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Gary VanderMolen

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Apr 28, 2007, 6:54:43 PM4/28/07
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I'm not a WLMD expert, but there is a peer support newsgroup:
microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop (cross-posted).

Gary VanderMolen

"Richard B" <rbilli...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:u4NzPTei...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I downloaded and installed WLMD (twice), but both times when I start it for the first time it gives me the following error
>message:
>
> "Windows Live Mail desktop could not be started because msmail.dll could not be initialized. Windows Live Mail desktop may not
> be installed correctly."
>
> I have installed it, uninstalled it, and reinstalled it. The message persists.
>
> Any hints on what to do next?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Richard..
>
> Gary VanderMolen wrote:
>> You may want to try the Windows Live Mail Desktop beta:
>> http://get.live.com/betas/maildesktop_betas
>> It supports the Hotmail HTTP protocol.
>>
>> Gary VanderMolen
>>
>> "Richard B" <rbilli...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:OTVdGqbi...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Okay, so Windows Mail does not support the Hotmail HTTP protocol. Surely, there must be an alternative way to get email
>>> downloaded on a Vista computer. Or are the engineers at Microsoft so daft stupid that they dropped this important portal
>>> without providing a backup?
>>>
>>> I am no big fan of HTTP email. I thought it was a stupid idea from the start. Another Microsoft attempt to create
>>> proprietary control over emails, when everyone else was using POP3. Now that they have given up on HTTP, how is one supposed
>>> to migrate to Vista when they have a Hotmail account?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>
>>> Richard..
>>>
>>> P.S. No I do not have the latest version of Outlook. I have Outlook 2000, which does not support HTTP and I am not going to
>>> upgrade any time soon. I have to use Outlook Express because it is the only program I know of that can access HTTP email.
>>

Richard B

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Apr 28, 2007, 7:13:24 PM4/28/07
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I was looking around for other solutions and ran across the comments
about Microsoft restricting access in certain situations.

Could the problem be caused because I am (or rather my mother is) a
paying Hotmail customer and I have activated the Windows Live access on
the web that I am now being blocked trying to use these other programs?

DGuess

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Apr 28, 2007, 8:04:16 PM4/28/07
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No it's because it's hosed the message store and uninstalling does not
remove any references to the old messages stores.

Uninstall WLMd.
Delete the HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail desktop
subkey

Since it's not run apparently, there's not need to move the message stores
to retain any e-mails.

Look in the Documents and Settings\<user account>\Local Settings\Application
Data\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail desktop and delete the folders in it.

Reboot

Reinstall.

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Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM

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Apr 28, 2007, 8:16:39 PM4/28/07
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"Richard B" <rbilli...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I was looking around for other solutions and ran across the comments about
>Microsoft restricting access in certain situations.
>
> Could the problem be caused because I am (or rather my mother is) a paying
> Hotmail customer and I have activated the Windows Live access on the web
> that I am now being blocked trying to use these other programs?


You first have to register the Hotmail address at Windows Live Mail

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
Do not send mail.

Richard B

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Apr 28, 2007, 9:49:45 PM4/28/07
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I thought I did that when I switched the web version from the old
Hotmail account over to the Windows Live Mail mail account. Now,
whenever I go to www.hotmail.com it takes me to Windows Live Mail.

Is there something else I need to do?

If so, where is this?

Richard..

Richard B

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Apr 28, 2007, 9:52:09 PM4/28/07
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Okay, I did everything but the Documents and Settings folders. I was
able to get the folders to appear. But when I attempt to open them I
get an "Access is Denied" error.

How do I get around this one? Haven't found the controls for this yet.

Richard..

DGuess

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Apr 28, 2007, 10:08:40 PM4/28/07
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Are you logged into that account?

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Richard B

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Apr 28, 2007, 10:18:08 PM4/28/07
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Yes, I am the administrator.

