WLM and Hotmail: Port 25 or 587?

[Sterling]

I was looking at the Window Live blog and saw a comment about switching the
Outgoing port from 25 to 587; Is this a good thing? Is it save?

http://windowslivewire.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!2F7EB29B42641D59!32413.entry
- See second post by JT.

I switched to Port 587 and the message was sent.

I'm getting an error message (see below) when I try to send/reply messages
using either DeltaSync or POP3 (I can receive messages).

Sterling

Server: 'smtp.live.com'
Windows Live Mail Error ID: 0x800CCC0E
Protocol: SMTP
Port: 25
Secure(SSL): Yes
Socket Error: 10060

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Windows XP SP3 (Media Center Edition)
IE8 RC 1
WLM '14' (Gmail POP3)
Windows Live OneCare

[Sterling]

Oh, okay, this PC Magazine article says Port 587 is good.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1838667,00.asp

Sterling

"Sterling" <Ster...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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[Michael Santovec]

Port 465 should also be useable.

In any case, it's simply a matter of both the server and the mail client
being able to support the same port. Safety isn't an issue.

If it works, you are fine.

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Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm

"Sterling" <Ster...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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[Sterling]

Hi Michael,

Thanks! I'm going to switch to port 465 as it's the same that Gmail suggests
(besides port 25).

I tried port 587 and it worked but will go with port 465.

Sterling

PS Thanks for replying my other post. I'm using the web ui of MS newsgroup
it's saying that there's an error in posting, so if that message doesn't
reach the newsgroup, please know that I tried and thank you for your reply.

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Windows XP (SP3) Media Center Edition
IE8 RC 1 (w/IE7Pro)

WLM ''14'' (Gmail POP3)
Windows Live OneCare

[Gary VanderMolen]

I think you'll find that smtp.live.com does not support port 465, but
be sure to let us know either way. The fact that Gmail supports it
is immaterial.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

"Sterling" <Ster...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:97E05210-5C60-4FF2...@microsoft.com...

[Sterling]

Hi Gary,

Thanks for the Gmail info regarding port 465. I switched from port 25 (the
default setup port) to port 587 and was able to send emails with Hotmail POP
(free account) but the sent message copy was not stored in Hotmail.

Then I tried port 465 and WLM "stuck" on "Connecting..." after a while, I
got an error message.

Sterling
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Subject 'TEST'

Server: 'smtp.live.com'
Windows Live Mail Error ID: 0x800CCC0E
Protocol: SMTP

Port: 465

Secure(SSL): Yes
Socket Error: 10060

[Gary VanderMolen]

Thanks for confirming that for smtp.live.com port 587 works, but port 465 doesn't.

Your sent copy is a separate issue, unrelated to the port number.

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Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

"Sterling" <Ster...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:730D5749-FEF2-4686...@microsoft.com...

[Sterling]

You're welcome Gary, and thanks for your assistance.

What I'm going now is sending a BCC along with replies so that I can move
that copy to the Sent folder in Hotmail (web ui). I was surprised to see that
there were no copies being saved. (Gmail saves a copy in its web ui when
using POP.)

Sterling

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Windows XP (SP3) Media Center Edition
IE8 RC 1 (w/IE7Pro)
WLM ''14'' (Gmail POP3)
Windows Live OneCare

[...winston]

Use of a pop3 protocol for Hotmail in WLM does not sync with the Hotmail server.
Sent, Drafts, Deleted, etc are only local in WLM. If you wish to have messages available in both places until deleted then do not
use pop3.

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...winston
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"Sterling" <Ster...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:730D5749-FEF2-4686...@microsoft.com...

[Sterling]

I see. I guess Live Hotmail would handle POP3 like Gmail, sent messages in
WLM are stored in Gmail's Sent folder.

DeltaSync did sync folders but if I deleted a message in WLM, it would also
delete in Hotmail.

