesting that ATI has had that
capability back to the early days of the AIW cards. Pity ATI can't get
their software act together. I believe ATI's use of Guide+ provides
about the best program guide that is free to the user.
siradlib
thank god I´ve found this newsgroup. I think NOT beeing able to select
s-video input manually is really stupid...
Apart from gramophones not being able to get connected to Media
Center, what should I do if Media Center just is unable to learn/
recognize ir codes of my set top box?
I have a Nokia dbox2 (for digital cable TV, DVB-C) and Media Center
just doesn´t recognize the ir codes of its remote.
Even worse, my cable provider is jumping onto the NDS Videoguard-train
shortly, and has published a list of set top boxes that will be
compatible with NDS Videoguard system:
- technisat PR-K
- humax PR Fox C
- humax PR HD 1000C
- humax PDR 9700 C
- samsung DCB-I560G
- Thomson DCI 1500G
Thats all! CAM modules will not be made available, so every other set
top box with CI rules out! To my knowledge, none of these boxes ir
codes will be recognized by Windows Vista Media Center.
And now?
An "s-video-channel" would be a nice work around, without it Media
Center is just useless.
xyz1
To Davidttx.
Your solution sounds fantastic but I have hit a little hurdle. Please
help.
I follow your steps
Media Center
Tasks
Settings
TV
Set up TV signal
I get the warning that changing will affect TV recording; do you wish
to continue?
I click "Yes" which takes me to:
Set up your TV signal
I click "Next" - there is no other option really.
Then I am asked to confirm my region which eventually leads me to the
"No IR hardware etcetc". At no stage do I get the option to manually
configure my TV signal.
I just bought the PC today. Is this a dastardly plot by Microsoft?
Have they removed the option of manual configuration so that people are
forced to buy a MC remote?
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IR Receiver plugged in to the PC to configure if you are using a Set Top
Box.
The only way you will not get this, is if you are using direct analog cable
(i.e. coax plugged right into the tuner card). If you don't have the
receiver and IR blaster, MCE would have no way to control the box to change
the channels.
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Jaime;3058541 Wrote:
> Nothing has changed in Media Center. It has always required that you
> have a
> IR Receiver plugged in to the PC to configure if you are using a Set
> Top
> Box.
>
> The only way you will not get this, is if you are using direct analog
> cable
> (i.e. coax plugged right into the tuner card). If you don't have the
> receiver and IR blaster, MCE would have no way to control the box to
> change
> the channels.
> -
Thanks Jaime. You're right, I am using a coax cable and it's probably
plugged straight into the tuner card. I'm not terribly au fait with
the terminology so please bear with me. This is the PC I bought today
http://www.aldi.co.uk/images/data_product/858224483469758ad6e56f.pdf
I'm not too sure what an IR receiver or blaster would be. There is a
TV remote which zaps something which plugs into any old USB socket in
the PC. Are these what you are referring to? I am trying to use them.
But I'm not using the built-in tuner as I haven't figured out how to
use it. I'm just testing to see if I can get any TV program up and
running.I've got Sky TV - the signal goes through a booster up to the
loft where it is split and fed into various rooms into coax sockets.
What I've done is use a coax cable to connect the TV to one of these
sockets. I've found the signals in various channels when working my
way through the wizard but I fall down on the last step where the
system tells me there is no IR hardware.
I understand from another post elsewhere that this is because the
remote is not the official Windows MC hardware but a generic model.
Do you have any suggestions as to what I ought to do?
Nigel Barker
Don't answer the question Are you using a set top box?" with "Yes". You are not, you are effectively
using an aerial input (or antenna as Media center insists on calling it). If you were using a set
top box directly you would connect via s-video or composite for the videa & L/R audio & then you
definitely would need the Microsoft IR receiver& IR bug to control the set top box.
How do you propose changing channels for unattended recordings?
xyz1
Nigel Barker;3059296 Wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 04:35:35 +0530, xyz1 <xyz1....@DoNotSpam.com>
> wrote:
> How do you propose changing channels for unattended recordings?
