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jspats
Feb 8, 2010, 12:39:01 PM2/8/10
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I've already associated the .doc file type with Microsoft Word in the control
panel, but that hasn't helped. I've also gone under "set your default
programs" in the control panel, but I am not seeing any of the Microsoft
Works programs show up in the program list.
panel, but that hasn't helped. I've also gone under "set your default
programs" in the control panel, but I am not seeing any of the Microsoft
Works programs show up in the program list.
The error message I receive in Live Mail is "The file does not have a
program associated with it for performing this action. Please install a
program, or if one is already installed, create an association in the default
programs control panel."
I can open up the file if I save it to my disk first, but I cannot open it
from Live Mail. I have no problems with .xls or .pdf.
Using: Windows 7, Microsoft Live Mail, Microsoft Works Word Processor. New
computer.
Bruce Hagen
Feb 8, 2010, 12:45:13 PM2/8/10
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Save the attachment to your HDD. Right click on it and Open With | Choose
Program. Select MS Word and then check the box: Always use this program to
open this kind of file. This should enable you to open these attachments
in the future. You may need to reboot.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
Program. Select MS Word and then check the box: Always use this program to
open this kind of file. This should enable you to open these attachments
in the future. You may need to reboot.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
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...winston
Feb 8, 2010, 3:45:00 PM2/8/10
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Does your version of MS Works include Word or only the Works proprietary word processor.
--
...winston
ms-mvp mail
"jspats" <jsp...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D2DC69EC-916C-475B...@microsoft.com...
Gary VanderMolen [MVP]
Feb 8, 2010, 10:47:37 PM2/8/10
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Your statement is contradictory in that in one place you say you use
Word, and in another place you say you use the Works word processor.
If your copy of Works included Word, have a look at this article:
http://www.winhelponline.com/articles/232/1/Unable-to-open-DOC-attachments-from-Windows-Mail.html
That fix was developed for Windows Mail on Vista computers, but is also
known to work with Windows Live Mail on Vista computers. But I don't know
if the author has updated his fix so that it works in Windows 7.
--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
Microsoft MVP Program: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
"jspats" <jsp...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D2DC69EC-916C-475B...@microsoft.com...
Bob
Feb 8, 2010, 11:52:54 PM2/8/10
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Download and install OpenOffice, the open source (free) office suite.
www.openoffice.org
www.openoffice.org
"jspats" <jsp...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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...winston
Feb 9, 2010, 4:26:50 AM2/9/10
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Have we or anyone ever figured out why this breaks for some people and not others ....and why some can open doc/docx files in WM
and WLM in Vista and Win7 when Word is installed when WM(Vista) or WLM(Vista/Win7) are the default or not the default email clients
without breaking something ?
and WLM in Vista and Win7 when Word is installed when WM(Vista) or WLM(Vista/Win7) are the default or not the default email clients
without breaking something ?
--
...winston
ms-mvp mail
"Gary VanderMolen [MVP]" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message news:eJP4fqTq...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Gary VanderMolen [MVP]
Feb 9, 2010, 2:56:34 PM2/9/10
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No, I've never seen a logical explanation as to why this occurs.
--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
Microsoft MVP Program: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
"...winston" <winst...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:eY7IEoWq...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
DMorgan
Feb 9, 2010, 9:01:01 PM2/9/10
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I have the same issue with WLM. The only thing I can add is that if I log
onto my mail account at hotmail.com, I can open DOC file without any problem.
onto my mail account at hotmail.com, I can open DOC file without any problem.
"...winston" wrote:
> .
>
Gary VanderMolen [MVP]
Feb 10, 2010, 12:42:49 AM2/10/10
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So did you try the fix to which I posted a link?
--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
Microsoft MVP Program: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
"DMorgan" <DMo...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:FB2B2762-2C04-4BD1...@microsoft.com...
...winston
Feb 10, 2010, 4:34:12 PM2/10/10
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Slight difference...one is an interface accessed via IE, the other is not(local email client)
--
...winston
ms-mvp mail
"DMorgan" <DMo...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:FB2B2762-2C04-4BD1...@microsoft.com...
DMorgan
Feb 10, 2010, 6:05:02 PM2/10/10
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I attempted to install the fix but it would not run. It only works on Vista.
I am on Windows 7.
"Gary VanderMolen [MVP]" wrote:
> .
>
Gary VanderMolen [MVP]
Feb 10, 2010, 10:54:19 PM2/10/10
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Thanks for your response. Apparently the author of that fix has not yet
updated it for Windows 7.
