Re: Media Center 2005 question
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Mike Brannigan [MSFT]
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> Is the MCE Windows XP Professional + MCE or Windows XP Home + MCE.
All current Windows XP Media Center Editions are based on Windows XP
Professional.
However the 2005 version have been altered in that they no longer support at
least one feature of the Windows XP Professional base that is was originally
built upon. If you do a clean install you are no longer ale to join domain.
So in the context of MCE 2005 is it no longer accurate to refer to it as a
super set of Windows XP Professional it is now a new variant of the Windows
XP family.
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"Oguz" <Og...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Is the MCE Windows XP Professional + MCE or Windows XP Home + MCE.
Mike Brannigan [MSFT]
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> Mike,
>
> The ability to join a domain was one of the major differences between XP
> Pro
> and XP Home. Are you saying that MCE 2005 is now based on XP Home and not
> XP
> Pro? This ability may not be needed in the home, but many professionals do
> indeed have a domain at home, and many businesses apparently buy Media
> Center PCs.
>
> Dana Cline - MVP
Dana,
No - I said it is still based primarily on Windows XP Professional - BUT
that is now modified to no longer support Domain joining, so you shift you
mind from the idea of MCE being based on top of anything to Windows XP Media
Center Edition being a unique member of the Windows XP family of operating
system products.
Domain operation is not a common home use scenario and MCE is a consumer
product and not targeted at the corporate desktop space, that is the
province of Windows XP Professional.
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"Dana Cline - MVP" <dcl...@scriptpro.com> wrote in message
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> Mike,
>
> The ability to join a domain was one of the major differences between XP
> Pro
> and XP Home. Are you saying that MCE 2005 is now based on XP Home and not
> XP
> Pro? This ability may not be needed in the home, but many professionals do
> indeed have a domain at home, and many businesses apparently buy Media
> Center PCs.
>
> Dana Cline - MVP
>
> "Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" <mike...@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Derek R. Flickinger
information from the announcement is out before getting too bent out of
shape. There are some potential issues, especially from a security level,
introduced with the way that the eXtenders automatically gain access to the
MCE host that would make any domain administrator cringe if allowed to
access a secure domain the way they do. It really is not much different, at
least on the surface, than having to disable Fast User Switching in XP Pro
now to be able to join a domain securely - there are some real security
implications otherwise.
I think the underlying tone is that MCE is moving into its own category as a
separate version of Windows XP. This probably will be even more so in the
next release (2006?) and probably a whole lot more when incorporated into a
version of XP Embedded sometime in the future. Mike makes a good point in
that a savvy system administrator already knows how to make a
workgroup-based PC function well in a domain-based environment, especially
for what MCE is designed to do and what it needs to access.
Regards,
=D-
Derek R. Flickinger
Interactive Homes, Inc.
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Adds21
> product and not targeted at the corporate desktop space, that is the
> province of Windows XP Professional.
I have to say I think this is pretty short-sighted of MS. Not only do I run
a domain at home, but we also have a MCE 2004 machine in the office (also on
a domain).
I'm not sure I *can* switch the MCE machine back to a workgroup as I use
Exchange for my mail, and that, AFAIK, requires a domain account.
If MCE 2005 cannot join, or at least stay within on upgrade, a domain, then
I for one will have to stick with 2004.
A.
Derek R. Flickinger
need to provide your credentials, including the domain, as part of either
the profile configuration or as part of your connection login. It makes it
easier if you use the same user name and password for your workgroup account
that you have in the domain.
As mentioned in previous post, be careful that you have any personal content
stored in a shared (All Users) area instead of the personal documents and
settings folders. That way you can access it easily from the workgroup
account.
Regards,
=D-
Derek R. Flickinger
Interactive Homes, Inc.
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Mike Brannigan [MSFT]
> That's a really bad marketing move, in my opinion. Then again, I question
> the need for a "Media Center" OS anyhow. Seems like Media Center should be
> sold as a standalone product, and loadable on either XP Pro or Home.
>
> I'm glad I've got a workgroup at home rather than a domain, but may want
> to
> add a domain someday so not sure how this will play out.