Thanks winston,

Sterling

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Windows XP (SP3) Media Center Edition
IE8 RC 1 (w/IE7Pro)
WLM ''14'' (Gmail POP3)
Windows Live OneCare

[...winston]

No...sent messages in all pop3 accounts would only reside in that pop3 account's Sent items folder in WLM

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...winston
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"Sterling" <Ster...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:A7494A70-E3F3-43AA...@microsoft.com...

[Sterling]

Hi winston,

Sorry. I meant to say that I guessed Hotmail POP would work like Gmail POP
and store a copy of a WLM sent message in Hotmail web, like in Gmail web. Not
that a message sent with Hotmail POP would be placed in Gmail POP.

The only way I can keep a copy of a sent message with WLM Hotmail POP is by
sending me a BCC of the email to move to the Sent folder in Hotmail web.

Sterling

[...winston]

I understood. Hotmail Pop3 does not store sent messages like Gmail.
A pop account setup in WLM will have its own set of folders(including a Sent folder).
If you wish to keep a copy in the Hotmail web server sent folder then you've some additional effort to place on in that location.

You've other options.
- Create a separate DeltaSync Account in WLM for that same Hotmail email account and disable it from being included in a
send/receive, then routinely drag the 'important' sent messages from the pop3 sent items folder to the web accounts sent folder.
or
Keep you sent items local by copy/moving from the pop3 accounts folder to the user created folder in the storage folder.

Even with the above or your BCC approach..one would ultimately ask...if the intent is to use the web server as the repository for
backup and/or sent messages, then why not just use the Http account instead of Pop3

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...winston
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"Sterling" <Ster...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:BD1C65BC-0373-47B9...@microsoft.com...

[Sterling]

Hi winston,

Great. You understood :-) I sometimes tend to forget information and only
later realize I should have included, or compose a message in a way that
could have been better.

Thanks for the inactive DeltaSync tip! That sounds perfect :-)

I like POP over HTTP because when I read my messages in WLM, I delete them
and have WLM purge the messages at closing of the program. With HTTP, the
messages will be deleted on Hotmail web, I think. Everything I do in WLM is
"temporary", meaning nothing is stored. Storage is left on the web.

Thanks again for the suggestion,

[...winston]

Yes,
If you delete messages from an Http acount that is using DeltaSync(or the earlier and suprisingly still available WebDAV) the
message after synchronzation will be gone from the local store and the web server.

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...winston
ms-mvp mail

"Sterling" <Ster...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:63723A4C-15D0-4102...@microsoft.com...

[Sterling]

That's why I prefer POP or HTTP (and IMAP). I can delete a message in WLM and
still have a copy of it on the Web (If I set the account to work that way,
which I think IMAP can do the same).

Thanks winston,

Sterling

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Windows XP (SP3) Media Center Edition
IE8 RC 1 (w/IE7Pro)
WLM ''14'' (Gmail POP3)
Windows Live OneCare

[Sterling]

That's why I prefer POP or HTTP (and IMAP). I can delete a message in WLM and
still have a copy of it on the Web (If I set the account to work that way,
which I think IMAP can do the same).

Thanks winston,

Sterling

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Windows XP (SP3) Media Center Edition
IE8 RC 1 (w/IE7Pro)
WLM ''14'' (Gmail POP3)
Windows Live OneCare

[...winston]

In simplest form...
Pop pulls messages off the server unless the email client is configured to leave the original present.

DeltaSync downloads a copy of the message, leaving the original on the server intact until the user performs a subsequent
action(read, delete, move, etc)

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...winston
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"Sterling" <Ster...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:96D9DE34-940C-4FA5...@microsoft.com...

[Sterling]

I have Gmail POP configured to leave a message on its servers. I have to log
in to Gmail once in a while and delete messages I don't need anymore but I
don't mind do it. I think it was on Wikipedia that I read POP4 will include
features from IMAP.

[...winston]

Gmail functions slightly differently that say an isp web site.

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...winston
ms-mvp mail

"Sterling" <Ster...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:1D76A698-17F8-46E3...@microsoft.com...

[Sterling]

I see. I have my ISP's email with WLM POP but it uses different ports and
settings than those of Gmail POP.