--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
Microsoft MVP Program: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
"DMorgan" <DMo...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:F385F086-F209-46F9...@microsoft.com...
Allen
Mar 22, 2010, 4:49:01 AM3/22/10
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Do you know what the fix does? Surely this will tell us what is broken / the
cause of this problem. The fix still has not been updated and the problem
persists. Is anybody working on a logical purposeful solution?
cause of this problem. The fix still has not been updated and the problem
persists. Is anybody working on a logical purposeful solution?
Robert Aldwinckle
Mar 22, 2010, 11:36:23 AM3/22/10
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> Have we or anyone ever figured out why this breaks for some people and not
> others ....and why some can open doc/docx files in WM and WLM in Vista and
> Win7 when Word is installed when WM(Vista) or WLM(Vista/Win7) are the
> default or not the default email clients without breaking something ?
> others ....and why some can open doc/docx files in WM and WLM in Vista and
> Win7 when Word is installed when WM(Vista) or WLM(Vista/Win7) are the
> default or not the default email clients without breaking something ?
Any time I suggest a diagnosis I get ignored. Perhaps they can at least
just drag the attachment to wherever they think it should open? ; )
Robert
---
Gary VanderMolen [MVP]
Mar 22, 2010, 2:50:36 PM3/22/10
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The only suggestion I have is to contact the author:
http://www.winhelponline.com/pages/Contact-Us
http://www.winhelponline.com/pages/Contact-Us
If you get a response, kindly post the response here.
--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
Microsoft MVP program: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
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...winston
Mar 23, 2010, 4:39:36 AM3/23/10
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:)
I almost missed your(and Allen and Gary's response) in this month old thread.
I almost missed your(and Allen and Gary's response) in this month old thread.
--
...winston
ms-mvp mail
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Robert Blokker
Sep 15, 2011, 7:32:32 AM9/15/11
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I have the same problem using open office and live mail. As an alternative I downloaded Opera and run it parallel to Windows Live email. I discovered I do not have the problem using Opera and I?m pleasantly surpriced with the integrated functionality and the haslle free opening of the attachments in Openoffice.
> On Monday, February 08, 2010 12:39 PM jspats wrote:
> I have already associated the .doc file type with Microsoft Word in the control
> panel, but that has not helped. I have also gone under "set your default
>>>> s-from-Windows-Mail.html
>>>> default=20
>>>> Microsoft=20
>>>> a=20
>>>> default=20
>>>> open it=20
>>>> Processor. New=20
>>>>> On Monday, February 08, 2010 11:52 PM Bob wrote:
>>>>> Download and install OpenOffice, the open source (free) office suite.
>>>>> www.openoffice.org
>>>>>> ...winston
>>>>>> ms-mvp mail
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:56 PM Gary VanderMolen [MVP] wrote:
>>>>>>> No, I have never seen a logical explanation as to why this occurs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --=20
>>>>>>> WLM(Vista/Win7) are the default or not the default email clients=20
>>>>>>> http://www.winhelponline.com/articles/232/1/Unable-to-open-DOC-attachment=
>>>>>>> s-from-Windows-Mail.html
>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>> the control
>>>>>>> default
>>>>>>> Microsoft
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> install a
>>>>>>> the default
>>>>>>> open it
>>>>>>> Processor. New
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:01 PM DMorgan wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have the same issue with WLM. The only thing I can add is that if I log
>>>>>>>> onto my mail account at hotmail.com, I can open DOC file without any problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "...winston" wrote:
>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>> and not others ....and why some can open doc/docx files in WM=20
>>>>>>>>> WLM(Vista/Win7) are the default or not the default email clients=20
>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>> processor.
>>>>>>>>> http://www.winhelponline.com/articles/232/1/Unable-to-open-DOC-attachment=
>>>>>>>>> s-from-Windows-Mail.html
>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>> do not know
>>>>>>>>> the control
>>>>>>>>> default
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft
>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>> install a
>>>>>>>>> the default
>>>>>>>>> open it
>>>>>>>>> Processor. New
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:34 PM ...winston wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Slight difference...one is an interface accessed via IE, the other is not(local email client)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> ...winston
>>>>>>>>>> ms-mvp mail
>>>>>>>>>>>> I log=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> any problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>> and not others ....and why some can open doc/docx files in WM=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> WLM(Vista/Win7) are the default or not the default email clients=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>> processor.