>
First of all , may I say that while Cote d'Azur may be hot and sunny,
the weather's also wonderful right now in Cambridgeshire.
I'm not planning to do any unattended recordings on the PC as Sky Plus
is so user-friendly; I have no reason to use anything else. I bought
this PC for my child to play PC games and the TV aspect would just be a
bonus - if I can get it to work. Unfortunately I can't even get it to
play Vampire Bloodlines as I reckon my Relisys monitor's not up to it
(30ms response rate has gone out with steam engines)!
Have you any suggestions as to how to get my PC to show TV programs via
the co-ax connection? Would I have to go out and buy a Windows MC
remote? Or maybe I need to shell out for a dvd decoder as a post
suggested elsewhere.
Nigel Barker
>
>Nigel Barker;3059296 Wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 04:35:35 +0530, xyz1 <xyz1....@DoNotSpam.com>
>> wrote:
>> [color=blue]
>> How do you propose changing channels for unattended recordings?
>>
>
>First of all , may I say that while Cote d'Azur may be hot and sunny,
>the weather's also wonderful right now in Cambridgeshire.
But for how long?:-)
>I'm not planning to do any unattended recordings on the PC as Sky Plus
>is so user-friendly; I have no reason to use anything else. I bought
>this PC for my child to play PC games and the TV aspect would just be a
>bonus - if I can get it to work. Unfortunately I can't even get it to
>play Vampire Bloodlines as I reckon my Relisys monitor's not up to it
>(30ms response rate has gone out with steam engines)!
>
>Have you any suggestions as to how to get my PC to show TV programs via
>the co-ax connection? Would I have to go out and buy a Windows MC
>remote? Or maybe I need to shell out for a dvd decoder as a post
>suggested elsewhere.
Just setup the TV in media Center & say that you are using 'antenna'. You will not then need a
remote but of course you will only be able to view & record whatever the person who has the digibox
remote has decided.
Did you buy the Media center ready made or did you roll your own? If the latter then you will need
an MPEG2/DVD decoder to watch TV or indeed to watch DVD. If this isn't a DIY job then whoever you
bought it from will have installed an MPEG2/DVD decoder.
xyz1
Nigel Barker;3060102 Wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:25:36 +0530, xyz1 <xyz1....@DoNotSpam.com>
> wrote:
> But for how long?:-)
>
It was a bit touch and go this morning but it turned out very hot and
sunny in East Anglia.
Thank for the advice about choosing "antenna". I've been having all
sorts of problems with something else and have the best part of today
doing system restore, uninstall Norton360 and trying to put everything
back. By which time I had lost "live TV" and forgot how to get it back
on the menu!
I tried all sorts of things and when I got nowhere, I had another look
at your post and bingo, got "liveTV" back on the screen. Lord, why do
I need to know so many things to use a PC?
I'm not clever enough to roll my own MC. I bought a cheapo Aldi PC 2
days back with the gubbins installed.
http://www.aldi.co.uk/images/data_product/858224483469758ad6e56f.pdf
Many thanks to you and all for helping me out here. I've got the TV
part sussed out , now I have to see how to get the PC game up and
working....
erin
an older version of MCE and was able to set up the tv signal manually because
the IR thingy never changed the channels correctly. I only had to set the
channel with my cable remote and set to record manually. That's all I wanted
anyway as I have DVR, which is far better. I only record things in MC that I
want to burn. With MCE 2005, one cant set up the tv manually with digital
cable. Would love to revert. Seems like Microsoft continues to go
backward--DONT UPGRADE!!
"Jason Tsang" wrote:
> Unfortunately, that's not how it works in Media Center.
>
> Media Center needs to be able to control the set top box. The whole premise
> behind it is that it will do all the channel changing for you (i.e.
> unattended).
>
>
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>
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> (and other topics that interest me)
> http://jtsang.blogspot.com
>
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>
>
> "dpic" <dp...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:174935A0-3873-44C1...@microsoft.com...
> >
> > Thanks for the response, Jaime. I use the remote that came with the sat
> > receiver, so I don't need the IR Blaster. For unattended recording I
> > merely
> > set my channel and use the composite input for recording. This is the way
> > it
> > worked under Xp with ATI software. I simply don't need anymore hardware.
