Bouncing mail
Zach
that if "Delete and block" is pressed, the email is bounced, but there isn't
such an option anywhere in Windows Live Mail.
Zach
Bruce Hagen
messages. If it is a fake address, you will be bombarded with bounces of
your own showing up in your Inbox.
I never heard of Delete and Block.
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
"Zach" <x...@yy.zz> wrote in message
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Gary VanderMolen (MVP)
whether the 'From' address in that unwanted email is genuine.
Spammers often use the From address of an innocent third party
so that the spammer doesn't have to deal with the bounces.
'Bouncing' to an address you are not sure about is abuse and is
reportable to blacklisting agencies like SpamCop. It's like shooting
yourself in the foot.
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
"Zach" wrote in message news:e118A#YCLHA...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
Zach
Yes I do want to bounce back mail from a certain person.
In Windows Live Mail:
Tools -> Safety Options ->Blocked Senders -> read what it says at the bottom
of that page:
"When I click "Delete and block" (Checkbox) Bounce the blocked mail back to
the sender"
Now my question is, I do not have an option to click that is promped by
"Delete and block". Therefore my question is: How is it done??
Zach.
"Bruce Hagen" <B...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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R. C. White
Delete & Block shows up only SOMEtimes - and I can't make it appear on
demand. I see it most often on newsletters that offer to unsubscribe me.
If I click D&B, it works - but only as well as opening the mail and clicking
the unsubscribe box - in other words, it works sometimes, but not always.
We've discussed this at length in this newsgroup a few times, but not
recently and it has scrolled out of my current archives. The consensus
generally is to not use D&B. If you want to unsubscribe from a legitimate
mailing, open their latest newsletter and unsubscribe. If this is a
first-time unsolicited mailing from an unfamiliar source, just mark it Junk,
Delete it and forget it; it very well may be from a one-shot spammer who
will never try again, anyhow. If it does become a recurring nuisance, then
add it to your Blocked Senders list. Or, as Bruce suggested, create a Mail
Rule to Delete from Server (or Do Not Download from Server) - or add it to
your existing Delete from Server rule.
RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
r...@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64)
"Zach" <x...@yy.zz> wrote in message
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R. C. White
Oh, and I also get the Delete & Block option on those too-frequent emails
from Tiger Direct and Amazon, breathlessly announcing today's special
bargains. :^{
RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
r...@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64)
"R. C. White" <r...@grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:E6C7CF4E-5206-4BB2...@microsoft.com...
> Hi, Zach.
>
> Delete & Block shows up only SOMEtimes - and I can't make it appear on
> demand. I see it most often on newsletters that offer to unsubscribe me.
> If I click D&B, it works - but only as well as opening the mail and
> clicking the unsubscribe box - in other words, it works sometimes, but not
> always.
>
> We've discussed this at length in this newsgroup a few times, but not
> recently and it has scrolled out of my current archives. The consensus
> generally is to not use D&B. If you want to unsubscribe from a legitimate
> mailing, open their latest newsletter and unsubscribe. If this is a
> first-time unsolicited mailing from an unfamiliar source, just mark it
> Junk, Delete it and forget it; it very well may be from a one-shot spammer
> who will never try again, anyhow. If it does become a recurring nuisance,
> then add it to your Blocked Senders list. Or, as Bruce suggested, create
> a Mail Rule to Delete from Server (or Do Not Download from Server) - or
> add it to your existing Delete from Server rule.
>
> RC
>
N. Miller
> "Bruce Hagen" <B...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hutu62$pm9$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Zach" <x...@yy.zz> wrote in message
>> news:e118A%23YCLH...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> How is an unwanted email bounced in Windows Live Mail? It says somewhere
>>> that if "Delete and block" is pressed, the email is bounced, but there
>>> isn't such an option anywhere in Windows Live Mail.
>> Use a Delete It From Server message rule. You do not want to bounce
>> messages. If it is a fake address, you will be bombarded with bounces of
>> your own showing up in your Inbox.
>>
>> I never heard of Delete and Block.
> Yes I do want to bounce back mail from a certain person.
>
> In Windows Live Mail:
> Tools -> Safety Options ->Blocked Senders -> read what it says at the bottom
> of that page:
> "When I click "Delete and block" (Checkbox) Bounce the blocked mail back to
> the sender"
>
> Now my question is, I do not have an option to click that is promped by
> "Delete and block". Therefore my question is: How is it done??