>>>>>>>>>>>> article:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.winhelponline.com/articles/232/1/Unable-to-open-DOC-attachment=
>>>>>>>>>>>> s-from-Windows-Mail.html
>>>>>>>>>>>> is also
>>>>>>>>>>>> do not know
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the control
>>>>>>>>>>>> default
>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft
>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> install a
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the default
>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot open it
>>>>>>>>>>>> Processor. New
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 22, 2010 4:49 AM Allen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know what the fix does? Surely this will tell us what is broken / the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause of this problem. The fix still has not been updated and the problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>> persists. Is anybody working on a logical purposeful solution?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen [MVP]" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet
> On Monday, February 08, 2010 12:39 PM jspats wrote:
> I have already associated the .doc file type with Microsoft Word in the control
> panel, but that has not helped. I have also gone under "set your default
> programs" in the control panel, but I am not seeing any of the Microsoft
> Works programs show up in the program list.
>
> The error message I receive in Live Mail is "The file does not have a
> program associated with it for performing this action. Please install a
> program, or if one is already installed, create an association in the default
> programs control panel."
>
> I can open up the file if I save it to my disk first, but I cannot open it
> from Live Mail. I have no problems with .xls or .pdf.
>
> Using: Windows 7, Microsoft Live Mail, Microsoft Works Word Processor. New
> computer.
> Works programs show up in the program list.
>
> The error message I receive in Live Mail is "The file does not have a
> program associated with it for performing this action. Please install a
> program, or if one is already installed, create an association in the default
> programs control panel."
>
> I can open up the file if I save it to my disk first, but I cannot open it
> from Live Mail. I have no problems with .xls or .pdf.
>
> Using: Windows 7, Microsoft Live Mail, Microsoft Works Word Processor. New
> computer.
>> On Monday, February 08, 2010 12:45 PM Bruce Hagen wrote:
>> Save the attachment to your HDD. Right click on it and Open With | Choose
>> Program. Select MS Word and then check the box: Always use this program to
>> open this kind of file. This should enable you to open these attachments
>> in the future. You may need to reboot.
>> --
>> Bruce Hagen
>> MS-MVP [Mail]
>> Imperial Beach, CA
>> Save the attachment to your HDD. Right click on it and Open With | Choose
>> Program. Select MS Word and then check the box: Always use this program to
>> open this kind of file. This should enable you to open these attachments
>> in the future. You may need to reboot.
>> --
>> Bruce Hagen
>> MS-MVP [Mail]
>> Imperial Beach, CA
>>> On Monday, February 08, 2010 3:45 PM ...winston wrote:
>>> Does your version of MS Works include Word or only the Works proprietary word processor.
>>>
>>> --
>>> ...winston
>>> ms-mvp mail
>>> Does your version of MS Works include Word or only the Works proprietary word processor.
>>>
>>> --
>>> ...winston
>>> ms-mvp mail
>>>> On Monday, February 08, 2010 10:47 PM Gary VanderMolen [MVP] wrote:
>>>> Your statement is contradictory in that in one place you say you use
>>>> Word, and in another place you say you use the Works word processor.
>>>> If your copy of Works included Word, have a look at this article:
>>>> http://www.winhelponline.com/articles/232/1/Unable-to-open-DOC-attachment=
>>>> Your statement is contradictory in that in one place you say you use
>>>> Word, and in another place you say you use the Works word processor.
>>>> If your copy of Works included Word, have a look at this article:
>>>> s-from-Windows-Mail.html
>>>>
>>>> That fix was developed for Windows Mail on Vista computers, but is also
>>>> known to work with Windows Live Mail on Vista computers. But I do not =
>>>> That fix was developed for Windows Mail on Vista computers, but is also
>>>> know
>>>> if the author has updated his fix so that it works in Windows 7.
>>>>
>>>> --=20
>>>> if the author has updated his fix so that it works in Windows 7.
>>>>
>>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>>> Microsoft MVP Program: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> control=20
>>>> Microsoft MVP Program: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> default=20
>>>> Microsoft=20
>>>> a=20
>>>> default=20
>>>> open it=20
>>>> Processor. New=20
>>>>> On Monday, February 08, 2010 11:52 PM Bob wrote:
>>>>> Download and install OpenOffice, the open source (free) office suite.