> > The card works fine as it--except for the fact Media Center will not allow
> > me
> > to set up the card. It's just that ATI software isn't ready for Vista
> > yet,
> > and I need to use Media Center.
> >
> > I don't understand why Media Center is requiring hardware that isn't
> > required for the TV to work properly;.
>
>
>
Jaime
one. That is not the same issue as not even having the IR kit at all. If the
OP had an IR kit hookup, then he could do as you did -- just not use it to
change channels.
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matidor
clicking antenna instead of cable. when finished I changed the channel to 3
the cable box channel and am watching tv and using the cable box remote to
change channels.
"dpic" wrote:
> Again, Jason, I purchased Vista Home Premium with the idea that I only
> needed a TV tuner card--not other hardware. I have met the MCE requirements
> stated by Microsoft to run Media Center. Even the Vista hardware
> compatibility adviser said nothing about needing IR Blasters. Now, I'm told
> I can't run the app without more hardware.
>
> This is very frustrating. The first time I knew I had an issue was when I
> tried to set-up MCE for the first time and got the "IR hardware not
> detected." There was no other information to guide me to what I needed to
> do. Since I met all the stated requirements to run Vista I had no idea what
> the problem was. I've been searching the internet for a couple of days now
> and this is the first place I've found with any answers. Even Knowledge Base
> was useless about "IR hardware not detected."
>
> I simply don't understand why I can't run Media Center without IR hardware.
> Your position seems to be because I won't have all the cool benefits. Alas,
> I don't have any of the benefits, now.
Houbie
Where did you change the channel to 3????
In the registry??
Rg
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"siradlib" wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> thank god I4ve found this newsgroup. I think NOT beeing able to select
> s-video input manually is really stupid...
> Apart from gramophones not being able to get connected to Media
> Center, what should I do if Media Center just is unable to learn/
> recognize ir codes of my set top box?
> I have a Nokia dbox2 (for digital cable TV, DVB-C) and Media Center
> just doesn4t recognize the ir codes of its remote.
> Even worse, my cable provider is jumping onto the NDS Videoguard-train
> shortly, and has published a list of set top boxes that will be
> compatible with NDS Videoguard system:
> - technisat PR-K
> - humax PR Fox C
> - humax PR HD 1000C
> - humax PDR 9700 C
> - samsung DCB-I560G
> - Thomson DCI 1500G
>
> Thats all! CAM modules will not be made available, so every other set
> top box with CI rules out! To my knowledge, none of these boxes ir
> codes will be recognized by Windows Vista Media Center.
> And now?
> An "s-video-channel" would be a nice work around, without it Media
> Center is just useless.
>
>
Guys (adn Girls) the situation is :
1. in XP Media Center my AverMedia A700 worked
2. I "upgraded" to Vista - and now have the same issue as all of you
3. Vista DOES NOT support Sat Receiver Cards ANYMORE - Full STOP
4. Only Set-Top-Boxes doe work
All the Cards come (Aver,TechniSat etc.) with Vista Logo - what they all
forget to say "No Media Center Support for Vista" - Only their own
applications do work
I will go back to XP - MS wasted my time
Nigel Barker
wrote:
Media Center has never supported DVB-S satellite tuner cards it has always been
necessary to use the software supplied with the card. Some manufacturers
produce fake DVB-T drivers that will allow the card to work in Media Center but
I don't believer Aver have done this. There is a Universal DVB Receiver package
funded by Microsoft & developed by a 3rd-party in Germany that does provide
generic support for Free To Air channels for DVB-S cards that have compliant
BDA drivers. The latest version of UDR that I know of (V1008 build 0806 can be
found here http://blackgold.fileburst.com/downloads/BGT3540_DVBS_MCE_1008.zip
Gary Tsang
top box, so it'll never be able to automatically record channels. It makes
it a much less compelling use of the program as surely, you can't be at your
computer everytime a tv show starts, in order to change the channel.