I can't say because I have never tried it. As a mail server administrator
(hobby level), I know that once a domain gateway (MX) server as acknowledged
receipt to a mail agent, there is no reliable way to return (bounce) the
accepted email to the sender, so I do not try. Any MUA (Mail User Agent)
which offers to "bounce" email will be abused by users who think they know
what they are doing, but actually do not. Bruce's advice is best, just write
a rule to scrap the unwanted email.
--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
Zach
Zach.
T C
THE QUESTION DOES REMAIN THAT SEEM MICROSOFT ,YAHOO.AOLHELL, AND THE REST OF THE "SMARTGUYS" SOCIETY REFUSING TO ANSWER AND CLEARLY AVOIDING THE SUBJECT .
WHY ANY OF THESE "SMART TECHNOLOGY" ( YAH SMART) REFUSE TO EMBED BLOCKING IP ADRESSES SPAM SERVERS INSTEAD OF
NON EXISTENT MADE UP EMAIL ADRESSES ??
ISN'T THIS A INTENTIONAL EXPLOIT OF MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF UNSUSPECTED END USERS?
> On Friday, June 11, 2010 1:57 PM Zach wrote:
> How is an unwanted email bounced in Windows Live Mail? It says somewhere
> that if "Delete and block" is pressed, the email is bounced, but there is not
> such an option anywhere in Windows Live Mail.
>
> Zach
>> On Friday, June 11, 2010 2:10 PM Bruce Hagen wrote:
>> Use a Delete It From Server message rule. You do not want to bounce
>> messages. If it is a fake address, you will be bombarded with bounces of
>> your own showing up in your Inbox.
>>
>> I never heard of Delete and Block.
>> --
>> Bruce Hagen
>> MS-MVP [Mail]
>> Imperial Beach, CA
>>> On Friday, June 11, 2010 2:17 PM Gary VanderMolen \(MVP\) wrote:
>>> That option is not recommended since there is no way to ascertain
>>> whether the 'From' address in that unwanted email is genuine.
>>> Spammers often use the From address of an innocent third party
>>> so that the spammer does not have to deal with the bounces.
>>> 'Bouncing' to an address you are not sure about is abuse and is
>>> reportable to blacklisting agencies like SpamCop. it is like shooting
>>> yourself in the foot.
>>>
>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How is an unwanted email bounced in Windows Live Mail? It says somewhere
>>> that if "Delete and block" is pressed, the email is bounced, but there is not
>>> such an option anywhere in Windows Live Mail.
>>>
>>> Zach
>>>> On Friday, June 11, 2010 3:43 PM Zach wrote:
>>>> Yes I do want to bounce back mail from a certain person.
>>>>
>>>> In Windows Live Mail:
>>>> Tools -> Safety Options ->Blocked Senders -> read what it says at the bottom
>>>> of that page:
>>>> "When I click "Delete and block" (Checkbox) Bounce the blocked mail back to
>>>> the sender"
>>>>
>>>> Now my question is, I do not have an option to click that is promped by
>>>> "Delete and block". Therefore my question is: How is it done??
>>>>
>>>> Zach.
>>>>> On Tuesday, June 15, 2010 1:04 PM R. C. White wrote:
>>>>> Hi, Zach.
>>>>>
>>>>> Delete & Block shows up only SOMEtimes - and I cannot make it appear on
>>>>> demand. I see it most often on newsletters that offer to unsubscribe me.
>>>>> If I click D&B, it works - but only as well as opening the mail and clicking
>>>>> the unsubscribe box - in other words, it works sometimes, but not always.
>>>>>
>>>>> We've discussed this at length in this newsgroup a few times, but not
>>>>> recently and it has scrolled out of my current archives. The consensus
>>>>> generally is to not use D&B. If you want to unsubscribe from a legitimate
>>>>> mailing, open their latest newsletter and unsubscribe. If this is a
>>>>> first-time unsolicited mailing from an unfamiliar source, just mark it Junk,
>>>>> Delete it and forget it; it very well may be from a one-shot spammer who
>>>>> will never try again, anyhow. If it does become a recurring nuisance, then
>>>>> add it to your Blocked Senders list. Or, as Bruce suggested, create a Mail
>>>>> Rule to Delete from Server (or Do Not Download from Server) - or add it to
>>>>> your existing Delete from Server rule.