>>>>> www.openoffice.org
>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 09, 2010 4:26 AM ...winston wrote:
>>>>>> Have we or anyone ever figured out why this breaks for some people and not others ....and why some can open doc/docx files in WM
>>>>>> and WLM in Vista and Win7 when Word is installed when WM(Vista) or WLM(Vista/Win7) are the default or not the default email clients
>>>>>> without breaking something ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Have we or anyone ever figured out why this breaks for some people and not others ....and why some can open doc/docx files in WM
>>>>>> and WLM in Vista and Win7 when Word is installed when WM(Vista) or WLM(Vista/Win7) are the default or not the default email clients
>>>>>> without breaking something ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...winston
>>>>>> ms-mvp mail
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:56 PM Gary VanderMolen [MVP] wrote:
>>>>>>> No, I have never seen a logical explanation as to why this occurs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --=20
>>>>>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>>>>>> Microsoft MVP Program: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not others ....and why some can open doc/docx files in WM=20
>>>>>>> Microsoft MVP Program: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WLM(Vista/Win7) are the default or not the default email clients=20
>>>>>>> http://www.winhelponline.com/articles/232/1/Unable-to-open-DOC-attachment=
>>>>>>> s-from-Windows-Mail.html
>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>> the control
>>>>>>> default
>>>>>>> Microsoft
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> install a
>>>>>>> the default
>>>>>>> open it
>>>>>>> Processor. New
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:01 PM DMorgan wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have the same issue with WLM. The only thing I can add is that if I log
>>>>>>>> onto my mail account at hotmail.com, I can open DOC file without any problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "...winston" wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:42 AM Gary VanderMolen [MVP] wrote:
>>>>>>>>> So did you try the fix to which I posted a link?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --=20
>>>>>>>>> So did you try the fix to which I posted a link?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft MVP Program: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> log=20
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft MVP Program: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>> and not others ....and why some can open doc/docx files in WM=20
>>>>>>>>> WLM(Vista/Win7) are the default or not the default email clients=20
>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>> processor.
>>>>>>>>> http://www.winhelponline.com/articles/232/1/Unable-to-open-DOC-attachment=
>>>>>>>>> s-from-Windows-Mail.html
>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>> do not know
>>>>>>>>> the control
>>>>>>>>> default
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft
>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>> install a
>>>>>>>>> the default
>>>>>>>>> open it
>>>>>>>>> Processor. New
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:34 PM ...winston wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Slight difference...one is an interface accessed via IE, the other is not(local email client)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> ...winston
>>>>>>>>>> ms-mvp mail
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:05 PM DMorgan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I attempted to install the fix but it would not run. It only works on Vista.
>>>>>>>>>>> I am on Windows 7.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen [MVP]" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I attempted to install the fix but it would not run. It only works on Vista.
>>>>>>>>>>> I am on Windows 7.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen [MVP]" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:54 PM Gary VanderMolen [MVP] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your response. Apparently the author of that fix has not yet
>>>>>>>>>>>> updated it for Windows 7.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your response. Apparently the author of that fix has not yet
>>>>>>>>>>>> updated it for Windows 7.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft MVP Program: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vista.=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft MVP Program: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I log=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> any problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>> and not others ....and why some can open doc/docx files in WM=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> WLM(Vista/Win7) are the default or not the default email clients=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>> processor.
>>>>>>>>>>>> article:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.winhelponline.com/articles/232/1/Unable-to-open-DOC-attachment=
>>>>>>>>>>>> s-from-Windows-Mail.html
>>>>>>>>>>>> is also
>>>>>>>>>>>> do not know
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the control
>>>>>>>>>>>> default
>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft
>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> install a
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the default
>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot open it
>>>>>>>>>>>> Processor. New
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 22, 2010 4:49 AM Allen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know what the fix does? Surely this will tell us what is broken / the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause of this problem. The fix still has not been updated and the problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>> persists. Is anybody working on a logical purposeful solution?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen [MVP]" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 22, 2010 11:36 AM Robert Aldwinckle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any time I suggest a diagnosis I get ignored. Perhaps they can at least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just drag the attachment to wherever they think it should open? ; )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any time I suggest a diagnosis I get ignored. Perhaps they can at least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just drag the attachment to wherever they think it should open? ; )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 22, 2010 2:50 PM Gary VanderMolen [MVP] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only suggestion I have is to contact the author:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.winhelponline.com/pages/Contact-Us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you get a response, kindly post the response here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only suggestion I have is to contact the author:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.winhelponline.com/pages/Contact-Us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you get a response, kindly post the response here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft MVP program: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> / the=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft MVP program: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet
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