--
Gary Tsang
http://www.gtsang.com
Microsoft MVP - Windows Media Center
http://www.microsoft.com/mvp
"matidor" <mat...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Nigel Barker
wrote:
>I'd argue that you only half solved it. Media Center can't control your set
>top box, so it'll never be able to automatically record channels. It makes
>it a much less compelling use of the program as surely, you can't be at your
>computer everytime a tv show starts, in order to change the channel.
You have also got the worst possible picture quality & may well lose stereo
sound by using an RF connection.
wanderer13
Samsung HDTV via a male to male VGA lead. I have tried pressing Fn F5 but the
pc monitor goes blank but doesn't seem to be sending a signal to the TV, is
there something I need to do on my laptop or TV?
Any help much appreciated
--
wanderer13
"dpic" wrote:
> I have a ATI TV Wonder 650 pci card. The card worked fine with Xp with ATI's
> software, but when I try to setup Media Center under Vista it will not allow
> me to set up the card. I have the card connected via the composite
> connections of the 650 card. During set-up I get to the place where I get an
> message that "IR Hardware not detected" and the installation will no longer
> continue. I can see a picture in the set-up window. But the setup program
> will not let continue past this point. I have tried different setup
> configurations, but none allow me to use the composite connection from the
> ATI card without having the "IR hardware."
>
> Any help would greatly appreciated.
Curious
you may need to use the normal graphics setup for two displays instead of a
FnFx combination.
"wanderer13" <wande...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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JW
resolution (of your laptop) that you are trying to send to the TV is one
that it will accept over VGA. Many newer widescreen laptops have 16:10
aspect ratio screens and resolutions which your TV may not accept.
"wanderer13" <wande...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Industrialite@discussions.microsoft.com Kindred Industrialite
they are in storage... and it won't let me skip the ir, to finish the
config... Dammed annoying... I don't have access to storage right now, just
to get a damned receiver... Freaking silly... Why would it not just let you
SKIP that step???? I don't plan on changing the channel with media center
anyway.....
GRRRR..... Is there NO Config file, or INI setting that I can change, simply
to tell media center to use my SVIDEO input, instead of the built in tuner???
Even Being able to manually config a File, would be acceptable...
Jeasus...
"Jason Tsang" wrote:
> Unfortunately, that's not how it works in Media Center.
>
> Media Center needs to be able to control the set top box. The whole premise
> behind it is that it will do all the channel changing for you (i.e.
> unattended).
>
>
> --
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>
> Read my blog for the latest in Media Center topics
> (and other topics that interest me)
> http://jtsang.blogspot.com
>
> More information by me
> http://jtsang.mvps.org
> http://www.classicsunveiled.com
>
> Find out about the MS MVP Program -
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx
>
>
>
> "dpic" <dp...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:174935A0-3873-44C1...@microsoft.com...
> >
> > Thanks for the response, Jaime. I use the remote that came with the sat
> > receiver, so I don't need the IR Blaster. For unattended recording I
> > merely
> > set my channel and use the composite input for recording. This is the way
> > it
> > worked under Xp with ATI software. I simply don't need anymore hardware.
> > The card works fine as it--except for the fact Media Center will not allow
> > me
Nigel Barker
Indust...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>I have the exact same problem right now.. I have two freaking ir devices, but
>they are in storage... and it won't let me skip the ir, to finish the
>config... Dammed annoying... I don't have access to storage right now, just
>to get a damned receiver... Freaking silly... Why would it not just let you
>SKIP that step???? I don't plan on changing the channel with media center
>anyway.....
>
>GRRRR..... Is there NO Config file, or INI setting that I can change, simply
>to tell media center to use my SVIDEO input, instead of the built in tuner???
>
>Even Being able to manually config a File, would be acceptable...
>Jeasus...
This must be in the Top Three Most Popular Questions on this forum & the answer
as always the same. If you have a Set Top Box then you need a IR
remote/receiver/bug combo to control the STB otherwise how is Media Center to
change channels for unattended recording?
You say that you don't plan on changing the channel with media center so I am
wondering why you want to hook the STB up to Media Center in any case. However
if you really want to & if the STB has an RF out then you can use coaxial cable
to connect that to the antenna input of your TV tuner card.