>>>>>
>>>>> RC
>>>>> --
>>>>> R. C. White, CPA
>>>>> San Marcos, TX
>>>>> r...@grandecom.net
>>>>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>>>>> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64)
>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 15, 2010 10:32 PM R. C. White wrote:
>>>>>> Oh, and I also get the Delete & Block option on those too-frequent emails
>>>>>> from Tiger Direct and Amazon, breathlessly announcing today's special
>>>>>> bargains. :^{
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RC
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> R. C. White, CPA
>>>>>> San Marcos, TX
>>>>>> r...@grandecom.net
>>>>>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>>>>>> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64)
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 16, 2010 10:02 AM N. Miller wrote:
>>>>>>> I cannot say because I have never tried it. As a mail server administrator
>>>>>>> (hobby level), I know that once a domain gateway (MX) server as acknowledged
>>>>>>> receipt to a mail agent, there is no reliable way to return (bounce) the
>>>>>>> accepted email to the sender, so I do not try. Any MUA (Mail User Agent)
>>>>>>> which offers to "bounce" email will be abused by users who think they know
>>>>>>> what they are doing, but actually do not. Bruce's advice is best, just write
>>>>>>> a rule to scrap the unwanted email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Norman
>>>>>>> ~Oh Lord, why have you come
>>>>>>> ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
Bruce Hagen
news:201194102...@terrranews.com...
>I have been annoyed by emails from russian online pharmacy and chinese
>internet fraudulant fake websites
>
> THE QUESTION DOES REMAIN THAT SEEM MICROSOFT ,YAHOO.AOLHELL, AND THE
> REST OF THE "SMARTGUYS" SOCIETY REFUSING TO ANSWER AND CLEARLY AVOIDING
> THE SUBJECT .
>
> WHY ANY OF THESE "SMART TECHNOLOGY" ( YAH SMART) REFUSE TO EMBED
> BLOCKING IP ADRESSES SPAM SERVERS INSTEAD OF
> NON EXISTENT MADE UP EMAIL ADRESSES ??
>
> ISN'T THIS A INTENTIONAL EXPLOIT OF MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF UNSUSPECTED
> END USERS?
>
If you didn't post your e-mail address in newsgroups for millions of
people to see, that might cut down on your spam.
Why IP banning is useless:
http://kalsey.com/2004/02/why_ip_banning_is_useless/
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010
Imperial Beach, CA
...winston
You'll probably get more spam from similar sources(pharmaceutical options
and products, fake web sites, malicious emails with intent to do harm, etc)
since those same sources are quite knowledgeable on obtaining email
addresses from public newsgroups (especially one like this that is archived
on other web sites).
Want to reduce your spam ? For starters antispam your From posting address
like your 'Reply To' address
--> Reply-To: B...@nospam.invalid
--
...winston
msft mvp mail
>
> "T C" wrote in message news:201194102...@terrranews.com...
N. Miller
> I have been annoyed by emails from russian online pharmacy and chinese
> internet fraudulant fake websites
You have done it backwards. You need to put the <B...@nospam.invalid> in the
"E-mail address:" filed of MSOE, and your actual email address in the "Reply
address:" field. The theory is that the spammers scrape the "E-mail
address:" in the NNTP overview, but not the "Reply address:". Check my
headers.
emma
as junk mail does not work for me. If you go to options then safety, then
blocked email you will see the people you block. There are two options at the
bottom. One is to bounce back the mail. I know it worked in two instances for
me, they were a little unhappy with me. It was for persons I did not want mail
from, not spammers.
...winston
Fyi...WLM 's only rule options for an incoming message are to:
- Move or copy to specified folder (which could be Junk or Deleted Items), delete, forward, highlight (color), flag, mark as read,
watched or ignored, reply, do not download from the email account server, delete from the server.
The bounce back (select all security option) is not necessarily a good tool for blocked senders especially when the blocked email
is the source of spam or in many cases junk mail since the sender is unlikely to have used their valid email address (i.e. the
sending address is fake/invalid/harvested/etc.). WLM also doesn't validate the domain (supposedly used/claim to be used by the
sender) matches with a mail host record at the sending domain, thus bounces effectively get sent blindly and in many cases to
nowhere.
- in the long run with 'bounce' enabled one may actually end up with some innocent person getting bounce email for messages they
never sent.
Thus, bounce, imo, is a waste of time (and if the email account is POP3 just use the move to folder, delete, or delete from server
rule).
--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps
"emma" wrote in message news:Q4WdnWGeHam7KuzM...@giganews.com...
Magnus
> Thus, bounce, imo, is a waste of time (and if the email account is POP3
> just use the move to folder, delete, or delete from server rule).
validates your email address with the sender, and onto all the active
spam lists you go...
In contrast, a true bounce would be made to appear as if it came from
your MSP marked as "undeliverable".
...winston
going to the spammer in some other location (e.g. Eastern Europe) its going to Mary Jane in Rhode Island.
--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps