Build 14.0.8050.1212 Quick View

[Gary H.]

Windows XP SP 3
Windows Live Mail Desktop Build 14.0.8050.1212 upgrade from version 12. No
other live programs installed.

Having a problem with Quick views using both the New mail view and the all
Inbox view.
First. Cannot delete messages from the quick view. Message remains and shows
as new until close and open Live Mail Desktop. After attempting to delete an
email Windows live mail desktop will not end with out going into task
manager and manually ending the wlmail process.

New mail will not appear in any quick view unless I have edited the registry
as per the following link and instructions The Field Guide Repairing
Windows Live Mail Quick Views Counter that I found in this newsgroup. New
messages will then appear in quick views the first time Windows live mail is
opened, however nothing after that first opening, unless of course the
search folders version registry entry is deleted again.

Tried the following.
Compact all files
Repair installation from the add remove programs list. Windows live
essentials. (three times actually)
Of course shut down and restart Windows.

Anyone have this or similar problem and discovered a solution?
Next step for me is a complete uninstall and reinstall.

Thanks for any and all help.
Gary H.

[Gary H.]

Found the problem underlying this situation.

Quick view for mail will not function correctly at all until the database
for all the unread news messages is completely rebuilt or indexed. not sure
of the correct term. Problem with Windows live mail 2009 or version 14 is
that this takes between one and two hours 10 messages at a time with a lot
of stopping, starting and hanging. Further, this happens not just once but
two to three times a day. Not using quick views at all is not a satisfactory
option for me so uninstalled and went back to version 12, 2008. Much faster
at this and only does an index once.

Wish there was a way to turn off using quick views for news and keep it for
mail only such as activate the grayed out show all news button in the quick
views settings box. Anyone know of a tweak yet to do this.

Of course the real solution in my mind would be to correct the problem of
constantly re-indexing the quick views or speed up the process a lot.

Thanks, Gary H.

"Gary H." <gha...@msn.com> wrote in message
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[Ildhund]

Gary, your experience is unusual, if not unique. There's been no
other post in this group describing anything like this. Writing
newly-downloaded message headers to the database takes a few seconds
on shut-down. Re-indexing (aka compacting) takes a little longer,
especially if there have been a lot of deletions and movements of
messages. Rebuilding Quick views happens on start-up and takes up to
a minute. This is with v. 14.0.8050.1202, which I suppose is the
same as yours despite what you write, also on XPSP3, with a database
approaching 300MB and a message store of perhaps 150,000 messages.

Either there is something fundamentally wrong with your installation
or there's something else interfering. To sort out the first of
these calls for a Scorched Earth clean install using Peter.R's
procedure at
http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!226.entry
The second could be something as simple as your AV or similar
program laboriously checking every little disk write, or some other
app you have installed that is not compatible with WLMail, or it
could be something more sinister like malware. Sounds like you've
got some troubleshooting to do.
--
Noel

"Gary H." <gha...@msn.com> wrote in message

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[D. Spencer Hines]

This certainly amounts to a WHOLE lot of TROUBLE...

See Below...

Meanwhile NO USEFUL WORK is getting done on that computer.

Some of you people here just want to PLAY with your software, ferreting out
new bugs, gaffes and omissions, rather than employing it for USEFUL WORK.

Why not just deep-six WLM and install Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 and save a
lot of grief?

Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 works beautifully, smoothly and cleverly...

I haven't found a substantive bug yet...

It is very POWERFUL...

With many OPTIONS...

And the Interface is not DUMBED-DOWN to the LCD.

It's a pity Microsoft can't build something to compete with it as the
front-end for an OS -- the email client and newsreader.

Just from a MARKETING POV Microsoft needs to DO that...

Build a WINDOWS LIVE EXPRESS.
--
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum

"Ildhund" <jn...@removemsn.com> wrote in message
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[Bill]

"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
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Pompous git!

[Charlie]

Isn't that the same as 'the tail wagging the dog?" or more generally
just "plain bad advice?" I have been a registered Agent user since
v1.93 and currently use Agent v1.42. To pass Agent off as an easy to
use app is total misrepresentation. As just one example (of many) the
filters mechanism and language in Agent (since v.99) is as unfriendly
and cryptic as ancient hieroglyphics. I sure would NOT say that Agent
(any version) "works beautifully, smoothly and cleverly..." because
it DOES NOT. Agent is written by geeks , for geeks, and is generally
lauded and touted by it's small but devoted geek user base. Agent
also still looks like the 1995 era app that it was born as. It's
butt-ugly and not a pleasure to see and visually associate with.

I DO AGREE with you that since v1.93 Agent has been very nearly a
perfectly running app.. that is, with all my criticism aside, it is a
faithful trooper, reliable and predictable. I use it everyday but
ONLY for it's yENC compatibility and for it's automatic multi-part
binary joining. I have over the past decade not had a single
performance issue with Agent. Agent is not user-friendly and the
filters are just one example. It's additions recently of 'desks',
'personas', and 'nested folders', has further relegated Agent forever
to the confines of 'geek software' and alienates it from all but true
'nerd heads'. It has a very steep learning curve. As such it has in
it's quest to be the end-all news / email client removed itself from
any mass appeal. It is needlessly complicated.
My $.02.

-ps posted with Windows Live Mail

Charlie

"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
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[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

STOP THE CROSSPOSTING TO OUTLOOK EXPRESS NEWSGROUPS, YOU IDIOTS!

[James Hogg]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:35:07 +1100, "Bill" <wi...@home.com>
wrote:

>"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
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<merciful snippage>

>Pompous git!

And a crossposting troll.

Here's an extract from a rant just posted in
soc.genealogy.medieval, another group that Hines is trying to
destroy:

"You are not going to convince Hines, for example, to change. He
has played this role of throwing grenades into peaceful groups
for a decade. He is not going to wake up one day, read a post
pointing out how inappropriate his behavior is, and say, "Oh,
yeah. I am acting like a jackass," and quit. He already knows he
is acting like a jackass - that is his intent. He gets so much
joy out of urinating on two groups to get them fighting with each
other that he doesn't even care if he ends up coated with it
himself. Long ago, he was a normal newsgroup participant, but
then he went off the rails, and the sickness has been around too
long now to be reversed. "
...
"His behavior has long ago placed him beyond dignifying with
response or engagement, as any thread he participates in
invariably decays into crossposted nonsense"

James

[msnews.microsoft.com]

So far, only been a day, the clean scorched earth install has taken care of
the problem. That and I did end up, through carelessness a bit, adding all
e-mail accounts and news accounts from scratch.

Thank you for the link to the directions and help. I appreciate it a lot

Gary H.

"Ildhund" <jn...@removemsn.com> wrote in message
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[...winston]

Not the person providing the link, but the person archiving and maintaining the link' site and content ....thanks for the feedback.
Glad to hear it worked, though I've yet to refer to it as the scorched earth approach..but it is quite thorogh and has served many
others quites successfully. Compliments again to Peter R. for allowing me to reference and modify a few lines of his earlier write
up.

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

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