Huvants Tuneau
You all have been talking around in circles for YEARS and still have yet to
ANSWER the FIRST question!
>>>HOW<<< DO YOU GET PAST the "IR Hardware Not Detected" message?
NOT! - How do I spend extra money and effort to do something additional that
I don't care about?
NOT! - How do I be the butt of "cheap" or "stupid user" jokes?
If the actual answer is that it is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE OF
MICRO$$$$$OFT'S !@#R%^*(*&%^$@! ARROGANT HARD CODING programming practice,
then TELL THE TRUTH and say so in so many words! You won't get any argument
from me if you posit that MICRO$$$$$OFT is out of touch and DOESN'T CARE.
The landfills are full of stuff they wouldn't fix.
Besides, excuse me, but WHY SHOULD YOU CARE **WHY** so many people DON'T
NEED TO RECORD or otherwise DON'T NEED the remote or the blaster? If it is
the #3 MOST REQUESTED item, then THERE MIGHT JUST BE A REASON! If you don't
understand those reasons in spite of multiple people giving perfectly
adequate justifications, then it is YOUR fault for not getting it, not that
of the people posting! They should NOT be derided or made fun of! Stop
insulting them and actually show your vast intellectual power by spending
some thought on FIXING THE ACTUAL PROBLEM. Maybe a Registry hack? It could
be as simple as adding some characters to a string. Something else? Come
on! Take it as a challenge instead of propogating MICRO$$$$$OFT's arrogance
- those who are aplogizing for this grotesque corporate thoughtlessness are
in peril of being infected and subsumed by it. Maybe it's too late for some
- that sort of intellectual laziness is insidious.
No surprize, I fall into this popular but obviously misguided class of folks
who DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY we are NOT ALLOWED to see a signal that we can
observe coming into our computers in the MCE setup screen.
Oh, and by the way, I "DOWN"GRADED this computer to MCE 2005. It came with
Vista MCE, butI got tired of it blue screening every time I plugged in a USB
disk (and 20+++ other things - too long for this forum. I wanted to return
it to HP, but I kept trying to fix it and wound up keeping it just too long
to return). So now I'm faced with getting the drivers to work. The last
one was getting the IR driver to load (thanks to a post on another forum the
trick was to manually load the driver from the device manager as a USB HUB).
I didn't really care about it (it sat in the box for a year) but I had this
clearly misguided notion that if I loaded the IR Driver and got the remote
working that maybe I could get past the "IR Hardware not Detected" hard stop.
SILLY ME. MICRO$$$$$OFT is WAY TOO SMART to allow something that simple -
Everything must be hard coded, cryptic, hidden and/or invariant - Must
protect the stupid users from themselves, they might hurt something... Oh,
and yes, the remote works fine, except maybe for that blaster part, but I
can't tell BECAUSE THE THING REFUSES TO FINISH.
Not that it is anybody's business, but I have a perfectly good Satellite
Tivo (LINUX YEAH!!!!) in the living room with a projector and a 110" screen,
so that is where I do recording of anything I'd want to really concentrate
on watching. All I wanted to do here is to see the simple signal coming
from there into my office next door. BUT NO. MICRO$$$$$OFT WON'T LET ME.
And no, I don't want this piece of junk computer and its half baked
operating system and this brain dead application messing with my Tivo
recordings unattended. If I want it recorded I do so at the source.
So maybe the workaround (NOT AN **ANSWER**, mind you!!!!) is to spend a
pittance on another remote and IR box, but there is now a rub even on that.
Looking thru newegg, I don't see a single one that isn't for Vista only. I
already have one that was made for Vista, and yet here we are... Or maybe
find a way to get the s-video input onscreen that doesn't suck (no luck with
that - quarter screen and fuzzy at best). For some reason the folks that
wrote Media Player never thought that one might like to view a live signal -
that a tuner or capture device is a valid media source... Oh WAIT - that is
another MICRO$$$$$OFT product!!! What was I thinking?!?!?