DGuess

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Apr 28, 2007, 10:23:09 PM4/28/07
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And you can't access that folder.
Right click on it and check permission on it. I thought this was your
mother's account?

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Richard B

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Apr 29, 2007, 8:03:35 AM4/29/07
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My mother is going to use the program, but I wanted to install it as the
administrator first to make sure everything works before giving it to
her to use as her regular email program. Right now she is still working
off of the old XP computer.

Okay, before I do something crazy here this is what is happening at the
permissions level.

First, I am the only account on this system that I can see and I am
setup as the administrator. Account name: Richard(Home\Richard)

I go to the "Documents and Settings" Properties and click on the
"Security" tab. I click on "Administrators (Home\Administrators)" and
all the items, except "Special permissions" is checked. The
Administrators already has "Full control". None of the items is marked
as "Deny".

Looking through the various buttons and tabs, I wonder if I should
rename my account to "Administrator" Would that change the response I
am getting?

Thanks,

Richard..

DGuess

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Apr 29, 2007, 1:24:47 PM4/29/07
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A couple of questions, has WLMd ever started? If it hasn't then there are no
e-mails to worry about saving and I would imagine the permissions is cause
of the problems.

If you've uninstalled, remove the reg subkeys, take control of the folders
and subfolder then delete them.

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Richard B

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Apr 29, 2007, 2:09:12 PM4/29/07
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Okay, I took control of the WLMd and deleted those folders. I then
downloaded the program again, just to be sure and reinstalled.
Everything seems to be working now.

Thanks,

Just one more question. I attempted to change my username to
"Administrator", but was warned told that the account already existed.

Where is it? When I go to the login screen, only my own account appears
and CTL-ALT-DLT does nothing. It doesn't bring up a login screen like
XP does.

How do I log into the "Administrator" account?

Thank you for your help.

Richard..

DGuess

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Apr 29, 2007, 2:17:05 PM4/29/07
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It's a hidden account. Do a search for similar and you'll find info on it.

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Richard B

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Apr 29, 2007, 9:40:16 PM4/29/07
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I'm finding all kinds of information on administrative accounts, but I
can't find anything about gaining access to the "Administrator" account
on my system. And the more I look around the more I learn I don't have
control over very much. I can't get access into some of the folders
under my own account.

Where do I go to make this hidden account appear?
Or where can I learn about making this hidden account appear?

Thanks,

Richard..

DGuess

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Apr 29, 2007, 9:59:39 PM4/29/07
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"Richard B" <rbilli...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I'm finding all kinds of information on administrative accounts, but I
> can't find anything about gaining access to the "Administrator" account on
> my system. And the more I look around the more I learn I don't have
> control over very much. I can't get access into some of the folders under
> my own account.
>
> Where do I go to make this hidden account appear?
> Or where can I learn about making this hidden account appear?
>

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Vista%27s+hidden+Administrator+account


Gary VanderMolen

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Apr 29, 2007, 10:14:33 PM4/29/07
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You are asking the wrong question. For your own good,
Microsoft hides the true Administrator account. What is it
that you are trying to do that requires full Administrator rights?
Identify the folders you don't have access to.

Gary VanderMolen

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Ray Herring

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Apr 30, 2007, 6:23:22 AM4/30/07
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Microsoft have tried to mimic how OS's such as Ubuntu are now working (i.e..
you can't su into the 'root' account and you can't login to it), all you can
do is temporarily elevate your privileges in order to do stuff as
administrator (much how 'sudo' works under Linux).

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> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:14:33 -0700, Gary VanderMolen wrote:
>
>> You are asking the wrong question. For your own good,
>> Microsoft hides the true Administrator account. What is it
>> that you are trying to do that requires full Administrator rights?
>> Identify the folders you don't have access to.
>

> Just a stupid question, but exactly who *owns* a computer with Windows
> Vista
> installed? I guess I will just add this to my list of reasons to not step
> up
> to Windows Vista.
>
> --
> Norman
> ~Oh Lord, why have you come
> ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

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