>
One reason for the non availability of a stand alone product is the same one
why it is only an OEM product (usually only shipped on new PCs). It allows
the OEM to be very tight on the precise hardware that their machine is
supplied with and that they have to provide full support on (machine and
OS).
As regards having a domain at home - as a competent IT Professional (since
regular home users just do not have domains) - you already know how it "will
play out" and how to access resources on the MCE and from the MCE to your
domain.
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"Dana Cline - MVP" <dcl...@scriptpro.com> wrote in message
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> That's a really bad marketing move, in my opinion. Then again, I question
> the need for a "Media Center" OS anyhow. Seems like Media Center should be
> sold as a standalone product, and loadable on either XP Pro or Home.
>
> I'm glad I've got a workgroup at home rather than a domain, but may want
> to
> add a domain someday so not sure how this will play out.
>
> But, yeah, tell your boss this was a bad idea...
>
> Dana Cline - MVP
>
> "Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" <mike...@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Adds21
of my domain though. I'll have to make sure the passwords match when my
domain password expires, and I'll have problems using MMC to administrate
the server etc. Not to mention security.
I'm vaguely hopeful by Mike's "If you do a clean install" comment. Although
he hasn't stated, I'm hoping that if you upgrade a machine with is already
joined to a domain, it'll stay joined to the domain...
I have to say that I agree with Dana's comments, and wish that MCE was a
separate product rather than an O/S in its own right (although I understand
Mike's OEM comments as well).
A.
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"sonny" <anon...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> My comment here is intended for Mike and other microsoft
> boofs. How come Micirosoft is pitching this product at
> the four or five countries with access to online program
> guides (us. uk, germany and one other). What effort does
> it take to provide an interface to program TV systems
> (PAL or NTSC) and basic operating frequencies or channel
> numbers via the region setting in control panel? When is
> this going to happen? Are thier hookes into the interface
> for this to be done. This is unlike Bob. What is up?
>
> SADman
>
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>>> Is the MCE Windows XP Professional + MCE or Windows XP
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Mike Brannigan [MSFT]
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> given MCE 2005 is now available to the SB channel, this doesnt make quite
> the sense it used to.
>
As a system build - you are the OEM and thus you must provide support for
systems you ship.
See your SB Licensing Agreement in the section on providing end user support
it states:-
"...
The System Builder who installs the individual software license or
distributes hardware units is responsible for providing end user support of
the product and must put the support phone number in the help files of the
PC itself or in the end-user documentation.
..."
So you build the device to a spec you are able to provide support on for the
hardware and OS.
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"Phil Taylor" <phi...@private-citizen-sorta.com> wrote in message
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> given MCE 2005 is now available to the SB channel, this doesnt make quite
> the sense it used to.
>
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Mike Brannigan [MSFT]
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>I agree Mike, except in the instance of Developing for Media Center. It's
> unreasonable to expect developers to develop in the XP Pro environment
> (because you would in a business for management of these computers) and
> then
> have to send the app off to some other machine to do intial tests on. I
> am
> sure MicroSoft Developers aren't set that way.
Actually as a developer you should know that testing an app on your dev
machine is not normally considered an acceptable test due to your machine
being tainted and possibly having additional components etc that you app
should install but you may have missed etc.
Obviously in the early stages of dev you do compile and test locally but as
you reach the later stages of the dev project you have to move to test
machines.
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"Daniel" <Dan...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>I agree Mike, except in the instance of Developing for Media Center. It's
> unreasonable to expect developers to develop in the XP Pro environment
> (because you would in a business for management of these computers) and
> then
> have to send the app off to some other machine to do intial tests on. I
> am
> sure MicroSoft Developers aren't set that way.
Daniel
re-writing) you need to test locally first, then to correctly test it, you
indeed send it to a "real" test machine. Our problem is because of this
setup, we can't do preliminary testing on the Developer's own machine.
Renato Moscardini
MCE 2005.
Yes, that totally right and it work fine. However, is that possible to
affect the TV mode (PAL, SECAM L/B/G) to the channel?
Because at this time I can only see PAL or SECAM L regarding the country
parameter and it is not possible to see SECAM - BG correctly (it is in
crappy black and white).
Regards
From a CH citizen
Renato Moscardini