Configuration:
HP m7760n REgraded to MCE xp 2005
Hauppage 1600, with HP remote & IR module (calls itself ehome)
upgraded to GeF8600 dual monitor
Sorry to sound like a jerk, but, when begging and gentle pleading by others
hasn't worked for years, perhaps will someone with the skill, training and
resources will be shamed enough by this diatribe to take the challenge and
think?
Curious
remote and IR receiver and IR blaster connected so MCE can control it then
use must use the coax output from the STB which can be set to channel 3 or
channel 4. Then you configure the 1600 cards analog tuner in MCE saying you
have an antenna and you always tune to channel 3 or 4. You can then use the
remote for STB to change the channel.
If you do have an MCE remote and IR receiver then you must also have an IR
blaster which came with your MCE remote and IR receiver to control the STB
and accept input from the STB over S-video instead and you do not need to
use the STB remote with either coax or S-video.
"Huvants Tuneau" <geek...@nowhere.gov> wrote in message
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Jaime
question buried at the very end is probably not going to elicit much of a
reply.
Most people either ignored as an obnoxious post out of hand or got too bored
to make it to the end.
I'm sure your tuner card came with some viewing program, just use that if MC
is such a crappy application.
BTW, there are lots of Vista remotes, AFAIK the old XP MCE ones work fine.
--
James
Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), FL
"Huvants Tuneau" <geek...@nowhere.gov> wrote in message
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Nigel Barker
wrote:
>Sorry to sound like a jerk, but, when begging and gentle pleading by others
>hasn't worked for years, perhaps will someone with the skill, training and
>resources will be shamed enough by this diatribe to take the challenge and
>think?
What an extraordinary rant! You are letting this thing bug you way too much.
Media Center is a mass market consumer product & if certain design or
architectural decisions for that product don't suit you then too bad as they do
suit most of that mass market.. Get over it!
Before you go completely over the edge I had better give you this link to a
method to achieve what you want to do by using a fake IR receiver.
http://www.myhava.com/forum/download/file.php?id=53 Unzip the downloaded file &
follow the directions in the enclosed PDF on installing and you will be able to
get past the 'IR Hardware not Detected' message. Of course, that way you won't
be able to use Media Center for changing the channel for unattended recordings
as it was designed to function but if you want to persist in crippling the
functionality of the product to suit your needs then it is possible. Although
labeled as 'Vista MCE IR blaster.zip' this works OK in MCE 2005. There is
discussion of this solution in this forum
http://www.myhava.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1361&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
dwood4215
http://www.xpcgear.com/xphavistabk.html
"Noozer" wrote:
> $50 is NOT a low cost item.
>
> "Jason Tsang" <jason-o...@ETEmvps.org> wrote in message
> news:ushxdJCY...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > That's sorta a half-baked solution though. Given the relative low cost of
> > the remote/receiver/ir blasters, why not just do it right in the first
> > place.
>
> Why doesn't MCE support VIDEO IN like 99% of the consumer devices out there?
> Or how about VIDEO PASSTHROUGH so we can use our game consoles, etc. without
> lag.
>
>
>
eclectric
ir receiver worked great for me. However, I did find that I had to
uninstall the virtual ir receiver afterwards to be able to use my usb HP
Media Center 2005 receiver/remote.
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blake2415
I know this is an old post but I too am looking at this setup.
I can not install my STB as it requires a physical IR blaster in order to
finish the setup. It's not required. I have the MONSOON hava box and it
receives the channel change info through the network connection. In fact the
only way to make the HAVA work is to buy an IR blaster in order to let WMC
"think" one is in place but the HAVA doesn't even use it, it's just there to
trick WMC into finishing the setup.
The PVR products from SAGE TV and even the Free MEDIAPORTAL product simpy
allow one to skip this setting and I suppose by default they still act as if
there is an IR blaster because the chanels do change through the HAVA box.
I could solve my problem if I could open an INI file or edit the registry to
indicate an IR blaster is in place and then I could use my setup. ANything
is better than having to add yet anothere USB contraption to my system when
it's not functionally needed except for WMC won't configure without it.
Is there some way to get around this? As a thought, my laptop has the IR
built in and it controls the HAVA box fine. Can I copy the configuration
settings from my laptop to my desktop to get around this?
Bill
Curious
box. If you connect it via RF/Coax then you just tell MC that you have an
antenna and you manually tune to channel 3or4 which ever is coming from the
box.
"blake2415" <blak...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Jaime
http://www.myhava.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1361
--
James
Orlando (Goofy says "Hey"), Florida
"blake2415" <blak...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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blake2415
YOu are right, I checked it out and they have a virtual blaster. But it
won't install on my 64 bit vista.
Curious, your solution worked but I'm stuck on a channel limit. I can not
access any channels beyond about 60 of them... 1 thru 60... or so. If I
can find out how to open up media Center to not limit the channel numbers,
then I can make this work. Unfortunately, all movie channels here are in the
200+ range and the hd material here is 700+ range. Any suggestions?
Curious
unless you have subscribed to them your tuner box will not receive them also
the 100 and higher cable company channel numbers are not the real QAM
channel numbers and normally only a digital tuner supplied by the cable
company knows what real QAM channel the 100 and above alias channel numbers
convert to.
You are sending everything to MC over coax as channel 3 It has no idea what
actual channel your tuner box is actually tuned to.news:FE3D3003-3914-487B...@microsoft.com...
blake2415
sends the video via the network which is picked up by media center using a
hava driver. I"m not sure exactly what MC thinks hava really is, but using
the antenna setting the MC stops letting me change channels at 60someting.
However the box can keep going because the monsoon hava unit is stiting at
the digital cable box and relaying the channel commands, etc. whatever IR
signal comes thru that's what the hava box will change the cable box to.
Yes, I can go up to 999 with my package. My whole problem right now is MC
thinks it needs to stop at 60something but it' obviously a internal program
setting because if it would send the IR for 999 it would go to 999. I just
need to find a way to get mc to let me change to whatever number channel I
want. MC just needs to send the IR for the channel it wants and it wil
happen. However I can't use that setting because then MC wants to force me
to plug in a IR transmitter. The hava doesn't need this, it sends the IR
signal via the lan cable to the hava receiver which then changes the cable
channel via ir command. I suppose that HAVA on the pc simply captures the
IR instruction of MC and sends it without actually needing an IR transmitter
hooked up to the pc. The solution by HAVA is to buy an IR unit just to trick
the MC into getting to the next setup step. If I could go into a
configuration file for MC and simply tell it that an IR unit is in place, I
could hook this up the way it was intended.
Bill
Jaime
whole lot of people have missed the obvious for the last five years or so).
The reason you are only getting the 60 or so channels is with the
antenna/coax setting, MC assumes you are using analog so all the digital
stuff wouldn't be available anyway.
I don't know a lot about the Hava box/SW, but I guess I'm a little lost as
to it's purpose when used with MC. The whole point of MC is that *it* is the
DVR and as such controls the STB or directly receives/tunes the signal, in
the case of analog/OTA digital/QAM. Why put another layer into the mix?
You are telling MC to tell Hava to tell the STB to change the channel? MC
wasn't designed to work that way, it is designed to control the STB to
record/watch TV, you can't really blame MC for not being designed to
anticipate someone wanting to add another layer to the mix. Without the IR
equipment, MC could not control an external device, so it would be
impossible to do unattended recording (which is one of the points of having
an MC system).
Why not just get the IR stuff, plug it in, do the setup, and tuck it away
behind the system and never use it? Or you may be able to run the setup with
it, then unplug it (not sure if MC would complain about that)
--
James
Orlando (Goofy says "Hey"), Florida
"blake2415" <blak...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Curious
channel 3?
As I stated before you want MC to think it has an antenna and you want MC to
always to tune to channel 3 over the "antenna" . Then you use your Hava box
and its interface and not MC to change the channel being output over channel
3;..
If you Hava box uses some other interface to send its output to your
computer what is it?
If you are only receiving channels 2-67 or so then you are only receiving
unencrypted analog channels.
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